HEATED 😡 Is Conte A BETTER Manager Than Arteta? | Saturday Social ft Robbie & Flav
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Smithy and Joe are joined by Robbie & Flav this week on Saturday Social. Ahead of this weekends North London Derby, we put a number of true or false questions to the guests and get them to decide who will come out on top on Sunday.
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Conte brought Juventus back on the map, invincible season in 11/12, 102 points in 13/14, won the PL with Chelsea, won Serie A with Inter after a 9 year drought, his CV speaks for itself
Bro speaks about the current situation and not about the cv
Mate pretty sure Robbie isn’t trashtalking about that Conte. He is clearly talking about Conte at *Spurs*
Allegri with the same dead football did the same
@@jackson159 That's all Arsenal fans can say "current situation" yet previously in this sort of debate they bring up invincibles and what has so and so manager won.
You missed off match-fixing
As an Arsenal fan, who backed Arteta since day 1, he is not yet better than Conte. You can't compare the two really, one has been a manager for over 10 years winning multiple titles and creating great teams, the other is just starting. Arteta has had a great start but that's it a start. Conte is a well established great manager.
He isn't even on Steve Bruce's level yet...
I would agree with you there. At the same time, we are both as clubs in the same place: in transition. Arsenal is, however, way further forward in that, and that is mainly thanks to Mikel Arteta. Conte is two years behind, but the seeds for his transition is way less clear than it was for Arsenal in 2021.
@@filiphovland2462 arteta in 2021? the fans all wanted him sacked
@@OfficialGobbledyGooker hyperbole
But right now his playing boring football and always blaming, he has no plan B. Always park the bus, hit on the counter
"What have they achieved?"actually had me in tears 😂😂😭
🤣🤣🤣
How can you compare someone who has decades worth of experience and many trophies to someone who is in their 3rd season as a professional manager . It’s best to do these debates in a few more years , not now
Arteta was 3-year old as a manager on December 29, 2022 - 2 trophies to Conte's 9 trophies since 2005 when he first started off as a manager.
@@AustinJVic 3rd season*
@@AustinJVic Nope. We are not counting the first season. Arteta started at Arsenal 20 December 2019. This season is his 3th season as manager.
Conte is better than Arteta based on his CV, but at the moment arteta is better than Conte.
It's to stir the online debates.
And get the clicks.
Robbie conceded that if you're looking at Conte's entire career, it's "not fair to compare the two", there's no debate to be had there. If the question is limited to Conte's tenure at Spurs (which wasn't the question), then there's definitely a debate to be had
But it's not a fair comparison. It's like asking who is smarter between a professor who has had a couple great innovations and inventions to his name, and 14 year old who can solve calculus and has graduated from college at such a young age with the best score.
@@iykeharrison9161 bit of an exaggeration there, + question was if Conte or Arteta was better not whos in form
@crongg How do you fairly determine who better between a veteran who's had some achievements and a very promising newbie? That's my whole point
@crongg How many major trophies did Conte win in his first three years of management, is another way of looking at it
Yes on that note let's also compare Arteta to Ancelotti at Everton I guess. 😂 Way to remove context. I wonder how Arteta would do as manager of spurs under the exact circumstances Conte found the club in 😅
"What have they achieved?" It sums up the convo 😂
Robbie: Wait a minute! What have they achieved?
Best line in this video.
Played in the Champions League final. That was the obvious comeback, can't believe Flav didn't think of it.
@@razbigranicu Arsenal also played in a CL final. and guess what both team lost that final.
@@ElManataro we are talking about the last 5 years.
@@razbigranicu still trophyless last time I count. Did that change in 2022?
More european trophies than arsenal
Conte has proven himself over the years and Arteta is just starting his managerial journey which makes the question of who is better even a silly one.
Exactly. You can only fairly compare both of them based on their performances so far this season.
@@iykeharrison9161 why? Wasn't arteta the manager in previous 3 Years?
Conte has never lasted for more than four years at any club he managed…that makes me doubt his management…maybe he is a short time solution manager..
@@jessemhally5385 ok? and arteta hasnt lasted more than 3 years yet
"you won the transfer window." "i dont remember anyone saying that." Flav has selective memory or was living in cave in the summer. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
The Don doing what the Don does 😂😭🤣
Debate was done at 5:12 😂😂😂 Thankyou @Aftv
Don Robbie absolutely roasted the spursy guy 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
"What have they achieved?" followed by the collective laughs. 😂
that mustafi call was outta pocket 😂
lol robbie was shaking
@@NONAME-jw2te 😂fr
love saturday social i just wish they wouldn't rush the guests through the questions every episode
Conte is levels above! Silly question. Come back when Arteta has won something meaningful.
For Arsenal fans, winning the FA Cup and Community shield is like a Premier league trophy🤣🤣🤣
@@eh9296 they're the cringiest fanbase, they think they've won the prem this season already
@@eh9296 come back when you go unbeaten 😹😹
At least arteta hasn’t been done for match fixing
@@bigwarok lmao arsenal fans are the only people who don't believe they will win. Other football fans are saying that but arsenal fans are still optimistic
Robbie & Flav together is the best combo you’ve had on Saturday social 🤣 👏
any guy with flav tbh 😂hes the best to watch
Robbie is a clown. Don't laugh at your own crappy jokes.
Even as a City fan I still love Arteta, not on conte's level yet in terms of prestige but he's definitely on track to be one of the best in the world if not the best
They are probably trying to get the public to put some sticks on Arteta.
Flavs inability to debate makes Robbie look like he knows what he's talking about.
Robbie doesn't need to know what he's talking about. Spurs are trophyless bottlers. That's a fact.
Respect for Antonio Conte, he has achieved so many trophies. Don't get me wrong I am a huge Arsenal and Arteta fan, but Areta has to achieve a lot in order to be considered as a top coach. One thing for a fact is that Areta has the potential to be one of the best coach to manage this game.
What are we comparing actually
The question should have been, who would you rather have now than who is the better manager
Conte won the prem in his first season with a Chelsea team that finished 10th previously. Managers like Arteta could only dream of doing that...
Every story has context
Loool if Arteta wins the league this season it’s a worthy debate.
Check what team Chelsea and Conte players bought during that time. Obviously conte is a better manager atm but don’t diminish Arteta, he’s changed Arsenal for good and given back the club to the fans, can you imagine the youngest team in the prem finishing 2nd let alone winning the league? Big big achievement.
@@urboyliiban Come back after winning SerieA without losing a single game with a team that had been relegated 2 years ago
Russian oil owner helps.
Expressions has rubbed off on Robbie like crazy. Cracking me up with the jokes. Lmao!
These 2 are the perfect example of how petty and brilliant football rivalries are
As an Arsenal fan, obviously Conte is the better and more experienced manager but Arteta has been better this season!
As a football fan, you can't compare a manager with 3yrs of managing to one with over 10yrs of managing experience. If you must compare then compare their first 3yrs
The question is. Who would you rather have as a manager at the moment.
That's such a pointless argument though. 1. Arteta has had 3.5 seasons to get his squad 'right' with a significant backing from the board. 2. Conte has been at spurs for (what will be) 1.5 seasons. Conte hasn't even got the players he truly wants in yet. Do you honestly think the likes of davies, dier, and emerson are the players conte wants in this side?
To summarise: Conte hasn't had enough time yet compared to Arteta, so comparing a manager who has a good project underway, to a manager who has barely started is just stupid.
This whole debate is stupid tbh. Conte has about 10 major honours as a manager, 5 of them league titles; Arteta has an FA cup. Like I saw someone else say, this is a debate to be had in 20 years if Arteta does go on to win things, but right now, it's just ridiculous lol.
@@donegal7 Well in that time, Conte has had 8 players in of his choice. That's a lot. And he inherited what is probably the best front 2 in the league in Son and Kane, so he already had good players and didn't need a complete squad overhaul.
The problem is that a lot of his signings (Bissouma, Lenglet, Djed Spence - a club signing yes) haven't performed.
@@donegal7 where is 3.5 seasons coming from arteta joined arsenal halfway through 2019 season this is his second full season as manager
@@calvinjaynum1767 He joined in 2019. So he joined in the 2019/20 season after arsenal sacked emery. He has therefore had 3 full seasons including this season.. hence 3.5 seasons
Conte
These 2 saying it's close between partey and casemiro is a totally and utterly disgrace.
The fact that arteta is being compared to a manager of about 10 years just speaks for itself
Conte career speaks for himself
Exactly. You can already see Arteta will go on to be one of the greatest managers in history. If he wins the prem with arsenal this season he will already eclipse conte and 90% of other managers in the prem
Yes it says a lot about the Arsenal fanbase.
@@2200detsortehul not just arsenal fans saying it in these comments
@@evoke97 I think Arteta is showing himself too be a very good coach this season, but everyone hyping him up is what tends to happen with recency biase, so if we`re talking about current form then yes Arteta appears to be way better then Conte, but Conte has already had a great career at multiple clubs.
The debate is about this season not about the last 25 years, I mean arteta just started coaching 3 year's ago
The way Joe gets so excited when they have different opinions 😂😂😂🔥
Robbie is like arguing with a brick wall
Arteta is better tho
Hanging out with Ty does that
I think people are confusing Better with Greater. Conte is a greater manager because of his past but I don't think any team in world football would pick Conte over Arteta to manage their club. Arteta is the better manager but conte is the Greater one. Hope this helps
Oh thanks for the clarification (that no one asked for or needed). You’re wrong though. Hope that helps.
Lol greater manager
Lmao come back when Arteta actually wins a league title. Literally every team in the world apart from Arsenal picks Conte as their manager over him. He's the 3rd beat manager in the world behind only Pep and Klopp. Put some respect on his name.
@@areebsiddiqui758 Ancelotti would have a something to say about this.
Lol
As an Arsenal fan, I don't think we would just struggle to win the league without Partey, we struggle to win games against anyone without him
DON ROBBIE BULLIED THIS UP!!! BIG UP!!!! SAME PERFORMANCE WE NEED 2MO FROM THE BOYS 💪🏾
Boys won it
'He doesn't even want to stay at your club' 🤣😭💀
Robbie turning into Ty with some of these claims
His double the size of Ty
Thats what being on top of the league do to Arsenal fans... They are moving mad really
@@JH-Bakshprobably triple
Many people talk about how big a loss it will be if Arsenal don't with the league but think about how big a victory it will be if they do win. They will become the youngest team to ever win the league and with a manager in his first managerial job!
Then factor in that they are up against a world class Man City side with a top flight experienced manager.
Conte is easily a better manager & I simply say that mainly due to the fact that he has so much more experience so his had a lot more time to win trophies & make a legacy…
Arteta is early in his management career so it is a little unfair of a question imo…
This doesn’t mean Arteta is bad, it just means Conte has been around a lot longer so his made a lot more historical moments & achieved a lot more 🤷🏻♂️
8:30 INSANE no chance Partey is better than Casemiro or Rodri
Right? The bias is absolutely appalling, to compare Partey and Casemiro in the same breath is disgraceful 🤣
Robbie absolutely thrashed Flav here. Somebody call an ambulance please😂
🥱
Go on Robbie! Speaking pure facts!!!
Spurs are wishing and hoping.- RIP Dusty Springfield 🙂
The statement wasn’t ‘at the moment’. It was better manager overall. I’m sure in Arteta’s 1st & 2nd season, Arteta wanted his board to do more in the market
i cant believe that they are saying Casemiro is close to Thomas Partey
Lmao, Don Robbie owned that totspur lad 🤣🤣
Oh my days, Conte has won multiple league titles, cups etc.
How is arteta already being compared to proven managers 😂😂
The answer to who is a better manager depends on time frame
Arteta is better currently
Overall he doesn't comes close to Conte
But Conte has been in the game for years and arteta might surpass him when he coaches for same no of years
This was amazing fun so many laughs man
well done RObbie, got new respect for you.
The Disrespect to Conte is MAD!
When Robbie disses the fact flav would want to lose to city to help them in the title charge it just shows he’s never had to worry about his rival team winning the league. If he was in a situation to sacrifice 3 points to hinder spurs winning the title he’d do it all day long. Flav is right, you’ll happily sacrifice 3 points
That will cost you Champions League football
Asking who is a better manager is like asking who’s a better player between Ronaldo and Saka. It’s pointless. One is coming to an end whilst the other is just getting started.
What has arteta achieved to be in the same breath as conte? I am an arsenal fan but I’m not delusional either
First time Conte hasn't 'one' of the best squads in the league he is managing in....this is how you rate a manager. Can he make the team perform 'above' their expectations, can he manage the players and convince them to play his style of football and most importantly are the fans happy with the style of play
He didn't have the best squad itl at Juventus or Chelsea, you could also argue Inter.
@@thecontextual1one411 I will add Sienna to this list
@thecontextual1one411 point is he has always had on paper a squad team capable of winning the league (Top 2 or 3 squad) same with Jose. RATE what they have done but can they take a smaller team with smaller budgets to the next level 🤷🏾 Too early to say for Mikel, but the next 2 seasons should tell us if he is a top class or just very good manager
@@emz_187 with that analogy, can we say Mikel is better than Pep?
Who said anyone was better than anyone🤔 Pep has also had the privilege to walk into the best team in the league, so he could well have another level to his management to come. Anyway point is I'm not sure trophies is the only measurement for the best managers
2:32 the host is loving it, hahaha, when you get the Don on you can expect some gold. Big up Saturday Social
Minute 5:40 got me cracking up also. Yeah what have they achieved? 😂
Conte took a struggling spurs to 4th last season...for arteta it was 3 years of 'trusting the process' to get where they are
People are forgetting where Arsenal were last season. They were struggling to find a goal of the month for their channel...
@Erik Ten Haagen Dazs And that was when Arteta was their manager. It's not like he came into the middle of the season and saved them. He's responsible for that 3 loses
To build a true identity, it takes 2 to 3 years. Arteta had to revamp the whole club and football team, it’s played out really well, Arsenal weren’t ready for the CL this season and neither are Tottenham clearly and never will be.
And this season they are doing terrible. Lol
A struggling spurs that have consistently spend more than Liverpool in the last 3 transfer windows.
Better question, if you don't support Spurs or Arsenal and had to take one of them right now as your club's new manager who would you pick?
Conte and it's not even close (am a United fan). Arteta may be doing well this season,but he's vastly outspent Conte while being at his club for 2 years more.
If Conte was Arsenal manager, they'd have at least 1 hand on the title by now
1:48 Joe's face 😂😂😂😂😂
Arteta is doing well right now with a club that has backed him in every way possible. And Conte is struggling at a team that seem to undermine him at every turn. So at the moment, Arteta is doing better. But as for overall better manager, it is no competition, Conte has the silverware across Europe and has done it over much longer of a time period. Arteta, if he carries on as is, will be a great manager but as of now Conte is well ahead
5:01 thank me later 😂😂😂
🤣
Flav's patience is commendable
Conte is an amazing manager when he has heavy financial backing, besides Juve, every other team he’s succeeded at have backed him massively with transfers. He left inter when they had to tighten their belts and isn’t doing as well at Tottenham with less money at his disposal.
The question is really
"Do you have a mental time frame longer than milk lasts in the fridge?"
Conte has won twice as many league titles as years Arteta has been a manager. Let's not talk out our arses for the sake if it. Could Arteta go on to be considered a better manager? Sure. But we're about 10 years or more from that conversation.
Its hard for me to Watch stuff like this. There is no comparison between Conte and Arteta. Conte is on another planet compared with Arteta. Maybe one day Arteta can be one of the greats. But right now. Conte is clear. I love what Arteta has done with this Arsenal team. But he is yet to have done anything big or great. Conte is a seasoned, professional Winner.
If it matters I am a Manchester United Fan.
Arsenal fan here and I completely agree. Conte's cv speaks for itself. I wouldn't swap arteta for him though. the football he has us playing is incredible and I fully believe he can go on to do great things as a manager.
I’m an Arsenal fan and Arteta has only just won me over. You can’t compare the two atm let’s be honest. Ones an established world class manager and the other is still learning the job.
Who was the better manager in 2003, Ferguson or Mourinho. One had done it all, one had potential ro be great. Same vibe
Respect for Flav for giving Partey his props. Many critics still held back the praises
But the Main question that needs to be asked is what’s gonna happen this Sunday and it will be Arsenal flying high
He’s not better than rodri lmao 😂😂😂
@@RhysBrownST 8 points clear
As a humanitarian 🤣🤣🤣 yh man, let Kane win something 🤣
Golly gosh now that's what I call heated
Love Robbie on this haha
Let's not forget Robbie was also adamant that Arsenal's front 3 of Aubameyang, Lacazette, and Pepe was better than Salah, Mané, Firmino 😭🤣
No way he said that lol
Partey over rodri and casemiro hahaha
The only thing he's got over them two is the tendency to break the law
Yes, Partey over them both when fit.
Partey is more than a DM- he's a REGISTA who controls the play infront of the defence andd links the defence to midfield. One could argue that Casemiro may be a better tackler/ play stopper than him, but Partey's overall play is better.
Also, *he has more goals and assists than Rodri & Casemiro this season and more influence in a game* .
@@OkA-007 yeah you've definitely not seen casemiro play as for starters he has more assists and the same amount of goals as Partey this season whilst putting up higher defensive numbers.
@Crispin Mcgahan Bell I'd argue we rely on casemiro just as much
we need this partnership again
Ahhaha get these boys on every week they are class
Think I may have found a Tottenham fan that’s decent 😂
Don’t watch the Saturday social video on champions league winner predictions where he put spurs as favourites to win 😂
Rodri is obviously the best CDM in the league
Casemiro 💯
When did Casemiro change his name?
Arteta has won nothing yet only an fa cup, this is a stupid debate 🤦♂️
community shield
@@duwayasiniduwayasini4952 Shush.
@@duwayasiniduwayasini4952 small trophie for a small club
@@OfficialGobbledyGooker close your pie hole... FA Cup and Community Shield > Audi Cup
Relax yourself
@@OfficialGobbledyGooker still counts as a trophy
Great banter that
Kane is at the point similar to the one Van Persie was at when he left Arsenal. Difference being is that if RVP had stayed then we probably would’ve won the league with Özil behind him. Tottenham rn are further behind than that arsenal team were
Don Robbie is actually very intelligent , always thought it was luck his success on AFTV and DR sport... Big up Don
Robbie bodied Flav in every argument
Robbie was on flav the whole video😂😂
arteta was in the job about a year and won the fa cup, even without his preferred approach to football, spurs could have houdini in charge and at best get to the final of the europa conference league
Kane has 15 goals in Prem. Arsenal’s front 3 have 18 combined 👏🏽
Spurs front three have like 18 too
@@thompson9672 HAHA
@@thompson9672 exactly ! Spurs front 3 have 18 combined. All it shows is just how much spurs will miss Kane when he leaves to win trophies 😁
Its incredible that arsenal can be top of the league and the fans can still be delusional
exactly lol,no way is partey better than casemiro
@@LocalNoob_2 there is a debate to be had based on this season and perhaps last season as an arsenal fan partey has truly been world class and so has casemiro but overall no one and no arsenal fan even believes or thinks partey is better than casemiro
@@atharvadangre5019 Yeah i"m not saying partey is bad,he has been world class,but Casemiro has been world class for the past at least 7 years,unlike partey
@@LocalNoob_2 don't think even robbie is comparing their careers
Man i`m not any type of Arsenal fan, but i have got to admit that i do severly enjoy watching Flav get roasted, it ain`t exactly hard to roast a Spurs fan, but it sure is fun
If the argument Robbie uses to disqualify Conte's achievement last season is that it was more Arsenal falling apart, who was the manager of Arsenal during that period when they fell apart? How can someone separate the two
Partey over Casemiro and Rodri 😂😂 don’t get me wrong, Partey is quality but the best? Not a chance
You dumb without a doubt.
You can't argue with Robbie about Arsenal 😂😂😂😂.
Exactly, Robbie has being hanging out too much with Ty. He has the TY fever now.
Don knows how to debate 🤣🤣
No spuds fan should ever use that word BottleJob, ever. 😂😂😂
How can anyone say Arteta is better than Conte😂😂
I'm not a fan of either club so have no axe to grind but when Flav said "We're in transition." ha ha. So deluded.
Spurs have been in transition since 1961.
You can not compare a manager who has been in the game way longer than another. Give us this debate in the next 20 years and it will be different
Robbie on cloud 9 and top of the league has clouded his views. This is why we will laugh at arsenal when they don't win the title.
I swear everyone was arteta out flip flop fans 😁
As a United fan the arsenal supporter is bang on with most of the stuff he is saying
Boy. That sure was heated....
Get em Flav