Who do Liverpool target after Alonso decision?
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- On the pitch Liverpool have seized the initiative in the Premier League title race following their 2-1 win over Brighton & Hove Albion on Sunday.
Yet off the pitch, uncertainty lingers after Xabi Alonso confirmed last week he'll be staying with Bayer Leverkusen, ruling himself out of the running to replace Jurgen Klopp at Anfield.
So where do Liverpool turn next and who will be on their managerial shortlist to replace Klopp?
Ayo Akinwolere is joined by The Athletic's David Ornstein and Oli Kay to discuss Alonso's decision to stay at Leverkusen before debating the process the Reds will go through with their new sporting director Richard Hughes to find a successor for Klopp.
00:00 Intro
00:13 Xabi Alonso stays at Bayer Leverkusen
04:11 Did Xabi Alonso make the right decision?
07:52 Managerial coaching & timing
14:56 What is next for Liverpool?
20:04 Who could be Klopp’s successor?
27:35 Who is similar to Jurgen Klopp?
33:54 Klopp & Liverpool
35:28 The financial aspect of managerial appointments
39:11 Are Liverpool favourites for the Premier League?
45:58 Final comments
49:58 Outro
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Ayo Akinwolere is a very good presenter; I like to listen to him.
He has good questions
He's great. Something about his tone of voice gives the podcast some levity, it's easy to get lost a bit at times!
He does a great job of asking the questions we're all thinking, and some we didn't even think of
OGs will remember him from Blue Peter
@@Unkown549 nahh we watched magpie not that naff :)
It is fantastic listening to such intelligent and down-to-earth football journalists - no hype, no BS - just lot of common sense.
Oli Kay, "I met him once 16 years ago and I can tell you now, he is someone who is supremely in charge of their own destiny... you know, when you meet someone briefly and you just get that supremely in charge of their own destiny vibe?"
Haha yeah clutching at straws to have an “inside track” there
lmao young and inexperienced at life you mean :)
I never expected Alonso to leave Bayer this season. They are flying and he’s hardly going to discuss terms with another club at this stage of the season so he just told them “on your bike”!!
Surprised Nagelsmann isnt being talked about more. Style of play fits to a t, experience at leipzig and also at a big club winning things
He tends to fall out with players many times
@@KopJustin Does that speak badly about him, or about the attitude of the players? Klopp fell out with players too: Sakho, Can, Coutinho, probably others I've forgotten
@@sg3215 You could be right ..Nagelsmann might be a good manager but he would be my third choice after Amorim & Alonso
@@sg3215Klopp fell out with Sakho who failed a drug test and had shown disciplinary problems and nothing Sakho has done since has made anyone think that Klopp has made a mistake. He left PSG despite being captain due to discipline problems too. He didn't fall out with Coutinho or Can. Coutinho forced a move. Can wanted to leave to win trophies so left on a free. Klopp wanted both to stay.
Nagelsmann is disliked by most of the people he worked with. He was leaking information via his girlfriend about players and things.
@@KopJustin bruv that happened just at Bayern, stop acting as if that's a common occurrence on his career. You literally don't know what you are talking about.
I firmly believe Real Madrid tapped up Alonso during the international break and told him if he stayed in Germany 1 more year he'd be the target to succeed Ancelotti next year.
Of course they did. People like to say Alonso is a former Liverpool player but he also played in Madrid.
Yep, Miguel Almiron is my top pick for the job too.
Who's he the manager of?
The guy's trolling, he means Ruben Amorim who manages Sporting@@ibrstellar1080
Newcastle United
i would have loved if Xabi came back, but he decided it wasn't the right time and I respect the decision. Maybe he comes around in the future, maybe he does not. Either way, you have to respect the man's decision in the end. To that end, I hope we are able to get Amorim. His reputation with leadership and man management are really important even though they don't appear on the stat sheet. I am not too hot on De Zerbi. The things he has been saying about his club lately are not a good look. But I think Amorim could do really well with the team he would inherit.
Very interesting thoughts re the managers who'd be expected to get the most out of the present squad per performance metrics.
Nagelsmann would be my choice, but more than happy if it’s Amirom
He be my second choice behind amorim
Nagelsmanns too egotistical. Managers like that make decisions that disrupt the dressing room and lose the backing of the senior players in the squad. Similar to how kimmich and muller felt about him at Bayern. Amorim better at man management which is BIG at liverpool
@@suleimanismaeil7484 thats ur opinion, which u’re entitled too.................I’d jst say how have Bayern done since he left🤷♂️I don’t believe he was the only issue there
@@Ger1010I have no issues with nagelsmann on the field. He’s an elite tactician and Bayern have actually regressed on the pitch since his departure. His connection with the players and the fan base etc is what’s making me not like the idea of his appointment
@@suleimanismaeil7484 Funny how Kimmich said that he cannot understand Nagelsmans sacking and he didnt lost the team and is also his best trainer after pep guardiola. Btw EVERYBODY who was involved in his sacking is fired. period.
Please, PLEASE, completely disregard of ANYTHING about ANYTHING that Richard Keys says.
He's my go-to guy for advice on how to be a lovely gentleman.
@@rory4605 lol
Great job lads!
Amorim hype lads. Him under the new structure will feed generations.
Barca looking at him now
@@alzer6467 ffs
@@scotgeez4755 Dont' worry - Barca not the same anymore..
@@alzer6467 I thought Barca were after Flick
@@varunmadhavan3227 same attitude that said Bellingham and Alonso were certs for Liverpool....the Portuguese love Barca
7:21 Andre Villa Boas ? Was under financial pressure? What are you on about?😂 The man who grew up neighbors with sir Bobby Robson & lived in a mansion & then decided to leave football because his heart wasn’t in it then move to racing cars… ye I’d say he was poor.
His parents might have had a few quid but he wouldn’t have earned money in football like he did before his Chelsea contract. He was then able to do his racing stuff after he’d picked up loads of money as a manager
@@seemourbutts6679 successs story for sure
I don;t think Villas-Boas is a great example. He probably didn't feel financial pressure because he comes from a rich family.
I would go for Nagelsman
.. he has alot of experience in champions league and great Point conversion a game
Alonso is a smart guy.
Bayern as a club is a mess right now with the new leadership, and pressure on Liverpool job would be insane right after Klopp.
I agree that there is no-one currently managing in the Premier League who could take over at Liverpool. Benitez and Klopp both had experience of winning League titles in their respective countries (and in the face of bigger opposition) and both became CL winners at Liverpool. That, alongside a willingness to develop talent, will be the key to getting the right manager. I'd love to know more about Simone Inzaghi and whether he'd be a good fit at LFC.
Probably very difficult to get out of Inter
Inzaghi extend3d his infer contract. ..
Inzaghi is a tactical wizard but I would say that the Liverpool fans wouldn't appreciate his style most of the time. Even if he managed to stifle Man City with a far inferior squad in the CL final.
I rate Inzaghi as he's got the right experience to steady the ship after Klopp as the pressure will be immense.
another conte
Excellent discussion lads, nice to hear three knowledgeable and clearly well informed opinions without annoying music overlays.
What knowledge?????
The Villas Boas example used in terms of needing the money is probably one of the worst examples ever used. Villas Boas absolutely did not need the money, the guy was insanely rich from family wealth, probably far better off then nearly every footballer to have ever played the game.
Andre Villas Boas is quite literally the worst example you could provide because he's Portuguese Royalty - not figuratively - literally. His family is extremely rich and he was friends with Bobby Robson growing up - he never had financial impetus to begin with.
Personality-wise Sebastian Hoeness would be a great fit. More so than Alonso. But I guess, he would fit Bayern maybe even better, with his uncle there in charge, so to say and well introduced in the strange runnings at the club.
Very informative and enjoyable episode, thanks chaps 👍
8:56 David Ornstein's personality goals
Thiago Motto. Plays pass and move football. Liverpools general ethos.
Yup if I was Barca, Liverpool, Bayern or Man Utd that’s who I would be targeting
you cant even spell his name right
Thiago Motta has done amazing stuff in Bologna but he's perhaps a bit too green and Bologna is a small club.
@@Perkelenaattoriand italian football the slowest imaginable
Has to be ruben amorim, plays a similar style of football to Klopp
Isn't he more of a tiki taka kind of guy, and less focused on pressing?
Dublin is gonna be mental
Why is no one talking about Nagelsman? I think he could a great appointment under the radar. Clearly Bayern realise they made a mistake letting him go and he’s in the running to go back there too😂 I think he would’ve developed a lot at Bayern and now with the national team who are already keen to extend his contract. His win percentage at Bayern was actually decent, and he plays very good football and would be available with no extra fees. The more I think about it the more it makes sense haha
id never heard of him til this comment section i admit
@@PazLeBonhow is that possible? Fresh out of a coma?
@@SKa-tt9nm no interest in german footie i suppose
I would like to see Diego Simeone at Bayern to see what he does.
Dive fest
I want to see him at Man Utd to see him meet Beckham.
Would love to see Big Ange.
Go ahead and type his name into Google images and you'll see him
I think he is the best match but it will cost a lot of money to take him out of Spurs
Anyone saying De Zerbi hasn't a clue, 6 wins in 6 months in the league, I was in the kop on Sunday and De Zerbi was getting so much hate, it would be a toxic appointment and his football isn't that good. Lost 6-1 to Aston villa, 4-0 to Luton and 5-1 to Everton, those results are sackable
Now this is talking without context, De zerbi himself has said they lack the quality in midfield compared to last season. Lightweight people like gilmour instead of caicedo. Brighton have the most different starters in the league trying to battle with their first ever European season. You don't have a clue because the biggest deterrent from him is his character
De Zerbi is great.
@@geekylove3603 However not Liverpool football club great.
@@mumindanmallampeople like you just think any manager who does decent for a bit is the next big thing
@@Freestyle80 and you're the kinda of person that thinks if a team isn't winning their manager shouldn't be allowed to coach in the U8's, as if all you do in life is get 100% of what you give
Opposite bottle job is correct. Shows he has faith in himself long term. Its always a risk no matter what you do but he is young and opportunities will come. Perhaps Real in a year even.
As a Spanish speaking Brit I'm clutching my pearls over you saying Zabi Alonso. Where are my smelling salts?
Or " Jabby".Where do the get it from?
its a b not a v sound indeed. xavi, not sure whar youre on about re smelling salts?
@@PazLeBon ?????
@@demejiuk5660 you said it dumbo pmsl
@@PazLeBon He's referring to the X ,not the V
Ya, ya. “I didn’t think so”.
AVB was independently wealthy though.
Listen the athletic is good level of journalism compared to other options out there however I have to call these guys out.. for weeks these guys dropped all our inboxs constantly with "alonso to pool or alonso to bayern" constantly and then the swift climbdown and excuses around why he is staying is just incredible.
Journalism these days can be wrong more than they are right and nobody is accountable... its click bait and really only for those who need help passing the hours of the day reading about stuff that will never happen.
If we were all wrong in our jobs as much as the football press we would be unemployed.
I was cringing listening to these guys sidestep how much they had been saying the opposite recently.
👎🏻💩
Nagelsmann is the only one who can follow Klopp. Nagelsmann has Cl Experience, didn't even concede a goal with Bayern in the cl. Has next to Pep Guardiola the best Point avarage. He just formed the German national team to a winning side, after a few games.
I think you are right and hope he doesn't go and knocks you back too 😂.
I rate Inzaghi as he's got the experience to be a Manager of a club like Liverpool.
@@ibrstellar1080 doesnt speaketh englsh never mind scouse:)
julian nagelsmann is the best option. he was great with bayern and he plays similar to klopp plus he’s super young
99.9% won't happen but Ange Postecoglou would be a good manager for Liverpool. Just my opinion
100000%
Like some of the comments here. Maybe you guys are right. He might be going to Real Madrid, but how often do you have a chance to manage Liverpool FC?
i feel i can name about 6 the last ten years tbh
Andoni Iraola for me.
The smiling Spaniard would keep the good times at Anfield.
Winning 0-3 with Bournemouth at old Trafford gets him on the shortlist.
And last season with Rayo Vallecano, his team beat Barcelona, R Madrid and A Madrid.
He hasnt won any titles, has he? And i suspect he doesnt have the aura the fans need.
@@fatboywins He will be top quality.
@@JamesBermingham I think he is top quality, the issue is the stakes are higher with a "big club". You have to have a quality football, and results(trophies), and an aura, be likeable, and manage a club. Otherwise, it always seems like something is missing. That's why fergie, arsene, mourinho, klopp, and pep are the gold standard. They have all these qualities.
@@fatboywins He has experience in the premier league. Winning experience. Punching above his weight. Playing good football.
He is good with the media and very articulate.
Slot comes from the Dutch league and its level is inferior to the prem. I think Livwroool are taking a bigger chance with him tbh. We will have to wait and see.
I’ve seen some articles linking Iraola with United. If he gets that post, I think he will revolutionise United.
@@JamesBermingham I really have mo idea of how slot will do, but you are right. Iraloa has prem experience. It doesn't always translate into better performance though, poch, lampard, and Potter come to mind.
Am I the only LFC fan who would be very content if Pep Lijnders takes over for as long as he works out or as long as we need to wait for the right guy?
100% agree
I think the reason most fans don't want him to is because he has already said he wants to move on when Klopp does, he said it a long time ago and has reiterated it recently. I am a fan but there's no chance I would want him to stay on now. If he wanted the job then maybe
I think Lijnders has been linked to the Ajax job, and I wouldn't blame him if he went there. His legacy's intact at Liverpool.
He already ruled himself out
hes literally leaving after the season
Lijnders not getting it is a mistake. The only other half decent ones are Amorim or De Zerbi, in fairness I was at Anfield Sunday and De Zerbi is the one manager besides Carlo that Klopp really struggles against. He set them up well.
Amorim was always the best option.
@@scotgeez4755 based on what?
@@ifldiscovery8500 the size of p
I'm a Brighton fan and RDZ is much more comfortable vs Klopp or some of the other managers of richer clubs who like to press. Other sides like Everton, Fulham etc can disrupt our style or use low block and counter attacking tactics. If RDZ became Liverpool manager I think even with better players he'd still struggle against teams which stifle his style of football.
Emery?
Amorim, Motta or Inzaghi for me
Journalists and their speculation and click bait. Why would he move, he takes his team to the top and as such wants to represent himself and club and team in the UCL. You guys have never played and don’t understand emotion, passion and loyalty
Zabi, Jabi....ffs.The best thing about him coming to England is not hearing people butchering his name
I’m sure ETH will soon be available.
I like Thomas Frank, or Pep Ljinders
David ornstein needs to let the others speak
@eazyollie9370 Well I go the games and I am depressed at the thought of Klopp not being there, I just can't raise the enthusiasm to care much about Amorim. A lot saying the same. The team will get my full (bad) singing voice but I am passionate about them not him. On Sunday I swear to God there were loads of people who didn't even know who Amorim was. I fear for him seriously, I know that ground well enough to know he will lose the crowd if he doesn't hit the ground running. The ground is full of entitled season ticket holders or gloryhunters, that isn't a good mix for a new manager following one like Klopp. When we drew with MU earlier in the season there were fans by me leaving on 70 mins calling us "sh*t", that's what this guy will face. And his league isn't strong to be fair, the Premier League will be brutal for him.
fook them fans, will still be a top 4 club either way, whoever they get
Nagelsmann absolutely is not an option? I don't see a single soul talking about him but... Idk, for me he looks like the natural first choice... But what do I know, right???
Hes doing the right thing. We keep seeing explayers being pushed to big jobs too soon. Stay there and build a career and learn your craft. Become a skilled manager explayer or no.
villas Boas came from old money, never needed a job. Just saying, poor comparison.
Man City will be playing National League North next season if the world was just.
Liverpool should be all over Inzahgi.
Richard Keys is a Brexit dinosaur. Doing the opposite of what he says will always yield positive results
was young folk voted brexit by a bigger % than over 40s
@@PazLeBon the exact opposite is true, I’m not sure what statistics you’re looking at
Jose Maureen-o
Wise after event......did any of journalists predict Alonso would stay at BL? Did anyone look at the facts and say he is not good enough for Liverpool at this stage of his career? Listen to and believe in the hype you yourself had created.....self fulfilling prophecy
Old mate Frank Lampard exploring himself 😂
Southgate would fit perfectly
He is going to Utd.
Professional podcast and people think it's okay to use apple earpods, can hear your kids and family.
could be worse, Ayo could be humming his approval when other people are speaking. #Unlistenable
We should go all in for Southgate
Keep taking the tablets pal.
No he's going to Manchester United. 😄
@@Perkelenaattori United already have a manager. Liverpool are definitely looking for one and the pool is getting smaller. Gerrard would also be a great choice.
@@calumjunior7748 🤣
@@calumjunior7748based on what I saw just yesterday, United definitely don’t have a manager.
Managers have substitution patterns and strategies. Managers know how to use their no.1 signing in the offseason. Managers bench wingers who are in the midst of a season long dry spell. Managers answer questions from the media.
What if Amorim comes in a does a Fergie, he would have missed his chance.
@CraigCumine-jn3uk No. Emery has done well at Villa but he isn't the right fit for us. Klopp is such a force in every way, that guy would get swallowed up in Liverpool. You need balls of steel to live here😂
Marcelo Alberto Bielsa is being lined up .. Alonso as won nothing, and his team was shredded at times by Azerbaijani side Karabak, De Zerbi is not an authoritative figure and needs time still.. Do not be surprised to see Thiago, an Garcia put in place
I'm surprised Thomas Frank isn't among the candidates being mentioned. Obviously his team has had an underwhelming season but as I understand his 'metrics' are impressive, and clearly he's been fighting an uphill battle, particularly without key players being available this season.
Thomas Frank is a park the bus manager.
wheres the stats? wheres the playstyle analysis? wheres the managerial style analysis? you seemed to care more about your own past reporting
You lot basically spent 50 minutes saying nothing
Hey, they said Gary O’Neil for at least 1.6 seconds.
@scotgeez4755 He manages in a weak league though. We'll probably end up with him but I don't see too many fans welcoming him with open arms at Anfield. Replacing Klopp will be brutal. Xabi realised that I think. I would have felt happy with Lijnders. I will politely applaud Amorim but he will have his work cut out winning us over.
That's not the mentality, we fully back Amorim if it's him. He's built statistically the best defence in Europe this season. It will be different but we will be there or there abouts under Ruben.
No sane person would want to follow immediately after 'godlike' Klopp
Why are people just throwing Real Madrid left and right? Real Madrid renewed with Ancelotti for Gods sake
Thomas Frank will be a smart choice
Allow that blud
Huh???
I would take Michael Carrick just for the pre season just to pissoff united fans
Pep ljinders ✊
AVB wasn't pressured 'finacially' he was exremly wealthy away from football!
Southgate
Why can’t they just admit they didn’t have a clue
Based. It’s Gary O’Neil btw. Thank me later.
Graham Potter?
Gérard.
Graham sounes with Stevie g as assistant !
Feel like Liverpool will go through some years of transition again trying to replace Klopp, I doubt whoever is appointed in the Summer will last a long time. It's gonna be like United after Fergie
Doubt it. United were in shambles with owners who are incapable of running a club in the right direction. Liverpool are the complete opposite of what United were, and have become, since Ferguson left
Liverpool have a history of replacing one great manager with another. Shankley begat Paisley begat Fagan begat dalglish across some four decades.
United simply don’t have a similar history in terms of manager succession.
@@SKa-tt9nm what happened with all the managers before Klopp then?
Walking back weeks of saying he was going to Liverpool. You guys are just bootlicking big six clubs for clicks.
Lfc lost PL by a point to ahem **alleged** financial dopers Man Citeh. Just saying
Honestly cant remember last time i heard a female journalist on this channel, whats happenned?
Get Stevie G as a fall guy and fire him when Xabi becomes available
Come to liverpool.
Like some people, I did foresee this before. So let me say it again...
The only person who can continue what current Liverpool team is no one but Pep Lijnders.
Why the board FSG so stubborn by ignoring that fact?
By doing so, they make Pep seems as an outcast.
My theory has proven correct - Xabi is not joining because he after RefVardrid, and because he feels intimidated to re-create what Klopp has done aka he's not ready yet.
He may join in the future - after 5 years minimum.
Especially if whoever replaces Klopp fails. It can be one or two coaches.
So the fans can see Xabi as 'the saviour' without emphasizing Klopp legacy - which also ease the pressure for him.
While Amorim, he will take a season in 🏴 PL to get better.
Not to mention his team - assistant, data analist, GK coach etc.
By then Arsenal will be ahead.
Furthermore, City obliterated Sporting under Amorim 4 goals within 40 minutes in CL.
I'm not sure he's the guy.
De Zerbi, maybe...
But truly mate, Pep Lijnders realized that FSG already distanced themsleves with him.
That's why in the special interview, he had no choice to say, "I only go for the club who really wants me."
That's the signal.
Why is FSG so ignorant like that?
It's the Bootroom, for Christ sake!
Can data & metric show who can better the mentality, the mood, the atmosphere, the method, the training, the strategy, the style of play of Jurgen Klopp???
No!
Just give Pep a chance!
He knows the team in & out.
He's the one who asked Klopp to change the play, or told him "it's for the subs".
Like Barca gave to Guardiola who was nobody when he replaced Rijkaard who was a CL winner.
Be wise FSG!
This is a warning.
One more thing, I encourage data about Pep Lijnders when he led the team when Klopp was out / delegate his duty.
Pep never lose.
Then we can see objectively how he reminds us all about Bob Paisley.
YNWA!
no one listened to your rambking first time around
De zerbi's tactics wouldn't work at Liverpool in my opinion
He could bring in Ait-Nouri and run a 3-4-3 with TAA on the other wing. would work. Endo can sweep, as can VVD and Quansah.
Just find a RW to replace Salah. Diaz covers the whole left flank when needed, and Nunez knows how to make a tackle.
why do people love to put words in Xabi's mouth? Why do these pundits keep talking for him and say Xabi thinks he's too green for Liverpool or Real Madrid Job? Has Xabi actually ever said he can't handle a bigger club than Leverkusen right now and that's why he isn't leaving? Why is it hard for people to believe that a manager can say no to Liverpool or Bayern?
This is just ridiculous. For all we know, Xabi is fully confident of his abilities, fully believes he can get a top job whenever he wants and for now wants to focus on this current project. Personally speaking, I think Xabi said he wasn't going anywhere mostly to make sure the season doesn't get derailed and that they actually win the Bundesliga.
Get Jose Mourinho or Gareth Southgate. Both quality managers.
Obviously it's David Moyes for Liverpool because the MSM tell us west ham.fans he's to good for us 😂
Journalists explaining how they lied all along cuz they knew he isn’t leaving 😂
Could Unai Emery be a suitable choice for LFC? If Steven Gerrard achieved Emery's current success at Aston Villa, would Liverpool fans easily advocate for Gerrard to succeed Klopp?
Tuchel seems obvous choice as a neutral, gung ho way of playing footie
Not a chance in hell. TT famous for alienating everyone he’s ever worked with. Quickly too. He got a raw deal at Chelsea, he’s capable, but not the right personality for Liverpool.
@@SKa-tt9nm maybe, never know if hes been right or wrong tho i suppose tho. but yeah i hear ya
Why is Richard Keys always chatting absolute shit
🔴 Ornstein talks too much and for way too long. It's quite annoying. 🔴
cool it with the anti-semitism bruv
Allardyce or Warnock should be considered.
ONLY FOR ONE MINUTE not much more
Di zerbi 😂
Brentford
What are you laughing at yous are getting Southgate or Potter 😂😂
@@eazyollie9370 ten haag will still be at United for another year.
Just enough time for Michael Carrick to win championship 😎
@@jzilla1234😬🤦🏻♂️🤣
Zabi Alonso.