She really thought Classical Music is RACIST?!
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- čas přidán 8. 03. 2024
- As a professional Classical Violinist, this video sucked every one of my brain cells. This person argues that if you play classical music, you are racist... If you play works from Mozart, Beethoven, Paganini, Bach, Vivaldi and the list of composers go on, you are offensive to this person. That means that all you prodigies who play the violin, piano, cello, and more, you must give up your instrument. If your conscience is plagued by this video, not to worry, ViolinMechanic's got your back.
Now go Practice. - Hudba
Banning TikTok is making more sense.
I just LOVE good music!!!I must admit that i am drawn to metal but if i am reading iwant classical
No way! A site where random young people -- only the most opinionated need apply -- can tell you how the world works is such great fodder for... anything you like.
Sadly the Ban tiktok law.. is doing anything but baning tiktok
@@jessejordache1869
"only the most opinionated need apply"
Its not only that. Its that they boast the most stuid thing... and yes, that is a policy of tiktok.
They only do that in the west, in china they boast stem and reasearch topic
@@xarisstylianou just listen to old marty friedman, tony macalpine and vitalij kuprij albums you got both metal and classical 😉
As black man that grew up in the hood that played the violin and trumpet in elementary school, classical music is what kept me sane through those tumultuous times.
Serious question - why classical and not jazz? I'm white, and I took formal classical piano for a couple of years, but I would have MUCH rather had jazz training - I always played more by ear in the first place, so jazz is a better fit for me. So I assume there's a reason you preferred classical - what about it was it that you loved?
(For clarity, I love LISTENING to classical, I'm just not fond of PLAYING it.)
Do you know that it's the matter of taste in music. I'd also go classical over jazz. To be honest I'd rather listen to dubstep than boring jazz 😅
@maxpudlowski8820 Most Jazz sounds like a nasty accident to me.
And it proves that the music itself is for everyone. There’s no musical notion that says “play like you’re white”. I like old school soul music, because the themes were universal.
Wynton Marsalis is my favorite Classical trumpeter
...uh nobody in the 1600-1700s thought that the world was flat.
Although a lot do now! She’s probably one of them…
The ancient greeks found out that the word was round and this Knowledge wasnt realy lost!
@@killerkraut9179 Erastothemes
Actually many did. When you say NOBODY - that's factually not true.
@@SimbaOS "many" - how many is "many"? Do you have any documentation? Any firsthand sources from the 17th or 18th century, which say the Earth was flat?
"i don't undertsand it therefore i want it banned"
pretty much sums up the whole thing
I am black and I hate the way people throw the word “racism” to everything. It is so undermining and disrespectful. Although there is not much “representation” of the composers, it does not make the genre “racist.” That is like saying there is not much diversity in Nigerian gospel musicians, therefore, the genre they sing is racist. As Violin Mechanics mentioned, it is mostly European-based. We cannot change the past or things to match with the current politics. Let us enjoy the music and genre and add to it with different styles like how we see Modern Classical music.
I was thinking the same thing.
I'm white in a predominantly white country, so I'll probably never fully understand what many people go through because of racism.
But I can't picture myself going to some Aboriginal Australians and say their music is racist because white people don't play the didgeridoo. It doesn't make any sense.
Sure, classical music was born in a Western white society and has spread all over the world. But everyone can enjoy and perform it. The same way white people can enjoy gospel which comes from black communities, to keep your example.
Racism is a real issue, but throwing the word in each and every situation is counterproductive.
Yes. Also, to be more accurate, I refer to "music theory" as "Western Tonal Theory" so as not to suggest that the European originating structure is ubiquitous. That's fair, but the racism claim is just a way to bash anything regarded as traditional. These composers only wanted to spread joy through their passion, and there are people out there acting like they participated in colonialism or something.
Any recommendations on Nigerian Gospel musicians? I would love to expose myself to that.
@@MissTwoSetEncyclopedia i agree!
@estheruche9883 As an Asian-European violinist in a country where the majority of people is white, I fully agree. Racism is a real issue, but it shouldn't just be thrown around to bash things.
She graduated from a McDonald's bathroom in Ohio
I got a pin from one of my favorite CZcamsrs 🥳
@@user-jo2gg2dl1mcongrats w
Glad you’re apart of this channel! It’s always a support seeing your comments!
@@ViolinMechanic I'll always be here (until San the violin dude hate ever happens)
I believe her phone number is still on the wall there.
She’s the epitome of tell me you don’t know music , without telling me you know music “
Middle Eastern here. I fell in love with classical music the first time I heard vivaldi and Schubert. Over the years I leaned toward rock and metal, but still classical music has a special place in my heart, and I still listen to them.
I don't care what color of skin did the composer have or what was their political beliefs. I just wonder how did vivaldi came up with those bangers.
One of those European classical composers, the Russian Nikolai Rimsky-Korsakov loved Middle eastern music!
Ignorance = prejudice. here's a CLASSIC example!
Add to that the inability to think critically, which includes the ability to consider when one might be wrong.
Ignorance leads to confabulation 😂
Well played, you rube!
Perhaps this is more a case of 'correlation does not mean causation', i.e. perhaps its prejudice that breeds ignorance more than the other way around.
This female doesn't actually "believe" classical music is *racist, as she claims. She merely believes that she wants to be seen as popular and important, and therefore uses that current ever-ready social media weapon of choice: reckless indefensible and groundless accusations of *racism as a smear, for her dual purpose of self-promotion and craven self-preservation.
That last part, craven self-preservation, is the usual practice of slithering cowards in times of strife and pressure, which both communists and organized crime use regularly to their very deadly advantage. Think of those infamous neighbors in the former East Germany who would rat out innocent people routinely to the brutally vicious "authorities" merely to keep police attention away from themselves.. Here's your modern day social media regurgitation of it.
@@barbarakauppi9915 - Valid points. Isn't she virtue-signaling here with a powerful flourish of narcissism? Does she truly care or want to be accepted/viewed as caring? Unfortunately, it is fair to wonder if she would rat somone out for "enjoying Classical Music" if we were under such a totalitarian state ( that is Anti-Intellectual or Anti-European ).
Moral indignation is one of the few ways to feel great about yourself without actually having to achieve anything.
Slacktivism
@@evilsharkey8954 love this phrase!
Sounds like white mediocrity in a nutshell.
Amen !
Sure, and the sooner they realize they aren't reviled for their skin color, rather the fact that they are big a-holes, the sooner they'll be able to work on themselves.
There is nothing keeping anyone from enjoying classical music. This racist label is absolute nonsense.
Social media was a mistake.
The hippies predated digital social media by about 30 years, and infected universities, occupied public venues, amplified substance abuse, and helped cause riots. And just like the hipsters today, the hippies of yore were a bunch of lazy, entitled white people accusing everyone of being "the man" while ironically wearing bastardized versions of indigenous and african people's garments. This fire has always been burning.
Only racists are capable of seeing racism in everything that surrounds them.
Congtarts to this woman, she just outed herself as one of the biggest racists on TikTok!
Great work!
Agree. If you hate something enough, you will become it.
I am a Hispanic violinist. Classical music is more than race! You can have your modern music, keep it all. Classical music is eternal, for the entire world.
what does hispanic mean? is that a white person from mexico?
They have to call everything white people have done as racist because otherwise the crazy government funding they get would not be given to them.
@@davidshurterfoundermembero2885 Are you really that ignorant ? You look old enough to have some life experience's, if not then you best get some.
It isn't external because it hasn't existed for all eternity. Reality check: ALL music is for the entire world, including classical. You do it no favours by continuing the snobbery associated with it.
El Sistema?
Ummmmm she didn’t even mention asians lol….. im chinese and ive been a classical musician for 9 years!! Also…. TCHAIKOVSKY WAS GAY
Bernstein, Samuel Barber, Menotti, Benjamin Britten.
Yo Yo Ma, Seiji Ozowa both come to mind. Yo Yo Ma is probably the best cellist who ever lived. His Bach is subline. I think someone once told her about a handful of German composers, Richard Wagner for one, who had some bigoted political beliefs and then applied that to all classical music not realizing that Wagner was not the only composer of classical music.
@@nunyabiznez6381 But she only includes the 18th century composers, so Wagner is out of the picture. ;P
@@paunitka7 I concede your point. I mentioned Wagner as the only bigoted composer I could think of off the top of my head. I am sure there are others but I don't know enough about the political beliefs of composers to know for sure. But my point which I think you missed, remains, she likely heard someone once say one composer, whoever that was, was a bigot and then decided to lump all classical composers, of the 18th century, in the one category. Also, as she had made this huge false broad accusation out of ignorance, I was assuming she was conflating the term "18th century" with the term "1800's" which is a common error among today's youth. Almost daily I hear people say that we are in the 20th century and talk about their parents being born in the 19th century and that was in fact what I thought she was trying to say and meant the "1800's." But for the sake of precision I will concede you are most likely correct that she did indeed mean 18th century composers as that is what she did say.
OMG, you're right. She must have meant the 19th century. 🤦 And here was I, wondering why she was so focused on late baroque and classicism. 🤦
This woman is the perfect example of ignorance, the type who invades and burns libraries and destroys ancient monuments.
The ignorance of this generation is truly sad.
The secondhand embarrassment I feel from this generation makes me feel physically ill.
They are less intelligent, and way more socially awkward than the kids with actual developmental disorders in the special needs class of the high school I went to.
Well, nothing new, but they all have these phones, now showing us how stupid humans really is.
Alone that you pick on a generation there is more informed than your generation ever was, shows my point.
Propaganda is powerful. Can reach anyone with a internet
their ignorance and prejudices will be duly rewarded once they attempt to enter the realm of real world employment and discover the joys working as serving staff in fast food chains 'would you like fries with that?'
@@hurtighansen1 They ARE NOT more informed, that is the problem. People are dumber than ever before. People hundreds of years ago wrote and spoke far more eloquently than young people today. You are right, propoganda is powerful and it's literally the only thing people today are taught. So, again, no this generation of 20-30 somethings is less informed than any generation in the last couple of centuries.
It's only a small but noisy minority who are this ignorant. Don't lose too much faith in humanity. Society will be OK.
I'm a black violinist who is studying classical music, and plays classical music. She has no real argument with the rhetoric she uses. One of my favorite composers Dvorak was an abolitionist who argued if African American music styles should be a foundation of classical music...nice channel BTW
It's just political bullshit - "divide and rule", nothing more. There were very very few black people in Europe in those days, fact. It's not that black people were there and were barred from composing or playing classical music - now THAT would be racist!!
The 2nd movement of the New World symphony is basically a tribute to African American culture. The Cor Anglais is used to try and match that sound of 'Spirituals' the black music he was exposed to whilst living in the US. I'm a massive Dvorak fan myself, love all his work.
Completely agree! Read about Dvorak’s special relationship wi the Harry Thacker Burliegh (and here a beautiful rendition of two of Burleigh’s fantastic Southland Sketches here: m.czcams.com/video/X7xJ3MY7Ojc/video.html&pp=ygURR2VyZ2FuYSBidXJsZWlnaCA%3D).
Dvorak an abolitionist? Damn... I didn't know that, mate!
@@jmrabinez9254 While I havent seen that term attached to him this one example I dug this up from the Oxford Academic that showed his forward thinking on race in that era:
"...Jeannette Thurber and Antonín Dvořák had opened the National Conservatory to Black students free of charge, thus expanding educational opportunities for talented Black musicians. The premiere of the New World Symphony in December 1893 reignited a widespread and vicious public debate about the place of Black music and musicians in American national life."
Imagine trying to have a conversation with this girl. It would be torture to be face-to-face with such confident ignorance.
Imagine coming home to her every night.
Ignorance and confidence are two sides of the same coin.
Its a stupid person. Stupidity is not just being ignorant but repeating a lesson without thinking abput what she is saying.
Most feminist present this symptom and get crushed in real life discussions.
Confident ignorance ... I've been looking for some good phraseology to better understand the people of tiktok and you have given it to me. Thank you.
@@christopherweber9464 Vincibly ignorant would be a better term. I'm giving her the benefit of the doubt that she has the intelligence to be convinced of her error when confronted by the facts.
As a metalhead since I was a teenager in the 80s, I have mad respect and love for classical music.
So much of metal and so many metal musicians are heavily influenced by classical.
Yeah but you'd have to be able to think and that's too hard for the lib pea brain
I wonder if these people on tik tok realize that composers from the 18th and 19th centuries were the pop stars of their day.
I'm so sick of these weird ideas. I'll take Sibelius over Cardi B any day. PS: Sick of all you Sibelius haters too - this is a violin channel and he wrote one of the greatest violin concertos of all time. Stay on track.
It is a blasphemy even to compare those two...Sibelius wrote some of the most beautiful pieces of music ever, while Cardi B is yapping the worst sounding noise anyone can ever hear.
now THAT is racist to say haha. that's why people say classical enjoyers are racist, because y'all are and you're too eager to announce it. I say this as a violinist
@@Ramberta so having common sense, using our ears, and not liking something that is just noise and yelling non-sense is racist now? It's racist not to listen to the most terrible "music" ever created?
@@alex9920rohaving an opinion is racist, apparently.
Why can't you just appreciate diversity in music and genres? I am not patient enough ti watch the video
She confused the classical period of music (i.e. vienna classic - Haydn, Mozart, Beethoven) with the broader term of classical music (16th - 20th century)
She thinks "classical" music is limited to the 18th century (at 0:52). My guess is, she does not play an instrument and she has no clue about music.
Indeed. This tripe came from some professor who filled her head with this garbage. The professor him or herself is likely not a musician.
Even for the classical period, she's not correct: One of the most renowned composers in Paris was black (Joseph de Boulogne, Chevalier de Saint-Georges), and Beethoven dedicated one of his most famous works to a black violinist/composer (before re-dedicating it to R. Kreutzer over some personal issues).
Agree. The "(whatever discipline i am too stupid to do) is racist " has become too common these days.
This is an Adam neely leftist talking point: classical music is racist because one of its pedagogues was a German supremacist... forget exactly who but that was the crux of his argument taken from marxist critics of classical music
Maybe her musicist of choice is Eminem (whatever),
As a classical flautist, that is so uneducated and painful.
"You can't fix stupid. Stupid is forever." - Ron White
Those who can’t create must destroy. It’s their only way of attracting attention. Her rebuttal will be to accuse Debussy et al. of cultural appropriation.
... bullseye, they are also known as narcissists.
@palyddon Damn, she probably would do exactly that!
I once taught myself how to play every single song Scott Joplin wrote after I figured out the trick to playing ragtime. I was surprised to learn that Joplin's inspiration was Debussy who often used syncopation. Debussy didn't "appropriate" it and neither did Joplin. Music just evolves as new ideas are adopted (not appropriated) by those who are inspired by those who led the way before them. Did Beethoven "appropriate" ideas from Handel or Chopin? No but they greatly influenced his genius.
This is something you don't need to explain to a person knowledgeable about music (and culture in general), but at the same time, you will never get it across to a rabid woke. 😬
Sorry, I meant Hadyn not Handel.
"Cis straight white male composers"
Someone needs to introduce her to Tchaikovsky
He checks all of those except for "straight"
I believe Ravel was gay as well
@@RambertaWell he could hardly help being born male and white. What was he supposed to do with his genius - be a shopkeeper?
Francis Poulenc too. And Benjamin Britten.
@@RambertaHe doesn't check cis either because that's BS.
3:23 "Op-pa... I've never heard such stupidity in my life" MADE ME SCREAM!!!
She didn’t ‘think’, but merely opined, parroting others.
Its the clueless arrogance of accusing others of arrogance that is so mind numbing.
I agree. I think he could have really looked at the topic seriously and articulated it better. It's not the music itself that is racist, but the whole infrastructure of society around education and access that has caused problems. Not just for people of color, but also women before the twentieth century. Today, education is prohibitively expensive. So is access to quality instruments. Even for the middle class!
But white cis males have no problems with how prohibitively expensive it is or having access to instruments. What a racist, sexist society.
Is traditional music from Africa racist? What about indigenous music from the Americas? From India? China?
When a culture develops entertainment for their own culture, they are not racist by not being Diverse, Equal and Inclusive for every known culture on the planet.
You can take her entire argument and apply it to Indian classical music. It's all the music of Hindi and Tamil men, big lack of diversity. Gets regarded as the highest form of music in India. And if you go study it, they don't teach you about music from other parts of the world 😂
@@347JimmyExactly. This is why the victimization mentality is so dangerous. It robs those afflicted with it of individual thought and reasoning, making false accusations based upon ideologically driven villains.
she wants to dismantle western civilization, racist means "european" to her , that's it. everything european will be labeled as so. Plus she uses this word now, she would have used "bourgeois" fifty years ago, she will use something else when this does'nt work anymore. They surf on social momentum to adapt their discourse.
However, if you do take elements of music from another culture and incorporate it into your own you will then be accused of culture appropriation.
@@jonathanparks207 not always. George Harrison used Indian classical elements in The Beatles, and got big awards from the Indian government for "promoting their culture abroad".
But that was a different time back then. Now, you'd probably just get cancelled lol
It is always a pleasure to see an intelligent rebuke of this type of ignorant garbage.
My compliments, Sir.
Thank you having Sibelius on banckground on the first part of the video❤️
"Classical music is one of the most underrated art in America."
Yeah completely!
Overuse and abuse of the word racist causes it to diminish in meaning. When something happens that actually is racist, the word ends up having no meaning.
Exactly!
Amen!
It’s just a way to cancel anything they find… inconvenient. There were classes I didn’t want to take either, but I sucked it up
Best way of dealing with racism is to not talk about it when it isn't an issue
Write this across the sky in letters of fire!
When I'm wild camping, on a mountain ridge, in storm, heavy snow fall conditions, classical music is my thing! It calms the inner me, and blanks out whatever is going on outside! Liked and subscribed
I have no idea how I fell onto this channel at all. But I really needed it because I love classical music but I felt like I was alone in that. Also, you’re giving me a deeper emotional connection with the history so I think you so much for that.
Love everything. But the classical composers didn't think the world was flat. Not even people in ancient Greece thought the world was flat. Thank you for a great channel! Keep it up!
I mean, today people thinks so. How come in a continent who burned people for believing the contrary would would "not think" world was flat?
Your right, thats a modern day idea that the world is flat.
The other day the flat earth society said "We have supporters around the globe." Now then, let that last word sink in.@@stewartkingsley
You caught that too.
It’s true that the first 2 times the radius of the earth was measured was before before the Bronze Age collapse, therefore before the Greeks, then around 300or so BC was the first time the radius was measured with less than 2% difference with reality …
However the point here is that there’s no need in the first place to defend how the people were in certain eras because a group of people wants to convince themselves that throughout history, and across the globe, people couldn’t possibly have been different to them today and falsifying history to fit this narrative is a fetish they want to enforce on everyone.
I find stereotypical gangs of bikers thinking classical music is sissy music a LOT less insulting this girl’s statement … especially that they can be a LOT more open minded than her.
I even find those thinking that classical music is exclusively elitist a LOT friendlier than her.
The number of people who happily combine absolute cluelessness with complete certainty of opinion is growing every day. Or does it just seem that way to me because cluelessness is no longer considered a flaw, but a virtue that can be peddled?
It's commonly referred to as "the Dunning-Kruger effect".
Everytime someone uses the word "cis," they've lost the argument.
To be honest without classical music not even jazz and modern music would have existed ..
also the idea that all the classical composers were straight is laughable XD
Some were, some were not. But what does it have to do with music?
@@pawelpap9 It has nothing to do with music. But 1'38" is where the claim is made that all C18th composers were straight, along with a lot of other unsupported claims.
@@mrewan6221 Mozart' main librettist da Ponte is thought to have been Gay. I've also heard some theories about Handel being bisexual.
@@canalesworks1247 I am not interested in sexual orientation of composers, in the same way I'm not interested if they're right-handed, left-handed, or somewhere in between.
I was merely clariying for @pawelpap9
Maybe half of them were. My uncle was a 2nd violinist for a major symphony orchestra and he once said "I think I'm the only straight male in the room." This was part of a conversation he had with my mother about how a number of the male musicians had flirted with him at one time or other including the conductor who was also a composer.
What a numbnut. I am from chav land (an English council estate), but I love music classical music. My youngest son loves music and did it at school. He loves flight of the bumble bee. He said his music teacher was the best teacher ever. The thing is, my son is working class his music teacher is very middle class. When the school cut music lessons at school. His teacher was made redundant. My son was gutted. This man helped my son get out of his shell. He encouraged my son to get on the school stage and play his bass guitar. My son is 21 and is in the British army. Music everybody's. Thank you, music and Mr Last.
Numbnut. Haven't heard that in a while. LoL. Apt.
My neighbour is a Mr Last, retired music teacher... in Norfolk?
I say - 'Chavland' - how dare you - Essex borders here - we don't want any of you're Shell Suits over here - thank YOU. ;) (Good luck to you and your boy - and music is MY life)
@cleverclogs2244 hi, I think Mr Last is in his mid-30s now. But I think that they may be related he was a teacher at Tong Academy in Bradford Yorkshire. But they cut music shame more cuts means less opportunity's for the working class. I mean, Zain Malik of one direction went to the same school.
@everyonehatesfrauditors765 It's OK, mate. I don't venture much out of Yorkshire, lol. Henry the v in the play Miss Quickly says to Prince Hal that he is a chav and to wipe his smile of his mush. Still said today by our youth in Holmewood, Bradford. Are you alright, my chaver mush.
The term "racist" has been so devalued that it now essentially means "anything an ignorant person dislikes".
What scares me the most is how she seems so educated and intelligent when she speaks.
Italians have requested that all non Italians give back our violins, thank you. Buonasera.
Exactly! And while we're at it we'd better return all those triangles and tambourines to the Turkish!
you don't get to do that unless you can undo colonization. (which you can't, so...)
@@alexscott1257 Add the bass drums to that list!
And stop singing opera if you don't have a vowel at the end of your name.
As a Mexican, I humbly apologize for appropriating the piñata from Italians
They've politicized Classical Music. This is insane.
They're insane.
Who are they? some loon on tik tok?
Wokisme is a kind of mental desease.😊
They’ve polarized western civilization.
Math is racist as well, according to woke lunatics.
Wow. I was not expecting to love this video as much as I did, thank you!
I want printed on my gravestone... "To all future generations... Good luck. I'm glad I'm not here with you!"
Remember. You can't fix stupid.
amen
One of the best descriptions of s leftist.
@@darylhoskins919 I believe the comment was referring to you.
@@darylhoskins919nah it's referring to magarats like you 😉
@@rustybear5125 Bruh, the comment is about people who think classical music is racist. That IS dumb.
Give me classical music over the self indulgent tripe that passes for music now,
That is such a past-ist thing to say...
Please do not insult tripe. Tripe is useful.
@@jaycee30865 spot on, 👌
Amen!
What do you mean, modern music is perfectly fine for selling soft drinks.
She knows nothing of music, history, history of music, but knows just enough to achieve the tone of a “college presentation”. Reading the notes off the screen, she wrote, in a way that is striving for sincerity but still comes off as “reading from the script directly.”
We should take note of people who say such things.
Then make them stay away.
The best way to cope with these idiots is to just ignore them. Your reactions fill them with delight and encourage them to say even more stupid things.
I beg to differ, consider this: the truth in the future will be determined by AI and AI will source its knowledge by going through the data in the past made by humans, it is important that these lies have counterpart so the AI knows at least there is a stance against this BS
Best comment ❤
@@PATISLAV Best counterargument that I have heard yet! Well said, well said indeed.
She's right!!! Why should there be MAJOR and MINOR scales?? And DIMINISHED chords??? And what about Black keys on the piano being SMALLLER??? Or even SHARPS and flats??? Imagine how bad the notes must feel when they aren't called sharp??
That was sharp!
And "flat"? Sounds suspiciously misogynistic.
Nice!
Great post! Something I'd like to post.
😂😂😂😂😂
Oh I hope she sees this. She'll be so pissed! 😂
There is a brilliant talk about classical music in the film "Tar" by Cate Blanchet. Needless to say she was cancelled for it.
Keep in mind that another woman with the same mental acuity believed that air conditioning was sexist.
yes, i saw this. It was amazing. Just because some work w"ores hate it to wear actual cloth... so funny.
Air conditioning is set using measurements taking 1950s USA office workers who were predominately men in suits. I have experienced cold AC that my male colleagues found OK.
@@ChrisPar-r well, wear more cloth, Problem solved
@@ChrisPar-r "male colleagues"
Can't say "men"?
@@Rai2M I didn't get that memo, I'm too old to be thought policed.
In the Renaissance and Baroque eras, musicians were hired hands who were badly treated and struggled to make a living. They certainly weren't oppressing anyone . Mozart died in poverty and Bach just about made a living. Beethoven wasn't a rich man and neither was Schubert.
Didn't Mozart die poor because he spent all his money, though?
@@SeasideDetective2 - Mozart did like to live well, but he failed to respect the the rich and powerful simply because they were rich and powerful. So he failed to attract wealthy patrons, died young, and was buried in potter's field.
@@willardchi2571 - Respect to Mozart for not kissing the behinds of the rich and powerful.
Dvorak spent time teaching in NYC and encountered African American music from a singer who was sweeping the floors af the school where he was teaching. Was so enamored by the novel sound he heard that he was inspired to write the "American" symphony incorporating those new motifs into it. Shes arrogantly clueless.
Thanks for the video, great to hear the perspective of a musician. Plus the little comments in Russian made my day 😊
"...mainly the music of 18th century......" well, the VERY first sentence is ignorant AF.
She is a child. And kids these days are trained to be confident in their ignorance.
@pjbpiano As a college professor, I can attest to this. I have to admit that it is possible that my own cohort, who were in college in the 70s, were equally ignorant. It's honestly hard to recall my own mindset when I was her age. I would never have said something that idiotic about music (being then and now a jazz fanatic), but maybe about other things?
@@stuartdryer1352, personally, I am never confident about things I have not read up on or done at least a little research before commenting on a subject I am not an expert in.
But I have noticed that many of the younger ones on social media, are very very confident and emotionally charged even when they know they have no idea what they are talking about.
It is terrifying to watch.
@pjbpiano I think so too. It is if we* are encouraging the Dunning-Kruger effect, in the name of... something? Is it social media? Something they are taught in school! I have no idea. Bear in mind that politically I certainly land a bit left of center, but this trend drives me crazy. * I use "we" without knowing who to blame.
@@pjbpiano How does that saying go? "Hire young people while they still know everything."
The idiocy of some people is mind blowing.
Indeed, she opened her mouth and proven nothing but the fact that she holds moronic views.
She looked exactly as I expected someone who would say something stupid like that would look like.
Joseph de Boulogne, a black French nobleman, composer, conductor at Paris Opera, and court musician at the French royal court around the time of the Revolution? George Bridgetower, British composer and violinist, for whom Beethoven composed the "Kreutzer Sonata". Scott Joplin, whose "Entertainer" almost every Piano student practises...
19th century - here in Brasil, we had a great classic composer, called PadreJosé Maurício Nunes Garcia, "mulatto", of slave descent.
I was reading about Joplin and was surprised to learn that roughly 75 percent of his creative influences were either European or Euro-American. So maybe ragtime wasn't quite "world" music, but it's clear that at least some ethnic non-Europeans were integrated into the Euro-American musical milieu.
I've heard the argument before. What people don't know is that in terms of participation, classical music is, by far, the most diverse genre. And classical music has never existed in a vacuum. It has been influenced by extra-European cultures from the beginning. Stringed instruments themselves originated in Asia. Today, any classical music program worth anything will teach about the classical music expressions of every continent - it's not stuck in time. There is modern classical music. As to sexual orientation, Tzaichovsky was gay. Handel was believed to be gay. There's a long list actually. And probably many more were closeted. There's a list of women composers dating back to the 16th century. There are black composers dating back to the 18th century. Mexico had a classical renaissance in the 19th century. I mean, I'm sorry her musical education was so ----- whitewashed!
They didn't think the earth was flat, it has been commonly known that the earth is round for over two millenia.
WRT to Debussy, it wasn't his subconscious that inspired him to use the pentatonic scale. It was very conscious. He observed a Javanese Gamalan orchestra perform at the world fair in Paris. Also, my music program at a state university, offered several world music courses as electives. But the required music history and music theory courses contained elements of non-western music as part of the syllabus. This was the late 80s.
Could it be that western people are taught western classical music because it's their culture?
Thanks for the video. It really annoys me when people talk about things that they know absolutely nothing about. I am not a gambling man but I would wager that woman has never played an instrument and if she did it was strictly bedroom practice only!
Thanks for the comment. Most performers who play any style of music would argue the immense complexity of their genre.
I guarantee that no one who has never trained in music even bothers to know about this argument
I doubt she's even listened to classical music on the radio. I'm no musician, but I know she's full of it just from listening to the classical station all my life.
3:23 man is at a loss of English words…. I’m wheezing😂😂
I got as far as "They thought the Earth was flat" Countering stupid with stupid is stupid.
I wait researching “Racism in Bach's fugues”.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
But if you play his Cantatas backward, you could might hear hidden messages.
And "Fascism in Bach's passacaglias"?😂😂😂😂😂😂
Do not even give her time of day.
I am fairly certain that 'Pomp & Circumstance March No. 1' will still be played at the commencement ceremony at Failure University.
she said something to get attention and you gave it to her. this validates her stance and will encourage further behaviour.
congratulations not only are you feeding the troll. you are becoming one yourself.
One of the greatest piano technicians in Vienna (the centre of the piano) in the early 19th century was a woman called Nanette Streicher, she was also a composer and a friend of Beethoven. Her influence was so important that the development of the piano has been influenced by her right up to the present day - enough said!
I knew you brought this on yourself when you said, "I was scrolling through tik tok the other day."
People should never scroll on TikTok, not if they want to keep their sanity.
His only mistake really. 😂
Tik Tok is toxic!
I am now even more stoopid that I was before. I wasn't expecting her to be ab le to back up her initial statement.
These are great arguments you put forth. I do think though that both of these arguments can co-exist. Her argument is misstated, it would make more sense if she said something along the lines of "the programming of classical music in the educational realm is racist" or "promotes racial supremacy" might have a bit more weight and could reasonably be argued.
Some black and female composers did exist, as well as gay composers. It’s really annoying though when people try to interpret the past through the lenses of the present. It’s just not a sound approach.
Also todays composers can not be blamed for beeing white or straight. And still it is not possible or necessary to include every culture in the world into a musicians work.
@@Ihatepinkfloyd82 - That's partly what's insidious: Why on earth would blaming anyone for their skin tone and sexuality be a good thing today? It applies to everyone. Or it's yet another form of bigotry and hatred dressed up and sold as Progressive.
Classical music is absolutely enchanting.
Is Yoyo Ma racist too?
Or Jessye Norman, or Willard White, or Yuja Wang...
She as no idea who they are
@@Guzunderstropyour mention of the glorious Jessaye Norman took the words out of my mouth! Thank you! 😊
He is in the klan. Down in TN.
No but yo mama might be for saying classical music is racist.
Clearly one needn't "identify" as an "idiot" - to in fact "be one."
My Classical Radio station insists on promulgating "Contemporary Classics".
I'm glad my radio has an OFF switch.
Yeah, mine too but it is run by NPR so that is not a surprise. Thank God for YT and Spotify.
0:53 And she said this with a straight face. 😵💫😵💫😵💫😵💫
Amazing.
but was it a cis straight face?
This is a text book example of judging the past by today "standars" and thinking "How did not foresee these standards and act accordingly so that I am satisfied?"
Amen. I am so beyond tired of this and relieved that sane people are calling out this nonsense
i was like “no way! anyone could name 6 composers” but then i remembered you’re talking about america
Well said. A beautifully well balanced rebuttal to her very unbalanced statements. I am now subscribing to you channel as well. .
While I do not “understand” classical music, I have been listening to it for the past 60 years and more. Without it my life would have been deprived of one of my greatest enjoyment. Her emphasis on DEI is incomprehensible and in fact disgusting. By the way lady, Western classical music goes back many centuries before the 18th century.
This is not DEI. DEI is about equality of opportunity. She is about putting your thumb on the scales and forcing equality of outcome.
@@SolomonKane71 I know you mean well but it is in fact DEI. DEI is derived from CRT. Diversity Equity and Inclusion notice how it says Equity in the the abbreviation. Diversity introduce a victim. Equity show how they are less wealthy or powerful. Inclusion give them the wealth or power of others to equalise the balance. Follow that step until you are the lions share of power and wealth with absolutely no qualifications for the job you are in.
@@SolomonKane71 D in DEI normally means “Equity” and it essentially leads to the same conclusion as yours…ie. equality of “Outcome” for all. Irrespective of a person’s skill, talent, hard work, persistence and all other factors that lead anyone with these qualities to succeed.
@@kantimakan4056 I doubt you have ready any DEI training material, but what I have read does not call for forced outcomes.
@@SolomonKane71 Sorry but @kantimakan4056 is correct, DEI is about forcing equality of outcome.
When Dvorak went to America, He incorporated black spirituals in his 9th symphony.
They never thought the world was flat.
God forbid people who choose a major spend countless hours learning their thing rather than the thing you think they ought to study.
I always find if very hard to understand just how ignorant, ignorant people really are.
You’re being kind. Ignorance implies lack of knowledge. Even with the knowledge, which is easy to Google, she wouldn’t change her mind. There’s a different word for that.
Hold on so classical music is racist, because the people who wrote were the same gender as they were born as, white, and male.
Those are three things that they cannot change about themselves, and saying that every cis white male is racist is, PER DEFINITION, racist
I agree. Besides, it isn't even like all composers fit that stereotype-
Thank you. You have made my day.
Stupid is as stupid does. The idiocy of some people is astounding
3:23 I was kind of surprised when he started speaking Russian
Nah, it was obvious.
@@chanaheszter168 Wait does he actually speak Russian or did he just pretend to? I could hear some kind of accent
@X10Bombs His intonation in English has a very slight variation that tipped me off that it's not his mother tongue. So, yes, he's a Russian speaker.
His English is pretty amazing if he is not a native English speaker.
@@moebarragan1681 as a Russian I can say that Russian language is definitely not his native. 5:19 - case endings are incorrect and there's hard accent, native would never say it this way
Some people are just crazy. Ignore them.
The trouble is that you can't ignore them because the minority is being listened to over the majority these days, The other day there was an article about one person complaining about the chiming of church bells and because of that one complaint the church bells had to be silenced at night.
100%. Nobody listens to them, don't signal boost them.
I don't think you can ignore them. The media itself is also pushing this agenda. The best to do is to point out how everyone disagrees with them and their logic is wrong.
We have so many crazies in modern times, it's hard to ignore half the human race.
@@willardchi2571 agreed.
Getting utterly ridiculous now. Composers long dead cannot defend themselves against such lunacy. I love classical, rock, metal and jazz. Not a single genre is in any way discriminatory. Time people stopped spitting nonsensical bile without thinking first. Long live Beethoven, Mozart, Bach, Chopin, Handed, Vivaldi and the rest!
They did not think the world was flat.
When she talks about lack of "world music" she seem to forget that you need dedicated specialists to teach this and this. Conservatory in my city, Kazan, teach its students Turkic and Central Asian music, because our region has close cultural ties with these musical traditions, so our conservatory have musicians who specialises in these types of music. But they can't teach Brazilian or Indian music even if they want it. Musicians won't just appear in their rooms.
Most people in our society weren't exposed to "world" music until the emergence of the popular folk music genre in the 1950s at the earliest, or maybe Harry Belafonte's calypso toward the end of that decade. (For that matter, prior to the Works Progress Administration's anthropological projects in the '30s, most white Americans had never even heard of blues music.) But the Beatles and Led Zeppelin were the ones who truly brought "exotic" music into the mainstream, along with Ravi Shankar (one of the Beatles' influences). The sad fact is that for a long time many countries simply didn't have recording studios, and people from countries that did just didn't travel much.
I'm dismayed, though, that Spain and the Balkans are apparently countries of "the world" rather than Europe. Most people living in those lands would disagree. I'll admit that they were ruled by non-European empires for hundreds of years, but the colonizers never succeeded in stamping out the native cultures. And while those countries are (or used to be) at the European periphery both geographically and culturally, they are permeated by Western influences, being basically Christian (even in Albania, Muslims have only a bare majority) and populated by humans who are, more or less, racially indistinguishable from "pure" Europeans (whatever that means).
@@SeasideDetective2In the 18th century, people were much less connected to other parts of the world. Places a couple hundred miles away were considered “exotic”, even if they had common cultural roots.
@@evilsharkey8954 I suppose that's true. Even modern-day people leading sheltered lives tend to think that way. Especially children, for when I was about seven years old and lived in a (relatively) small town, I thought big cities were exotic. And I lived in California, so I thought of Oregon as exotic.