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Kiara Impressed and Wondering How Indonesia People Fluent at a lot of Languages
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- čas přidán 25. 03. 2022
- tbh in my opinion, the education system is bad almost at really bad level its just that our tongue is really flexible so we can easily learn another languages
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To answers Kiara's question :
Based on my experience, most Indonesian knows at least 2 languages, Bahasa Indonesia and their local region languages (such as Sundanese, Javanese etc) or Bahasa Indonesia and English. We also learnt English from kindergarten until high school. In Highschool you will see 2 majors to choose, science or social. If you pick social major its high chances you'll get another language lesson usually either Germany, Japanese, Korean, or French.
So in conclusion, its not that rare to see people who are fluent in 3 languages or so.
I think this applies to SEA people in general. In the Philippines, most people's primary language is their regional language (may include multiple dialects of said language), followed by Filipino (tbf, it's mostly just Tagalog with lots of borrowed words from other languages), and then English. Additional languages beyond that are also mostly self-taught.
I bet it's the same with Malaysians, Vietnamese, Cambodians, etc.
Yeah most people are able to speak two languages. And by the time they are able to speak english, they become trilingual.
Also, some islamic schools here make arabic a compulsory foreign language subject besides english
There is 3rd major choice at 2nd year of high school, that's probably called linguistic albeit probably only for 1 or 2 class. So Science, Social and linguistic.
I think the social major language lesson only apply to some schools. Mine doesn't have that but we have Mandarin & English for both science & social
Meanwhile Indonesia itself has 718 regional languages and some of the residents do not necessarily understand their respective regional languages.💀
True
I trust they pick , the one that fluent in more languages cuz that's some + point and can easily doing an interaction with their senpai
Also can do mix branch collab
I feel like the JP branch also does this since HoloX. Lui can basically converse in english just fine, Sakamata is pretty basic level but at least above average. Also the upcoming Holostars gen, Uproar, I see at least 2 of them can have written english conversation on twitter, and it didnt feel like they use translation machine
I think its just most that audition usually weebs that learn japanese in their past time.
but Indonesia is the country with the most trilingual users in the world
@@neku2741 probably this. Indonesia has a lot of weebs too and Indonesians by necessity are able to pick up languages pretty quickly.
To add the comments:
I don't know whether this is 100% true, but part of the reason why Indonesians can master a lot of language is because bahasa Indonesia (and many other local languages here, i think) don't have any specific rules in it (like in English where the "r" Is not pronounced in some words) and the words are just from alphabet. This makes our tongue somewhat "flexible" and we can study other languages and their rules easily.
yeah it's very easy to learn another language if you can speak Indonesian, there are many languages from all over the world that are also mixed in it, because indonesia language was made for that purpose because every city has a different language
But that's also weakness when they learned language with that feature. Most Indonesians will fumbled when pronouncing German words and some mandarin, but will be at home with Spanish.
Well, it's easy, really. Quoting someone on the web;
"How to be bilingual in 2 easy steps.
Step 1. Not be a native English speaker
Step 2. Discover the internet."
Dang, that's how ASEAN can speak more than 2 languages at default, just learn by curiosity and some interest u can able to do it step by step
This.
Welp, I failed step 1... 🙁
3. be a dedicated"weeb" 🤭
Basically this honestly, if you're born somewhere that doesn't use english as its main language, there's a high chance you'll have english as your second or third language, cuz it is the most popular language used internationally.
said the one who speaks german, english and japanese while learning other herself, kiara also is a great multilingual learner!
also its mainly due to the flexibility of one's mother tongue and indonesian's language has relatively simple, adaptive and flexible tongue in the first place.
I also heard she can speak Chinese too
@@alvinjan3486 Mandarin?
For the people who don't know, we indonesians usually can speak at least 2 or 3 languages. One is our primary language bahasa Indonesia, second is our regional language, and third is english. Anything besides that usually a self thought thing.
Although there are some highschools that taught you japanese and german
actually, a lot of Indonesian first and primary language is regional language not Bahasa Indonesia, i even know someone who can't speak Bahasa Indonesia
Yeah it's the other way around, Indonesian language is most people 2nd language
same as the Philippines
also theres arabic and/or mandarin
Same with us Filipinos actually. Well, us from the Southern Part of Philippines at least. Most of the northerners only know Tagalog.
From what I understand SEA people has alot of otaku’s / kpop fans. School teaches us national language, english. Family teach us their dialects or at least we pick it up after hearing it from day2day conversations
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FYI, Indonesia is the most Trilingual country in the world right now, i've met many people speak Javanese (native), Bahasa (Fluent) and English (Fluent).. actually japanese & korean languages aren't very popular as much as english in here tho
My guess is that Korean for K-pop or drama, and Japanese for anime or otaku subculture in general.
Brother??!?
@@sani8443 yes, most of them that fluent in japanese & korean are self taught
@@BuckOne01 don't forget that we also send workers to Japan, Korea, Germany, and other countries too. So, that's increase the number.
@@sani8443 like every weebs in the world to be fair, whether its korean or japanese thing 🤷🏻♂️
I'm happy that Kiara said our education system is good because it is totally wrong (lmao! I am definitely not learning any English from our education system. You need to take extra classes outside school system for that)
These are the reasons why we learned more than 1 language:
1. I could speak this as SEA people that our native language is most likely useless in the future. We have to at least know one language which are used internationally for example English, Mandarin, Korean, Japanese, Spanish, German, French, or Arabic.
2. We are so exposed to international contents that most of us ended up being self-taught for foreign language. I learned English from subbed anime, Japanese by listening to anime songs and watching anime, and Korean while watching variety show.
3. Indonesia has so many languages and ethnics. Our national language is basically a new language to incorporate all the differences but most of us learned our ethnic language as well.
so overall, it is not surprising to see Indonesian to know more than 3 languages and could talk in more than 4 ethnic accents, especially if you are coming from big cities. Pretty sure SEA bros are also in similar situation.
Traditional language, Indonesian language, and English. These are the languages in Indonesian. So ya 3 are the most common
Beside regional language and Indonesian, a lot of Indonesian people know basic English. People who knows Japanese usually loves anime.
or they got scholarship.
Some highschool have languages extracurricular. meanwhile in some other highschool, you can choose languages as your major, you can choose between Mandarin, Japanese, Korean, etc.
@@user-sh2sg2ss3s my highschool has french
@@user-sh2sg2ss3s and it's a fact that Japanese class is basically weebs gathering.
@@ridhoardipratama7978 yeah, there's a lot languages major depends on the highschool.
True, en jp indonesian + dialects + korean ( iofi knows german so thats a bonus )
indonesian 101 :
speaks 4-5 language = very rich
speaks 3-4 language = rich
speaks 2-3 language = properly educated (usually a college graduate)
speaks 1-2 language = decently educated
speaks 1 language = peasant
i kinda laugh at the speak 1 languange = peasant. Cause in a way i agree with you, with all the experiences that i had watching a indonesian streamer/vtuber speaks english and there should be at least 1 guy who would say "gak bisa bahasa inggris". LOL
i beg to differ but i think speaks more than 5 language, does not mean that person is very rich.
just needs to travel to lots of places (doing voluntary activity or something like that)
I just think it's cool that they all seem to know how to speak English and find it fascinating that a few of the members (Reine and Zeta, specifically) seem to speak it quite fluently with no accent. Really, it just makes me wish the American school system pushed other languages at us from childhood because it would be SO VALUABLE later in life. All I got growing up was shitty Spanish classes in high school and after 4 years of it I can't speak or understand the language really at all aside from knowing a few phrases and random vocabulary words. I really love that the ID girls can speak so many languages because it makes the possibility of collabs that much easier between the different branches.
I think because Indonesia have a lot local language, multi roots ancestry and very different each other, that's forced learning other just to understand.
Our phoenix looking hot and cute as always love her so much :') the new members debut was nice :'D
We have new people in this nice rabbit whole
Fun Fact, in Indonesia, the majority of people are Indonesian, their mother tongue is not Bahasa Indonesia, Bahasa Indonesia is their second language🤔
soo true
Yes so truee
true, we have lots culture and race. and they have own speak too. even in your neighboor city there re different "language" and accent ahahhahha
Except people that was born around Jakarta
nah i live in sumatera and most of our first language is indonesian (not even malay)
I think mostly indonesian people is interest with another language, at least every school in indonesia learn english. In my case
Elementary school & Junior High School i was taught english and mandarin
High school German or Japanese depending on what major you choose.
In my junior high School we learn 4 language Arab, eng, japanese, and mandarin
I can 100% sure thats its not our education system, our education system is suck ass.
"good education system"
Even among ID theres literally hundred of local language and dialect, my mom and my dad spoke dif local language, and if big family gathering theres like 10 or more local dialect, so maybe this is why ID talent tend to be multilingual
Bahahaha Adalah Benar 😂
if we talk about indonesian old era basicly they're like korea or japan or china
we stuck at our language n our region tribe language our accent is stuck as well
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but if we talk about indonesian this days
it's common
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usually the citizen learned 2 language wich the native indonesia language and region tribe language
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but we got some addition because the majority our regios is moeslem so we are common speaking arab language because of the holy book qur'an is using arabian n we use arab language for reticing on praying
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then we got some bonus if they're chinese or arabian or indian
because their families environment had diff language as well
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so our tongue is flexible
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n then we learned addition language english at school from kindergarden primary elementary junior high college. we got more bonus n becomes more flexible
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n when on junior n high school the diff school has their more extra language studies
such a mandarin, arab, japan, france, deutch, german (depend on the school)
on my friends school the got mandarin on junior n japan at his high school
on my case my junior is arab n my high school is france
and maybe i'm kinda ppl who learn fast n like language so it's smooth even though im not used that again since graduate so much forgotten things happened lmao
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and if the people got hobby or like anime or something about japan wich is weeb/wibu/weabo they can learn japanese as well, it's happened alot like me iofi anya ollie risu n bunch of ppl like that
we got easier to learn bcs our tongue alrd flexible from the experience
and if they got halyu/korean wave from kpop n korean drama, they'll found korean is interesting n u know they'll learn korean language as well, it's happened at iofi as well, and my lit sister is like that, but i'm not interested so i'm pass
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something like this maybe happened on malaysia thailand n philipine singapore as well
but their quantity is the different
indonesia n philipine n singapore n malaysia maybe is the one who are much common
Yagoo is playing real life gacha and is able to pull *SSR* talents. Every. Single. Time. (ノ°ο°)ノ
To answer kiara question, Yes being a bilingual / tringual is COMMON in Indonesia atleast 90% of indonesia people can speak 2 language (Bahasa Indonesia(main language) and their Local Language) if not (Bahasa Indonesia and English), but japanese and korea is not a language that most indonesian learn, some people can speak jp and kr language because K-POP and Anime community is big in indonesia.
3 out of 4 of my indo friends has great grammar and english fluency. they said most highschoolers there are decently fluent already.they also mentioned about some local languages that are also quite different from the usual bahasa. o7
Most of Indonesian at least fluent in 2 languages, traditional and Indonesia language. We learn English from elementary-high school, and train it with talking or just from listening music. Japanese or Korean mostly learn themself, like from their interest such as anime/manga/korean drama. For example i learn Japanese to better know about raw manga/non sub anime.
*Local dialect
Well some areas in Indonesia has their own local languages, usually bahasa Indonesia is their 2nd language. There's not few people who don't know how to speak english. Actually these talents are so smart that they can learn multiple language. I truly respect that.
I mean in ID, at least in school we learn Indonesia and English as a compulsory lesson, and we also have many local language (Sundanese, Javanese, Madurai etc)
Want to add something to the comment section.
Yes ,at the very least ,Most Indos can speak even if not in the most fluent way,2 languages, either Bahasa and Local Region languages or Bahasa and English. Some elementary to junior high private schools also teach Mandarin. And in Highschool ,most schools give you 2 options, either social or science, but some also have language (i don't know if its still a common curriculum or not).
Sadly in my school, they do not provide such thing as learning other languages like others in the comment section (even in social class) and only English because its one of the primary subject. But what i can say from my experience, we sometimes do absorb language(s) like sponge and water (mostly the basic i must say), because from early age we already/must do so to interact with our family, community and friends which if we weren't able to, things probably were gonna get a bit difficult in the long run.
Also, the flexibilty in our tongue, probably comes from the fact that our national language, Bahasa ,is developed through many cultures that has stayed/passed since the 5th century. And the characteristic of simplicity and phonetically spoken of our language makes us more easily accept new languages(?).. that's just my interpretation (correct me if im wrong please).
TL:DR ver: Basically we're just a language version of Adapt. Survive. Overcome
p.s : sorry if there's bad english in there
Most Indonesian is either bilingual or trilingual. The first and second will be regional language and Indonesian, the third will be English. In my school, we also learn Mandarin. In highschool there will also be afterschool activities, there's french class, german, etc. My school is also collaborating with a korean school and uni so they also have korean class and exchange program. My school is also planning to collab with a japanese school soon.
Although I don't think most Indonesian is as lucky as I am, but from what I know if you are already a bilingual learning another language will be easier.
true, I also have that Mandarin class lol
An IB school kid huh
I think it also helped that we do consume western media voraciously, we are not contained in our bubble so we have the immediate contexts to apply what we learned.
My school taught me French, and there's the entire country of England and then an ocean between Scotland and anywhere you can actually practice it. So everyone forgets French.
3 because Indonesia has local and our base language, and english is like a must language on our school, at least mine. I have like 6 different english subject throughout my school, like geeez. (I have the time when I hate English, ngl)
For other language, let's just say thanks to people on WW. I feel like because of them invading us we got an education from them. Like litteraly my school has language extracurricular, and they are Japanese, Chinese, Dutch, and Korean.
I've said it once and I'm gonna say it again. Indonesia is the world in the nutshell.
there's a lot of Indonesians that can speak 2 languages, dare i say there are more people that speak multiple language than those who only speak one.
There was a time when people complained not knowing English but luckily we have minyak sayur and a few others doing live tl
Yeah, the majority of people speak Bahasa Indonesia as 2nd language. Me too.
@@Panjangl Minyak sayur is insane, he always helps us to translate in 3 languages.
@@Panjangl he has my utmost respect for being able to translate so fast to the point youtube bans him
Ya, congratulations he got 1k subs
".....either they just have a really good education sistem"
Indonesians:
*Laugh in kurikulum*
Poor Moona 😅
She the only one who couldn't speak Japanese in HoloID so far 😅
Let's see how next 2 members
When I was on Vacation in Indonesia I got along with English exceedingly well, since like 90% of the people spoke it at least at a good conversational level; the only problem was the very occasional incomprehensible accent. But what really surprised me was how many people would, upon learning where I'm from, bust out perfectly adequate basic German or French (the latter mostly better than mine, embarrassingly enough).
To be honest, as an Indonesian, I can speak 4 languages, Indonesian, English and 2 regional languages. ...
1:31 i almost spitted and chocked when she talk about the education system
"Do they have good education system?" Hahaha kiara, that's definitely not the reason.
We spoke 2 Language
Bahasa Indonesia and Our Regional Born Language.
And from Studying in School
Even if you get job outside of the main island you must learn their regional language to survive.
Wow, never thought there was so many people here respect for indonesian
You guys also got my respect 🙏🙏
(Btw my language was only indonesian, english, japan (little), and bali)
Based on my High School experience, I'm studied 4 languages :Native in my case is Basa Sunda, Bahasa Indonesia, English and Japanese. But in other school they teach Germany rather than Japanese
Yea. My high school teach German instead of Japanese
Yup my high school has Bahasa class, and I'm at Bahasa class itself and most major languages such English, Japanese, Mandarin, German, etc we consume all of them even though hard to understand like Japanese and mandarin cause different writing systems(even though I'm weeb), and the worst grade at mathematics in school
Or me learn in islamic boarding school have learn 2 language ✨
"Back in my day, when we debuted..."
-Granma kiwawa
lol, indonesia education system is only mid at best
but nowadays the citizens like to consume overseas media more than domestic media
which leads them to always hear the language, which in the end makes them have an understanding of the language and are able to speak the language
Of course, to be able to read the language is a different story because Japanese and Korean have very different letters system from the Indonesian and English letter systems
So yes, those who can read the language are usually very enthusiastic about the country of that language (usually because of anime / kdrama / kpop)
those who do not understand English or other foreign language are usually because they do not live in cities and in areas where there is no internet provider, which causes them to only consume domestic media, which causes them to rarely interact with foreign languages
Education system is really not an excuse since some part of the private school are not categorized as part of the public one. of course I'm not sayin that all the private school are no better than the public one. but base on my lil research about private school on Indonesia, some of the private school has a better accreditation than the public one.
In conclusion, the shittier our local entertainment are, the higher number of multilingual teenagers is
Our education is AT LEAST better than Japan's when it comes to english. You got a point there too tho.
@@takecareyoself5379 long ago, I always felt like having heart attack watching drama with same meaning everyday
@@gilangignasraharjo6138 I think it depends on how much English affects one's society. People in my country often make fun of Japan for how bad their English skill is in general, but the way I see it, it's simply because the country doesn't necessarily have to rely on the said language to survive and people to get a job whereas in my country it is a redundant requirement.
Bukan cuman edukasi nya, tetapi lidah orang Indonesia lebih ga kaku di banding negara lain, jadi lebih kedengeran fluent
*Must have skill (At least for the educated people here)
#Indonesia - Bahasa Indonesia (Of course we should know our own language)
#English - Normal subject in every school (Just like most of school in the world)
*Your choice
#Javanese/Sundanese/etc - Regional language and also the reason why Bahasa Indonesia/Indonesian language system created (Indonesia is huge you know, it's as if JPN, KOR, SG, etc become 1 big country with each region still keep their respective language and culture)
#Chinese - Sometimes... in some private school, this is normal subject for them (2nd after English)
#Japanese - Popular otaku language (Anime is huge here)
#Korean - Popular since the explosion of KPop and KDrama
The rest are just extra... small percentage (If someone like it, want to work there, hobby, etc)
Here in the philippines or at least in my region know about 3 languages by the time they hit 1st grade. I started learning japanese since its the most common partner with computer science schools here so we're way more likely to get a job from a japanese company.
We use our local language for communication and learn the national language at school or through tv. English is simple since everything is written in english also movies and videogames.
But a lot of words are also quite similar to indonesian except they have way different meanings so some actually try to learn it.
Its more or less lifestyle than actually education system.
Honestly as an indonesian bilingual or trilingual people here is super common
There is a lot of races here with different languages in Indonesia, so i guess learning new one isn't really that hard(?) Idk. but they say if you can learn other language other than your mother tongue it's gets easier to learn new one
And it is especially easy to learn japanese at least for the pronunciation because it's similar to Indonesian on how you read A I U E O
For legit answers, I believe It has to do with our history since Indonesia got invaded by European countries since 1509. Languages became mixed with each other and throughout decades our species has flexible tounge because we've been through any culture shock challenges. Since we got our sovereignty after Japan lose in WW2, our ancestors build an Ideology which simply means to respect each other cultures and be united. That is why we have so much talent for different cultures, we simply love all of them.
Yes, it's a common thing there, but Kiara out of literally everyone in Hololive who isn't ID YOU are the least qualified to be shocked and surprised about it lol. It's not a competition, but damn girl count your own languages.
They're learned from the past,
senpais is the pioneer, but also a legend.
Yeah Hololive Indonesia is popular in America and other English-speaking countries, so they definitely choose girls who can speak English as well. Speaking Japanese is also a plus in auditions because they can collab with Hololive Japan much more easily.
Indonesia have many differents language in local and if they move to other city maybe will hear the local language of the city and must understand it but if dont just use basic indonesians language.
I, in first place dont wanna learn new language is just most thoughts in my head but after move local island (java > kalimantan) on 7 years I'm used to new of their language, and then a feeling of wanting to learn another new language came into my mind.
Most people who are multilingual are people who are forced to learn and rarely know people who are interested in a new language in my experience
It's possible that people will be able to have multiple languages if the country has a variety of languages too and they are interested too
At least we Indonesian learn 4 to 5 languages: Indonesian, English, 1or 2 local language, 1 extra language self taught
Anime and K-drama are really popular amongst Indonesian youth so that really sparks the interest in Japanese and Korean language respectively. Also we watch them in their original language with sub, that might help for people who wants to learn
The way Kiara said "debut" sounds like "debus" in my ears
Indonesia and rest of SEA countries made by multiple cultures and languages, so its common for them to learn more than 1 language
and with Internet, and their hobbies, learning japanese or other language is easy for them since they already motivated and know what to expect beforehand.
No, education in here (Indonesia) is not that good. But I think it is because in the high school we have a Japanese lesson as an additional subjects because Japanese investment here is quite high. It is just taught you the very basics (not even reaching N5 level for 3 years) but it is enough to be a trigger some people to be a self learner. And also it boosted by the anime culture.
Me, as an example, didn't think have enough talent to learn language because at that point my english is not fluent enough, let alone a language that has a 2000+ f*cking random character. But after starting learn Japanese at high school it makes me want to learn more and here I am after 3 years self taught passed N3.
To add more what the comments said. because speaking multiple languange is so common here, learning more is just a matter of interest. Also its not as hard anymore because the brain already condition to the many languange/dialect since child.
said by Kiara who is not any less amazing in that regard.
hey we have 273 Million++ people in Indonesia
how can we not have talented people like that. ofc we have them if the bureaucracy is good. thanks Hololive. Thanks Yagoo for finding these talents
Well you know SEA things, Indonesia Malaysia, Philippines, Singapore. Their first language is most likely regional language and then Bahasa Indonesia or other way around, then English ofc the lingua Franca, then In high school most school taught either france, Japanese or Germany. Well that at least what i know in Indonesia can't confirm anything for the other SEA but i'm pretty sure English is a primary language for SEA, most people understand it or a passive speaker at the very least.
and to add more, Iofi often use Regional Language that is Sundanese she even taught Sundanese from time to time. She even taught Sundanese sanskrit that is soo hard to read.
So it's not that the education system is good if i have to say we have so many things to improve, but at least it's free from 1st grade to 12th grade for public school so can't complain much about it either.
Well I think in most highschools, they introduced other languages like Japanese, German, and even French. And some students probably picked an interest to learning more about these languages and continue to improve themselves.
But I'd say for some of HoloID, the girls are pretty special breed that can speak or at least understand 3+ languages (Bahasa, and 2 foreign languages). Other Indonesians probably only understand Bahasa, English/other foreign language, and local language.
I've never really met someone who can speak Bahasa, English, other foreign language, and local language at the same time.
Remember how Moona's debut going? That one is a mess.
I laughed so hard at *"Good Education System"* part. As an Indonesian I heard that like a bullsh*t.
Lol same. From what i experience is, i don't learn any sh*t from school, i learn everything myself. That's how bad Indonesia's Education System
Well English is the money language, so if you wanna be employed in Indonesia learning the langauge can boost your chance of getting employed, same with Mandarin. JP is usually self-taught because it's the waifu lingo and KR well cuz KPOP. Other than that, usually Indonesians learn their local languages first then Bahasa Indonesia. I'm born in Jakarta and my parents barely taught me their local language so I can't speak it but I can make out what was being talked about and answer in Bahasa Indonesia. So, maybe that's why.
Most people in SEA known at least 3 languages (native languages, 2nd language - mostly English, and 3rd language of their choices).
Me myself know how to speak in my native Malay, and English as my 2nd language, and understand a bit of Arabic (since imma Muslim, Arabic is my religion language), Japanese (my hobby language). And plan to learn German and Russian as part of my interest in learning WW2 history in their language.
Short answer, education system in regards to language education is just as bad as any other country when they want to teach their students a foreign language.
In terms of languages that we speak, usually people know 2 languages from the get go as in Indonesian and whatever their regional language is (for example javanese and sundanese), as for English, most people (at least in the island of Java which is the most populated) can *understand* them quite well and can speak in a basic manner, but in terms of speaking English fluently with almost no hint of an accent like most holoID members can, then no.
Speaking English fluently with almost no hints of an accent is still a rarity here, even in the capital. As for other foreign languages beside English, then it's just a hobby. The people that you see in the ID cast are a rarity when it comes to foreign language fluency. These people are spectacular.
As far as i know
First of all, a lot of Indonesian people known at least 2 languages Bahasa Indonesia and their local language (like Javanese, sundanese, etc) and also most of the school in our country teach at least 2 languages (English and Indonesia) but can be as much as 4 or more (other language like our local language, Arabic or some even have German, France or Japanese language)
Second, as far as i know in Indonesia your language competency can add to your value when you try to something, so more languages you can speak more value add to yours.
indonesian and english from school, if they know japanese means they watch anime, korean language means they love k-pop/k-drama
cronologically (for some if not most Indonesian) .. it start with bahasa (Indonesian national language) and ethnical language (from both side of the parents, so it can be 1 or more)... when we enter elementary school, we learn english... in mid school we learn some other extra/curricular language (usually japanese, arabic, mandarin, germany, french, and/or some others)... and then, hobby based learning (anime-lover with japanese, k-pop lover with korean, some people choose learning languages as their hobby)
so, Zeta probably have more than 4 languages if we include the ethnical/tribal language...but that would be TMI and/or Doxx if she tell us about it. :) me my self I have 5 total... and currently learning japanese and korean(this is why I'm watching these people)
one other country that might have a similar case is probably India.
We folks here at SEA tend to learn and speak at least 3 languages growing up
As an Indonesian, I agree that our educational system is pretty advanced. But the problem is that some kids are just too lazy with learning and ends up uneducated. Basic Indonesian schools usually have English, Mandarin and Sudanese as their language subject so it's common to see us speaking 3-5 languages
Maybe because some people consume outside media more than their own country. Like i never really want to learn english but i heard it in movies or cartoons a lot with subtitle, so i would remember the word or sentence meaning. I never tried to learn japanese, but i knew the meaning of "arigatou".
Most Indonesian children learn 3 languages in school: Indonesian, their tribal language, and English. (The other languages are just extras usually)
Well idk if this true or not, but English has been a Mandatorial Lesson to take in schools. Them understanding more than 2 is up to them if they want to broaden their horizon
Can confirm, alot of countries have english as a subject so yeah
I think that having English as a first language is what makes it difficult to have the need to learn a second or third language is why. Since En is widely used while ppl in Indonesia definitely have to learne their local language, Bahasa Indonesia, then English to communicate with external businesses etc.
I'm trying to learn Italian but whenever I hear English I just default to it immediately and that's my trouble.
Most younh people are at least bilingual if not trilingual, you get English lesson since elementary and another foreign language (usually Germany or Japanese) at high school
And those who likes k-pop tends to study Korean
In my opinion Malay (The root of Bahasa Indonesia) makes the user's tongue flexible to speak in other languages. To answer that question, we need to go back to understand how and why Bahasa Indonesia has been created.
Back in the days when Bahasa Indonesia is not even the lingua franca yet, there are so many people from their own region each with their own mother languages such as Javanese, Betawi, Sundanese, Borneo, Papua, and hundreds more. Our so called founding fathers need to unite all of these people. But to unite also means we have to understand each other regardless where we come from. So they expand Malay language to create Bahasa Indonesia. In the first place, the main purpose of Bahasa Indonesia is to unite all of different people with different languages (at least those from Nusantara). This new language (Bahasa Indonesia) is pretty simple and has straightforward pronunciation. This simplicity makes the user who learn Bahasa Indonesia first as their mother language able to learn other complex languages.
And yeah because Malay is the root of Bahasa Indonesia, SEA also has this tongue flexibility.
It's actually pretty interesting. I also wonder the evolution of Malay language itself from thousand years ago. Because geographically, SEA has been the intersection of world trade activity. Maybe that's also why Malay language makes the user tongue flexible.
I can guarantee one thing, its not because the education system.
Kiara : either they just have a really good education system
Indonesian who got red mark on Indonesian Language : *smily face 😊
Me: well..... we have so many regional language, it's also helping us to adaptation with so many language like Arab, Korean and of course Japan
We've been used to it since we were born. It would be strange if it being monolingual in a country with a lot of languages
its natural to have ur own regional + national then English then others would probably be learnt from school
basically we at least can speak 2 languages fluently (indonesian and local), we're taught english since elementary school, then we're taught another overseas language in high school but it's different for every school like for me i got french (but most school they have japanese and german). It's part of the curriculum here.
Well, if you can speak japanese fluently, it's a plus for cover corp when you go for auditions, so yeah the one who get accepted will be the one who fluent speak multiple languages
More like SEA folks generally speak multiple language due to various circumstances
Sd : b. Indonesia, Inggris, daerah
Smp : b. Indonesia, Inggris, arab
Madrasah : b. Indonesia, arab
Sma: b. Indonesia, Inggris, japan/Perancis
Kuliah: b. Mesin
Nongkrong : b. Gaul
Sms : b. Singkat
Kerja : b. Formal
its simple, in my opinion , we learn english from primary school until high school, in my case, at first leason i was not understand anything about english conversation and other, until im watching movies and anime, and you can understand itself without learning, that's how i can understand this basic english (if they speak slowly and clear)
well, looks like the 4 times colony shifts does an amazing job to us
I just assumed that HoloID has been recruiting many Ojou types with foreign studies?
many of us watch anime/kdrama with english sub, so it's already a three step learning process i suppose
Hehe really good education system
In my own country, i speak 2 languages, i speak English, Japanese and a little bit of chinese. The only thing i studied are Japanese and chinese because it was written in characters i cant read but most of my japanese vocabulary was from anime with no subs.
.... in my experience. yes. most of them might not be able to use english. but, beside indonesia, there multiple other language that people usually fluent at. it can be sundanese, javanese, some people i know even fluent in about 10 different indonesian language.
indonesia somehow hold the title of worlds most trilingual country so theres that. also universities here offers various european and asian languages major too
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Kiara : "...I debut with a shitty microphone and echo in the background "
Holo ID [gen 1] :
*_Cricket, U.F.O, and Korone flashback_
(also internet problem)
In my experience, I learned English due to movies. Same experience with Japanese, only that it's kinda boosted more with VTubers
And moona with KSZK debut