Describes the crazy things some people think about pumps. Show how some engineers will double down on their stupidity instead of doing a little research to understand the facts.
I took me about two minutes to understand how this thing works. I have been using the CSV125-3 for the last five years and love it. Does exactly what this guy says!
Thank you! I know the CSV is so simple that it can be hard for some people to understand. But I am embarrassed for people like Larry. He claims to be highly educated yet can't understand the many benefits of such a simple device. Not only does Larry not understand it, but is thinking completely backwards. It is even more embarrassing that he made several hours of videos proving he has no idea what he is talking about. Cycle Stop Valves only gets the intelligent customers anyway, which is not necessarily the same as the highly educated.
Cary is a great guy. He even got on the phone with me around 5 years ago when I was getting my cycle stop valve installed to smooth out the flow for my new sprinkler system. (some round and round about the cycle stop valve and if the check valve was still needed) Suffice it to say it just works. I get constant water pressure and a lot less noise in my garage where my pressure tank is. My pump is still running strong. In my brain, it works like this. (IT guy, not a pump guy). The pump runs at a constant speed due to the cycle of power fed into it. It always wants to run at that speed in order to go round and round simply due to how the voltage is varied to the pump and the windings of the pump. Alternating Current (AC). If you limit the amount of water the pump can lift it will run easier, drawing fewer amps, because it simply can’t get bogged down lifting more water because there is nowhere for the water to go; thus the blades just slip though the water only lifting a little water. It can only lift a little water and thus isn’t working that hard. (I don’t like the idea of saying it creates back pressure and perhaps this is what confuses the hell out of people. It simply restricts the diameter of the pipe the water can pass through; in a dynamic manner.). The CSV doesn’t really push water back on the pump. If the pipe diameter is large, water is quickly moved and more water tries to take its place in the pump. This is more water that the pump now has to lift out of the well. This draws more amps in the process. Just like any other electrical appliance, the more work the device has to do, the more power it will draw. (reflected in amps as the voltage stays relatively the same). The less work the appliance has to do, the less power it will draw. Remember that the blades of the pump are always slipping through the water. (No matter how much water the pump is lifting this draw is always the same; basically, I don’t understand fluid dynamics.) The only real work that is being done is the lifting of the water from the well. The more water the pump is lifting, the more work the pump is doing, and the more amps it draws in order to keep running at that constant rate.
Thanks for the kind words. You did an excellent job explaining it. I think it is funny that home owners such as yourself can understand and easily see the benefits of a CSV when a lot of engineers and pump guys, who are supposed to be educated on the subject, just cannot wrap their heads around how it works. I think they are trying to make it more complicated than it is. A regular full speed centrifugal pump using less energy when flow is restricted with a valve is just basic pump knowledge. It is really that simple. If someone tells you it is like dragging a ball and chain or one foot on the gas and the other on the brake, that is a red flag that they have no idea what they are talking about.
Also spent time with me on the phone my wife was very nervous could not have found a nicer man who owns their company that would take the time to talk on the phone with you. I believe he really cares about people
@@robertantunovich7504 My pump finally failed a few months ago. The damn thing fell off the end of the pipe and electrical tape got sucked into it.. It wasn’t the fault of the cycle stop valve. The symptom I failed to recognize was I was getting air in my plumbing.
I stumbled across the CSV on the internet when I searched for a constant pressure system. My previous plan was a huge pressure tank to reduce the cycles on my pump. I immediately called the number and after a few rings, a real, knowledgeable person answered and took as much time to talk as I wanted. That alone made me want to buy the product! Looking forward to a smaller pressure tank (so I can move it from my garage to my basement) and fewer pump cycles! I'm genuinely excited about this product!
Thanks for the kind words. You will be glad you decided to use Cycle Stop Valves. We only get the intelligent customers. Although it doesn't take much intelligence to see through the BS on Larry's videos. Lol! Thanks again!
I don't know wth a CSV is, besides comma separated values...lol, but I do agree with your thoughts on humans, more specifically those taht know it all and you can't talk to them. With that said, I happen to have replaced my well pump and pressure tank this week, and now I am going to research this to help make my system better if needed.
I installed csv1a and replaced old pressure tank pipes gauges ect. And what difference it made!! Before installed csv1a I would water the lawn and the pressure would go up and down and same with house(showering,dishes and so on) Now the pressure constant and I can a shower do dishes water the lawn at the same time with no loss of pressure. THE CSV1A WORKS love it
Thank you! I believe there have only been 3 people in the last 30 years who couldn't see the advantage of the CSV. Don't know how they can see, hear, feel a pump short cycle like in 30 seconds and think that is OK? Enjoy the constant pressure and you shouldn't even have to think about your water system again for 20-30 years.
I am looking up titles for a check valve replacement on the feed side of my jet pump. I mention how much I absolutely love the Cycle Stop on the discharge side. I love the thing, as I mention in my footage that is downloading to my puter as I type this. Keep up the work supplying an AWESOME product! I have a spare on my shelf just in case.
The amp usage drop for restricting output makes since. PSC motors on HVAC blowers will do the same. Higher static pressure equals lower amps / lower static pressure equals higher amps.
Thanks, but what are you doing trying to help people who have already made up their minds and don't want to be confused with such facts? Lol! Larry, the guy I made this video about would call you a liar, dishonest, a con man, and lots of other things for stating those facts. I just have to keep reminding myself that there are lots of people like Larry with mental issues, which keep them from being able to make rational and common sense decisions. It is hard for me not to get angry though when they claim to be intelligent engineers or have 30 years of pump experience when they obviously have no clue how pumps work. Anybody with an amp meter can see Larry is full of crap!
I was wondering when you would make this video. I commented on that unhinged individuals video, he accused me of being a shill and employee of CSV. I am a customer, mine just arrived today, hopefully will be installing in a few days.
Thank you very much. I couldn't figure it out either. Being an old well driller I am social media challenged. Lol! But I now think this is what they call a Cyber Attack. He spews a lot of lies and misinformation and I thought it was just for the clicks/views? I don't know what he gets out of that except an audience for a lonely pathetic man. But now he wants me to pay a ransom for him to take off the videos and not make any more? Sounds like blackmail to me and I do not understand why CZcams allows him to do that? Looks like he is doing it to Coke and other companies as well. That whole channel should be banned.
@@cyclestopvalves8380 I figured there was a motive on his part, makes sense now. I know that "Larry" is supposed to be living in the PI, so he probably figures he can get away with a bit of blackmail. Sad individual.
LOL..He called me the same thing Mike. I guess you and I are co- workers together that Cary sends out on the Internet to dispute the Larry's of the world and their genus minds. Flakes and fakes abound everywhere I guess.
I have had some minor issues along the way. But overall, really glad I found you guys. I HATE HATE HATE the up/down water pressure/gpm that bladder tanks / pressure switches provide (or lack therof). My wife LOVED when we moved out to the “country” . . but she said is there anything we can do about the terrible water pressure? She has a huge mop of hair and said it takes her a long time to rinse her hair. I remember the conversation . . I seem to have good pressure, then it drops then up and down. I used to watch the sprinklers perform properly and then slowly start to lose their “distance”. I will admit I was a bit of a skeptic . . . HOWEVER, even after installing a MUCH larger jet pump (with CSV valve) I have NOT seen my power utilization jump like I thought I would. Now my wife enjoys the constant water pressure and I don’t worry about my sprinklers causing my pump to cycle on and off like it used to (before the CSV valve). We are adding another water tank and another pump / CSV valve because we have developed more of the land and want to setup a separate watering system. NOTE: The one downside I can see if you move to this type of setup . . you will have a constant / higher GPM. If you have an old septic system, you might end up with over saturation in your drain field. Our house is setup with a gray water system - all showers and hand lavatories dump into a gray water tank that is pumped out to the perimeter of the house, trees, shrubs etc. This water never makes it into our septic system. Be sure to keep this in mind before you by this setup. BTW . . . an 85 gallon bladder tank costs $500 - $1,000 (quality and origin are major price role). The CSV cost is roughly $550 (with shipping). It did cost me a bit more because old school plumbers are afraid to do anything differently. I have since dumped my “city plumber” for a “country plumber”. 😊
Thanks for the kind words. I wish someone could convince this Larry guy how foolish he is for not understanding a CSV is very beneficial. As you mentioned, about the only disadvantage can be with the septic system, as the CSV lets you have all the water and pressure you want. Just need to be careful not to enjoy high pressure showers for too long or the septic may overfill. But that can be a good problem to have compared to not having enough pressure to get the soap out of your hair. Lol! I hope others can see like you did that Larry is as full of crap as an overloaded septic system. 😊
Also, thank you for your efforts replying to crazy Larry. Sorry for the abuse and insults from him. I am afraid he has already made up his mind, so there is no sense confusing him with facts. But if I can help let me know. Thanks. Cary
@@cyclestopvalves8380 Pretty sad, now he is hiding my replies after he made himself more like a buffoon . . . he made assumptions about my setup. I called him out and now he "hid" the comments so you can't see my replies. Such a sad little man.
I harvested some rain water finally, and now need to set up a garden pump system... Is there a pump with this valve already in it? A plug and play system?
All "plug and play" pump systems are designed to be "plugged and played" many times over and over. They make them easy to install because you have to install a new one every year or so. Adding the PK1A kit to a good jet pump will deliver strong constant pressure better than any other pump system. Plus, the CSV system was designed to make your pump system last many decades. In the next thirty years you can either replace about 30 of those plug and play systems, or with a CSV you will have forgotten you even have a pump system and just think water magically comes out of the faucets when they are opened.
@@bosatsu76 Here is a good place to start. You can see hundreds of pictures of systems like yours. cyclestopvalves.com/pages/reviews Then look at the videos on that web page for how to and why tutorials. Been making them for 30 years. Some are new, others are old, but they are all relevant. Also, call of chat if you need some assistance and we will talk you through it.
Chicken farmer here. The valve is the greatest thing since sliced bread. I used to have to use two 90 gallon pressure tanks, now one 35. Pumps last longer! Pressure tanks last longer! Pressure switches last longer! It works.
Thank you very much! As you well know, the water system on a chicken farm is one of the most demanding on a pump system. In the last 30 years we have helped many chicken farms solve these problems and get a dependable supply of water at strong constant pressure. I am embarrassed for guys like the one in that video who should be fairly intelligent, but cannot figure out all the simple benefits of a Cycle Stop Valve.
Back pressure is good for the pump/motor. It decreases amps and makes the motor run cooler. It is counter intuitive and even lots of educated engineers can't understand it. If your well is 200' deep and the house needs 50 psi the pump must build 140 psi back pressure just to get water to come out of your faucet. A CSV will make the pump see slightly higher pressure like maybe 30-50 psi more, which again, makes the pump work easier and the motor run cooler when you understand the counter intuitive way pumps work. It is not back pressure but zero flow or pump dead head which can destroy a pump, and that can never happen with a CSV as it can never completely close.
@@cyclestopvalves8380 can you put out a video of how this valve is good for the pump like a 1/2 hp or a 1 hp submersible . please show/explain how this doesnt create more amps and help me understand the counter intuitive way pumps work.
@@ricardoruiz6612 A 1/2HP can only build about 90 PSI and a 1HP about 130 PSI. Even a 100 HP pump won't build but 100 PSI pressure or so, so no properly sized pump can build too much back pressure. I have an entire web page that explains all of that. To be such a simple valve it has a complicated explanation because it has so many benefits. Nearly all of my videos explain the many benefits of the CSV. But start with these. czcams.com/video/3GABhLLtjas/video.html czcams.com/video/Mp_58yPGHOk/video.html czcams.com/video/_capz27LiYU/video.html
Not common to ship out of US as most other countries have such crazy tariff, import, customs, and shipping costs. They make it almost impossible for a US company to do business anywhere else in the world. But we send Cycle Stop Valves to lots of other countries and have sent to Dubai before. Just give us a call and we will figure it out. Thanks
The basic principle is a pump imparts inertia into a liquid. Stopping the flow of the liquid means it just rotates around in the pump itself spinning a small amount of weight. Once free to move the liquid moves out and more moves in going from zero speed to whatever the speed the departing liquid can achieve, that is the inertia exchange and loading of the motor. It's like a paddle wheel pushing water from zero to moving. Or a paddle wheel in a river that moves at the same speed as the paddle wheel, no load situation. I am using one for multiple reasons, tank size, vfd drive lifespan/failure, vfd cost, current consumption, and pump life. All of these factored into my decision for a system that puts out 40 GPM for irrigation during summer to 5 GPM demands during winter. The basic premise is sound and quite a bit cheaper.
Thank you! Very good explanation. Some people, like the guy in this video, lose their minds trying to understand this basic premise. It is even worse that they get angry when someone tries to explain it to them. Never had a Troll like this guy after me before. I guess I should be flattered he is trying so hard and failing so miserably at trying to prove it doesn't work. Lol!
@@cyclestopvalves8380 When I saw Larry compare a locked rotor state on a fan to near dead headed pump it was obvious he was comparing an apple to an orange. A locked rotor state on a pump causes the amps to go way up there too, but that's not what your valve does. To get an accurate comparison he should take the blade off of the fan and measure the amp draw, or put it in a vacuum so no air can be moved by it. I must say your troll comes across as someone hell bent on destroying you and proving he is right no matter what. The word libel comes into my mind when I watched part of his video.
@@brianpikl6253 Thanks again. Yeah the guy is crazy. Classic symptoms of a narcissist with an Anti-Social Personality Disorder. Will never admit he is wrong, even with the facts staring him in the face. Lashes out at anyone who doesn't think he is superior. Tries to punish anyone who disagrees with them, and the list goes on. It is a personal vendetta against me for saying he doesn't understand how pumps work, even though it is obvious he doesn't understand how pumps work. He thinks because he says it is "his opinion" he can say what he wants. But opinions don't count when the facts are written on the pump curve. No question everything he says is libel. :)
I heard about cycle stop valves through a CZcams well installation channel that seems quite good. The criticisms online appear long on ‘intuition’ and short on data and calculations. Definitely understandable that pump and tank makers don’t like something that cuts sales of replacements and variable speed control systems (and petty that they won’t honor their warranty if used). I do have a question though. I want to install an NFPA 13D residential sprinkler system that will incorporate a pump. I haven’t seen anything in the NFPA standard or online about concerns about a CSV. But has anyone had a problem getting a residential sprinkler system with a CSV approved for a permit? Thanks for any responses.
We use Cycle Stop Valves for residential fire systems all the time. How else could you have a 30-40 GPM pump for fire sprinklers and expect it to work when taking a 3 GPM shower? The CSV is the only way the pump would survive the everyday cycling on and off and be in good shape if needed for a fire?
Cary you need to do some explaining that none of your videos do! Let's take the average residential well system that has no need for long water usages like running a sprinkler system for long periods of time each day. My 1st question is: once my water usage is complete and the pump was running, how many GPM.s does the CSV supply to fill my expansion tank? I am hearing in you videos that it is 1 gpm. Lets say my expansion tank is a 28 gallon and I know I have about 9 gallons of usable water before I hit the cut in psi. 2. Is the CSV supplying any water into my expansion tank during the water usage? If not ,it will take my pump 9 minutes of running time to fill once usage is complete. The optimal time is around 2 minutes. 3. can the gpm to the tank after usage be increased? 4. Using a very small tank like those small ones advertised would have most common households to have the pump running too many cycles. Pump manufacturers recommend at least 1 minute of run time each cycle, less than that is not good for the pump wiring etc. With my original expansion tank, my pump would only run 21 seconds per cycle and that was even when a shower of something was running as you explain well. I have since added a 2nd larger expansion tank and between the 2 tanks have about 22 gallons of water usage before my cut in psi. (30 -50 switch ). My pump now runs 1:22 seconds each cycle. I could go further but that's ur job. I would suggest better explaining. I have more info with my son installing your csv and how he's managing if you're interested. For now I will not be installing one and suggesting to my many neighbors and customers to do the same until the air is cleared. TY
All that information is on our web page and/or videos. Sorry to have so many hundreds of pages of info that you can't find the little things in it that you want. The videos explain everything well. I have also explained this hundreds of times in dozens of different ways. It is just so simple some people can't understand or simply will not believe it, even after it is explained to them. The CSV method of pump control is so perfect it was actually blacklisted by pump manufacturers in 1994 as the CSV makes pumps last longer and use smaller tanks. Yes the smaller CSV's fill the tank and have a minimum flow of 1 GPM. But that doesn't mean it takes 9 minutes to fill a 9 gallon draw down tank. With a 40/60 switch the CSV is set for 55 PSI, which will give you about 2 minutes of run time to put the last 2 gallons in you 9 gallon draw down tank (from 55 to 60 at 1 GPM). Increasing the minimum flow and tank fill rate through the CSV would also increase the flow rate that causes the pump to cycle. As it is the pump will not cycle as long as you are using more than 1 GPM. Increasing the minimum flow to say 3 GPM would cause the pump to cycle on/off when using a 2.5 GPM shower, which isn't good. We offer higher minimum flows with the larger valves, because larger pumps need more flow to stay cool. But 2HP and smaller pumps only need 2/10s of a GPM to stay cool, so 1 GPM minimum is best. I hate that you wasted so much money on those large tanks, as they are not needed. With only a 4.5 gallon size tank the pump will cycle the same number of times for a house as with a larger tank and no CSV. The smaller tank causes the pump to cycle on for uses over 1 gallon. But the CSV keeps the pump from cycling at all during long term uses of water. So, the total number of cycles per day is the same. The difference is with the small tank you get strong constant 50 PSI almost immediately. With a large tank and 22 gallons of draw down the pressure in a 3 GPM shower will drop and feel low as the pressure falls from 60 all the way to 40 for 7-8 minutes before the pump starts. Run time can be made to be 1 minute when using a 4.5 gallon size (1 gallon draw) tank if you want. But the one minute thing only applies to cool the motor after it has been running at full load amps. With the CSV the amps are reduced, the motor is running cooler, and doesn't need a minute to cool back down. So ,we usually set the CSV system to fill the tank and shut off after about 20-30 seconds. All this explaining is in our videos and web page. It is just simple answers to questions people think are more complicated than they are. All you really need to know is that any flow rate for any length of time you want to use it, is covered by the CSV system with the small tank. . In the last 30 years a million systems with CSV's have lasted longer and working better than any other method of pump control. Being counter intuitive, It is just so simple it makes even some engineers lose their minds. But for those willing and able to still learn something new, the CSV is a game changer.
Thanks. I don't know why some people can't see how stupid they look criticizing something with 30 years of proven success. I am embarrassed for him. Like people with other mental disabilities, he can't see that he is the one that is wrong.
Larry the Loon has a correction on his illustration that HE put up in only one day. The nut can't draw the system correctly but is an expert on how it works? Larry....pump curve...read it know it love it.
Thank you! Larry won't even look at a pump curve or do the math. He has already made up his mind and doesn't want those pesky facts confusing the issue. Lots of people tell me he deletes their responses. I have responded but I think he is deleting my replies? Can you see any of my comments on his page? I can see them but not sure anyone else can?
@@cyclestopvalves8380 Larry has a new tact now czcams.com/video/RFzBbFJPMBY/video.html Here is my comment that either will not get posted or last long if it does.>>> You are a lying skunk. @5:43 you list verbally what is in the CSV kit shown but you left out the safety valve and the stainless tee and and fitting. Now you've gone from ripping the CSV concept in general to now admitting it works but you have a better way. But with that you have not built a model to demo your "better" idea. Save your breath calling me a shill (again) as I don't work for CSV, have never met Cary personally. Build your system and run a direct side by side comparison to the CSV. You won't because YOU sir are the fraud not Cary.
I saw the video that that fruitcake made trashing your Valve, I asked myself why someone would go to all that effort to harm your business, the guy’s a kook.
Thanks! Yeah the guy is a kook and thinks he is a genius. Pumps are complicated enough without someone like him confusing the issue with all that nonsense. He would probably delete your replies as they are accurate and would make him look as foolish as he really is. What I can't believe is that CZcams will do nothing to correct the issue. But I guess fake news gets them more clicks than the truth.
@@edbouhl3100 Thanks! Yeah apparently CZcams likes the fake news as well, as they will do nothing about the slanderous and liable videos from this guy. As a small business owner I can't afford to sue someone who doesn't have enough to cover my legal costs. For 30 years I have been hoping one of the big pump companies would make liable or slanderous statements like that, but apparently they are smart enough to know better.
Finally have me CSV and 4.5 gallon tank installed. I cannot believe how much room is now freed up in my basement with that 50 gallon pressure tank out of here! I mounted the valve directly into the 1 inch main galvanized pipe coming directly through the wall. Valve on top, tank on bottom, roughly 4 feet off the floor. I had to rewire everything, the last plumber left a real mess with an old well control box and sloppily installed newer control box, wiring everywhere... All cleaned up now, new EMT conduit, the incoming pipe with electrical wiring all sealed up with plumbers putty, looking good! Install was easy, teflon tape the threads, tighten, repeat until all assembled. Hook up wiring, break out the Pex A Uponor, install a shut off valve and then direct to the plumbing... Works like a champ, water pressure is a constant 50 psi, and has never been better throughout the entire house. I did a temporary install, going to start re-plumbing the house tomorrow... What a difference over that huge pressure tank vs this compact CSV system. Now, when the pump starts, 85 foot submersible 1/2 hp Franklin, no more dimming of the lights, and barely audible noise. Not that it was loud when the tank was filling, but you certainly knew when it was. Not any longer, very impressed! Not being a plumber, I always thought it was the size of the pressure tank that made all of the difference in pressure and flow. Boy was I wrong! My first thought when I stumbled upon Cary's YT page was that he was selling snake oil. Hell, I was looking for an even larger pressure tank to install, which is how I found Cary... I watched a few of Cary's videos and went, hmmm? I think he is on to something pretty good here, as I know a bit about centrifical pumps, pumps that we used in the oil fields and of course mechanics, and it all made perfect sense. What is it about home owner style wells and plumbing that clouds our minds so much? Is it because that is how it has always been done, and there is no other way? I really feel stupid, especially with my background, having been around pumps of all kinds since I was a kid. I am glad I found Cary and his business, what an education, and I hope to share this knowledge with others. Cary, I cannot say enough. You have a fantastic, solid product. And again, thank you for the education, it is greatly appreciated!
Thanks for the kind words! I wish everyone could see how it works like you do. I was the same way. After 25 years in the pump business, I had to admit I was wrong about how pumps worked. I have spent the last 25 years learning how pumps REALLY work. Some people, especially some pump guys and engineers will never admit they are wrong. Sad that they are so hard headed they will never see how simple pump controls can be. The Cycle Stop Valve reduces pump control down to it's simplest form, which is an elegant way to make it bullet proof, dependable, and long lasting.
I took me about two minutes to understand how this thing works. I have been using the CSV125-3 for the last five years and love it. Does exactly what this guy says!
Thank you! I know the CSV is so simple that it can be hard for some people to understand. But I am embarrassed for people like Larry. He claims to be highly educated yet can't understand the many benefits of such a simple device. Not only does Larry not understand it, but is thinking completely backwards. It is even more embarrassing that he made several hours of videos proving he has no idea what he is talking about. Cycle Stop Valves only gets the intelligent customers anyway, which is not necessarily the same as the highly educated.
Cary is a great guy. He even got on the phone with me around 5 years ago when I was getting my cycle stop valve installed to smooth out the flow for my new sprinkler system. (some round and round about the cycle stop valve and if the check valve was still needed) Suffice it to say it just works. I get constant water pressure and a lot less noise in my garage where my pressure tank is. My pump is still running strong. In my brain, it works like this. (IT guy, not a pump guy). The pump runs at a constant speed due to the cycle of power fed into it. It always wants to run at that speed in order to go round and round simply due to how the voltage is varied to the pump and the windings of the pump. Alternating Current (AC). If you limit the amount of water the pump can lift it will run easier, drawing fewer amps, because it simply can’t get bogged down lifting more water because there is nowhere for the water to go; thus the blades just slip though the water only lifting a little water. It can only lift a little water and thus isn’t working that hard. (I don’t like the idea of saying it creates back pressure and perhaps this is what confuses the hell out of people. It simply restricts the diameter of the pipe the water can pass through; in a dynamic manner.). The CSV doesn’t really push water back on the pump. If the pipe diameter is large, water is quickly moved and more water tries to take its place in the pump. This is more water that the pump now has to lift out of the well. This draws more amps in the process. Just like any other electrical appliance, the more work the device has to do, the more power it will draw. (reflected in amps as the voltage stays relatively the same). The less work the appliance has to do, the less power it will draw. Remember that the blades of the pump are always slipping through the water. (No matter how much water the pump is lifting this draw is always the same; basically, I don’t understand fluid dynamics.) The only real work that is being done is the lifting of the water from the well. The more water the pump is lifting, the more work the pump is doing, and the more amps it draws in order to keep running at that constant rate.
Thanks for the kind words. You did an excellent job explaining it. I think it is funny that home owners such as yourself can understand and easily see the benefits of a CSV when a lot of engineers and pump guys, who are supposed to be educated on the subject, just cannot wrap their heads around how it works. I think they are trying to make it more complicated than it is. A regular full speed centrifugal pump using less energy when flow is restricted with a valve is just basic pump knowledge. It is really that simple. If someone tells you it is like dragging a ball and chain or one foot on the gas and the other on the brake, that is a red flag that they have no idea what they are talking about.
Also spent time with me on the phone my wife was very nervous could not have found a nicer man who owns their company that would take the time to talk on the phone with you. I believe he really cares about people
@@robertantunovich7504 My pump finally failed a few months ago. The damn thing fell off the end of the pipe and electrical tape got sucked into it.. It wasn’t the fault of the cycle stop valve. The symptom I failed to recognize was I was getting air in my plumbing.
I stumbled across the CSV on the internet when I searched for a constant pressure system. My previous plan was a huge pressure tank to reduce the cycles on my pump. I immediately called the number and after a few rings, a real, knowledgeable person answered and took as much time to talk as I wanted. That alone made me want to buy the product! Looking forward to a smaller pressure tank (so I can move it from my garage to my basement) and fewer pump cycles! I'm genuinely excited about this product!
Thanks for the kind words. You will be glad you decided to use Cycle Stop Valves. We only get the intelligent customers. Although it doesn't take much intelligence to see through the BS on Larry's videos. Lol! Thanks again!
I don't know wth a CSV is, besides comma separated values...lol, but I do agree with your thoughts on humans, more specifically those taht know it all and you can't talk to them.
With that said, I happen to have replaced my well pump and pressure tank this week, and now I am going to research this to help make my system better if needed.
I installed csv1a and replaced old pressure tank pipes gauges ect. And what difference it made!! Before installed csv1a I would water the lawn and the pressure would go up and down and same with house(showering,dishes and so on) Now the pressure constant and I can a shower do dishes water the lawn at the same time with no loss of pressure. THE CSV1A WORKS love it
Thank you! I believe there have only been 3 people in the last 30 years who couldn't see the advantage of the CSV. Don't know how they can see, hear, feel a pump short cycle like in 30 seconds and think that is OK? Enjoy the constant pressure and you shouldn't even have to think about your water system again for 20-30 years.
I am looking up titles for a check valve replacement on the feed side of my jet pump. I mention how much I absolutely love the Cycle Stop on the discharge side. I love the thing, as I mention in my footage that is downloading to my puter as I type this. Keep up the work supplying an AWESOME product! I have a spare on my shelf just in case.
Thanks so much! I hope you never need the spare. It is always nice when someone see's and appreciates all the benefits of a Cycle Stop Valve.
I wanted to comment on your VFD and pump video. I'm a bit smarter for it thank you! I'll never use it as I'm retired but my grand children will!
Thank You!
The amp usage drop for restricting output makes since. PSC motors on HVAC blowers will do the same. Higher static pressure equals lower amps / lower static pressure equals higher amps.
Thanks, but what are you doing trying to help people who have already made up their minds and don't want to be confused with such facts? Lol! Larry, the guy I made this video about would call you a liar, dishonest, a con man, and lots of other things for stating those facts. I just have to keep reminding myself that there are lots of people like Larry with mental issues, which keep them from being able to make rational and common sense decisions. It is hard for me not to get angry though when they claim to be intelligent engineers or have 30 years of pump experience when they obviously have no clue how pumps work. Anybody with an amp meter can see Larry is full of crap!
I've been using the Cycle Stop Valve for months already and it works exactly as advertised. Gary Austin is a stand up guy.
Thank you. I don't think it would change this guys mind if a million CSV customers told him how well they work. Lol!
I was wondering when you would make this video. I commented on that unhinged individuals video, he accused me of being a shill and employee of CSV. I am a customer, mine just arrived today, hopefully will be installing in a few days.
Thank you very much. I couldn't figure it out either. Being an old well driller I am social media challenged. Lol! But I now think this is what they call a Cyber Attack. He spews a lot of lies and misinformation and I thought it was just for the clicks/views? I don't know what he gets out of that except an audience for a lonely pathetic man. But now he wants me to pay a ransom for him to take off the videos and not make any more? Sounds like blackmail to me and I do not understand why CZcams allows him to do that? Looks like he is doing it to Coke and other companies as well. That whole channel should be banned.
@@cyclestopvalves8380 I figured there was a motive on his part, makes sense now. I know that "Larry" is supposed to be living in the PI, so he probably figures he can get away with a bit of blackmail. Sad individual.
LOL..He called me the same thing Mike. I guess you and I are co- workers together that Cary sends out on the Internet to dispute the Larry's of the world and their genus minds. Flakes and fakes abound everywhere I guess.
I have had some minor issues along the way. But overall, really glad I found you guys. I HATE HATE HATE the up/down water pressure/gpm that bladder tanks / pressure switches provide (or lack therof). My wife LOVED when we moved out to the “country” . . but she said is there anything we can do about the terrible water pressure? She has a huge mop of hair and said it takes her a long time to rinse her hair. I remember the conversation . . I seem to have good pressure, then it drops then up and down. I used to watch the sprinklers perform properly and then slowly start to lose their “distance”.
I will admit I was a bit of a skeptic . . . HOWEVER, even after installing a MUCH larger jet pump (with CSV valve) I have NOT seen my power utilization jump like I thought I would. Now my wife enjoys the constant water pressure and I don’t worry about my sprinklers causing my pump to cycle on and off like it used to (before the CSV valve). We are adding another water tank and another pump / CSV valve because we have developed more of the land and want to setup a separate watering system.
NOTE: The one downside I can see if you move to this type of setup . . you will have a constant / higher GPM. If you have an old septic system, you might end up with over saturation in your drain field. Our house is setup with a gray water system - all showers and hand lavatories dump into a gray water tank that is pumped out to the perimeter of the house, trees, shrubs etc. This water never makes it into our septic system. Be sure to keep this in mind before you by this setup.
BTW . . . an 85 gallon bladder tank costs $500 - $1,000 (quality and origin are major price role). The CSV cost is roughly $550 (with shipping). It did cost me a bit more because old school plumbers are afraid to do anything differently. I have since dumped my “city plumber” for a “country plumber”. 😊
Thanks for the kind words. I wish someone could convince this Larry guy how foolish he is for not understanding a CSV is very beneficial. As you mentioned, about the only disadvantage can be with the septic system, as the CSV lets you have all the water and pressure you want. Just need to be careful not to enjoy high pressure showers for too long or the septic may overfill. But that can be a good problem to have compared to not having enough pressure to get the soap out of your hair. Lol! I hope others can see like you did that Larry is as full of crap as an overloaded septic system. 😊
Also, thank you for your efforts replying to crazy Larry. Sorry for the abuse and insults from him. I am afraid he has already made up his mind, so there is no sense confusing him with facts. But if I can help let me know. Thanks. Cary
@@cyclestopvalves8380 Pretty sad, now he is hiding my replies after he made himself more like a buffoon . . . he made assumptions about my setup. I called him out and now he "hid" the comments so you can't see my replies. Such a sad little man.
I harvested some rain water finally, and now need to set up a garden pump system... Is there a pump with this valve already in it? A plug and play system?
All "plug and play" pump systems are designed to be "plugged and played" many times over and over. They make them easy to install because you have to install a new one every year or so. Adding the PK1A kit to a good jet pump will deliver strong constant pressure better than any other pump system. Plus, the CSV system was designed to make your pump system last many decades. In the next thirty years you can either replace about 30 of those plug and play systems, or with a CSV you will have forgotten you even have a pump system and just think water magically comes out of the faucets when they are opened.
@@cyclestopvalves8380 Ok then... Sell me one please. And guide me to a tutorial for dummies. Thx
@@cyclestopvalves8380 What I have is a cistern from the rain harvested off my roof... Not a 'well'.
@@bosatsu76 Here is a good place to start. You can see hundreds of pictures of systems like yours. cyclestopvalves.com/pages/reviews
Then look at the videos on that web page for how to and why tutorials. Been making them for 30 years. Some are new, others are old, but they are all relevant. Also, call of chat if you need some assistance and we will talk you through it.
Chicken farmer here. The valve is the greatest thing since sliced bread. I used to have to use two 90 gallon pressure tanks, now one 35. Pumps last longer! Pressure tanks last longer! Pressure switches last longer! It works.
Thank you very much! As you well know, the water system on a chicken farm is one of the most demanding on a pump system. In the last 30 years we have helped many chicken farms solve these problems and get a dependable supply of water at strong constant pressure. I am embarrassed for guys like the one in that video who should be fairly intelligent, but cannot figure out all the simple benefits of a Cycle Stop Valve.
Can this CSV create an enormous back pressure on the well pump, which can cause the pump to be damaged?
Back pressure is good for the pump/motor. It decreases amps and makes the motor run cooler. It is counter intuitive and even lots of educated engineers can't understand it. If your well is 200' deep and the house needs 50 psi the pump must build 140 psi back pressure just to get water to come out of your faucet. A CSV will make the pump see slightly higher pressure like maybe 30-50 psi more, which again, makes the pump work easier and the motor run cooler when you understand the counter intuitive way pumps work. It is not back pressure but zero flow or pump dead head which can destroy a pump, and that can never happen with a CSV as it can never completely close.
@@cyclestopvalves8380 can you put out a video of how this valve is good for the pump like a 1/2 hp or a 1 hp submersible . please show/explain how this doesnt create more amps and help me understand the counter intuitive way pumps work.
@@ricardoruiz6612 A 1/2HP can only build about 90 PSI and a 1HP about 130 PSI. Even a 100 HP pump won't build but 100 PSI pressure or so, so no properly sized pump can build too much back pressure. I have an entire web page that explains all of that. To be such a simple valve it has a complicated explanation because it has so many benefits. Nearly all of my videos explain the many benefits of the CSV. But start with these.
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Does CSV available in Dubai?
Not common to ship out of US as most other countries have such crazy tariff, import, customs, and shipping costs. They make it almost impossible for a US company to do business anywhere else in the world. But we send Cycle Stop Valves to lots of other countries and have sent to Dubai before. Just give us a call and we will figure it out. Thanks
The basic principle is a pump imparts inertia into a liquid. Stopping the flow of the liquid means it just rotates around in the pump itself spinning a small amount of weight. Once free to move the liquid moves out and more moves in going from zero speed to whatever the speed the departing liquid can achieve, that is the inertia exchange and loading of the motor. It's like a paddle wheel pushing water from zero to moving. Or a paddle wheel in a river that moves at the same speed as the paddle wheel, no load situation. I am using one for multiple reasons, tank size, vfd drive lifespan/failure, vfd cost, current consumption, and pump life. All of these factored into my decision for a system that puts out 40 GPM for irrigation during summer to 5 GPM demands during winter. The basic premise is sound and quite a bit cheaper.
Thank you! Very good explanation. Some people, like the guy in this video, lose their minds trying to understand this basic premise. It is even worse that they get angry when someone tries to explain it to them. Never had a Troll like this guy after me before. I guess I should be flattered he is trying so hard and failing so miserably at trying to prove it doesn't work. Lol!
@@cyclestopvalves8380 When I saw Larry compare a locked rotor state on a fan to near dead headed pump it was obvious he was comparing an apple to an orange. A locked rotor state on a pump causes the amps to go way up there too, but that's not what your valve does. To get an accurate comparison he should take the blade off of the fan and measure the amp draw, or put it in a vacuum so no air can be moved by it. I must say your troll comes across as someone hell bent on destroying you and proving he is right no matter what. The word libel comes into my mind when I watched part of his video.
@@brianpikl6253 Thanks again. Yeah the guy is crazy. Classic symptoms of a narcissist with an Anti-Social Personality Disorder. Will never admit he is wrong, even with the facts staring him in the face. Lashes out at anyone who doesn't think he is superior. Tries to punish anyone who disagrees with them, and the list goes on. It is a personal vendetta against me for saying he doesn't understand how pumps work, even though it is obvious he doesn't understand how pumps work. He thinks because he says it is "his opinion" he can say what he wants. But opinions don't count when the facts are written on the pump curve. No question everything he says is libel. :)
I heard about cycle stop valves through a CZcams well installation channel that seems quite good. The criticisms online appear long on ‘intuition’ and short on data and calculations. Definitely understandable that pump and tank makers don’t like something that cuts sales of replacements and variable speed control systems (and petty that they won’t honor their warranty if used). I do have a question though. I want to install an NFPA 13D residential sprinkler system that will incorporate a pump. I haven’t seen anything in the NFPA standard or online about concerns about a CSV. But has anyone had a problem getting a residential sprinkler system with a CSV approved for a permit? Thanks for any responses.
We use Cycle Stop Valves for residential fire systems all the time. How else could you have a 30-40 GPM pump for fire sprinklers and expect it to work when taking a 3 GPM shower? The CSV is the only way the pump would survive the everyday cycling on and off and be in good shape if needed for a fire?
@@cyclestopvalves8380 Thank you for the quick reply!
Cary you need to do some explaining that none of your videos do!
Let's take the average residential well system that has no need for long water usages like running a sprinkler system for long periods of time each day.
My 1st question is: once my water usage is complete and the pump was running, how many GPM.s does the CSV supply to fill my expansion tank? I am hearing in you videos that it is 1 gpm.
Lets say my expansion tank is a 28 gallon and I know I have about 9 gallons of usable water before I hit the cut in psi. 2. Is the CSV supplying any water into my expansion tank during the water usage? If not ,it will take my pump 9 minutes of running time to fill once usage is complete. The optimal time is around 2 minutes.
3. can the gpm to the tank after usage be increased? 4. Using a very small tank like those small ones advertised would have most common households to have the pump running too many cycles.
Pump manufacturers recommend at least 1 minute of run time each cycle, less than that is not good for the pump wiring etc. With my original expansion tank, my pump would only run 21 seconds per cycle and that was even when a shower of something was running as you explain well. I have since added a 2nd larger expansion tank and between the 2 tanks have about 22 gallons of water usage before my cut in psi. (30 -50 switch ). My pump now runs 1:22 seconds each cycle. I could go further but that's ur job. I would suggest better explaining.
I have more info with my son installing your csv and how he's managing if you're interested. For now I will not be installing one and suggesting to my many neighbors and customers to do the same until the air is cleared.
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All that information is on our web page and/or videos. Sorry to have so many hundreds of pages of info that you can't find the little things in it that you want. The videos explain everything well. I have also explained this hundreds of times in dozens of different ways. It is just so simple some people can't understand or simply will not believe it, even after it is explained to them. The CSV method of pump control is so perfect it was actually blacklisted by pump manufacturers in 1994 as the CSV makes pumps last longer and use smaller tanks.
Yes the smaller CSV's fill the tank and have a minimum flow of 1 GPM. But that doesn't mean it takes 9 minutes to fill a 9 gallon draw down tank. With a 40/60 switch the CSV is set for 55 PSI, which will give you about 2 minutes of run time to put the last 2 gallons in you 9 gallon draw down tank (from 55 to 60 at 1 GPM). Increasing the minimum flow and tank fill rate through the CSV would also increase the flow rate that causes the pump to cycle. As it is the pump will not cycle as long as you are using more than 1 GPM. Increasing the minimum flow to say 3 GPM would cause the pump to cycle on/off when using a 2.5 GPM shower, which isn't good. We offer higher minimum flows with the larger valves, because larger pumps need more flow to stay cool. But 2HP and smaller pumps only need 2/10s of a GPM to stay cool, so 1 GPM minimum is best.
I hate that you wasted so much money on those large tanks, as they are not needed. With only a 4.5 gallon size tank the pump will cycle the same number of times for a house as with a larger tank and no CSV. The smaller tank causes the pump to cycle on for uses over 1 gallon. But the CSV keeps the pump from cycling at all during long term uses of water. So, the total number of cycles per day is the same. The difference is with the small tank you get strong constant 50 PSI almost immediately. With a large tank and 22 gallons of draw down the pressure in a 3 GPM shower will drop and feel low as the pressure falls from 60 all the way to 40 for 7-8 minutes before the pump starts.
Run time can be made to be 1 minute when using a 4.5 gallon size (1 gallon draw) tank if you want. But the one minute thing only applies to cool the motor after it has been running at full load amps. With the CSV the amps are reduced, the motor is running cooler, and doesn't need a minute to cool back down. So ,we usually set the CSV system to fill the tank and shut off after about 20-30 seconds.
All this explaining is in our videos and web page. It is just simple answers to questions people think are more complicated than they are. All you really need to know is that any flow rate for any length of time you want to use it, is covered by the CSV system with the small tank. . In the last 30 years a million systems with CSV's have lasted longer and working better than any other method of pump control. Being counter intuitive, It is just so simple it makes even some engineers lose their minds. But for those willing and able to still learn something new, the CSV is a game changer.
You’re 100% I came up with the product and a guy was doing the same thing to me
Thanks. I don't know why some people can't see how stupid they look criticizing something with 30 years of proven success. I am embarrassed for him. Like people with other mental disabilities, he can't see that he is the one that is wrong.
Larry the Loon has a correction on his illustration that HE put up in only one day. The nut can't draw the system correctly but is an expert on how it works? Larry....pump curve...read it know it love it.
Thank you! Larry won't even look at a pump curve or do the math. He has already made up his mind and doesn't want those pesky facts confusing the issue. Lots of people tell me he deletes their responses. I have responded but I think he is deleting my replies? Can you see any of my comments on his page? I can see them but not sure anyone else can?
@@cyclestopvalves8380 Larry has a new tact now czcams.com/video/RFzBbFJPMBY/video.html Here is my comment that either will not get posted or last long if it does.>>>
You are a lying skunk. @5:43 you list verbally what is in the CSV kit shown but you left out the safety valve and the stainless tee and and fitting. Now you've gone from ripping the CSV concept in general to now admitting it works but you have a better way. But with that you have not built a model to demo your "better" idea. Save your breath calling me a shill (again) as I don't work for CSV, have never met Cary personally. Build your system and run a direct side by side comparison to the CSV. You won't because YOU sir are the fraud not Cary.
I saw the video that that fruitcake made trashing your Valve, I asked myself why someone would go to all that effort to harm your business, the guy’s a kook.
Thanks! Yeah the guy is a kook and thinks he is a genius. Pumps are complicated enough without someone like him confusing the issue with all that nonsense. He would probably delete your replies as they are accurate and would make him look as foolish as he really is. What I can't believe is that CZcams will do nothing to correct the issue. But I guess fake news gets them more clicks than the truth.
@@cyclestopvalves8380 Spot on. Whether a business, person, or civilization gets damaged, it’s all about getting clicks and making money.
@@edbouhl3100 Thanks! Yeah apparently CZcams likes the fake news as well, as they will do nothing about the slanderous and liable videos from this guy. As a small business owner I can't afford to sue someone who doesn't have enough to cover my legal costs. For 30 years I have been hoping one of the big pump companies would make liable or slanderous statements like that, but apparently they are smart enough to know better.
Finally have me CSV and 4.5 gallon tank installed. I cannot believe how much room is now freed up in my basement with that 50 gallon pressure tank out of here! I mounted the valve directly into the 1 inch main galvanized pipe coming directly through the wall. Valve on top, tank on bottom, roughly 4 feet off the floor. I had to rewire everything, the last plumber left a real mess with an old well control box and sloppily installed newer control box, wiring everywhere... All cleaned up now, new EMT conduit, the incoming pipe with electrical wiring all sealed up with plumbers putty, looking good!
Install was easy, teflon tape the threads, tighten, repeat until all assembled. Hook up wiring, break out the Pex A Uponor, install a shut off valve and then direct to the plumbing... Works like a champ, water pressure is a constant 50 psi, and has never been better throughout the entire house. I did a temporary install, going to start re-plumbing the house tomorrow...
What a difference over that huge pressure tank vs this compact CSV system. Now, when the pump starts, 85 foot submersible 1/2 hp Franklin, no more dimming of the lights, and barely audible noise. Not that it was loud when the tank was filling, but you certainly knew when it was. Not any longer, very impressed!
Not being a plumber, I always thought it was the size of the pressure tank that made all of the difference in pressure and flow. Boy was I wrong! My first thought when I stumbled upon Cary's YT page was that he was selling snake oil. Hell, I was looking for an even larger pressure tank to install, which is how I found Cary...
I watched a few of Cary's videos and went, hmmm? I think he is on to something pretty good here, as I know a bit about centrifical pumps, pumps that we used in the oil fields and of course mechanics, and it all made perfect sense. What is it about home owner style wells and plumbing that clouds our minds so much? Is it because that is how it has always been done, and there is no other way? I really feel stupid, especially with my background, having been around pumps of all kinds since I was a kid. I am glad I found Cary and his business, what an education, and I hope to share this knowledge with others.
Cary, I cannot say enough. You have a fantastic, solid product. And again, thank you for the education, it is greatly appreciated!
Thanks for the kind words! I wish everyone could see how it works like you do. I was the same way. After 25 years in the pump business, I had to admit I was wrong about how pumps worked. I have spent the last 25 years learning how pumps REALLY work. Some people, especially some pump guys and engineers will never admit they are wrong. Sad that they are so hard headed they will never see how simple pump controls can be. The Cycle Stop Valve reduces pump control down to it's simplest form, which is an elegant way to make it bullet proof, dependable, and long lasting.