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If there is one thing Nintendo cannot tolerate, it's people enjoying their products in ways that they did not specifically intend.
Or even in ways they did specifically intend, considering one of the main things Nintendo usually does when making a sequel is remove gameplay elements & content from earlier installments without replacing them with anything.
What about the smash community getting exposed for having p3dos and predators behind the scenes?
@l64bros19 every fighting community has pedos in it
@l64bros19 you mean like literally any and every franchise, company, organization? Nintendo is shitty, don't get me wrong, but pedos are way more common than the ones you see caught.
@@l64bros19that’s like every gaming/furry based community at this point lol 🤢
Nintendo has to be one of the most petty companies ever. Sometimes it feels like they don't just not care about their fans, but they actively hate them
Rivaled only by Ferrari
And yet everyone seems to adore them even though they rehash the same 4 properties over and over again. When was the last major unique IP from Nintendo that actually was any good redsteel for the Wii maybe? I can't think of any personally.
They'll actively try to kill the community and stop them from helping their popularity
@@insertgenericusernamehere2402 but they are highly successful IPs. So, can't really blame them for being stagnant on the new IP front.
@@insertgenericusernamehere2402 splatoon and xenoblade maybe. Idk I haven't either of these series but they're pretty big
This is insane when you consider Nintendo isn't even giving money to help fund any of these events. Goddamn the Smash scene can't catch a break with this company.
Why should they? The events should pay nintendo for using their games and equipment. Stop being privileged. Nintendo could easy shut this whole thing down. Besides the smash community has a lot of bad rep: pedophilia, drama, sexism and abuse by players. As a company I would never acknowledge a sport that has those problems.
@@FutureRules How much money do you think Smash is making and what is the price per ounce on the crack cocaine you must be on. Like you're going to appeal to archaic IP law and then blame a scene with no oversight precisely because we've been cast aside by the main developer? And who is privileged? You know tournaments do have to pay fees to license music that is on stream right? It has never been free. That was the whole Evo 2013 drama, and further issues were had with Smash 4/Ultimate because certain music cannot always be licensed so players/TOs have to avoid certain stages or songs. (Xenoblade, Sonic, Metal Gear Solid etc etc.)
We bleed out money to host tournaments as is, mainstay/popular tournaments can't even stay afloat in this economy broadly but especially with the decline of esports capital investments. God I hate that you can come in here sucking off the biggest abuser of the scene and then blame everyone else who just wanted to play as a cartoon fox and a fucking electric mouse...I'm just wondering why nobodies at the bottom are boot-licking these Nintendo executives (who couldn't care less about Intellectual Property btw they're just lawyers not actual devs or creators of the IPs) because at least they get paid to do this. You're just paying lip service to a corporation for free.
@@FutureRules That cooperate dck is so deep down your throat
@@FutureRules Most game devs/publishers would be salivating at the idea of a third-party funding events which increase their products' profile. It's free marketing and good PR. It's so valuable that many companies help advertising, funding and provide merch at the events to make it more successful.
Organisers of any public event have the responsibility to uphold a code of conduct. Failing that should reflect poorly on the organiser, not the game or its creators.
Overly cautious (or malicious) IP lawyers would agree with you but PR/marketing would gladly tell legal to STFU, lest everyone miss out on their Christmas bonus from the inevitable sales boost.
I agree. If Nintendo wants to get these people to play by their rules, they should throw these events a bit of money. Instead of them using the stick (that is, their lawyers), they should give them a bit of an incentive (i.e. the carrot), and promote the competition in some way.
It’s wild Nintendo can tell you how to run your own event. Imagine Home Depot telling you what to do with the wood it sells you.
It should absolutely be illegal
love how nintendo themselves ignore and don't do smash tournaments, but are also hell bent on ruining the community run events
'f you for doing these events but we won't be doing these events. Also, would you like to give us money?'
Nintendo hates that their games have a competitive community. They always targeted casual gaming and they get worked up at the existence of hardcore players.
They think Smash should be played with item and stage effects, Pokemon competitive needs to be double battle because of reasons and they will take this opinions to the grave.
@@giulioceresini1435because double battles are better for tournaments
Could you imagine waiting for a stall singles team to be over in a tournament as big as worlds
I don't regret at all not giving any money to Nintendo since the big copyright controversy last fall or whenever it was. They're such a nonsense company now. Their abusive handling of customer relations and their egregious exploitation with their mobile games is too much. If one is so inclined, everything you could get on a Switch can be found online or bought from a reseller store like Gamestop.
@@syan2240That's not the point. Nintendo shouldn't be able to decide that, the ruleset should be up to the community
Nintendo trying to act like a governing body for this is insane
JESUS IS LORD REPENT YOURSELF
VOILA LE SIGNE QUE TU A DEMANDÉ A DIEU !!!! ou pensez vous allez apres votre mort ? en enfer ou au paradie ? le SEUL moyen. cest en se repentant de ces pechés au segneur Jesus... Jesus a dit. je suis LE chemain , LA vie et LA veritée. et nul ne vien au pere que par moi. Jesus c est sacrifiée a la croix pour TOI. afain que tu puisse avoire le pardon de tes peches et aisin avoire acces au paradie.... fait cette prierre de repentance de tout ton coeur et fait la volontée de Dieu, et tu sera sauvée. ( segneur Jesus. je te demande pardon de tout mes pechés connue et inconnue. je t accepte comme mon sauveur et segnieur de ma vie. je remet ma vie entre tes mains. je croie dans mon coeur et mon ame, que tu es mort sur la croix pour nous sauver, et que Dieu t a ressucité le 3em jours. sil te plait aide moi maintenant que je me suis repentie. a changée mon mode de vie pour etre fidel a la volonté de Dieu amen..... si tu a fait cette priere de repentance de tout ton coeur. alor tu es sauvé. ton nom est ecrie dans le livre de vie de Dieu. maintenan. le seigneur a fait sa part. tu doit a ton tour vivre ta vie en etant en acord avec la volontée de Dieu. procure toi une bible. et comence a la lire a partire du nouveau testamant. l evangile de Jean. la marche a suivre y est ecrit jusqu a la fin de la sainte bible. soit benie abondaman, au nom de notre segnieur et sauveur Jesus christ. amen !
smash drama is pretty legendary, they don't want to be related to that.
It's not acting.
@@emikochan13 they wouldn't be related to it if they kept their hands off of it entirely.
@@emikochan13if that was the motive I think they'd be better off distancing themselves from Smash entirely
Gaming companies should legally not be allowed to have this power. I blame laws governing these companies just as much as these corporate cockroaches.
It's just the abuse of intellectual propriety that actually cripples and stunts innovation in every aspect of the economy.
Google the „right to repair“ movement.
Many similarities because in its core it’s about the question if you actually own things you buy. If so, you should have the right to use it how you want and repair it how you like.
@@Glenhh cant wait for laws concerning software ownership to kick in, the fact these companies dont even put the game on the disc you buy should be a crime and i think might actually be a crime
@@ZergS4uc3Not putting games on a disk is in no way a crime and would screw over so many other developers. Immediately PC games that run on Unreal Engine, Unity, etc. would then, by your definition, be illegal and the only legal games would be on consoles.
@@tac4y0n that might be the dumbest take on something physical should have an actual playable file on the disc, stop sniffing the corporate asses and maybe consider that they are sending our nothing to sit on store shelves where the average consumer wouldnt know that there is nothing on the discs anymore
How can they have so much power over how their product is used, its like the clothing company can decide where you are aloud to go wearing their clothes.
I ❤
imagine Gucci sending a Cease and Desist to some guy for streaming on Twitch wearing Gucci clothes, because "they didn't ask for a license to wear those clothes and make money"
It's not that they have control over the games/consoles... it's that they control the IP, which needs to be licensed if you are hosting a large event.
If you hold an event titled, "Harry Potter" and you have a bunch of Harry Potter crap... then you are making money off of an IP you don't own.
You can get away with small get together without licensing but once an event gets too big then you are stealing IP. Additionally, your event could damage the brand/IP being represented.
You claiming it's okay to use ninetendo/smash bros IP for an event without paying a licensing fee would be like Disney land creating a Mario Park without paying Ninentendo.
Now, Nintendo could be cool about imposing rules to those receiving licensing... but they aren't and unfortunately they are allowed to have stipulations for people using their IP.
If I licensed their IP... I can't then modify the character to have no clothes on for the event, as Ninentendo probs has a rule against that. In fact, "no game modicifcations" is a nice and easy way to ensure that without creating an infinite list of "do not add dildos to the playable characters".
Is short:
1) Events of all kinds need to license the IP they use at said events
2) companies can license IP to events WITH STIPULATIONS
3) Companies like to create simple/broad rules rather than list off do/dont.
4) They should create a list of allowed modification though... like no modifications to game used in the tournament, unless you wish to freeze the Pokémon stadium level. All other modifications disallowed.
@@jackdennis2748 It's just that it's a slippery slope when you are just using bought products from that company. What stops Microsoft or the hardware manufacturers and every one on the chain to start dictating what "their" products can be used for. There is a big difference using trademarked names and creating new products when you don't own it yes but when you are using the bought product and using it as it was intended then they should have no right to tell anyone that they can't do it.
@@jackdennis2748thank you
They should have absolutely zero control over a group of people getting together and deciding to play a game they own.
Not going to say I agree or disagree with it, but it's more about how their product is represented in media. Ferrari won't even sell their car to you unless you meet many requirements.
@@danielzhang5842 but Nintendo has already sold it, so what you do with your copy of a game is your business
@@koloblican11763 That's not how that works. Nintendo owns the intellectual property of the game they can act like this when it pertains to it being used in a public venue - private and public are two different things. Just because other companies choose not to what Nintendo does - doesn't mean that what there doing is against the law. Is it a scum bag thing to do? Obviously; not very good for customer relations.
Modding however when its distributed beyond it being private is something all companies have the ability to send cease and desists and even sue if they refused to do so. Most companies look the other way so as long as money is not being made of mods (or their IP in general) but when money is involved its all hands of and they go for it - with few weird exceptions here and there. Technically when you modify pre-existing code from their IP and upload it online you don't even 'legally' own it.
Nintendo is rather zealous in defending their IP because if you don't defend it as so, or at least appear to be doing that you can lose it. Imagine if they lost the IP to Mario because they allowed every Tom, Dick and Harry to do what they want with it. This is what is driving Nintendo to act the way they do.
@@SCMSD No that is exactly how it works, you bought and for a product and can use how ever the fuck you want, if ntindo has problem then they can just not sell the product.
@@SCMSD No. The product is already sold. They are not selling you the right to use the product. They are selling you THE product. Until the law changes and it is stated that they are selling you the right to USE the product, all of what Nintendo is duing is Bullying people with a lot of money and lobbying to make sure they can still bully people.
No one hates their own customers more than Nintendo. Not even Konami.
Cries in lack of new Castlevania games
EA would like to have a word with you.
Nah, Konami is on a whole other level. Nintendo may be annoyingly controlling over thier IPs, but Konomi is just straight-up The Devil.
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@@quintonposs3286Nono, EA care because they want to milk you of all your money. Nintendo don't care, they don't even need you
Getting sued by Nintendo is a rite of passage.
He wasn't sued.
Imagine if Wizards of the Coast tried putting guidelines like this on DnD, their community would legitimately riot.
They’ve done that several times actually I think. That’s why no one talks about some versions of the game anymore and they do talk about 5E, cause the rules were stricter in versions 2 and 4 if I remember correctly.
In my own ignorance, I think the main thing is literally that a videogame is played on a screen, thus making it a whole other deal legally. I remember reading that for example WoTC couldn't sue you over a CARD Magic the gathering event, but they could if you used the videogame in the event. Weird thing about something on a screen actually making a difference legally, someone with actual legal knowledge could correct me
HAHA, YEAH, "IMAGINE"....................... sigh
(context for those not in the know: several months ago WotC pulled some shit by changing the Open Gaming License which allowed 3rd parties to create content using the DnD system and tried to essentially make new modified one with harsher stipulations on how much revenue said content creators were allowed to receive, while also trying to legally invalidate the previous OGL by threatening lawsuit to anyone who tried to maintain content for the previous system)
Crazy thing is, they did Hasbro and Nintendo have a lot in common lmao
Just for clarification, Ludwig misread that clause about organizers. He thought it was talking about how much organizers are allowed to make it was actually about how much prize money organizers are allowed to GIVE over a year long period. In another clause, they say organizers are not allowed to make money from the tournament that exceeds the costs to run it
Can part of that cost to run the event be a salary for the TO's? That would seem to make sense and a way to get paid for their work.
Ludwig's reading comprehension strikes again
Does that mean this Ludwig Guy looks idiot but actually idiot?
Someone needs to take them To court over this. If I buy a game, it's mine. I own it, the only thing u can't do is resell it
They are making it seem like we are just being leased tge product. This is ridiculous
@@ljeans531not sure many people have the money to take Nintendo to court.
I can’t believe Nintendo sued Ludwig for being bad at the Watermelon Game :(
this has really been bothering me one side of his mustache is longer or jus me? one side look like hulk hogan.. yea one side way longer -fp
@@frameperfectoh shit your right
I’m pretty sure it’s just Mr. Mogul Mail that got sued, not Ludwig Ahgren.
Deserved honestly.
He's just that bad.
Imagine suing someone for bringing more attention to your game.
This is Nintendo we're talking about here. Their own name alone IS their advertising. They can bring as much attention as they want. They're one of the highest-grossing entertainment companies in the world. Hope that puts this more into perspective.
These Ludwig + Mogul Mail collabs are my favorite, wish they would both go on camera together 😔
Dude, remember when Nintendo copyrighted that one video where it was just music and everyone shared their life stories? Those were the days dude. I miss that video...
I don't know what you're referencing. Is this a ludwig vid?
@@nuttm3ggnope, i belive it was a Donkey Kong OST Video, man i really miss that
@TinyBaloonzMT that's right they did take down a bunch of music "videos"
search "internet checkpoint oxijinn" and you'll find a new version which will probably get taken down eventually but it's there for now
Internet checkpoint
Nintendo never fails to ruin their reputation
You can't ruin what you don't have
@andreialeksandrov77 you beat me to it
its crazy that they think they get expendable 'reputation points' whenever they release a good game or do something decent. who tf is going to think ' ah this suing shit sucks but at least they released a banger mario game' like bro
yet people keep buying it.
@@darksahdeCritikal actually said this. That he is so mad that Nintendo makes good quality games but that they make these awful decisions.
Fun fact: anyone can be cease and desisted for any reason. It's just a notice of possible legal action, the cease and desist itself has no ability to enforce anything other than through intimidation unless sent by a court itself regarding actual illegal action.
It is for this reason right here that, if for some reason in the future I end up doing something that pisses off nintendo enough to send me a C&D (however unlikely that scenario may be), i'll just send it right back to them along with a photo of my bare-naked ass and my middle finger. No one should have to negotiate with bullies.
Nintendo: This thing goes into effect in the middle of November, also we're not affiliated with you but we'll politically govern your entire event.
Also Nintendo: *sues Ludwig months before they even showed these new rules that don't actually even exist yet*
They’ve always hated game modifications, even before these guidelines were released. That’s what led them to take down Riptide and The Big House. The guidelines mentioning game mods are more a restatement of that than an attempt to lay down completely new ground. Nintendo has, after all, always seen mods as essentially illegal.
@@scatmanbutwithanc684 They also have a song that directly originated from an EarthBound ROM hack (Megalovania) in the game itself. It's ridiculously ironic.
Nintendo is essentially given the legal right to control how their IP is presented, including (and perhaps especially) "public performances" like tournaments that are hosted and broadcasted before large numbers of people. Essentially, all community-run tournaments for every game are in a legal grey area, so it's not "making up" rules per se. Nintendo, however, seems to be one of the few companies that is willing to be THIS intent on controlling every single aspect of it, and it's disheartening to see how much their desire for dominance has stifled fan enjoyment of their games in the process.
@@scatmanbutwithanc684 your face the moment you find out this rule ALWAYS existed in international / US copyright and trademark law
Japanese companies abusing their shitty, antiquated copyright laws will never not be absolutely disgusting.
And sadly the situation with japanese copyright law is only getting worse and more draconian. In fact they are on the verge of destroying 20,000+ pieces of film media simply because nobody owns the copyrights for them anymore.
Not to defend Nintendo fuck em but American companies are just as bad. Look at YT not even allowing cursing
Not sure how as a Japanese company, enforce those same laws in the United States unless they both have similar laws?
@@infinitedepression4508 trade agreements and national diplomacy, tho the USA is usually the one forcing other countries to comply with its copyright laws. for example if japan wants the usa to protect it from percived chinese agression, then japan better do what the usa wants it to do. tho usually japan is a powerful partner who can leverage stuff from the us too. and since the US is so influenced by corporations and big money, then IP laws tend to be a thing the US incorporates into its trade deals with other countries.
@@infinitedepression4508Nintendo is a Japanese company, but they have American offices incorporated in America. So it would be quite easy for them to sue someone in American court, and then it's you versus a multimillion dollar company with some of the best lawyers money can buy.
Nintendos unofficial motto "no no, you're having fun wrong"
Forgot to mention some of the biggest threats,
No sponsorships allowed.
No use of any images of copyright words or character pictures (can't use icons for character selection, smash in any names etc)
The no mods includes fixes like ucf.
No organization can have total prizes more than 10k per year.
This list is crazy, and hurts the scene so much.
bro has gotten so good at making a video, giving all info about the video in the first 2 minutes and then somehow dragging it out for the remainder of the video
It's like Nintendo sees how much ppl hate them and actively tries to find ways to try to make their reputation even worse than it already is.
I feel like every time the Nintendo game developers drop a banger game, the Nintendo lawyers are required to pull some bullshit like this, as if to keep the general reputation of the company neutral
During the Wii U era I was always _this close_ to getting one for the games, but then they either pulled some legal shit or they put some inane restriction that made no sense.
Switch era? Joycon Drift and how they've gone through 3.5 (.5 is non-hack non-redbox, lasted only a month, priorities) Switch revisions with zero efforts to fix. Single issue before I considered anything.
Nintendo needs to do this to keep the extremely toxic Smash community in line.
Yes using mods is very toxic sir isn't it@@houragents5490
Their games aren’t sure-fire bangers either, at least not nowadays - in the past decade or so Nintendo games have started to alternate between hits and misses, so that redeeming quality is gone as well. Now Nintendo’s reputation is worsened by its legal team, and its games aren’t good enough on average to balance it out - they’re slipping into purely negative territory by now.
@@houragents5490 nice bait
the smash community is lucky to have a ludwig in the scene. please never stop supporting the game
Yeah I hope Nintendo gets their act together their games are fire
I wonder what he will think about the smash community for having p3dos and predators behind the scenes
@@l64bros19 What do Catholic Christians think about the Pope and the priests?
They are lucky to have someone who is trying to profit from another companies product?? lmfao
@@l64bros19 you mean in Ultimate the game he doesn't play?
that leffen cody set was sooo hype! Also the part at 3:40 reads more like "as organizer you cannot pay out more than 10k per year in total for such tournaments" rather than "you as organizer can only make 10k through it in a 12 month period"
If Ludwig did this it would have been an accident. Unfortunately this happened to Mogul Mail.
JESUS IS LORD REPENT YOURSELF
VOILA LE SIGNE QUE TU A DEMANDÉ A DIEU !!!! ou pensez vous allez apres votre mort ? en enfer ou au paradie ? le SEUL moyen. cest en se repentant de ces pechés au segneur Jesus... Jesus a dit. je suis LE chemain , LA vie et LA veritée. et nul ne vien au pere que par moi. Jesus c est sacrifiée a la croix pour TOI. afain que tu puisse avoire le pardon de tes peches et aisin avoire acces au paradie.... fait cette prierre de repentance de tout ton coeur et fait la volontée de Dieu, et tu sera sauvée. ( segneur Jesus. je te demande pardon de tout mes pechés connue et inconnue. je t accepte comme mon sauveur et segnieur de ma vie. je remet ma vie entre tes mains. je croie dans mon coeur et mon ame, que tu es mort sur la croix pour nous sauver, et que Dieu t a ressucité le 3em jours. sil te plait aide moi maintenant que je me suis repentie. a changée mon mode de vie pour etre fidel a la volonté de Dieu amen..... si tu a fait cette priere de repentance de tout ton coeur. alor tu es sauvé. ton nom est ecrie dans le livre de vie de Dieu. maintenan. le seigneur a fait sa part. tu doit a ton tour vivre ta vie en etant en acord avec la volontée de Dieu. procure toi une bible. et comence a la lire a partire du nouveau testamant. l evangile de Jean. la marche a suivre y est ecrit jusqu a la fin de la sainte bible. soit benie abondaman, au nom de notre segnieur et sauveur Jesus christ. amen !
Ludwig died on stream months ago. Mogul Mail killed him
Ludwig never existed
Ludwig is a myth
Ludwig is an urban legend
When Nintendo complains about a game that hasn't been sold for about 15 years(ish) being modified.
Gotta love how protective they are over stuff they supposedly "don't care about" anymore when they stop selling it and have no way to make a profit for it themselves, but will send C&D's over it anyways.
I get this sentiment philosophically, but as I understand it, Nintendo asked them to run Unfrozen Stadium and he did. All this 'screw nintendo' talk is legacy hate right, it can't be actually caring about 'Ludwig had to run Unfrozen Stadium' right?
@@harpot678Why do you want the corporation that keeps stomping on their fans to be in the right or are you just a debate fetishist
@@harpot678 stadium being unfrozen is one of the most annoying things in melee that causes a lack of competitive integrity in the stage. this is even worse when you know that there are extremely few viable stages competitively in melee.
@harpot6788 Like did you watch the video do you participate in the communities affected do you know anything about anything or did you think your asanine opinion is important enough that people should consider it. Grow up.
They have to be protective over all their IPs unless they want to lose the copyright of every character within those games because Japan is archaic in terms of copyright law.
In regards to the map determining the winner, they both played the same character in the clip and I personally think the ability to adapt to stage changes shouldn't be overlooked.
The characters didn't matter there. The stage transition put a barrier between the players causing one player who had an absolute advantage to suddenly return to neutral and allowing the opponent to reverse the situation without any skill interaction between the players.
Random hazards and stage transitions in this co text aren't necessarily disliked because certain characters gain advantage, but thay it adds random elements to the game which detract from the game normally determined by pure skill.
i admire melee players dedication to the game
makes me wish i had the reflexes/ reaction time necessary to join in
I don't understand how you can purchase a product, own it, and then a company can tell you how to use it
Because copyright law fucking sucks.
Ferrari moment.
@@biodudezerothree9236true
welcome to capitalism
Yeah unfortunately we don't very much in the modern day. I try my best to avoid the obvious (stuff that's outright rented, or plainly stated lack of ownership), but it seems I can't even rely on fully purchased products having consumer freedoms. What a joke.
It blows my mind that Nintendo is able to legally strong arm people like this
It's just insane how out of date intellectual property law is. We need something that wasn't written by people old enough to have invested in the beginning of the internet.
well they aren't. they can send out whatever they want to whoever they want. its an intimidation tactic.
why? if you don't like it you don't have to use their games.
Right now copyright law in Japan is every company's wet dream since Fair Use doesn't exist there. They'd claim it's their culture to not have apply fair use but use it as an excuse to strong arm people legally to get as much money as they can from people
@@emikochan13Dont ride nintendo bro 😭
"You're having fun wrong" - Nintendo at every possible opportunity.
The fact that Nintendo has been getting away with this and hasn't been attacked by third parties on other peoples behalf boggles the mind, just thinking of that time when homebrew became a common thing for your Playstation, and they decided to file legal action against the person doing it to which anonymous went after them causing major damage to their company, most likely waning on the side of caution, cause if they can slap a few youtubers around without destroying their life and not get picked up on Anon's radar then it's safer for them
It shouldn't boggle your mind though; this is how capitalism is technically designed to work. You don't have more lawyer-bucks than me? That's fine! I'll just draw out any suits against me in court until you're forced to drop it! Meanwhile I can sue you for anything I want and I will never lose unless you are also a corporation on a comparable scale to me!
Imagine buying something and then being told by the person you bought it from how you're allowed to use it. Crazy.
A bit of an oversimplification. I feel like ip has a little more nuance, but it's still incredibly frustrating seeing Nintendo actively cracking down on smash for seemingly no reason when there are other (relatively) thriving eSports scenes out there
@@VishnuKumar-nt5oy I agree. There is nuance.
@@VishnuKumar-nt5oyIP may have nuance but none of that nuance makes Nintendo look good. They should straight up not have the right to dictate these things. It's anti-consumer.
Consumer protection legislation needs to be passed to put them in their place.
You can modify your game any way you like. The problem was he was using a modified game for a commercial public event. That's why Nintendo had legal control over it.
@@kirbyjoe7484 why should that be a problem though. Can the case be made that a company needs these rights over use of their product in tournaments?
Maybe the case can be made but I'd love to hear it.
the same way that foreign companies evade US laws frequently, we should be able to say “no, don’t care” and do it anyway with no consequences like being sued.
You can if you just have the tournaments in countries that think Japan sucks.. and a lot do
Nintendo is also an American company, though.....
@@bh_quicksilver251 Nintendo is based, was created, and is located in Japan.
@@R.U.E.Entertainment you should do some research before being so confident. They have an entire American company. It's called, wait for it, Nintendo of America.
@@bh_quicksilver251 oh no i misread your comment! i thought it said "Nintendo is an American company" and I interpreted it as “nintendo was made in America” not “Nintendo is *also* an american company” and was also established in US, my bad!
I would have to imagine events in Japan would get approved faster than events anywhere else. Just seems like a very Nintendo thing to do
On showing / sharing the official paperwork and removing the adress: you can use filters on gimp or photoshop to make grey text (or watermark in the background) disappear by using filters or manipulating color. Reducing contrast or adjusting the brightness/contrast curves in gimp might work.
I can't believe we still have to deal with this. I dream of a day where they would just leave us alone.
they'll leave you alone if you stop playing their games :D
Nintendo has lost me as a customer. I used to love their games, and I still do, but I won’t buy their systems or games. I still support the streamers I like that play their games, but Nintendo gets none of my money. I wish people weren’t total sheeps for this company giving them all their savings when they constantly spit on us.
why are you so surprised? this happens because the community is so willing to bow down to anything nintendo says, that even when nintendo is screwing them over, they will still defend it to their dying breaths.
@@emikochan13 that's what I think so
@@marcosdhelenothat isn't even close to the truth. You are offloading the responsibility for Nintendo's shitty actions onto random fan boys.
Correction: in the section about the $10,000 amount, that's not how much TO's are able to make, it is how much prize pool they can give out in a year.
Because the TO can only make $0.
@@undine120 frfr
@@undine120 unironically, tho, they are "non-profit events" so you are literally not allowed to make money, at some point in the rules it also says stuff about having to return admission fees, if they cover more than the costs of putting the tournament together :(
@@Hikaru1468Even non-profit employees and owners are allowed to make a living wage. So the extreme rules against paying anyone for anything are just Nintendo being Nintendo. There's absolutely no reason casters shouldn't get a wage for casting and all the other bs. If the organizer spent 20 hours prep for the event, and at then end he had $400 extra from entry fees, who cares.
@@DaTimmeh true
Mango the GOAT speaking nothing but facts at the end
Nintendo really be acting like one tournament is gonna put them out of business
My concern is that they were tournaments in Japan that got accepted, and Nintendo is very famous for preferring their Japanese audience
that's what I was thinking. I feel like it would be completely different for Australians, or maybe even Europeans
Well, that's fine then. Japanese are getting older by the day so they can have the crumbs of Japanese audiences until they become irrelevant in the West.
it's probably because japanese people are more reserved, so less likely to make nintendo look bad.
@@DerpngI would not generalize the whole population but id say its more stagnant within their society
@Edgyptian nobody said it's the rest of Japan. It's most of them actually even going so far to say they hate and if they can reject tourism when it's their biggest economy booster. They're naturally xenophobic that's why it's hell to live there as a foreigner (aka anyone who doesn't look Japanese)
I'm amazed how a company can just prevent people from enjoying their game for any minute reason that tickles their fancy
blame international copyright and trademark law for this.
People forget how evil Nintendo is until they can't any more.
I've learned that part of becoming a nintendo-free gamer is being shocked at just how many people are so willfully ignorant to nintendo's anti-consumer practices over the decades. Just the sheer AMOUNT of people who don't care because it doesn't affect them. It's sad and sickening, it's enough to put a pit in one's stomach. Did you that a long time ago Nintendo lobbied their OWN GOVERNMENT to BAN the practice of RENTING VIDEOGAMES in Japan??? They tried to pull the same shit with Blockbuster back in the 90s/80s(?) but to no avail!
Chapters (powered by ChapterIt):
0:00 - Introduction
0:09 - Getting Sued by Nintendo
1:00 - Modifying the Game
2:09 - Nintendo's Guidelines
3:01 - Community Tournaments
3:33 - Rules for Large Events
5:12 - Nintendo's Rules
6:11 - Getting Permission from Nintendo
7:38 - Nintendo's Control over Events
8:28 - Approval Process in Japan
9:31 - The Impact on the Smash Community
I’m DEFINITELY NOT going to pirate Mario wonder and every other upcoming Nintendo game. That would be immoral and wrong! I definitely won’t jailbreak my switch and use mods to get every switch game for free, that would be thievery!
yep! no way im pirating the paper mario thousand year door game when it happens!
@@ToxieDrop that would harm nintendos profits! We wouldn’t want that!
The nintendo ninjas are coming
@@YourAverageSpelunker why would they? they're clearly doing nothing wrong!
I'm definitely not going to break into your home and take everything that isn't nailed down. That would be thievery. On an unrelated note, you just won a $1000 grand prize, but we need you to provide your mailing address to deliver the check.
I don’t see this turning out well for major tournaments. Nintendo can easily hand out their licenses for locals, but i feel like all of the majors will get their applications ghosted, or be given the licenses, only for the tourney to be cancelled last minute. I have no faith in nintendo to do this properly since they are always trying to fuck us over whenever they can.
Hard agree, there's so much historical evidence where tournaments have been screwed by Nintendo.
There's no reason to trust them now, they don't deserve the benefit of the doubt when there's not enough evidence to show they're willing to align their goals with ours.
If they were doing this in good faith, they wouldn't need to do this in the first place. They could just leave us alone or build their own events.
This is the frog being boiled slowly so it doesn't realize it's being cooked.
that's what happens when the fanbase is so cucked, they will bow down and accept anything, even when it makes absolutely no sense.
nintendo has no right to cancel a tournament. but, because the community is so afraid of saying no to anything nintendo does, they got to this situation.
i still remember a few years ago when nintendo was the only company taxing streamers, and even blocking streamers rights to stream their games based on "raisins". and the community was all "but nintendo is right, we do have to pay to to stream their games".
even though no other company did it, and those that did, got a facefull of laughter. but nintendo fanboys will fan hard.
@@marcosdhelenoyou're completely out of touch with this bro. Nintendo is notoriously litigious. It's easy to sit there and pretend like you know what it's like to be sued by a a multimillion dollar company with an entire team of lawyers who get paid to do Nintendos bidding
@@marcosdheleno Which community? The general nintendo player community? Sure, but as you said, nintendo fanboys will fan hard. They're nuts, and there's no talking reason to them. Like you said, they genuinely side with NIntendo on their copyright stances. I've even seen them support Nintendo taking down a FTP mod of Majora's Mask a few years back.
But if you're talking about the melee community? Not even close to true. Almost all of the major tournaments that have been canceled have only done so under the threat of legal action, either through official correspondence or docs like C&Ds. There're few options for the TOs at that point, and the majority of melee community leaders have been openly critical of Nintendo since time immemorial
@@marcosdheleno"bow down" and "being forced to bow under the full financial might of Nintendo's legal team" are very different things indeed.
Oh hey i have been studying IP in gaming and have a essay due in January.
Been thinking on writing on the topic of changing aspects of games.
thank Nintendo for giving you someone to shit on
You can tell in the thumbnail he’s thinking “Mama Mia,” as a certain undisclosed Italian plumber would say.
Ludwig, the regulation said that an organizer can't hold tournaments where the TOTAL prize pool in a 12 month period is over $10k, preventing an organizer from just holding a bunch of smaller tournaments as a workaround to the &5k guideline. It doesn't restrict the income of the organizer themself
Man Ludwin would never get sued by Nontendo
Nontendo, more like No tendies
If Ludwin gave nontendo some tendies Mogul Mail would've been saved@@Yewtewba
dude you wont believe this
nontendo
i bet it was ludwig that snitched on MM
you gotta do a fast and furious situation where you do underground events that nintendo can't find out about until it's over
NO, you didn't get SUED... you got a letter threatening they MIGHT take legal action.
He chose that title because it would get more clicks.
@@MK8MasterJunjieYeah, it's just a lousy clickbait video anyway
You must be fun at parties
@@HardnerPL nothing personal, we're just telling the truth.
Besides, I would love to see what Ludwigs opinion on the smash community for having p3dos and predators behind the scenes is cuz it sure looks like he supports a community that does that terrible stuff
You need to do a Smash charity event just to test if Nintendo will shut it down
you could be terminally ill and running it to save puppies , they'd still shut you down
I mean they shut down the joycon charity thing because they called them joycons
as much as i agree, a game isn’t worth risking a lawsuit from such a large company
I'm just imagining somebody doing it for child cancer patients. Getting shut down and then making a CZcams video with a click bait thumbnail to get people to watch.
And to be honest, I would share it everywhere. Just to send a message to them.
Probably not because the smash community itself is toxic as hell
I never imagined Mr. Mail would get struck by Mario
Me personally, I hate freezing Stadium, and your tournament highlighted why, cause that ending was HYPE as hell
I don't understand how can Nintendo impose these rules on games that aren't being printed anymore. And if they can do it and noone jumps in to block this shit, I fear that all other companies will jump on the bandwagon to mess with tournaments of their games.
we need to hire a lawyer
8:55 No, they crossed the line where Nintendo are telling other people how to play their game. They made the game, they sold the game, and that's it. They're done. This is ridiculous corporate overreach, and should not be acceptable.
I find it unfortunate that, even as a fan of their IP, i now find it impossible to have a conversation about Nintendo without getting heated about what a scummy company they are 🙃
Eh, I love Nintendo and while they could be more chill I simply see it as them protecting what is theirs. People always forget Nintendo isn’t their buddy and doesn’t have to Bend over for them
Dude same. Imagine making a successful game that everyone enjoys and then going after people for it...
@@capellozapellini6074they aren’t protecting shit, they’re actively trying to stomp it out. Melee is only out there garnering popularity for them because of the tournaments they have been shitty towards at every juncture.
@@capellozapellini6074 protecting what is theirs from what ? Success ? Enjoyment ?
@@brucewayne4172 spoken like a true IP owner
we need a clean room compatible melee "decompile" with community assets so you all can host stuff all you want
This is another example of how game developers/ owner ruin their game
I don't really understand how they can do this from like, a legal perspective. Surely if you own all the hardware and software you can do whatever you damn well please. And there's no way they can tell you what hardware you can use as far as controllers go, that's just stupid.
Bro there's an whole ongoing issue with right to repair. Apple was notorious for this, making it difficult to repair their products outside an approved shop or how they had features to make it difficult to modify an iphone or even how they tried to fight against jailbreaking.
No software has worked like that since the early 80s. Read the EULA before you whine about it moron.
@@TomyLopex That's completely different circumstances other than rights of product ownership. Apple can design how they want their product just like Nintendo can. But they cannot dictate ownership or use regarding something they've sold.
@@antearesgamer Ask Ferarri about that, literally send CnDs over modifying their cars. Plus they make you sign a contract that gives them the first rights when you decide to sell your car.
Nintendo owns the game. People who buy the game only have permission to play the game for personal use.
The thing I am more worried about is the lack of use of UCF (Universal Controller Fix). With unmodified nintendo hardware, a lot of moves are very difficult and simple fixes like in UCF are a great way to even the playing field between competitors
UCF is essentially invisible. So long as no one talks about it, its essentially impossible to prove whether it is/isn't used at any given tournament.
We know for damn sure nintendo doesn't care enough to actually send people to tournaments to verify that the games are run on virgin software. So long as you cant tell visually that they're modded, it'll probably be fine.
that's why we have an invisible memory card version of it. what is nintendo going to do, ask a police officer to see if dash back is too easy?
@@bobboberson8297that actually sent me lmfao
Exactly, I'm not worried about it for the same reason that people have been using hacked mons in officially licensed pokemon tournaments for years and years... although they did just crack down on that a bit.@@bobboberson8297
Nintendo waging their holy war on the mere notion of Smash being even slightly competitive is something I will never understand
My thing is if so many people are modding your game for the comp scene then maybe they should just allow it since the shit has been out for literal years.
Also them trying to micromanage these small tournaments as a giant company overseas in a lot of cases is crazy
Nintendo has made exactly $0 off of Smash Melee and gamecube sales in the past decade, so what the fuck are they even doing thinking they can dictate the competitive scene that they ignored all this time?
Imagine if Spalding said you were not allowed to use their basketball to play Horse. You can only play full court with 5-man rosters on both sides, using the official NBA rules.
And if the ball tears, you can't tape it because that would be an unauthorized modification. But they also won't sell you a new ball so you have to just never play any game with a Spalding basketball ever again unless you get it used.
Ludwig you misread the section on to’s getting paid, thats actually a section stating the maximum payout of these tournaments (to players) per year can only be 10,000$ total.
What can we expect from a guy that has an English degree, can't expect him to have reading comprehension
the closest i can relate to this, is being copywritten for using nintendo gaming content, which i was sure was fair use. wow feel for you lud
I'm pretty sure that when it comes specifically to online, they cannot tolerate online modifications being shown off and used in a public setting due to various legal things involving the transmission of data. It really sucks but that's way you can't show off things like Slippy or Botw multiplayer.
you forgot to mention one of the biggest things is no sponsorships are allowed AT ALL
no third party sales of food/drinks either. absolutely embarrassing insecurity from nintendo
for small-scale, unlicensed tournaments, which, let's be real, weren't getting a lot of food or money aside from Papa Pellegrino's Pizza Parlor
ludwig didn't mention this but these guidelines heavily affect the splatoon community as well. they have a pretty active competitive community worldwide (but especially in Japan), and i've seen a lot of ppl freaking out over this news
This also drastically or maybe doesn't, effects the splatoon competitive scene
Watching this while dropping a painful dumper! Really helping me get through this.
Don't forget Scar's words. Train for a tournament, be ready for a protest.
It's not $10k earnings for an organizer -- an organizer can only give out $10k in winnings every 12 months, which means you can't host tournaments with prizes very often at all.
sir that court order is 500 feet. Something from the 70's must've traveled through time and dripped off that mustache.
hold "multiple tournaments" at the same time in the same building
Putting the address in the back so you can't share them is so petty and kind of funny
Nintendo is the Apple of the video game industry.
honestly worse lol probably
Apple and Disney combined
what they did here is shitty but absolutely not true at all. nintendo is one of the only companies to not enforce crunch because they know it ruins games. no other AAA development team does that. totk had a year if polish, mario wonder had no deadline. most of this is done by the business side of nintendo and NoA. they have some of the best developers and engineers in the entire industry, we can count on one had how many competent dev teams there are and nintendo like idk 4 or so separate dev teams are some of them. fromsoft and insomniac are some other ones off the top of my head
As much as we can hate on Nintendo, Apple is a lot worse 😅
Imagine telling people something is innovative and ground-breaking yet existed in the market for years already.
You can have a bigger prize pool and player pool by having 3 tournaments. Split the full tournament down the middle for the first 2. The winners or top 8 from each of the 2 tournaments win some prize and entrance into the 3rd tournament which would only have those 2-16 players. (Could also be top 32 or whatever you want).
Ludwig is growing that hulk hugan stache.
It's crazy how a company can care so much and so little about their game at the same time...
They don't care about the game until they finally realized 20 years too late that a competitive scene formed and they were using *gasp* modded versions of the buggy game they rushed out
Wait if he didn’t modify the game what did he get sued for?
Yes, I'm also confused
He didn't get sued. They just asked him to not use modifications. It's clickbait as always
I assume someone commented already but i am at 3:53 and noticed him talking about a T.O. being able to "make" over 10k, but it mentions the amount they can OFFER is 10k, so with a max of 5k, they could only do two tournaments with 5k in prizes in an entire year, it seems like they don't want the T.O. making any money on the tournaments, as it mentions all the money paid has to go to running the tournament or prizes
I like when the camera freezes cause it gives us an opportunity to just appreciate the mustache
Nintendo trying to not sue someone : *impossible*
I mean we can joke all we want but even Ludwig knows the golden rule: Don't fuck with the Nintendo Lawyers.
Except for that time that he actively picked a fight with them over the charity event and the whole #savemele thing
@@Zack_Taylor I mean it's all fun and games until they send papers. Sometimes they do and sometimes they don't. I wouldn't be poking the bear at all.
@@MrStGeorgeIllawarra you act like they're the IRS. Consumers have protection the USA. All that guidelines is for is to coerce people to into the licensing agreement which is the worst move anyone could make.
@@antearesgamer I mean, Smash is Nintendo's property and they can basically force most peoples' hands since y'know, they're one of the largest companies in the world. It's just better to not get involved with trying to mess with them unless you're absolutely sure that you're ready to face the consequences of several potential lawsuits.
@@antearesgamerthats not the point. the point is that nintendo lawyers have piles of money to throw at you in court. they can drag out the proceedings out for years until you literally go broke and settle. this is why basically noone sues things like youtube or facebook even when they would technically have a free win. in courts its not about law anymore, its about attrition
Ludwig looks like he's an army guy from an 80s movie, but updated to 2023 visuals
Remember also folks that these guidelines are for ALL of their games. This isnt just a Smash issue, its an issue for any Nintendo game with fans who want to get competitive.
The 10k thing read more as "if you run 2 tournaments, both with $5k prize pools, you cannot offer any more prize money" than what Lud said, maybe im dumb tho
We runnin fast and loose with the definition of "sued" here.
“Smash Invitational” sounds like a “you up?” text 😂
Bro went to the barber and went "Give me a Minecraft Steve"
I hope you are right and they give out licenses easily. However I dont see it happening as easily in NA as it does in japan
Everyone talks about getting rid of the ancient dinosaurs running the government. We gotta get rid of the ancient dinosaurs running Nintendo
'That's not how you're supposed to play the game' -forgot who said this💀
I love that last clip with Mango. And as someone who travelled around 15 years ago going to Melee tournaments, its very true. Those who want to play melee will always play for the love of the game regardless of what Nintendo does. Also Nintendo can't patch gamecube games.