Sora Was Surprised To Hear Indonesian Is An Easy Language 【ENG Sub Hololive】
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The cute Hololive VTuber Tokino Sora was surprised when chat told her Indonesian is one of the easiest languages in the world
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Okay, I'm waiting for Sora to learn Indonesian with Reine after this! Tanoshimi!!!
Will Reine be brave enough to teach Sora one ID curse word tho
@@luxraydarkrai Jyaa~ teki da ne~ *glance while opening Katana sheat
Yay tonjok time
Are you sure about that?
@@luxraydarkrai Sora will learn about it anyway so even if Reine won’t teach her, her chat will
Indonesian languange is not like other languange, you can use the word and not worrying about wrong meant, even tought you wrong say something in indonesian they still can understand, that why people say indonesian langaunge is one of many easy to learn
Even tho Indonesia cant even say the proper word from KBBI cuz the language is too stiff for daily conversation
Just look at how did Bahasa Indonesia was created. It was meant for a language to be used by anyone in Indonesia, and with that in mind you'd want an easier language so anyone can have easier to learn
Yeah Indonesian is easy, the grammar and so on doesn't matter too much and it translate literally with English
For daily conversation it's easy, but as major in high school level I really hated it because how difficult it was for me, even though my mother was Indonesia language teacher.
@@batu5180 What does "Bahasa" in "Bahasa Indonesia" mean? Does it mean "language"?
Is this foreshadowing sora would come to reine Classroom?
Let us pray to Matsuri that it is.
@@velveteensallet949 oh i know what you did there hahahaha nice one
Could be?
Foreshadowing? More like inevitable
"Indonesian is the easiest language to learn!"
Meanwhile, Kobo tries teaching Sana a single word...
COT! NOT TOT! BATOT AAAAAAAAAA
Meanwhile Reine easily teach Gura "Bangsat" ...
It's hard teaching a word to EN since they didn't pronounce their word as it is ... So you need to use a part of another word as example (Ba Chot / Bunk SAT) ...
Like they pronounce double O as U instead of OO ...
@@ManusiaKagakRusuh Indo pronouce 'c' as 'ch' which isn't a thing in English. If we see 'CAT' it is pronounced 'kat' and not 'chat'.
She's teaching it wrong
Sana is a native english speaker, she doesn't know how to pronounce COT because it doesn't come up in english
what she should've said is shot, but replace the S with a C.
@@YuSooKey v tru
I might want to learn Indonesian just to be able to understand Hololive ID branch members, lol
Simp
Don't try to learn casual speak first, get good in Formal speech/writing, then try to learn casual speak/writing
Indos love to abriviate everything, an actual sentence that can actually be read can be literally like this
Dh mkn blm, klo blm tr psn pke gjk aj.
Formal would be :
Sudah makan belum, kalau belum nanti pesan pakai gojek saja.
With out proper knowledge of the vocabulary, you shouldn't touch casual speak yet
but dw, most indonesian will switch to formal speech/writing when they see you using Formal Indonesian
so there's nothing to worry about trying to speak Indo to an Indonesian
Indonesian student: *Getting A grade in English test*
Also Indonesian student: *Getting B or C grade in Indonesia test*
Somehow I feel it an irony. Tho it is funny
Also also Indonesian student: *studies morphology and syntax and semantics and other linguistic elements in Indonesia and not Japanese*
It's ironic for sure, but everyone blows at his or her native language studies for a reason. lol
Haruka Nakagawa (Former AKB/JKT48) is an example of Japanese people that already reach Native level of Bahasa xD
with some free "offside" pass
Bahasa = Indonesian Language
@Tjakra Birawa yesnt
@Tjakra Birawa well in fact, there are many people use that so...
@@yudan366 no dude, bahasa indonesia = indonesian language
I am loving all these Sora translated clips lately. Way too little of our #1 idol out there. So this surge in Sora clips is highly appreciated
yeah, i enjoy sora clip, but watching her stream is hard because of language barrier, . so somebody clipping sora stream is a huge TSKR
RELATIVELY easy. Language learning is hard still, especially for your 2nd language or language from different roots.
Yeah but it really is easy, it's grammatically simple and mostly just context based
yeah but it's much easier for a Japanese to learn Indonesian compared to english-first westerner. Because Indonesian, just like Japan, spell vowel as it is. Our primary difference is Indonesian has distinct L/R sound.
@@victoriazero8869
And ID don't has words that change just because it was at different point in time (past/present/future) and we doesn't have pronouns or specific word for specific gender ...
No, formal indo is REALLY easy
but don't try touching casual indo when learning formal indo
bc your grammar is gonna get fucked left right up and down
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Indonesian (and Malay more broadly) is often a language that's spoken to communicate broadly across the country/region, and many people speak a local language at home (Javanese, Sundanese, Madurese, etc.). I'm guessing its use as a vehicular language and it being easy to learn have played into each other historically
Yes, you are correct. Most Indonesians know at least 2 language: bahasa Indonesia and local language (some of the province use bahasa melayu too as their local language)
True. I'm from Java and speak Javanese and Indonesian. There are many island, ethnic, group, or tribe that own language and culture itself. So we need 1 language to comunicate
@@nkaldo2614 i prefer the term 'ethnicity' rather than tribe which i know come from 'suku' but its rather outdated colonial term. cheers.
It's more a bridging language for others can understand.
The term is Lingua Franca, a common language used to ease communication between other languages
Compared to English indonesian and malay words are relatively easy to learn and pronounce. I feel like even though i dont know the language its not hard to guess the word or the context based on the root word.
The only thing hard to pronounce is the "r", at least for german native speaker, because out of 20 Germans I know nobody could speak "Jalan raya semer" in a way that any taxi driver could understand it. ;)
@@johanneswolfken8658 IIRC, certain dialects in Malaysia pronounce their 'r' like the Germans do.
quick correction, Indonesian and Malay area 2 different language the same way Spanish and Portuguese are different
Indonesian would need subtitle to watch Malay media and vice-versa
another important note is Indonesian is deliberately made to be neutral while Malay is part of malay ethnic culture.
@@chrom4ful While technically malay and indonesian are different, if a malay and an indonesian were to speak to each other with their own language each of them could probably understand 90% of the conversation. Even if some word are different, people can infer from context; and for some that can't be infered we can ask what the word is and get up to speed with the conversation.
@@majesticfox 90% is definitely a stretch, this is anecdotal but as Indonesian who had Malaysian roommate and had such conviction as yours, I would rather speak english get my point across, it's always awkward moment when I or they "kinda" understand the point (but not really), with best intention, I wouldn't even bother
Let's not talk about grammar or vocabulary, but if you can read the alphabet ( A-Z) in Indonesian, then you can pronounce the word. I think that's what makes Indonesian easier than other languages.
and there's no silent letter in Indonesia 😂
And letter like Q, X, Z, V doesn't have word, if they have you can change it with another letter, like Q=K, X=Ek, Z=J, V=F/P
indonesian probably one of the few languages where casual level is much easier than the formal one thanks to casual speak doesn't require a lot of format, just subject, verb, object, and time or place. It doesn't even have multiple verb BS.
The most difficult word in Indonesian "terserah"
Can relate. To some, it may means only 'Whatever'. But to some, that word contains too many mysteries...especially when my crush say it.
Yup, especially when woman who said it. You have to be careful what you say next or you will be ruined
@@jakkun465 Boy : Where do you want to eat?
Girl : Whatever.
Boy : What do you want to eat?
Girl : Whatever.
Boy : Okay, let's go eat nasi pecel.
Girl : No!
Boy : Okay...what do you want to eat?
Girl : Whatever.
Boy : .....I give up.
"Indonesia is very easy"
Me experienced 12 years schooling from grade to senior high
My Exam score:
Indonesian Lang: 60
English Lang: 90
Formal Indonesian is just somehow more painful
"Pokok cerita di atas adalah....."
Every difficult question in Bahasa Indonesia test
We all have to go through that painful path...
Kalimat utama pada paragraf di atas adalah...
@@dennyfahrurodzi9516 12 years using the same pattern.
Why indonesian language are easy:
1). No verbs, F U
2). Gender neutral noun, why complicate things when it can be easier
4). No plural, just add number, easy.
5). Extending the first point, u can just build ur sentence word by word, no complex order, anything goes as long it make sense
6). Phonetic language, means no funny inconsistent spelling, F english
7). Extending point sixth, the alphabet used are the most used alphabet, roman letters, ofc phonetic
8). Extending point seventh, no cases, u know, those funny alphabet accessories.
9). No tones
Maybe there is other, but couldn't rly come up with more, i mean i wouldn't think all of those when speaking indonesian
Edit: there is reason why its easy, it was made so, indonesia are an archipelago country, originally a country that made up of so many island, means many ethnicities, and lot of languages, each region has its own languages, so u will find most of Indonesian mother tongue to be not Indonesia language(not the case to people who move to major cities and lost contact to their origin ethnics), instead indonesia are the 2nd language to most of those peps so it was made easy (its was dubbed the language that connects all Indonesian, being the national language that used for news, works, and studies language). But bcs of this Indonesia language are mostly used with slang in daily convs, and the slang usually depend on the region so most people that are too used with those will even have a worse grade on the subject than english, and sometime having a hard time when going to other region. Ofc only for slang-fied Indonesian, u can still go by easy with basic Indonesian.
As someone currently living in indonesia for 5 years now i can pinpoint 3 reasons why it is easy
1st is because due to the long history of colonization from the dutch many of indonesian words uses "localized" version of either dutch or english (one example i can think of from the top of my head is police>polisi) and after we were "Liberated" by the japanese we also used a bit (or most of the time,simillar sounding words where their meanings are really close,such as the suki-suka in here)
2nd: most words are pronounced exatly as it's written,no "double o is pronounced u" type of thing,if there's 2 then you say it a bit longer instead (i'm sorry i can't think an example for this but you get the idea)
3rd: in indonesia however exist "imbuhan" which to oversimplify things: it's basically an opening and ending to a word,kinda like tense in english (like "makan" to "memakan" or "makanan" which all three have different meaning),if you master this then everything they say starts to make sense
Hence why indonesian is easy to learn by english,japanese or malay
Actually 2nd point is a bit complicated. Sometimes instead of pronouncing it longer, we pronounce it twice instead
Adding on the 3rd point: suffix "-nya" is probably one of the most notable thing for japanesse and someone acquainted to japanesse culture when tey learn Indonesian. When you start talking about someone's possession you'll gonna hear "-nya" alot.
2nd point example:
Eek [e-ek] (i think it's non formal world for Tai : shit/crap). not longer "e" but twice.
I can't think of other word lol
it's like 'easy to learn but hard to master' kinda thing
Yeah, that's true.
Sora: "Saya suka Soratomo."
Indonesian Soratomos: *A S C E N D*
Indonesia is an archipelagic country with 17000 islands, has more than 700 regional languages and 1300 ethnic groups.
An easy national language is needed for that reason.
Chat: Indonesian is easy
Me: I spent 5 years studying Italian and remember barely anything. Any language is hard enough.
Best way to learn a language is live in the country it speaks it.
@@tiagoh.4120 Very true
@Tempest Yes, waow, unbrerevabre
The only Italian word I know is "Sacre Bleu"
@@rraxford and also "bonjour" or "baguette"
Her Indonesian pronunciation is perfect!
I think anybody did not tell Sora chan that bahasa Indonesia also takes some other language due to colonization and religion😂
Example: kulkas (refrigerator) from Dutch, kursi (chair) from Arabic, manteiga (butter) from Portuguese😁
Language is interesting
Manteiga?
THEY GOT OUR MANTEIGA?????????
@@abrahamwijaya6631 mentega
@@vladthevladofc yeah, we got your manteiga 😉
@@CroxNK say a good word in indonesian so i can put in on our grammar
we need to get our revenge
Well, to reach native level you have to live in there for quite a long time. But, for formal language, it's actually easy to learn.
No shortage of folks willing to help Sora learn if she wanted to :)
Sora: Oh, I hope Reine can teach me in Indonesian Classroom stream so i can know a lot of Indonesian words
Reine Classroom:
- "Halu"
- "G.W.S"
- "Makyuss"
- "Hanya Teman"
- "AWKWKWKWKWKWKWKWKWKW"
- "Ikan Hiu Makan Tomat......, Bang***"
kocak, ngajarin pake kalimat slang dan meme tongkrongan 🤣
itu sih ngajarin jadi orang jakarta bukan bahasa indonesia
@@SavingHex yg terakhir bukan kata slang
Jangan lupa "Tonjok"
Aside from extremely straightforward grammar, lack of tenses, lack of gendering, ultimately there's also phonetic sounds exactly like how it was written. The last part made it extremely easy for any Japanese to learn Indonesian, since almost everything can be written in katakana.
indonesian actually doesn't have such complicated patterns, just improve the vocabulary, pronunciation (and some slang words) then you're good. But still learning every language for the first time is so hard especially the formal one
My indonesian friends ever told me this, the point that makes indonesian language is easy is you can just said "i eat apple" instead "i eat an apple" or "she sleeping" instead "she is sleeping" correct me if im wrong.
It's true. Mainly because on casual conversations we just speak it word to word without worrying about tenses etc, and the message/meaning would be understood. And indonesian is vocal language which make it easy to speak.
@@Lan-bb7dt I see!! thankyou for telling me..the last point is new information to me
@@Tsumikui you're welcome!
Can't say for certain if this generalises to Indonesian, but Malay is dead easy to get started with. It's got mostly simple phonemes; spelling maps roughly one-to-one with pronunciation; words don't usually have multiple meanings; there are no verb tenses or grammatical gender for the most part; descriptors almost always follow the described, e.g. adjectives after nouns, adverbs after verbs, predicate after subject; there's nothing like subject-verb agreement. All that good stuff.
Where it gets difficult for me personally (and I am a native Malay speaker) are the little details like verb affixes. Malay is an agglutinative language, and verbs can carry different meaning depending on what affix you attach to it, and it kept me from getting an A in Bahasa Melayu for most of my elementary years. Also, even just looking at Peninsular Malay alone, there are a ton of dialects. I think I've once read an old text on the Malay language by a British orientalist that said something like you get different dialects of Malay for every river you come across, and sometimes even for every settlement along a branch of a river. Indonesia has an enormous number of languages in its isles other than Indonesian Malay, so some speakers may code-switch between them in conversations, making communication harder in practice.
So yeah, Malay - presumably both Malaysian and Indonesian - is a pretty easy language to begin with and you can get to a decent level of understandibility with a bit of effort, but to really master is a different ordeal. I'll fully admit I'm more confident in my English than my Malay, as embarrassing as it is to say.
Orang Malaysia ke?
Aku bisa cakap Melayu sikit² kerana punya kawan melayu dari South Thai
(Sorry for my bahasa melayu)😅
@@dennyfahrurodzi9516 Nah, no need to apologise for your Malay, _siapa2 yang faham Bahasa Melayu boleh faham apa yang ditulis tu. BM kau OK!_
And indeed, I'm Malaysian! Northern Peninsular Malaysian, specifically, which is why I'm not very comfortable writing in Malay _sebab Basa Melayu hat besa orang pake lain belambok pada Melayu hat aku besa. Basa Melayu hat betulih laghi banyok pada loghat utagha,_ whereas English orthography is for the most part standardised. And there's still a bit of stigma around Northern Peninsular Malay, so. But I'll still use it in speech unapologetically!
_Nak tahu jugak pasal kawan Selatan Thai tu, Melayu yang dia guna Melayu standard ke Melayu berloghat?_ It's cool that you've learnt a language to chat with a friend! Kinda wish I have a friend to learn Japanese with.
@@twotothehalf3725 Dia pakai bahasa Melayu Standard sepertinya, asal Fatoni (Pattani), Narathiwat, dan Satun. Have you heard about that thai provinces?
@@dennyfahrurodzi9516 _Cuma dalam berita dalam TV sahaja, sebab kawasan tu dulu ada banyak gerakan separatis._ Probably still do, since the people in charge over in Bangkok aren't too kind with the Malay Muslim minorities of the south - as I understood it, at least.
@@twotothehalf3725 Ah I see, yes, they are minorities. I had stayed for 2 years in bangkok and lived in Muslim neighbourhood, tapi tak ada clash muslim perantau dengan bangkokian. Tapi aku juga dengar memang ada separatisme, mostly in Songkhla I think.
Anyway, I have a good time chatting with you😁
indonesian become a menace when imbuhan comes into play lol
Japanese is kind of hard to learn, simply due to sheer volume. Its basically 3 different languages combined together. First there's the normal spoken. There there is Kanji. And then there is the reading of Kanji. And then there's all the borrowed words for a multitude of different languages. And then its one of the few languages out there that have Subject, object, verb, instead of the subject verb object (i.e. "the sport I played" vs "I played the sport"), so it doesn't come intuitively to people who don't have that grammar style.
For me it is about the writing system, I still have nightmares.. Kanji is a major hurdle
ID has many many regional dialects too
Simple, just remember as much as you can vocabularys, you're indonesian
Bahasa Indonesia is easy
*Prefixes and suffixes enter the chat*
*Casual form enter the chat*
*Slang words enter the chat*
Learner: this is a certified *dahlah* moment
I might say formal Indonesian language is easy until you hear the natives talk to each other 🤣
Bahasa is easy language not until you find more new language basically came from dirty language 😂
Sora, in reality it's not that easy, because most of the time, they talk daily either in slang language or indigenous language or combination of the two..
When the official language is not really that used in its own country ... XD
@@ManusiaKagakRusuh but still, everyone knows how to use official language even though they don't always use it.
Bahasa Indonesia is studied from elementary to high school, which is 12 years old, even though it doesn't use the official language, it is still studied for 12 years and is often heard on TV and all written books.
for example Kobo, she mostly speaks Indonesian, but she uses a lot of slang words
@@ManusiaKagakRusuh i can't imagine writing my report or thesis not in our official language tho, or they'll fail me.
If you want stay in indonesia. I believe you will more native local language than bahasa indonesia.
True though. Indonesian language doesn't have past, present and future tense or pronouns etc
If you want to refer to a past event you just *refer* to it, you don't need to change to was/were
Keep in mind that some words can have double meaning, like tahu, it's both for "know" and "tofu"
Pretty sure every language has words with double meaning depending on the context.
You don't need pronouns as well. No he/him, she/her, and they/them bullshit just use "Dia"
well, indonesian borrow alot of words from other languages, so **depends from your original language**, it might be easier to learn
Something interesting, indonesian is actually a relatively young language, after all, it was very specifically made to get the many islands a language to talk to each other with
this is also why indonesia actually has a lot of other languages outside of indonesian itself
I think the fact that it is relatively young has helped made it easier to learn mostly cause it doesnt have as long of a history to get unjustifiably difficult like say... english
I remember some polyglot CZcamsrs saying Indonesian is the easiest language to learn
The oldest language usually more complicated and hard to learn but the younger language usually more easy to learn
Its very easy if you just learn the formal language but its hard to reach native level since native always use slang and mixing language with their local or English words.
Indonesian language is basically invented to be used by different ethnicity accross the archipelago, so i had to be easy to learn and understand. Because most indonesian would learn indonesian and their local language, and that local language would influence particular indonesian dialect on each region.
it's easy and simple, even my next door korean elder can speak bahasa.
Its can be quite easy for Japanese to pronounce indonesian language, since we have same "A I U E O"
vowels, you mean
Basaha Indonesia is easy until the locals start adding words from their local languages into the mix
Kalo pada bingung "oh really,is it that easy??" Try look up all holo EN & JP trying to speak Bahasa Indonesia clip, and compare to Holo ID member talking, they said the word almost perfect ,and kinda cute the way they speak it 😁😁😁
I search " easiest language to learn" indonesian always up there
I recommend watching either Ollie, Reine, or Anya if any of you wanna learn some Indonesian but mainly Ollie bcs Reine tend to mix all 3 languages in a sentence and Anya... I don't have to explain about Anya right LMAO THE honorary JP member (but when she DOES speak Indonesian, her pronunciation is one of the easiest to digest). Ollie's great, especially whenever she's just chatting and not playing any games because she mostly makes sure to say most sentences in ALL 3 languages especially when answering viewers' questions. Her pronunciation is clear and solid, and you'll never have to worry about not hearing her, in fact, it's recommended by the hololive wiki that you turn your volume down whenever you watch her HAHA. Jokes aside, she even sometimes talks about the language itself and explains all sorts of things like the grammars and stuff and she'd be more than willing to answer your questions regarding learning Indonesian.
All of ID's 2nd Gen member can fluently speak ID, EN, and JP and that's a deliberate move from YAGOO as he explained in the anniversary TV interview you can find the clips of, because his plan for them was to make them the bridge between all branches and viewers bases. And I may be biased because I'm Indonesian, but I'd say everything is going well according to plan.
On a side note:
If your first language is Japanese and you wanna learn Indonesian, or you're an English speaker who can speak Japanese and wanna learn Indonesian, you'll most probably have an easy time learning it. Like learning Japanese, you'd have to start with learning how to speak formally first to understand the foundations, but you don't have to worry about having to speak formally to Indonesian strangers because we're okay with casual speech as long as you don't say anything explicitly and intentionally rude lmao. We tend to gloss over grammar and tenses unless we really need it (usually during formal stuffs like writing a report at work and such) and the way we pronounce words and letter are mostly uniform across the board. Except for the letter "e". Sometimes it's like the e in the "le" of "letter", sometimes it's like the e in the "ter" of letter.
The only hard part of Indonesian I can think of is that we have this thing: "ng". Now, you might think: "But Gori, that's nothing new, we also have that in English, see?", but here's the catch... Sometimes, we put it IN FRONT of the words. I brought this up because Biboo seemed to struggle with it when Kaela was trying to teach her about it lmao. Here's an example: the Indonesian equivalent of erasing the g from an (v)-ing verb (like livin', drawin', goin'', etc.) is erasing the me- from meng-(v), then adding e after the ng. So, drawing (as verb) = menggambar. Draw (verb)/Picture (noun) = Gambar. But drawin (the slightly casual form of drawing) = NGEgambar. The e after the ng in NGE is pronounced like the a in "a comment". How you pronounce the NG tho... I can't explain that thru text. You just need to watch of the Holo ID girls' streams until you spot one, I guess ;) *wink wink PLS WATCH THEM, THEY DESERVE MORE RECOGNITION AND I'M NOT JUST SAYING THIS BECAUSE I'M INDONESIAN FR FR ON GOD* .
Casual/nonformal Indonesian is easy, you can butcher the grammar and the message would still go through.
Formal Indonesian is such a pain though, reminds me when I got a higher score on Science, English, and even Math exams than Indonesian 🗿
The only hard from learning Indonesian is the pronounciation, especially for japanese like Sora where whe have a lot of LR
I'm literally incapable of speaking formally in Malay, let alone formal Indonesian, because the formal mode feels, to not mince words, archaic and doesn't roll off the tongue like the casual mode.
Also, formal Malay doesn't sound like it can used outside of formal occasions and in casual conversation, unlike formal Japanese or formal English, which I think I'm using at the moment, ironically.
And for a bonus, by learning Indonesian you also would be able to understand Malaysian language for a bit!
but they don't use Malay in Malaysia, they use English
@@rvannord Cmon bro, don't expose your true toxic culture outside of ASEAN region. You don't want other people outside of ASEAN to know your country better
@@rentan2818 u can't take a fact?
@@rvannord
Really ? ...
But in Upin Ipin and Boboiboy they use Malay language ...
Are they not ? ...
@@rvannord I’d say most malaysians have a grasp of speaking Malay language, but they tend to speak English more , or chinese
Korean might be one of the hardest language to learn.
Depends on where you're from. If you're Japanese, it's the easiest language to learn. They have similar structures. If you're from the west, it's pretty hard.
Thai doesn't seem that hard either maybe some words that sound similar could be pronounced wrong . It has like a set alphabet of 44 symbols and 16 vowel symbols . No past tense or plurals . Words can be puzzled together to form a word like: flight machine = plane . I think not all objects have their own words . Maybe the order how sentences are made not so easy getting used to . Example , a westerner would say : What is this ? A Thai person would say : This what is it ? I learned the language from my mom. But except from listening to her i never had the opportunity to use it. Because i live in Europe . And i never learned the writing whatsoever . But i plan to brush up on it when i'm about to early retire .
Just hard like kanji grammar similar type with sanksekerta word
@@z.2023 At least there doesn't exist 2000+ of them .
yea i think for a japanese person is kinda hard for the sentence order and vice versa. but if your first language is english itd be much easier, the diff would be the phrase order
@@piskamil7315 Indonesia word was hard when you make Standard words that match kkbi (big Indonesian dictionary) with same word but different subjects,easy to say all of Language Has its own characteristics if it is further deepened both idioms and slang and the addition of loanwords
I automatically assume a language is harder to learn if it has pitch accent. Plus you need to study the writing as well. So compared to Indonesian, Thai is hard.
Indo try grooming sora arc?
Depends on your first language
it is easy but....many word can be use for different meaning, yet somehow someway you also understand which meaning the word is used for.
tldr : easy, but complicated, yet it make it easier
As an Indonesian
Yes Indonesian is Easy
I dont even need to learn it :D
Kukira channel channel peraup untung dari penonton nasionalis, eh ternyata channel luar ya ini, ga nyangka bikin clip ginian
Indonesian has sentence structure but unlike most language we don't have tenses, no change in past or future tenses and simply add adverb(?) to indicate those times is enough... I think the simplicity itself is the hard part
Agreed. The structure of our language is barely consistent, especially in casual level.
As a Vietnamese, I have a feeling that any other languages is easier than ours.
just curious, between viet and mandarin which is the harder one? because i know those 2 languages are tonal language. thanks!
@@rrrrrrio3762 As far as I know, both Vietnamese and Mandarin are languages in which intonation dictate a word meaning. They are as hard as each other in that aspect. However, Vietnames is easier to learn due to using Latin alphabet while Mandarin uses Hanji which is a completely different writing system.
@@thegemguy1334 oh my lawd... i give up learning intonation languages.
From what I heard you can learn Indonesian in 4 months if you really try.
Indonesian has the fewest rules in the world. Make Indonesian easy to learn.
-The Indonesian language is the Austronesian language family
Some features of the Indonesian language =
1. Indonesian is not a tonal language.
2. Simple phonology and orthography The sentence structure of SVO is simple.
3.In general, one letter only represents one sound.
( Consistent pronunciation and spelling ).
4. There is no grammatical case inflection
5. There is no grammatical gender
6.No plural form ( Explicit plural form made by reduplication){ Reduplication means repetition of words }[ example :(house=rumah) (houses=rumah-rumah)]
7. No verb conjugation!
8. Using Latin script (used in 90% of languages in the world)
9.No silent letters
UWOOOOOOOOOOGHHHHH SORA-CHWANNNNNNNNNN
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From what's being suggested(some of the skimmed comments), it sounds more like maybe Indonesian isn't as picky about grammatic structure. Although saying it'd be easy might involve a little nativity bias(as Sora mentions, saying Japanese is difficult is harder to comprehend as someone who's a native, and you can make that distinction with most languages).
Other comments about how some of the words can span into other languages is another detail that you could probably apply to most languages that've encountered other cultures... Once the cultures intermingle, words begin to cross pollinate. Once they cultural integration progresses far or for long enough, words can even become part of the language. Then there's looking at these things from a colonial POV, and that tends to supercharge the process as the newcomers force their culture onto the natives instead of the other way round.
it's not that we aren't picky about grammatical structure, it is more like the indonesian grammar isn't complicated at all. just remember SPOK (Subject, Predicate, Object, and Details (Time, place, etc)) and you good to go. there isn't really gender pronoun, adjective, verb, or adverb. it's really a straight forward language means for unify indonesian people
After learned a couple of languages, I've come to realize that my native language ( Bahasa Indonesia ) is actually quite complicated and kinda hard to learn. Not as hard as Japanese though, but still
Native languageS ARE build different ... XD
@Tjakra Birawa don't try to control things we can't bro
@Tjakra Birawa Because we simply say the word 'English', 'Japanese', or 'Indonesian' and understand the meaning through context. If I say "I'm studying Indonesian" then you know it's the language. If I meant the people I'd use plural Indonesians and if I meant the country I would say Indonesia.
Yahaha, nilai ujian b.indo jelek, nulis karya ilmiah/laporan kena revisi mulu ya? Sama 😂
Cute
Master bahasa and you have 2 countries you wont have problems communicating in
Its actually true, just stay there for 6 months, and you will be able to take care of personal papers by yourself
its easy because theres no present-past-future tense
Welp, considering Indonesian language is mix between local and overseas language, its not a suprise thats the language is easy to learn by everyone.
indonesia is easy i mean we indonesian already have our local language and learning indonesia just comes natural it's so simple you don't need to learn it specifically to make a sentence just throw a few word and that's it ,
True. It's easy to learn Indonesian if you just want to reach conversational level. But from that point onward it's hard. Very hard. I bet Japanese would be much easier to learn if there are no Kanji and pitch accent. That two things are the greatest barrier for me.
non formal everyday indonesian is very easy to learn. however the formal one is so fking hard istg lol
Saya suka sora : Watashi suki sora
for the example, push with verb -ing in Bahasa means mendorong, the template is me + dorong, but the "me" verb has a variants depending what it connects to, such as me, men, mem.
also we just have verb 2 and doesnt have verb 3, the verb 2 sounds as ter+verb, for the example; captured in Bahasa means tertangkap. It's easy.
Actually, passive verbs are verb 3. What we don't have is verb 2
@@Handepsilon ah, i forgot the function of verb 2 in english.
Easiest lol when most of us Indonesian can't even get high score at our native languag
Cant wait for kelapa vs kepala
yes true, but u wont be able to understand daily conversation if u learn the academic way.
daily conv is way different with what u learn in school etc
The key is Indonesia language similar to romaji pronunciation 👍
Ngeliat komen2 org, kocak2 bet wkwkwk
Tbf, proper Bahasa Indonesia is one of the easiest language to learn. But, in daily basis (to speak like a native), Indinesian dont use proper bahasa Indonesia that often. So, easy to learn the proper one, insanely hard to advance to the native level for the foreigner.
Yes! It's pretty easy to learn Indonesian to be precise the formal ones, but you'd face some problems when slang comes to bit ur as
6 years learning deep Literature of Indonesian, barely crossing mark of 8/10. It's hard to do as I need to not use any "absorbed language" to study, only pure Indonesian translate. . .
But for everyday conversation, using slang or any absorbed language is ok.
Javanesse here, yes indonesian is easy to learn, except its exam. hurt my eyes by looking at the wall of question text.
Hmm… as someone learning Indonesian (native: American English) I would say it’s an easier time than learning Japanese, but I feel that’s just because Indonesian is a Roman language and Japanese is not, so with Japanese I had to learn a new alphabet before I could start into vocabulary and grammar (and keep learning two more alphabets as well (at least kana even if I could get by without much kanji). I don’t know if I’d say the grammar is any easier, but it could just be experience screwing with my perception
well, I ever heard a News that ID language considered as potent language that could dominate the SEA region after Malay suggested their language to be the one which able to do that.
the statement from Malay were refused by their own people as their new generation aren't actually fluent with their own language, instead they use english.
surprisingly many Malay admitted how powerful the ID language that even in Australia to Philips they have ID language as their sub lesson. even Thor from avenger movie able to speak Indonesian.
yet Malay says, the ID language unlike other language, they evolved time by time.
they say, their words structure changed shortly after their independence yet still bear the same pronounce and meaning, and it keep evolving to this day.
it's actually interesting.
still, for the one with languange which keep evolved, ID still considered an easy language to learnt is unbelievable~
well it is yes but actually no..
yes for the basic..
no for the intermediate and advance..
The origin of Indonesian Language is Melayu, which is the common people language. Used for trade across south east asia, its nickname is the market language.
There is no complicated tenses like future, past, present; no gendered noun, no complicated verb conjugation.
On the flipside, it has relatively small amount of vocabularies, making translation from rich languages difficult.
It also has many local dialect and the slang is evolving all the time. And the formal language added new invented words every year - to keep up with demand.
The small vocabulary kinda explains why I tend to struggle when translating my thoughts because I think in English but I speak in Malay, which is weird now that I put it in words and gave it some thought.
Hard to reach native level.. i dont know
for example "km kmn? gpp kn? kmrn k rmh km, km g ad"
I also heard Japanese is easy to learn but I just realize it's harder than Korean 😢😂
Bro wdym Japanese is one of the hardest languages to learn
Maybe it will tough for japanese tongue because the rolling r
Wait until you meet the concept of 'dong', 'kan', 'sih', 'lah' etc.
(if you know, you know)
Theres no tense, thats for sure
Bahasa is pretty easy, until someone mixed with slang & local language T_T
But at least most Indonesian people know bahasa
Iya mudah, belum tahu aja pas belajar imbuhan-imbuhan 🗿
Say this indonesian word:
mempertanggungjawabkannyalah