Real Madrid & the Role of Tactics at Elite Teams
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Does a team need a complex tactical structure to be elite?
In recent times we have seen complex tactical approaches from managers and clubs like Pep Guardiola’s Manchester City, Thomas Tuchel’s Chelsea, Jurgen Klopp’s Liverpool and even Julian Nagelsmann’s Bayern Munich. But does a club need one to be successful? Real Madrid would argue not.
Jon Mackenzie explains, Marco Bevilacqua illustrates.
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Carlo Ancelotti: "I am not an obsessive manager. I really like football, it's my passion, but I try to run things as simply as possible. To me, football is not complicated, it's simple. So is the strategy of the games, it shouldn't complicate things. Because there's two aspects: defence and attack. Attacking is more about creativity, and defending is more about organizination. I believe I can give more to the players in the defensive aspect than in the offensive aspect. I can organize them to defend well, but the attacking aspect is about talent and creativity and I don't want to get in the way of that talent. Am I supposed to tell Benzema how to move inside the box, train certain movements with him? No, he doesn't need that. The passes that Modric pulls out of nowhere: do you think I ever tell him "pass the ball like this, if this player moves here you do that"? No, that's all him."
Man knows Ball.
The moments when he talked abt the situation with marcelo and kroos abt what to do in the game shows and proves that he let the players free and think for themselves
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Zidane's Madrid with the 3 peat also was similar in the sense that Zidane gave his players freedom, he gave tactical instructions, in game tweaks, and basic structure, but he knew he had elite players that didn't need stringent systems. That's why they won so much in historic fashion. Because great players need managers that trust them and help them to get the best out of themselves and the team.
Actually, Real always needs a coach who let's the players play with a fine touch on keeping the entire team at balance. Probably the reason why mourinho eventually had his fallout. Mourinho is the special one but at real he should have tried to show less of that. But then, he's Portuguese and Portuguese are extremely proud people.
Other examples would include Vicente del Bosque and Jupp Heynckes even though Heynckes apparently had his issues with the stars as well.
Benitez before him tried teaching Cristiano Ronaldo how to shoot lol.
I mean players like that would never need instructions, they're amazing footballers, they just need the basic gameplan and it's done.
I also think Pep's city team can have that freedom and absolutely smash it
@@alibarznji2000 He also told Modric not use the outside of the boot 😂
@@shakik19 😂😂😂, I wouldn't be surprised 😂😂😂
@@shakik19 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Real Madrid strength lies in knowing how to maximise their strengths and minimise their weaknesses. They have embraced suffering as a normal part of the game which makes them psychologically superior to any team.
No vardrid buys refs that's how they win
Well said
@@makchot3263 I wouldn’t say that. What specific moments are you referring to?
@@makchot3263 cry
@@makchot3263 must be a fan of those oil clubs lmao
Another notable problem with very systematic playstyles is that you become predictable, especially if you are a big club. Of course, knowing what the oponent is going to do and actually managing to counter it is another matter.
The Pep boys just don't want to understand that
Yeah Ancelotti after the final said that it was easy to prepare a game plan against Liverpool, cause they have a set system
True that, Liverpool especially are very predictable. If you defend deep against them they will resort to useless, countless crosses that result to nothing. We've seen it recently in the CL final and against Spurs in PL
@@pyry6479 SsHhh....don't say that, it'll rile up their hooligan fans
@@d3m1g0d4 Liverpool fan here and I agree, it is by far our biggest flaw. It actually happened most recently against Crystal Palace. However I still don’t appreciate you assuming that all kopites same and are “Hooligans”, generalisation of groups of people leads to toxicity. This is the case in football, politics, race, and so many more things. Good day.
Elite clubs still need system to compete. Trying to imitate this Real Madrid is way too risky. They are able to stay calm and focused on winning despite losing possession and having less chances because they know. That knowledge was collected through the years. Ever since La Decima to the 3 UCLs back to back with Zizou and including hard years after Ronaldo left. Through victory and defeat this team became immortal. Youngsters like Vini Jr, Rodrygo and Camavinga were massive for the victory but they needed the old guard to make sure it goes well and they did. Carlo was the perfect man for this changing room because of the way he can manage players. He saw people that won too much and talented youngsters then assured them they can't lose. I'm being a little cringe here, but as the Arsenal of 2004 are remembered as the Invincibles, I will remember this Real Madrid of 21-22 as the Immortals.
"The Immortals" is a perfect nickname for Real's big four (Modric, Kroos, Casemiro, Benzema) that won 5 Champions Leagues in 8 years.
is also about mentorship. passing a winning mentality from cristiano and ramos down to modric, casemiro verene, or benz and then to vini , camavinga, militao, and now Tchouameni, and from them to whoever is the new young guy they bring.
I think clubs need systems. It doesn't mean that you will never win without one, but I think the future of football is like Barcelona, City, and what Liverpool is trying to do. The big teams will have a system, from the first team all the way to the underage teams, "raising" players for the first team. I think thats the future of the game, with a few transferred players sprinkled in for positions with a lack of talent.
Most top teams make 500+ million euros, with a big transfer budget. I bet that with the amount of big transfers that don't work out, or players that work out well enough, but leave on a free contract, teams are becoming weary of spending a hundred million for a player that might not even work out.
I think teams are considering putting some of the transfer budget into the youth facilities, coaching, analytics, in the hopes that in a generation or two, they will have a crop of talent that could start filling in as the current generation starts ageing.
@@vgcreviews8277 except those teams haven’t had continental success and the system sometimes need to be flexible enough to accommodate great players
@@Ule_blood Barcelona has had more continental success than anyone bar Real Madrid in this century, and a lot of that was with a starting lineup of mostly academy.
I'm not saying that it's the present, I'm saying I think it will be the future.
Mental fortitude also played a huge role in their wins. While I'm sure Carlo Ancelotti was also influential in this regard (he is after all a manager especially known for winning knockout competitions), they did enjoy a similar level of psychological dominance under Zidane as well, so I would say that it expands beyond the manager. Probably knowing that you're playing for the most succesful club in the world and that you're almost always going to be on the advantage gives you a degree of gravitas and confidence that a 'new money' club like PSG or City just wouldn't be able to muster.
That's the word Galaticos
Thats 'football heritage'
I don't think the city or PSG can eliminate the word "money club" from their agenda anytime soon, anything that they win will be undermined, and anything they do right will be tagged "oil money" or "blood". If City were to be bought by glazers tomorrow, they won't see much growth with it over the next 20 years as they did with united. Football fans have long memories, so as long as the tag exists, they will not outgrow existing historic establishments like Liverpool, United, Forest, Villa, etc. in England. & Real, Barca, & Milan teams, etc.
Since they are state-owned clubs, the tagline will always be hanging over their heads in bold letters with lighting
@@EverydayOrdeals This couldnt be anymore wrong lmao
@@samramsdale9803 Only time will tell if i'm wrong or right
All fair play and props to Ancelotti, I'm a huge fan of him. But also I think Real Madrid is a unique story here, somewhat of a heritage I should say? I don't know man it's weird, just today they were
1-1 until the 89th minute and won the game 3-1 in the 96th minute (vs Espanyol) and this is why I love Madrid because their gameplay is to never give up. They have yet to miss the knockout stages a single season since the creation of the modern era Champions League format which is wiiiiiiiild. They're the only team to have done so too. I truly understood what Mourinho was saying in regards to "Football Heritage," cheers
Futbol heritage. Respect respect respect
Usually across sports you'll see some teams that have the underdog mentality and will never stop fighting. What Real Madrid has done is try to twist this particular mentality on the other side of the spectrum. Instead of saying "we're the underdogs so we'll always fight" they have instilled a "we're Real Madrid, we're the absolute best in the history of the sport so it's our duty to always fight"
@@giannis.ioannidis.1995 like John Wick. You know he will always win.
Yeah it's so true cause not only with Espanyol, you'll see Real doing unbelievable comebacks every now and then.
Another major factor for me is also emotional, plenty of the RM players dreamed of playing for that badge since they discovered football or have really felt in love with the club in a deeper way. Is not just for themselves, and in current oil climate, is not that easy to have the elite of elite quality players in a club that is engraved in their hearts, that also makes them give an extra, you see them at some down points in certain games and you can see that they have something to fight for other than just their own personal glory.
Fighting aggressiveness with aggressiveness is suicide and fighting passiveness with passiveness is stupid. Madrid acted accordingly, their adaptiveness to address various kind of opponents is just world class. There's no point for Madrid to play in their opponents' games and fell into their trap.
meanwhile Klopp: we can't score goal because they don't play high line
@@davidchandra8722 This is what too much system brings you.
Real Madrid is like that one guy who's really good at chess at times you think you've got him and out of nowhere he checkmates you.
They're so open that you can just attack as you wish, but you can't beat them when they're ready for ya.
I swear, Zidane's team would've won the UCL had it not been for so many injuries in 2019-2020 season
Counter-attacking football only works if you have clinical finishers. These possessive-based teams can control the ball for as long as they want but if they can't finish their chances then it doesn't matter. Also, complex systems rarely work out because your players need to be 100% concentrated on the match and they become less focused the more fatigued they are. It's also difficult to make adjustments because if the coach is telling you to do something a certain way some players won't understand because they don't have the experience yet, and they rarely go over every possible scenario to win when their strategies get countered. Ancelotti and Zidane allowed their own players to develop their own adjustments based on their strengths and weaknesses. I remember watching the first half of the Liverpool vs Real Madrid champions league final and I told my brother that Benzema only needed 1 chance to score. Although Beneza's goal was ruled offside it still found the back of the net on his first shot attempt at goal. Minutes later Vinicius scored a goal behind TAA to secure the win. This Real Madrid side was not lucky their players showed up in these big games.
Still relevant six months on, especially after RO16 Liverpool Madrid at Anfield
Factors that favors Real Madrid
Their players have
Immense technical skills
Experience at the highest level
High footballing IQ
Strong mentality
Fliudity in tactics
Leadership
Players like Kroos, Modric are coaches inside the pitch, Benzema's charisma, Curtois a solid goalkeeper and the young players Vini the most technical player in the world along with Neymar, Rodrygo is so clutch, Valverde has three lungs they compliment the veterans and take from them all that experience to handle high pressure games, it's the DNA of Real Madrid only serial winners play look how Alaba was so quick to blend in because he came from a similar club in terms of winning mentality
Real Madrids 2022 run was probably the greatest run in UCL history
United in 99 - barca and bayern in the group, inter milan, zidane's juve and bayern again in the final
@@Sam-bd7gp Except Madrid lost to Sheriff in the group stage. NOBODY had them down for winning at that time
@@ldope3904 i don't think losing to sheriff counts towards the greatest run in ucl history
@@Sam-bd7gp Madrid also had Inter Milan (defending Italian Champs) in the group, PSG (French Champs), Chelsea( UCL champs), City (English Champs) and Liverpool (team to reach 3 finals in 5 years)
@@Sam-bd7gp also Real became the Spanish champions themselves. The only team left to face were German Champions Bayern who couldn't reach the semi finals
Real madrid only need the power of friendship .
Lmao so true
Best comment!!!
Family.
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Madrid winning is actually a huge plus for everyone. This wasn’t a galacticos team, the most expensive player in that winning squad was militao, and history and passion went over three clubs that have been famous for pouring money into the squad.
Camavinga
True but the manner they won it was a snorefest, hard to support a team that parks the bus for 90% of the game
@@onepiecebarca Micheal Jackson, random names game because he wasn’t more expensive than Militao
@@dude99844 word thats why I hated Chelsea , but I watched every minute of those games and Madrid played counter attack , parking the bus and playing on the counter attack are two different things
@@onepiecebarca camavinga was 30m
As a Madrid fan it’s really weird hearing that we relied on Vinicius , Benzema & Modric , you guys forget Rodrygo alot he’s always had good runs in the UCL since joining & saved us alot that’s why he was our super sub ! Those 3 are the ones the media loves but we relied on our whole team and yes Benzema was our best player but the rest delivered when he couldn’t , just watch the games
Madrid relied more upon cortouis than the other players bur Benz and modric
Camavinga really impressed me during the latter stages. When he came on he ran the midfield. English are just salty.
don't forget camavinga as well
Right, it is false to say that Benzema, Vinicius or Rodrygo singlehandledly won the games. Madrid won because the team started playing better in the latter minutes. In the end Madrid's squad is full of top players.
Chill ma broda. Atleast they are talking about RM. Good content.
Elite psychology, mental fortitude and excellent energy management.
Those "lucky" late goals do not look as lucky when energy levels are included in the perspective.
Playing less intense saves you more energy for late in games, and players with strong mentality and psychology will always be more clinical than what it appears to be late in games.
When a team regularly scores goals late in clutch games, it's no longer "luck".
Ancelotti did say about Chelsea in extra time "look at them, they're dead & tired... it's our win". I think the same thing happened with City.
With PSG, it was not exhaustion that made them lose but momentum drowned them totally & made them feel helpless like a tsunami.
Luck? At Bayern Munich there’s a saying : always luck is skill.
Bayern Munich is one of the clubs i respect the most after RMA(being a rma fan of course). Always consistent, strong team, UCL legends, and their fanbases are hardly ever salty(unlike the english)
Amen Spanish brother. Fk oil state clubs
Real Madrid thrive in the chaos, when there's a sense of desperation in the air from the opposition team to put them down.
The invinsible Barcelona helped make this Madrid and Mourinho too.
I tried to explain Sir Alex's Man Utd teams to a friend who's new to football, but I couldnt quite articulate it. The description in this video works perfectly - a structure that allows players to flourish, unexpected tactical tweaks to get the advantage, motivation and man management, but no stringent "system" to speak of.
Ferguson wasn't a genius, he was a bully who always what he wanted i.e. stealing most of the young players from other prem teams and playing in an era where english teams were generally weak. When Barca destroyed them in finals thats when he knew he was a fraud and decided to retire.
He did have a system, and he did revolutionize the game but in the 80's and 90's.
We only remember him for 2000's united but that was the last chapter in his roughly 40 years as manager.
He won the Champions league (european cup back then) with Aberdeen (a small Scottish side), defeating Real Madrid for the first and final time in a champions league final.
His tactics were better than that of the coaches at that time..... What he did back then is now considered standard practice (or even old tactics)
@@shouryaaswal5681 But he didnt win the european cup, he won the cup winners cup
@@shouryaaswal5681 I'm east kilbride born and bred and if i recall, he played a standard 442 but the emphasis was more on a combination on technical ability and physical ability in order to brute force through the teams but the european teams played mostly technically beautiful football so he didnt revolutionised football in europe but in scotland he did as they only had a one way of playing football mentality and it was Arigo Sachi who revolutionised the game in the 80's and 90's with AC Milan.
At united, he got lucky because of the class of 92 because prior to that he had a tough time and after the 92 class had retired utd didnt bring anyone through the academy as much and he only had a weak EPL to deal with and only challenged by one team and every english team played the same way including utd but they robbed the other teams of their talent thus making them stronger.
In fact, Conte, Mourinho, Guardiola and Wenger are the ones who had an impact in England, Wenger changed the nutritional/training aspect of the game, Mourinho, changed the tactical/defensive aspect because it forced ferguson to change his tactics and the teams around him, as did Conte by playing 5 at the back and Guardiola who changed the whole footballing ethos in England and in time, it'll be Guardiola first and Conte, Mourinho, and Wenger second people will talk about the most
Also at
He won the premier league with phil jones, young and chris smallings at defence.
I rest my case
Actually for the sake of football, it was good to see a team playing the kind of football I grew up watching and win in this so called era of philosophy merchants. Giving the responsibility to the players rather than a guy playing FIFA video game with his team from the side lines. The kind of football that produced the best players. Just look at a guy like Jesus, everything Brazilian about him was suppressed by Guardiola but a guy like vinucius is a joy to watch and showing what it means to be a Brazilian, and this is why I hate modern coaches and football, no room for the players and it's all about the managers. Real Madrid won with old school football and they believed in everything old school l, like the history and legacy of the club, passion, hardwork, fighting spirit and both the coach and the players brought into the legacy of real Madrid and screwed over these system merchants with sheer determination and passion and for that I am happy. I mean what kind of a football manager are you if you can't handle players. Tuchel and Lukaku at Chelsea, aubameyang at arsenal, these guy are soft, while Ancelotti made Kroos and Marcelo almost his assistant coaches and asking for their opinions on how to make subs during the CL games, these modern E- football mangers need to learn a few things from Ancelotti. And I am sad for football when Ancelotti who is the last of his kind disappears from football when he leaves Madrid and we stuck with these modern PlayStation managers who just control their teams with a joy stick from the side lines
robotic football
Hopefully, his son can become a new and improved version of his father. After all, he's been learning from him for a while now and I wouldn't be surprised if Carletto leaves in a good way (he retires on top) the club is more inclined to give his son a chance.
@@juancarlosjeanarenas6323 Doesn't look like he will. Xavi Alonso, Raúl, van Nistelrooy, Guti and Alvaro Arbeloa are the "new blood" candidates who are favorable
@@charlesray9674 Ive heard a lot about Raul being a potential sucessor in the future. i think he coaches the B team or the youth side i might be wrong.
Tactics is a funny story in sports.
Whenever something like this happens, you end up noticing that the "old school" strategies will come back even if it does "die out", because later on there will be more "new blood" who've come up with it as their counter to systematic "E-football managers".
Remember that way back in the day (like with the original Preston North End Invincibles and in the 60s-70s) teams played very aggressively. (PNE played with 8 forwards, scoring 74 goals and only conceeding 15 back in 1889). Then things will continue to cycle back and forth, as people always adapt to be the next big thing. The next Guardiola/Klopp will most likely be someone like SAF or Ancelotti.
People forget that football is played on the pitch. Not on paper. On paper, all the teams Real Madrid faced were better, sure. But when it mattered, Real showed up and the others didnt. Simple.
What, all the other teams showed up, PSG led 2-0 in the 2nd half of 2nd leg, Chelsea led 4-3 in the 2nd half of 2nd leg, city led 5-3 in the 90th minute of the second leg and liv dominated real in the final. The argument that the other teams showed up is illogical. Real had moments of magic when Benzema blitzed a hat-trick in 15 minutes, a outstanding outside foot delivery from Modric, poaching goals from an impact sub and a worldie performance from the gk. They simply rode on these moments.
@@johnratnam4864 no team dominated us whenever rodrygo was on the pitch.
@@deathstroke6989 yep keep telling yourself that and you can start by liking your own comment
@@johnratnam4864 dominating means nothing if you cant win the game in the end only thing that mattes is who won
@@johnratnam4864 if they really showed up they wouldve won lmao
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Great explanation and analysis as always from Tifo. Ancelotti is a genius when it comes to bringing out the best out of his players.
I might add as well, that Madrid has had a long period of building since Perez came in the 2000s, that made them realize that signing big names at one transfer windows might not always work for best for the team. In 2009 they signed all the big names that were available, yet when the season closed, no trophies were added. Not until 2012 when there's balance in the squad they won their first trophy under Mourinho, and then La Liga, and the decima with Ancelotti a couple of years later, then the rest of the decade is history and achievements for them, at least in UCL. Also, I see a structure at Madrid, which I see many clubs lack nowadays, senior players and management play a bigger role in the nurturing of culture in the club, something that is missing in many other clubs.
Last but not least, is how Madrid have that mentality of not giving up. Real Madrid have been accustomed to being doubted, questioned, and sometime misjudged by other teams, even their own fans, that makes the player and management even more motivated to prove that they need to win for the badge of Real. But that's what makes this club so special and dearly to myself, is that every single season, the whole world is doubting us, and at the end, Madrid always prevails.
Madrid played with intelligence on the field with players like Benzema, Modric, Kroos, Alaba often changing systems during play. Contrast this with the Pep system or the Klopp system where the team played according to the coach. Players like Valverde played all across the front line and Modric and Kroos often became right and left backs. Madrid actually played completely different in the last 15 to what they played in the top 75. Even their new recruits Camavinga and Tchoumeni hardly hold traditional positions during play.
Ancelotti and Zidane: Give the ball to Benzema and Cristiano = 14 Champions Leagues
6 Champions Leagues
Nope. He didn't ask to give the ball to anyone.
Otherwise they got too predictable
@@augustushananvillaramaramo1213 they told me this was their tactics
Can’t wait to see them at Celtic park and can’t wait to travel to madrid for the away leg. My two teams going head to head I’m so excited. Hopefully it’ll be a fixture like city v Celtic in 2017 where we drew 3-3.
As a RM honestly, the Celtic ground is gonna be our toughest battle in the Group Stage, and I would say the 3rd hardest game in the next 2 months, where we have a Clasico and a derby against Atleti... so yeah, please take it easy on us 🙏
@@theartenthusiast1932 Respect bro 🍀🇪🇸
@@theartenthusiast1932 Hopefully we both hammer RB Leipzeg 🙏
The ancelotti system will only work if you have elite players but system based can easily work in less talented players
He did get 59 points at Everton without fans, and as an Everton fan he eeked out everything from our players. We had no pace in the team, a slow midfield and he still got a good points total.
lmao what less talented teams or poor has gaurdiola and klopp coached? barca Bayern Dortmund pool city? city and pool literally buy elite players every year...meanwhile Ancelotti coached parma Napoli and everton and brought out decent 2nd 3rd and best season for everton from them with less talented players. Talk when pep or klopp does that with aston villa brighton or celtavigo
@@sakethvelikanti3917 I think you're downplaying Klopp's achievements. His double-winning team from 2012, while decent definitely wasn't the best Dortmund team in history. It's not a stretch to say that it greatly overperformed that time and in the UCL charge next season, with guys like Neven Subotic and Kevin Großkreutz. Großkreutz in particular wouldn't be good enough for the third tier football under any other coach, and he started in the UCL final against Bayern Munich. Though it has to be said that he was only the starting left winger because Marco Reus had to play as CAM as BVB's main number 10 was... a bit busy at the time. Klopp had that ability to bring the best out of every player. At least I don't know any other coach that would make Subotic win 1v1 against Franck Ribery or make Großkreutz silence Philip Lahm
the thing about real Madrid is that the players has their own tactical knowledge and know hows on playing the game. There will be times where players would do their own stuff and it works and there will be times when it dont work. The key is balance. You need both individual brilliance and tactical superiority
it happened many times in millenium era for Madrid. Madrid is the best to coach by manager for have good man management rather than tactic, Zidane, Del Bosque and Don Carlo is prime example of that
And that's why those three won the 9th Cl to the 14th
Real Madrid’s Galacticos era is already behind them and it seems that they’ve already learned that over bloating your squad with superstars is only going to be detrimental to the team. However looking at this year’s transfer window (probably one of the craziest ) it seems that all over the World, teams are refusing to even learn from this. With Premier League leading the charge in breaking the transfer market, Barcelona’s player registration debacle, Bundesliga and Ligue 1 ever increasingly monopolize by Bayern and PSG it seems that already established Real Madrid as true football royalty as they have learned from their past mistakes then try to evolve and learn from that.
they don't have a choice. Most premier league teams need a change of players but the problem is they need a huge sum of money to bring those players in due to the market inflation
@@matafaka2060 not really that they choose to invest in players like vinicius who they paid 45 million before his professional debut it's not a money issue as they are only willing to drop huge sums on world class proven players like mbappe who they bid 180 million for.
@@Gtdmilon514 no you seem to not understand. Vinicius was bought from flamengo which won't demand extremely high prices for him since they are not from the top 5 leagues. Prices of players are affected from whichever club they were from, how long their contracts last e.t.c
@@Gtdmilon514 mbappe came from psg who valued him highly. Psg didn't want to sell mbappe and hence put his price tag that high. Some clubs are willing to fork out insane amount of money because they truely believe the player could do it
@@matafaka2060 mbappe comes from Monaco also 45 million in 2018 was a lot of money and is the record highest transfer of an under 18 in history lol flamengo didn't sell cheap also that's what mbappe is worth lol players like Antony are being sold for 100 mil and even vini is valued above 200 mil by Madrid.
It always made me laugh when I heard some English pundits cry about Madrid's luck.
You don't beat Inter -> PSG -> Chelsea -> City -> Liverpool just by luck.
Great video btw
But bro... "PrEMieR LeaGUe is tHE BeSt LeaGUe"
Jamie Carragher and Micah Richards comes to mind
@@amiryusuf8815 The greatest players of all time lol
bro winning always has an element of luck to it. if not then the team with the best players wins everything all the time
@@andrewkaweesi3712 "just by luck" are the key words i guess
Up to a certain point tactics are important, but the players have to do their jobs on the field. I think that you implement a system for defending as a unit and set up play structure for attack but you have to let the players have some freedom. If not you can hold players back. Look at Lukaku. Couldn’t do anything at Chelsea, then look at him on other teams, he scores a goal every other game. The system held him back. A world class player being held back by tactics and the system. The players need to be flexible but so do the managers…
Don't think Lukaku is a good example, mate. His best form was under Conte at Inter, a coach who has a great tactical insight and is pretty much system oriented.
wrong example, Lukaku is a system player.
I can't think of many players who worked under Guardiola and were "held back" due to the strong tactical system. The ones who didn't work out for Guardiola for example were Ibrahimovic or Mandzukic, but that was due their eccentric personalities and massive egos. On the other hand, players like Messi, Xavi, Pedro, Iniesta, Dani Alves, Lahm, Boateng, De Bruyne, Cancelo, Walker, Fernandinho, Rodri, Sterling (between 2017 and 2019), Bernardo Silva reached their peak under him.
Ozil a good example under Emery or Arteta
I remember reading when Sir Ancelotti was the manager of Bayern, the training was so lax that the players booked a field to train extra as Ancelotti didn't allow them to train at the club's training field.
Apparently he wanted to prolong the careers of older players like Lahm, Robben, Alonso and Ribery.
@@sukhdevr3489 Robben and Ribery were both against Ancelotti and we're one of the first to want him out in 2017-2018 season which saw Heynckes return
@@ascendedlad1955 Ok, but he still wanted to prolong their careers.
Gotta say great analysis! But although this video does point out correctly that Real Madrid are using/relying on their superstars collective performances to win matches in the CL, I do think that it missed out on pointing that their opponents do have very very talented galacticos themselves as well. We can't say that Real Madrid have more Galacticos than PSG, Man City and Liverpool that's why they won.
I think the video just missed out on the point that the over reliance on the coach to decide every single detail of the tactics during the game and also relying solely on a single philosophy and then sticking to it till the end can cost you the CL. While on the other hand coaches like Ancelotti and also Zidane during his threepeat years were they stick to a very open basic structure were even the players themselves have the freedom to make or suggest changes on the fly can win you one. We've seen this in action with the KCM midfield a lot of times back then and just this recent CL win. I'd argue that, it's actually Real Madrid through the years are the most tactical team out there simply because they hadn't relied and stick to a single doctrine during their UCL winning years.
but having a playmaker that Luka is, is a cheat code any day
@@andrewkaweesi3712 having de bryune also a cheat code
@@andrewkaweesi3712 Yeah, we love Luka, the guy must have a Lazarus Pit on his house or something like that, it will be a sad day for football when he retires
I have always said Pep Guardiola's system holds players back. Just look at Gabriel Jesus, he is lighting the Premier League on fire at the moment as he is being given the freedom to showcase his talent under Arteta which he could not do under Pep. Pep wants his players to function in his efficient robotic system which produces results but does not allow players to express themselves.
I say it is too soon to judge Jesus and Arsenal
And now take look at Haaland goal machine that is kind of striker city need not jesus!
I think jesus has been wasteful at times too for city, taking too long to shoot or making wrong decisions, but that might be down to the lack of space that opponents give city. Although opponents do so in react to guardiola's tactic so you probably have a point
Very true, couldn't agree more. Pep's system is actually more rigid than fluid if you look closer. Resulted in needing a very specific players to be able to achieve the result and maintain it. No doubt he has won many trophies with this system, but it's not sustainable. Yet, everyone thinks he delivers a "beautiful" football lol.
Arteta has a similar philosophy to Pep. Gabriel Jesus has had similar runs for City before. Good for him that he's playing well again but he had his chances at City but he wasn't consistent with his finishing. If you look at many city players like Sterling and even Muller, their best scoring runs were under rigid Pep
As a hardcore football fan i will always prefer witnessing the talent & brilliance of individuals exploiting in front of my eyes more than a system in perfect order. I think people who enjoy watching a system more are nerds and probably never played football themselves to feel the freedom and what football was always about, having fun.
Hey! Someone can be a nerd and dislike systems in football...
Real Madrid during that Title Winning Champions League run were the embodiment of the phrase "The cream rises to the top". They may have trailed almost the entire match but they rose to the top and to victory time and time again!
Once madrid exerted control they make other teams overthink and that's why their heads drop
They can beat any type of press with their midfield and dictate their game and their own pace
Fantastic video. Also worth mentioning Fergie in the same vein as Ancelotti. All of his former players have said he would never "overcoach" their attacking movements and would simply create a solid base to build from. Obviously this was in the pre-gegenpressing era but the same principles
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Really beautiful visuals in this one, thank you Tifo for putting so much work into this.
Wonder if clubs like City will start employing 2 managers, for league and knockout tournaments
Most of the work is off pitch, would be confusing, unless are two teams also
@@RoyMatzem Well they already have squad depth of 2 teams, and players also play for their nations and are tactically more flexible than players ever before. Just food for thought
@@thedislikebutton163 no man. we have small squad this season, most of our bench are unproven academy players. no joke just take a look
Based on this video I think that a system takes you through a league system, because by design a system is consistent and produces good baseline results. But leaving the players to act for themselves works well in a knockout format, where you don't have to be better over a season, you just have to be better on that particular day. Play 100 times, and the system will win 70. But that 30 is where Madrid operate.
You out of all have truly understood the essence of this video
but Madrid do win league titles too they hav 36 to be precise
As a Barca fan I obviously hate the fact that Madrid won yet another champions league but to say they were "lucky" is simply stupid and show lack of footballing knowing in people who say that. Luck plays out once or twice but if it happens again and again it shows that is their system so kudos to their players and Ancelotti!
On a tactics scale from _Laissez-faire_ to _prescriptive,_ _Ancelotti_ is clearly toward the former extreme. His tethering to prescription has decreased as the average quality of player at his disposal has increased. His exceptional man management skills are the perfect complement to his minimally prescriptive approach as he essentially primes players to typically expend lower levels of energy than most opposition teams whilst bringing their technical gifts into full effect for limited, often efficacious spells.
_Paris, 2022-05-28_ will always be the _Courtois_ shutout. He needed to perform at an historical level on the night. At some point in proceedings, he had mentally defeated our attackers.
A tangential observation on the 3 best tacticians in the game, _Klopp, Guardiola and Conte:_ _Guardiola's_ ball domination cannot be accomplished without top-drawer technicians in just about every position. _Klopp_ and _Conte,_ on the other hand don't need technically brilliant players to attain their top-tier tactical efficacy. What _Klopp_ needs more than any other quality is insane physical fitness. So much so that injury setbacks might metastasize into crises, as is currently the case.
IMO don Carlo Ancelotti is in the top 5 managers of all time’s.
Real Madrid's and ancelottis view of playing align perfectly with eachother they dont force a specific playing style or system they find the best players they can get and provide guidance required to bring out their best and when you have the best player's in attack midfield defence and goal playing at their best you win its as simple as that
MAN CITY: Winners of premier league 2 times in a row and finalists of the 20/21 champions league
CHELSEA: although disappointing in the league chelsea were the winners of 20/21 Champions final and were under same management and same group of players which meant they were by far not easy
PSG:On paper atleast best front 3 in the world and they had plethora of attacking options and overall good squad
LIVERPOOL: the only english out of 2 that were competing in 4 fronts and the closet team to winning everything and making history
All of these 4 good teams had one thing in common beaten by Real Madrid in champions league last season, so to suggest that Real were "Lucky" to beat these 4 teams in a row that is bizarre and biased statement
What we don't understand, we categorize as luck, magic etc
@@zaza-ik5ws Religion in a nutshell
@@Ajxle pretty much lol
@@Ajxle wonder how long it is until someone attacks you for your opinion 😂
Actually, if you watched the full video and understand it, it explicitly states that while it may "look" like "luck," it is in fact NOT luck but rather a manager who gives his players freedom to display their individual brilliance.
Really good video. The content of this channel is awesome. Thanks, as always.
Also, i think both the "basic structure" and the "complex tactics" can coexist. Look at Erik ten Hag's Ajax in 2019. They played beautiful football but they only progressed through the group stages by small bursts of brilliance. EtH allowed de Jong to be free in the midfield, de Ligt be more than *just* a CB, mazraoui was an hybrid between a RWB and a midfielder, Ziyech sometimes was was wide open and sometimes he was more of a CAM, Tadić was supposed to be a false 9 but scored many goals on top of making many assists. Yet I think it's fair to say that EtH DOES have a system and a philosophy. And I'm seeing the same pattern with Naggelsmann' Bayern. In the end, I think that ancelotti and other coaches realized that the only way players will be able to win and play well is if they are happy and they'll be happy when they're able to express themselves on that pitch.
When we tried high pressing last season in la liga, it didn’t work so well with our best players like Kroos and modric, especially because he wouldn’t rotate and they got tired a lot more. So he dropped the intensity. Madrid dropped deep against small teams like Cadiz in the league even when we weren’t supposed to. Carlo isn’t stubborn with tactics, he’s fluid, just like how the team plays.
The German national team played like this in South Africa in 2010. The match against Argentina (4:0) was a masterclass performance of this style and in my opinion it felt very new at that time.
True Tacticians of the game need no system to be successful
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Amazing analysis as always guys. Just one thing I want to highlight about the video. I just want to clarify the part when you say that "Madrid lacked a functional pressing system". This is half-truth. By this comment I am not pretending to say you are wrong. I would not do such thing. Having said that, what happened at the start of last season was that Madrid certainly applied a high-pressing approach but, at the same time they lost key points against teams such as: Levante, Espanyol, Villarreal and Sheriff Tiraspol because Ancelotti used the trio CMK (Casemiro-Modric-Kroos) and the team was broken when facing running backwards in counter-attack scenarios. That is when Ancelotti change the teams' focus. A 4-4-2 with Valverde first (Eventually a 4-3-3), then adding Camavinga an Rodrygo to galvanize the second parts. So to conclude, it was a pragmatical decision noticed by the physical downgrade of the team in the midfield sorted out by playing mainly in a middle/low block to attract the pressure; and either adding a fourth midfielder (Valverde), or bringing on Camavinga and Rodrygo. The rest was history.
I think a coach should aim to choose the most suited strategy to the players to put the team in the best condition against the opponent: Either be it controlling the game or not.
The consensus that elite sides need a system hasn’t been in question since Madrid’s 2022 UCL win. It’s been in question -or at least, _should_ have been- since 2016.
Madrid won their 10th European Championship in 2014. Just two years later they won it again and would win it again the following two years. Zidane, much like Carlo, was said to have no system, that he relied on luck and individual brilliance. You don’t win a UCL with just luck, you don’t win two in a row with just brilliance, and you certainly don’t win three in a row with just a combination of the two.
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At the end of the day, great teams will inevitably have the identity of their greatest individuals. Modric, Kroos, Casemiro and Benzema are winners. They will always be winners. It doesn't matter if it's 2014, 2018 or 2022. They will enter the second leg of a knockout tie confident in themselves. No matter who they're up against, no matter the scoreline. They know they can win any tie against anybody.
People should stop believing that pressing is the only way to win games. People forget that there are other tactics that can win you titles. Effective man management is also paramount. For example, Carlo took advice from his fellow players and made substitutions accordingly. That goes a long way in building team spirit. Real may not have been dominant but they deserved to win every KO stage.
One of your best videos thank you
Yes sir sad Carlo is retiring great vid
I’m not a Real Madrid fan. But , winning the Champions League is in their DNA. That belief is their biggest strength. You can’t call them lucky if they do the same thing over and over. I have been watching football since 2010 and I have never noticed a change in tactics. They don’t care about possession. They sit deep and score goals through quick counter all the time.
They always had clutch players who quiet often did these kinda come backs.
The wake up call was not RealMadrid 2022 champions' league, but the fact that RealMadrid has won 5 of the past 10 UCL
Don’t complicate tactics. Football as do many team sports are easy to play when you understand the most fundamental aspect of the game…. “SPACE”
Think about it. Every tactic’s goal is to creat space to do something or to limit your opponent’s space.
You set a screen in basketball to do what… create space.
AND SO ON.
The trick is that Carlo is a tactical chameleon. Capable of playing and implementing varying styles based on match situation. He is, unlike most of his fellow elite managers today, non-ideological when it comes to style of play. But is an exceptional match planner, reader, and motivator. Which means he can always find a way to fill a hole, given the players to do so.
In the last minutes of every clutch game, the Bernabeu was ROARING and the opponents shitting themselves. That was our tactic. That's what we do.
"90 minuti en el bernabeu son molto longo"
It feels like this is the video I have been waiting for since Real beat Liverpool in the UCL final. I needed to understand how they did it and this video makes sense of it. 10/10
Hmm very interesting. Tifo could revisiting the episode with a comparison to poker format on how game structure can effect a teams approach, for instance in a poker tournament( cup games like UCL) one could strongly argue that a less “structured” approach in comparison to a long format game like cash games( League games like La Liga ) would be more beneficial due to its short format to maximise winnings by having a game plan that considers for short term variance more
Can we say in this case that the contrary is more so true? I always thought that smaller clubs are the ones that need tacticly savy coaches and approaches. You need systematic ideas when you are less talented. And that would somehow explain a bit why Ancelotti wasn't as succesfull with Napoli or Everton.
Sometimes having the right players is better then having the best players
those who said madrid was lucky are out of their mind or simply bitter, madrid is the best team last season period.. i dont remember any past winners in the last 5 years have to meet 4-5 elite clubs on their way to the final and winning it all.. if any, this was probably one of the hardest campaign that any past winners could have faced..
Beating Real over 38 games is not that hard, but beating them in any single match is a nightmare. They have the individual brilliance to turn the tide at a moment's notice, and there is no tactical system that can compensate for that.
Simply Put In these Knock out Games /Tournaments Magical Moments happen. These Magical Moments separate Good Players from World-class players. And this can only be achieved by high level man management which Zidane and carlo have perfected. They let players Mutually decide thier roles and Maximize thier strengths accordingly and minimize thier weakness on thier on. This is what Jose called football Heritage for which people made fun of him. He was right all along. These Games of football are not always fair but rather require skill set to get Job done in 90 minutes. One major thing people ignore is Massive self confidence and self believe Players get from this level of man management which puts Opposition under Massive pressure and they call them Lucky or Bernabue Effect. Benzema was literally saying this is my story and no body can do anything to ruin it after first leg against PSG. Hope get my Point and another Example is Courtios's massive performance in UCL final.
This is a fascinating idea. While I still think a systematic approach is best, there are limits and dangers to having a very systematic approach, you become predictable and also can lack moments of magic. I do think Madrid did well to exploit these more systematic teams. But I wonder if it was just a once off or if there really is more to it than that.
"Should"? No. What it does do is once again reveal that there's more than one way to play football. Everyone knows that "a bit of magic" has been deciding games since the game got invented, and this never stopped even as talent and tactics split teams up in terms of quality. That piece of magic has never not been a major factor in deciding who wins what. the George Best one man show against Benfica where he "ripped up the script," Koeman's FK to win the EC for Barca, the insane Paolo Di Canio volleys, Thierry Henry's turn-and-blast against Man United, Ronaldinho's brilliance that destroyed Real Madrid multiple times (and got a standing O), Messi's genius for Pep to decide tight Barca games, the list goes on and on and on. Sometimes these moments win games, sometimes they win competitions, sometimes they don't do anything except show individual brilliance. The Galacticos model was always about putting as many players who could have these moments on the pitch as possible and let them do their thing. While the first attempt didn't really succeed, this phase 2 version certainly has.
The thing is, just like you can't perfectly plan out a match, there are times when that moment of magic just doesn't come off. So no, Madrid weren't "lucky." They just highlighted skills over tactics and had the right players in the right places to break down overly organised teams.
About the premier league teams' 'system' tactics, there's obviously some downside effects like predictability and a difficult to manage with a different variant in any aspect of the game, as example, the referee decisions are different between UCL and Premier League, or even tactical variant throgh the game as 'the moments of pressure'.
But the Real Madrid approach can also suffer of this downsides, as example, they couldn't win againts Sheriff Tiraspol when they lack of 'magic' or lose to system-based teams when they lack of any of their 'stars', and by a lot of goals like that defeat againts Xavi's Barca.
Have always said this, system are important but more important is purposeful free flowing football
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Structure is for defence and ball progression to the final third, but putting to ball into the back of the net is talent
I've been saying this for a long time.
Pep is more of a League master.
Madrid, regardless of any coach, is a tournament dependent club. They're not always strong for the full 9 month season.
1:51 you can not say it is fotuitous when we had 4 chances in that short space of time being the first and the last not reaching the ball in time or being blocked by the keeper
There is more to fotball than just tactics, numbers ect.
You can argue that City or LFC were "better" in many aspects of a game, but there is one, where Real is second to none, in fact there are masterclass miles ahead of everyone else
that is mental side of playing game
people dissised that, telling late goals were lucky, but i'm not just talking about late goals only, but more important is how Real acted when matches went wrong. And it was bit of that, we saw that in stats in vid.
And during whole spring, against PSG, CFC, City and LFC, I have seen Real Madrid affected via being goals down like 0 minutes of all those games.
When PSG got 3 goals, there were out, match was over. CFC and City in extra time felt mentaly defeded. LFC were more and more frustraded with final game and their performace were worse longer the game gone.
All of Real Madrid oppnents were affected by events during a game, and teir performance as well. While Real do not give a sit and played best football they can no atter how bad things go.
I think that it is too forgotten that Madrid started to win those games after Camavinga and Rodrygo were brought up instead of Casemiro and Kroos.
It is undeniable that in football you need top physical players, and Kross rarely is one and Casemiro, has lose up a bit. When these two entered nReal Madrid became something else, and instead of the slow passes that Kross was making, we got the 2 touches from Camavinga that makes him an extremely exciting prospect for what's to come. Rodrygo gave Madrid another fresh player that has goal in his veins and is extremely talented.
Modric is a different beast that no one can comprehend LOL
i think what made real madrid succeed is combinations of both, in Zidane erea real were the most systemic randomness free team and Zidane inject a lot of treats into players to go with the plan ( pressure from front, passing from back , movement ..)and also taught them a lot football movement things that are knowledge more than a talent (almost what pep do with his teams) but then comes carlo with free for all style of game "go do your thing" ...that gave the players to choose system or creative work .. think in systemic way but then act in creative way that what made real madrid so deadly ... they know what you doing (they mastered systems) but you cant know anything about them ....
Brilliant 👌🏻
Can you guys make a video on Toulouse, they are doing amazing atm
Real Madrid played for the draw in the begining against big clubs, their def. line was not high so less risky than their opponents and they played possession phases (high passe accuracy with high tempo and low possession percentage) in conclusion they can play both possession and counter attack like a complete team.
The Don said after the man city game that they were predictable, ancelotti was probably a lot more familiar with how the English teams would play having been in the prem just 2 years before. And his real Madrid side would be a lot more flexible to exploit their weaknesses where as a system style is a lot more fixed in its set up regardless of who they play
Doesn't make sense cause city dominated both legs. City were 5-3 up in the 90th my minute
@@Josh-pj7tq first leg, yes but not the second leg .
@@Josh-pj7tq The xG at the end of the tie was almost the same between City and Madrid (around 4.5 both), that's not really domination, is it?
Ancelotti has always been elite in the CL...although he did fail at Chelsea and Bayern in this comp.
Real Madrid have always been very CL focused... its in their DNA . They just know how to play these big games, and win them at all costs even when they are outplayed. They dont have that Barcelona or Man city mentality that oh i have to control everything, from possession to chances....
Some teams are great at winning leagues but others are KO comp specialists...Liverpool and Milan of old , were of the same Madrid mould. They didnt really challenge for the league but in the CL everyone and their mother feared them.While teams like Arsenal of the 2000s, Juventus were the opposite.Juggernauts in the leagues but effed up in the CL numerous times, despite having amazing squads and managers.
Real have rarely won the CL by playing the most beautiful football...even in 17 when they were at their zenith they had LONG spells against bayern in the QF when they were ouplayed, and the whole first half of the final with juve.Heck even the first half othe 2nd leg of the semi with atletico de madrid...
but when they turn on the afterburners they have enough firepower, and yes , luck, and some referee help to get them through....
they just have this ability to win big trophies when not at their absolute best, form wise or even quality wise.Because NO ONE in their right mind can say with a striaght face 2022 Madrid is anywhere near as strong or primetime squad as 11/12 or 15-18 one....
I think Pep also says that I can get you to the final 3rd but after that its upto the players to do that they do best. So, he also relies on individual brilliance, may not be to the extent of a Carlo or maybe Mourinho.
So basically "I want to control every thing, except the thing that matters the most"?
@@sujalgarewal2685 "He puts everything in place to get the ball up to the final third of the pitch and then trusts his team to finish the job in the only area of the field that can’t be planned for." This is not me, its Thierry Henry saying this. You need a good system to not concede and get the ball from the defensive 3rd to the final 3rd quickly, that is what Pep is the best at providing, beyond that you need quality, KDB the other day vs Newcastle and Bernardo vs the eagles are the best examples of pep also relying on individual brilliance.
This is exactly mourinho approach back in 2011 for madrid, or at least I feel that way and the succesor after him always do it this way, discipline on the back but when going forward it is up to the attacking players what to do with it
He's very specific in attack, especially counter attacking from defensive position
Real Madrid - 'nunca se rinde', this Ethos has led to many successes.
Honestly the Madrid approach just makes sense. They’re pro footballers. They know how to play the game. They know how to pierce the defense. They know how to score goals. Years of training and experience has accomplished this. Let em do it.
Very insightful
Carlo keeps it simple 😀
Ancelotti is a great man manager and just brings out the best in his elite players by giving them confidence, trust and respect.