Factorio 1.0 Default Settings Speedrun former WR

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  • @makdipus
    @makdipus Před 3 lety +140

    If nefrums started a lets play:
    episode 1: sending the rocket!
    Episode 2: Ending the series

  • @flipvdfluitketel867
    @flipvdfluitketel867 Před 3 lety +65

    Three hours in I'm thinking of how to design my green science production

    • @Jake94cool1
      @Jake94cool1 Před 3 lety +4

      Jokes aside but at three hours was literally the point I got my red and green science running and some seperate belts and insertors production.

    • @hummuseater44
      @hummuseater44 Před 3 lety

      @Quinn Christopher Shut

    • @hummuseater44
      @hummuseater44 Před 3 lety

      @Quinn Christopher up

  • @LukeAps
    @LukeAps Před 3 lety +59

    Default Settings. This is the sort of speedrun I love.
    Adaptive, on the fly. Based on the player knowing how to play the game really well.

  • @Jaxck77
    @Jaxck77 Před 3 lety +38

    Nefruns, you’ve inspired me & my friends to speedrun. We’ve managed two runs so far, and gonna do a third this weekend. Our next goal is under 3 hours. Thanks for being awesome man!

    • @bpc610
      @bpc610 Před 3 lety

      It's fun, right?
      Supply challenge scenario is another fun one to speed run if you want something a little shorter.
      It underscores my problem in factorio sr: having too many materials early. I guess buffering is my friend?

  • @bobe-my3br
    @bobe-my3br Před 3 lety +119

    Pumping out world records as fast as iron plates i see

  • @kalebhelsley4834
    @kalebhelsley4834 Před 3 lety +34

    I love how fast you do it, but what I love even more is just how many times you make mistakes, because it means that there is the possibility for an even faster wr. It also makes me want to try and run the game cause it seems that its just a lot of practice. Keep up the great work man 👍

  • @devinndoering8637
    @devinndoering8637 Před 3 lety +15

    I was waiting for this video. Didn't expect so quickly after other WR

    • @nefrums4510
      @nefrums4510  Před 3 lety +19

      I have acctualy had two runs that while technically 1.0 WRs, still was not good enough to post on CZcams. 🙂

    • @devinndoering8637
      @devinndoering8637 Před 3 lety +14

      @@nefrums4510 imagine WRing and not feeling good enough about pace lol. Keep up the great content

  • @babochee
    @babochee Před 3 lety +90

    Could you please add a keyboard mapper so we can tell what keys you are pressing during the play?

    • @nefrums4510
      @nefrums4510  Před 3 lety +82

      Yes, that is acctualy a good idea!

    • @padnomnidprenon9672
      @padnomnidprenon9672 Před 3 lety +3

      e f 1 clic clic shift+right clic left clic e clic clic
      don't forget to press ALT at the start of your game (display produced items over the building)

    • @mmmk6322
      @mmmk6322 Před 3 lety

      @@padnomnidprenon9672 How do you make construction bots delete objects that interfere with the ghost placements. Like, I always try to place a ghost thing and a tree stops me, and I get a bot to delete it first and then I place the ghost.

    • @ramonbakker7501
      @ramonbakker7501 Před 3 lety +3

      @@mmmk6322 shift click

    • @ulrikhansen2031
      @ulrikhansen2031 Před 3 lety +1

      @@nefrums4510 Did you make it yet :P? I am also curious on which hot keys you use.

  • @Exarvi
    @Exarvi Před 3 lety

    Smaller channels like yours often have the most valuable content. Good job, you are constantly improving.

  • @user-rl2vd4zv4h
    @user-rl2vd4zv4h Před 7 měsíci +1

    I’m new to this game and I know this video is 3 years old but you move so fast and fluid it’s amazing to me.

  • @herveglandu4847
    @herveglandu4847 Před 3 lety

    always impressive to watch, thx.

  • @blubeten
    @blubeten Před 3 lety

    very very good work on this . i love it

  • @Ghou1Lord
    @Ghou1Lord Před 3 lety

    Thx for another interesting run!

  • @cshairydude
    @cshairydude Před 3 lety +1

    This was really fun to watch.

  • @gabrielladias420
    @gabrielladias420 Před 3 lety +62

    I'd love to see a Deathworld speedrun. Not sure how feasible it would be, maybe a bit too rng heavy?

    • @4samul
      @4samul Před 3 lety +2

      I think it'd also make up for a lot of extra time (in addition to the RNG) because you have to put resources into making military gear and using time to both defend your base and remove enemy bases.

    • @pegazulgamez935
      @pegazulgamez935 Před 3 lety +2

      Agree would be awesome to see a 1.0 default deathworld speedrun

    • @frederickayer3602
      @frederickayer3602 Před 3 lety

      I feel like that's asking an Olympic hurdler to just "try competitive Olympic pole vaulting!" Not quite as similar as you may think.

  • @whisper6534
    @whisper6534 Před 3 lety

    Awesome run!

  • @MrX-un8cz
    @MrX-un8cz Před 3 lety

    The return of the king claiming the land from the native

  • @NochnoiLis
    @NochnoiLis Před 3 lety +1

    Увидел новое видео - лайк не глядя)

  • @nickhobbs8187
    @nickhobbs8187 Před 3 lety +15

    I'd love to see you at agdq with a pre set seed speed run

  • @Trupen
    @Trupen Před 3 lety +4

    Beginning in default settings speedrun is so much calm in compare to any%

    • @makdipus
      @makdipus Před 3 lety +1

      Hey i subbed to you :D

  • @totalakos8957
    @totalakos8957 Před 3 lety

    congrats!

  • @n0ggs
    @n0ggs Před 3 lety +2

    the mad man

  • @senaris
    @senaris Před 3 lety

    Hell yeah now we're talking.

  • @babochee
    @babochee Před 3 lety

    Bro! Where have you been! Love your videos!

  • @FairyRat
    @FairyRat Před 3 lety

    An actual god.

  • @pianoahlstrom
    @pianoahlstrom Před 3 lety +4

    1:14:28 - that pretty much sums up my life as well!

  • @ticdog7319
    @ticdog7319 Před 3 lety

    so neat and tidy factory. even it is systematic... unbelievable XD. i haven't ever seen like this

  • @KarlVomStein.
    @KarlVomStein. Před 3 lety

    good shit

  • @POINTS2
    @POINTS2 Před 3 lety +13

    Me about to watch this video: "Can't wait to see how a speedrunner does trains!"
    Watches video. I guess 3 or 4 belts to the main base *IS* the fastest way...

    • @4samul
      @4samul Před 3 lety +4

      It also depends on how much you're planning to bring to your base and how frequently. Having 20 belts isn't exactly ideal if you have bigger plans and it may take a very long time for the ores to travel hundreds of tiles.
      Edit: Don't get me wrong though it's often, including in this speedrun, the best option.

    • @davevd9944
      @davevd9944 Před 3 lety +7

      Yea belts are still fine with short distances. Personally I love seeing a bunch of trains driving around so when possible I love to make trains :D

    • @austinconner2479
      @austinconner2479 Před 3 lety +4

      Check out the 100% speedrun if you want to see trains

    • @POINTS2
      @POINTS2 Před 3 lety

      @@4samul Yeah, I kind of figured that there wouldn't be trains in a speedrun where the ore is close enough. Definitely cool to see what they come up with.

    • @POINTS2
      @POINTS2 Před 3 lety +3

      @@austinconner2479 Thanks Austin. I'll have to check that out. I hesitated since it's a bit longer but I'll to now to see trains.

  • @brettmcginnis9311
    @brettmcginnis9311 Před 3 lety

    impressive

  • @Belfast22
    @Belfast22 Před 3 lety

    Молоток 🛠

  • @asdfdfggfd
    @asdfdfggfd Před 3 lety +2

    Starting at 1:39:00 Best "how to make a outpost tutorial" on yt right now.

  • @ThanksIfYourReadIt
    @ThanksIfYourReadIt Před 3 lety

    I like how you smile with your eye way more then with your mouth =]

  • @leandrodomingues4452
    @leandrodomingues4452 Před 5 měsíci

    why you checking on the 2nd monitor every time you want to find things on the mad? can you see the map before discovering it?

  • @BlackChrRaw
    @BlackChrRaw Před 3 lety

    Which mod do you use for the checklist?

  • @quiggsy8571
    @quiggsy8571 Před 3 lety +3

    What do you have the decider combinator do when making RCUs?

    • @swerasnym
      @swerasnym Před 3 lety +5

      It keeps the assemblers from using its internal buffer to store processing units (blue circuits) and sped modules. This is done by telling the input inserts to not grab ingredients unless the number of things produced is the same as the number of items grabbed.
      This makes it so that the resources gets spread evenly across all assemblers.

    • @quiggsy8571
      @quiggsy8571 Před 3 lety +1

      @@swerasnym it took me a second to understand but I do now, thank you

  • @user-uf4dj3dh2h
    @user-uf4dj3dh2h Před 2 lety

    wow. amazing...

  • @dearlilly2780
    @dearlilly2780 Před 3 lety

    Never gonna stop, aren't you?

  • @wilk85
    @wilk85 Před 3 lety

    How do you input 1 coal at a time? With Z button?

  • @FerrybigGaming
    @FerrybigGaming Před 3 lety +3

    Reset your steam achievements before speedrunning, it will give you an heads up when the first attack is happening, as that gives an achievement (Not sure how this is documented using the rules)

  • @breehoyt1426
    @breehoyt1426 Před 3 lety

    Are you able to enjoy the game if you dont speedrun it or is it impossible now?

  • @furaon2
    @furaon2 Před 3 lety

    Спасибо бро, за записи на ютуб)

  • @quiggsy8571
    @quiggsy8571 Před 3 lety +3

    How do you do that thing in the early game where you wave a stack of coal over all the burner drills and it fills them?

    • @brandonhewer6772
      @brandonhewer6772 Před 3 lety +7

      Hold z while hovering the mouse over a valid inventory (drops in 1 coal at a time).

    • @sharpie11112
      @sharpie11112 Před 3 lety +1

      @@brandonhewer6772 Thank you, I couldn't ever figure that one out.

    • @quiggsy8571
      @quiggsy8571 Před 3 lety +1

      @@brandonhewer6772 thank you!

    • @Redpy5
      @Redpy5 Před 3 lety

      And if you are looking for putting in more than one at a time then you can hold Ctrl + Right Click to insert half of what you are holding or Ctrl + Left Click to put in all. Can be useful for distributing ammo and the such.
      Edit: Important to note that what you are holding will refill from your inventory as a full stack if you have more of it in your inventory.

  • @Pico_444
    @Pico_444 Před 3 lety

    How much is your world records per second?

  • @creativeone1573
    @creativeone1573 Před 3 lety +11

    Elon Musk’s *first day on Mars*

  • @paradoxicallyexcellent5138

    Anyone have an explanation for how he shaved 16 minutes off the rocket launch in the very last step? That was huge. He basically had stockpiled enough fuel and RCU's by the time the rocket silo was researched, but how?

    • @daltonbedore8396
      @daltonbedore8396 Před 3 lety

      maybe that he buffers most outputs so they are constantly creating instead of stopping after the belt is full

    • @Krissam2k
      @Krissam2k Před 3 lety

      What so you mean how? He just put up an assembler with all the necessary resources?

  • @lolmao500
    @lolmao500 Před 3 lety

    Should do a speedrun to a rocket launch + nuclear bomb + one megaspider thingee.

  • @TheBigCliftyGuy
    @TheBigCliftyGuy Před 3 lety

    How do you add/remove things from buildings without opening up the menu first?

    • @cricketonebit8475
      @cricketonebit8475 Před 3 lety

      Control click, or control right click for half, or Z for just a few, and drag the mouse over the buildings. Ctrl click and left click will remove if the computer things it's obvious what you want to remove.

  • @Dynioglowy1986
    @Dynioglowy1986 Před 3 lety +4

    watching your videos make me mad about myself ;/
    I try send rocket before 8 hours to get achivment but i cant do it
    i even prepare your build via bluprints but take me so much longer its drive me creazy
    What you do in 1 hour i do in 5/6 :(
    Your videos motivate me to keep trying so Thanks :)

  • @babochee
    @babochee Před 3 lety +1

    You putting in for a segment at GDQ?

    • @nefrums4510
      @nefrums4510  Před 3 lety +1

      I'm thinking of attending ESA Winter first!

  • @illauchi1145
    @illauchi1145 Před 3 lety

    How do you put a single coal into the miners/smelters in the very beginning this quick

  • @alext5497
    @alext5497 Před 3 lety

    Default settings, now we talking

  • @hadleighsaxon4413
    @hadleighsaxon4413 Před 3 lety

    Why is his head in the picture?

  • @NickGarvey
    @NickGarvey Před 3 lety +2

    Could someone explain the circuit at 2:30:00?

    • @NickGarvey
      @NickGarvey Před 3 lety +3

      Found a super good answer on Reddit. www.reddit.com/r/factorio/comments/be4xno/what_do_the_decider_combinators_do_here/

  • @fredriknorrstrom2452
    @fredriknorrstrom2452 Před 3 lety

    There is so much more potential in this run! 2:45 is possible!

  • @bpc610
    @bpc610 Před 3 lety

    I was just saying that I want to see Nefrums analysis of Phoenix/ anti builds. Then anti put up his analysis.
    Maybe you could analyze Anti's analysis? 70% joking.

  • @TheBulldogsk8
    @TheBulldogsk8 Před 3 lety

    its wierd seeing a speedrunner who doesnt look like a pile of sludge

  • @SlimeDont
    @SlimeDont Před 3 lety

    I have 100 hours to play and barely fired a rocket. That man made in 2 hours 51 min...

  • @zmbchrism
    @zmbchrism Před 3 lety

    How did he put 1 coal to all the furnaces and just spam it? That’s not CtRL-Right click right?

    • @proutytyler1
      @proutytyler1 Před 3 lety

      Z by default drops a single item from a stack. Hold Z and drag back and forth on your machines.

  • @j.d.6219
    @j.d.6219 Před 3 lety +1

    How you put onley one item into a machine?

  • @MutantParsleY
    @MutantParsleY Před 3 lety

    Why not blueprint all the things and paste them as you progress?

  • @wujustin477
    @wujustin477 Před 3 lety +4

    I just finished my first run and it took me 35 hrs. 3 hrs record...what !?

    • @scottlloyd9762
      @scottlloyd9762 Před 3 lety

      my last game was 67 hrs.. but I am heavily moded.

    • @ForAnAngel
      @ForAnAngel Před 3 lety

      My first game took 70 hours. My second took 36. Third was 16 and half way through it was when I discovered nefrums speedrun guide. My next game took 8 hours and 10 minutes and then 7 hours and 17 minutes.

  • @epieter
    @epieter Před 3 lety +1

    It takes him 3 hours what takes me 3 days

  • @arturk9181
    @arturk9181 Před 3 lety

    You look a bit like Matt Damon :D

  • @slothfacts9390
    @slothfacts9390 Před 3 lety +1

    Magnus Carlssen in 20 years

    • @bekong4985
      @bekong4985 Před 3 lety

      I choked on my drinking water

  • @deanerdaweiner3829
    @deanerdaweiner3829 Před 3 lety +4

    why does this guy look like a high school teacher

  • @kirov_airship
    @kirov_airship Před 3 lety +6

    Suggestion: Speedrun without using alt

    • @motbot146
      @motbot146 Před 3 lety

      Why

    • @kirov_airship
      @kirov_airship Před 3 lety

      @@motbot146 Without press alt key you won't know what task are the assembling machines working on unless you click every machine to see the details, it greatly increase the difficulty of speedrun

  • @AmeshaSpentaArmaiti
    @AmeshaSpentaArmaiti Před 3 lety +1

    Ha, 4 hours into my current run I’m only just at military science.

    • @beau691
      @beau691 Před 3 lety

      being new to the game it takes me longer than 4 hours to get there even :,(((

    • @AmeshaSpentaArmaiti
      @AmeshaSpentaArmaiti Před 3 lety

      @@beau691 don't worry, I'm not new and there's always a point where I tear everything down and start over. none of my full playthroughs have ever been under 80 hours.

  • @pelicangamingmalaka5220

    HOW TF I PLAY LIKE FOR 2HOURS AND STILL NOW GET GREEN SCIENCE btw I only have 5hours of time right now

  • @maninmadness9064
    @maninmadness9064 Před 3 lety

    for me
    1:45:35

  • @treeindustry1327
    @treeindustry1327 Před 3 lety

    Kills:
    Land mine:352
    Car:1
    What even is considered a kill

  • @SilkyJohnsen
    @SilkyJohnsen Před 3 lety +1

    I got 1200 hrs in the game.. Now how the F*** do you get 1 and 1 coal in the furnance outside? LOOOL

  • @Sam-he3rf
    @Sam-he3rf Před 3 lety

    bro my pc volume and video volume is maxed out and i can hardly hear you

  • @tokenpoptart3750
    @tokenpoptart3750 Před 3 lety +2

    is there enemies on this map?

    • @user-se5qr8zr8l
      @user-se5qr8zr8l Před 3 lety +2

      I don't get it either. On default settings I got welcoming party at much smaller polluting cluster - I barely had time to research basic techs.

  • @nikolajnikolaev1520
    @nikolajnikolaev1520 Před 3 lety

    Is it world recorde?

  • @hunterkillerai
    @hunterkillerai Před 3 lety +1

    OMG. You made a lot of mistakes. Some I'd think quite serious too. But still a new WR. Wow.

  • @julielappano4531
    @julielappano4531 Před 3 lety +1

    I don't own this game why do I watch these!?!?

    • @yuboka49
      @yuboka49 Před 3 lety

      Because it is very satisfactory!

  • @user-dq1rh9tj5x
    @user-dq1rh9tj5x Před 3 lety

    Почему у стримера лицо каменное...

  • @danbopes6699
    @danbopes6699 Před 3 lety +2

    Is it still a world record, with the additional help over voice? I feel like that's cheating a bit: He's given you directions based on various problems he's seen.

    • @austinconner2479
      @austinconner2479 Před 3 lety +2

      If you don't want to recognize it, you don't have to recognize it

    • @quantumdude836
      @quantumdude836 Před 3 lety +1

      it's twitch chat, not voice

    • @danbopes6699
      @danbopes6699 Před 3 lety +1

      @@quantumdude836 There's clearly a second voice toward the end of the speedrun

    • @quantumdude836
      @quantumdude836 Před 3 lety

      @@danbopes6699 ah my bad, was still in the middle of the video

    • @jakobslussen
      @jakobslussen Před 3 lety +1

      www.speedrun.com/factorio#Default_Settings
      Go and check this page out. Under view rules you can se what is or aren't allowed. As people are only watching his stream they are allowed to assist if they see a problem. Otherwise all speedruns should be done in a dark room locked so that no one can give them clues or assist them

  • @vikwaspukraine7674
    @vikwaspukraine7674 Před 3 lety +1

    Где кусаки на стандартных настройках? Сколько не играл кусаки есть всегда и много. Where byters?

    • @outlander1776
      @outlander1776 Před 3 lety

      За 3 часа они просто не успевают проэволюционировать + не хватает времени для экспанда к базе - а те что добегают сюриваются минами

    • @user-se5qr8zr8l
      @user-se5qr8zr8l Před 3 lety

      @@outlander1776 ИМХО, при дефолтном размере стартовой безопасной зоны такой огромный кластер источников вони через 5 минут все гнезда в округе спровоцирует. Тут что-то странное явно. На дефолтах еле-еле успеешь открыть турели - уже прибегает стайка серых.
      На 55 минуте он бежит на восток - там дефектное гнездо в деревьях, без споунеров. Если ему по всему периметру так приглючило - тогда понятно.
      Но больше похоже, что либо размер стартовой зоны сильно увеличен, либо коэффициент пассивного поглощения смога. Он почти даже не смотрит на карту и размеры облака.

    • @vikwaspukraine7674
      @vikwaspukraine7674 Před 3 lety

      @@user-se5qr8zr8l вот полностью с вами согласен. Как в пустыню попадешь так кусаки через 10 мин бегут. И приходится тратить половину времени на оборону от них. Тогда игра не за 3 часа проходится а за 7.

    • @user-se5qr8zr8l
      @user-se5qr8zr8l Před 3 lety +1

      Причем тут вся ирония в том, что чем *быстрее* ты добываешь (и быстрее генерируется смог), тем больше нагрузка на окружающую среду - и тем быстрее прибегут злые тараканы.
      Т.е. аргументы вида "ну он просто слишком быстро все сделал, кусаки не успели среагировать", работают в точности до наоборот: огромная фабрика, покрывающая дрелями всю поверхность рудной жилы, слишком быстро генерирует грязь, чтобы оставаться незамеченной. Чтобы избежать внимания кусак, нужно все делать наоборот: добывать очень медленно, в разных местах карты, периодически выключая дрели, и давать облаку выветриться. В балансе релиза 1.0 неспроста турели - очень дешевая, базовая технология. Дефолтные значения выставлены так, чтобы вынудить пользоваться турелями очень рано.
      Если стартовая позиция со всеми жилами находится в середине огромного, густого леса, то теоретически лес будет справляться с грязью от небольшой базы, в которой работает только 1 исследовательский центр. Тут явно не тот случай.

    • @vikwaspukraine7674
      @vikwaspukraine7674 Před 3 lety

      @@user-se5qr8zr8l все верно. Только я предпочитаю на дефолтных настройках все таки зарашить оборону и залить кусак напалмом. А по лесам прячусь когда на марафоне мира смерти играю.

  • @dardowned
    @dardowned Před 3 lety

    No aliens ? Itsnot default then?

    • @nefrums4510
      @nefrums4510  Před 3 lety +1

      Oh, there are biters in this run!

    • @user-se5qr8zr8l
      @user-se5qr8zr8l Před 3 lety

      Apparently, they were on vacation of some sort.
      Or, more likely, got extremely nauseated by the enormous pollution cloud - and left the land for good.
      I'll have to try this poisoning strategy (which oddly doesn't correspond to the theoretic explanation of how pollution distribution and absorption works in this game). Normally biters show up in 10-20 minutes after I place only a handfull of drills.

    • @nefrums4510
      @nefrums4510  Před 3 lety +1

      @@user-se5qr8zr8l it is quite easy to tell from map preview if biters are going to attack after 5min or after 45min.

    • @user-se5qr8zr8l
      @user-se5qr8zr8l Před 3 lety

      @@nefrums4510 Oh well, I must be missing some advanced knowledge then. I apologize for implying you cheated.

    • @nefrums4510
      @nefrums4510  Před 3 lety +2

      @@user-se5qr8zr8l it is just a matter of distance between patches and biter bases, and if there is forrest between.

  • @soliestt6436
    @soliestt6436 Před 3 lety +1

    Чел тыы

    • @DnD-i-tochka
      @DnD-i-tochka Před 3 lety

      Этот русский сломался, несите нового)

    • @NochnoiLis
      @NochnoiLis Před 3 lety

      бог факторки?

    • @soliestt6436
      @soliestt6436 Před 3 lety

      @@NochnoiLis Ды

  • @dydynact
    @dydynact Před 3 lety +1

    First

  • @rudisauer6659
    @rudisauer6659 Před 3 lety

    OK , du zeigst ein richtig gutes Game , was mich wirklich interessiert , aber muss es wirklich sein das dein Konterfrei laufend im Bild dominiert , ich möchte das Game im Vollbild sehen , aber nicht irgend eine sich wichtig machende Gamer in Einblendung bewundern , es sei dem das sich die Gamer wichtiger sind als das von ihnen präsentierte Game , ich will das Game im Vollbild sehen , aber absolut nicht die dauernden Gesichter der Gamer aufgezwungen bekommen , zum Glück zeigt die Vorschau die dauernden eingeblendeten Gesichter , was ich mir natürlich nicht antuen werde , zum Glück gibt es den Gamer Hirnsturz , er ist der beste Gamer welcher seine Games aufs beste Präsentiert , ohne sein Konterfrei in den Vordergrund rücken zu müssen .
    Hirnsturz ist ein Gamer welcher ein Game wirklich zum mittreisen verführt , leider in der Zeit alle 2 Tage nur , aber besser nur 2 Tage als überhaupt nicht .
    Die anderen Gamer welche sich mit ihren Gesichtern in den Vordergrund drängen wollen gehen mir so richtig am Arsch vorbei .
    Will man wirkliche Games sehen sind es diese von Hirnsturz , ohne eingeblendete Bärtige Zwerge und sonstige Gesichter welche mit der Handlung überhaupt nichts zu tun haben .

  • @proutytyler1
    @proutytyler1 Před 3 lety

    What's with old dudes who seemingly have no jobs dedicating their whole lives to these games?
    Vormithrax plays CDDA
    This dude just plays Factorio
    Like, get jobs.

    • @doggy3322
      @doggy3322 Před 3 lety

      you ever consider they have jobs and this is a hobby and side income?