Will Israel Allow the Creation of a Palestinian State?
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After the Hamas attacks of October 7, the West turned to Israel as rarely before: support was virtually unanimous. Since then, however, as the war has spread and triggered other conflicts such as the one in the Red Sea, a new idea has been germinating: This time the conflict cannot end without results. In other words, this never-ending story must be settled once and for all.
Now Western countries are reviving the idea of two states, but is this really possible? Will Israel allow it? In this video we tell you.
#Israel #Palestine #Gaza #WestBank
Why is no one talking about that fact that Palestinians themselves do not support a two-state solution? Recent polls show about 70% of them want a state *instead* of Israel, not alongside Israel. This is true both in Gaza and the West Bank, both before and after October 7th.
Can you live alongside with the people who killed, humiliated, ethics cleaning, limited your freedom of movement through apartheid for 75 years and this lists could go on and on? If you said you can live alongside Israel with what they have done to you like what the Palestinians have suffered, you are a liar. Why Palestinians don't want Israel to exist is likely based on what I've said if I were Palestinians I would rather fight until I die than living under occupation like this.
@@Entertainment690 USA, Australia and other powers (UK, Spain, France, etc) did all those things to the indigenous population of countries they colonised. Yet the American Indians and Aboriginals live alongside the Brits (now Caucasian Americans). Countries no longer colonised by the UK (e.g. India, HK) regularly leverage favourable policies to relocate to the UK. And many people from South American countries migrate to Spain and Portugal despite the horrific things colonisers did there. So yes, it's possible.
No two state solution, no ceasefire, no negotiating with terr'or'ist....
@@clairecatx just a reminder, back then there was no television, radio, Internet or social media and etc. The inhumane crimes that are exposed right in front of our eyes are not likely to take Israel into the same pathway like the modern day America. So what way the Jewish state needs to go forward? I think it will somehow implode itself and it will be weaker and weaker alongside the imperial America in a decline.
Ok. Then a one state solution. Fine @@Entertainment690
The Palestinians don’t want a state of their own, they don’t want Israel to exist. That’s the problem.
While that's technically true, it's because they want Palestine back: they're a colonised people being denied their country. It's not about expelling Israelis but about abolishing the apartheid state of Israel. But violence begets violence, and the lack of diplomatic progress makes violence inevitable, but they're still a colonised, oppressed people. International law recognises this.
If I may make a _somewhat_ relevant comparison: do you remember those Defund the Police protests? Do you remember how reactionaries lost their mind over this and framed it as totally riotous people wanting to abolish the entire idea of law enforcement? And sure, there were some people like that, but that's not really what those protests were about, were they? They were about the police forces being so fundamentally problematic the only way to fix them was to rebuild them.
And so, bringing this back to Israel and Palestine, why is wanting to abolish the state of Israel a bad thing? I can only assume it's "the problem" because you assume that also means wanting to ethnically cleanse Israelis, right? If the single-state solution were a restored Mandatory Palestine with Israelis as fully co-equal citizens... what's the problem? I ask this in good faith.
"The" Palestinians ?
Plenty of Palestinians want their territory becoming sovereign territory and want that now.
@@lodginGood points well put.
@lodgin bro that place is the graveyard of 100's of colonized people just because the Arabic power structure was the most recent colonizers of the area doesn't really mean anything
@@lodginPalestinian = every arab immigrant in palestine and israel regardless of where their families actually come from
The fighting would still continue even if there was a Two Solution with a fully recognized Palestine State as Israelis and Palestinians will always vote for right wing hardliners like Netanyahu's Likud and Hamas. Left-wing anti-war parties are not popular in both Israel and Palestine, over 50% of Israeli's are right wingers and over 40% of Palestinians support Hamas / PIJ. Most Israelis don't want a Palestinian state and most Palestinians really want all of the 1948 land returned.
That didn't use to be the case in Israel. How the Israeli public views the situation is they tried peace with the Oslo Accords in the 90s after the first intifada. Then they offered the Palestinians a state and they said no and unleashed the second Intifada. Then Hamas got elected and now this. That's why there are more right wingers. Oddly enough it is the Jews from the middle east that are further right than Ashkenazi Jews. I bet that's something that would surprise a lot of people in the Western left.
@trogdor8942 you use this word right its not about left right it's good against evil those on the right are usually the good ones who want democracy the left want open boarder and the destruction of everyone's sovereignty
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lmfao israel is the one funding hamas genius. Palestine never like hamas
Quick answer….nope.
Nope, because Israel isn't suicidal! Another October 7th can't be allowed to happen ever again.
@davidconsumerofmath a current lack of a Palestinian state didn't prevent October 7th, now did it? The only solution is for Israel to respect international law, release its hostages, stop its torture and oppression, respect Palestinian sovereignty and surrender its illegal occupation of Palestinian land.
@@klompb Gaza was wholly unoccupied from 2005 to last October.
Facts don't care about your anti-Semitism.
@@klompbthat's a quick response
@klompb, do you have any idea how many times that has been offered. 1. 1937 peel commission, 2. 1947 UN partition vote, Instead the and several other arab countrys with the palestinians attacked Israel and had to be betten back by Israel alone.
3.2000 camp david accords with a ton of concessions given to Arafat.
Each time the palestinians tried to use violence to get more.
Unfortunately that time has past, no one in their right mind would allow themselves to be attacked the way Israel has but they did.
The arabs calling themselves palestinians have had their chance.
The Palestinians DONT WANT 2 STATES.....JUST ASK THEM 🙈
The good news is that although it is difficult, people's mind can be changed
Only 1 State. A Palestinian state..Jews can stay if they like.
@@raffiklausner5016Nope.....it won't
@@sunnymitra6372 I said that people's minds can change, not that they will
We want one state for every one … we don’t need a state of apartheid 😊
It's not going to happen.
Sadly Palestinians don't want a two state solution 😢
Not all conflicts do actually end. This one between israel and phillistines started in antiquity, well before even israel had kings. Remember the story of David of Goliath?
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I see the parallel but the philistines , descendants of the Peleset, were a people of Greek origins.
The philistines and palestinians have nothing culturally similar. The only similarity is that they fought the Hebrews, thats it. But the philistine identity didn’t survived the Achaemenid Empire
For more information, i recommend you the CZcamsr: Epimetheus.
The videos:
-Who were the philistines?
-Who were the sea peoples?
Someone should correct me.... were there any Philistine kings ruling from Jerusalem those times ..even before or after kings Saul, David ans Solomon.....why are people making false claims to territories??
@@cherryysakura7it was only really installes in 1964 i guess.
The Swiss canton system is the only option that doesnt require expulsions
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I knew that keeping the british mandate was better 😂😂
Or the Ottoman Empire....
Now that's colonialism~
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As a Palestinian, heck yeah.
@@bodavidson2804 As a Palestinian also heck yeah anything better than them and crusaders of course they also suck.
The majority of them STILL support Hamas
Statehood won’t change anything
Based
The majority of Israel still Support Hitler
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you sure about or are you just saying it for likes and idiotic clout
Racist monster will never let others live.....
You cannot placate haters by giving them more power. Its a very bad idea.
You can't stop people from hating you by occupying them (the reason they hate you)
@@abdallaha92 haters gonna hate, nothing will stop them because the bottom line is they're jealous people. They don't take any small sliver they are offered and build something for themselves out if it -- like Israel did. Instead they rejected their portion and moaned around for 75 years blaming Israel for their own mistakes. Blaming Israel for succeeding. Eyeing what Israel had built and vowing to smash it. Gazans could have built a paradise there. But all they wanted was a military.
@@charwest9449 Sure mate. Go live under occupation and see how much you love it
@@abdallaha92 They shouldn't keep starting wars they can't win. 1948. What the x was that? They should have just accepted their portion.
@charwest9449 based on your logic any great power can invade anyone smaller then them and they just have to suck it up and give up. So we should tell ukraine to give their land to russia and go live in the us and europe is this what you're implying.
They already have one: Jordan
Remember too, that Jordan took nearly 80% of the British Mandate (which was promised to be used to form the Jewish Homeland), why do they need yet another one??
Jordan is not Palestinian state but Most people are Palestinian thanks to ethic cleansing
To be realistic, that what most likely will happen in the long future: The Palestinians will relocate to Jordan or other Arab countries.
@@hasinabegum1038Jordanian Arabs and “Palestinian” Arabs are virtually identical both culturally and genetically.
@@hasinabegum1038Nah thanks to Jordanian War against Israel which they Lost
sooo, essentially.. there is no solution? sure give them a state, & when they inevitably attack again.. .what then?
You mean they attack the people that murder their children?
Most things would require a UN peace keeping force.
What is normally done when freeing defacto illegally annexed land to a seperate state (remember, Isreal was founded on Terrorism as much as any Palestine would be. And Isreal agreed to return the land outside the UN 2 state plan of the 40's in exchange for UN membership).
Then we call the Israelis names for defending themselves from a situation they warned would happen all along.
As usual.
For context, what we have seen every single day since October 7 and of course every single day prior to it for 75 years is that Israel has breached international law:
1- they have occupied Palestinian land by force and sometimes massacre displacing Palestinians to build and enlarge illegal settlements
2- they have blockaded Palestinian territory and enforced an Apartheid system according to an Amnesty International Report that strips Palestinians of the most basic Civic and human rights not to mention natural dignity
3-they have targeted and killed and injured civilians on a mass scale for decades lately killing more than 3000 Palestinians in Gaza by indiscriminately bombing apartment buildings, hospitals, schools, markets, mosques, and churches
4- they have created an open-air prison in Gaza where more than 3 million people live miserably with no supply of water, electricity, food, and medical supplies
And the Western world's response at this time is Israel has a right to defend itself! Well, KILLING CIVILIANS IS A WAR CRIME!!!! what is the difference between Israel and any occupying force or a terrorist organization?!
@@asoliman9 answer my question first?
Which Arab Republic should the Palestinian state be modeled?
Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Yemen, Egypt, Libya, Sudan!!
They are all failed or failing states
It’s true all people have the same hardware, they are human beings, but they have very different software, culture.
it’s true software can be upgraded. And culture can change but let them demonstrate these changes first
Culture changes in response to practical stimuli - free trade, climate, borders. And even then it takes minimum 2 generations...
Jordan, which Israelis rant about, is a stable and tolerant arab state, that has colaborated with the West and Tel Aviv.
Without being out from under oppression or at least it lessening, Isreal will have to keep dealing with large threats of Palestinian terrorism (as recruitment is super easy).
So the status quo is unlikely to change anything. Furthermore, with support falling for it, the chances of Isreal having unchecked options to violate international law for attempts at quick solutions is unlikely.
Other than the UK and France, the US is the only one who routinely intervenes on security council decisions in Israel's benefit. And it vocally (though less so than the UK and France are) supports a 2 state solution. So full annexation in addition to being illegal, is likely to cause Isreal problems with it's backers as well as China and potentially Russia.
@@Nemerian Jordan is an absolute monarchy...
Jordan is not a stable country. There have been a few unsuccessful attempts to overthrow the government... Look into their politics. The US is heavily subsidizing their government
Neither Palestinians nor Israelis will accept 2 state solution. The international community can live in their delusional world all they want. Personally, I believe there is no solution and they are both condemned to fight till eternity.
There are already 2 states. Jordan.
Terrorism shouldn’t be rewarded
Whis is the IDF and Hamas
You're right. The the IDF terrorists and Israel should leave.
Will Israel Allow the Creation of a Palestinian State? Funny you should ask - Israel tried that so many times but Palestinians always refused. Funny also that all the wars were started by neighbor countries or HAMAS always. Israel has won every war started by others who are Muslims.
before i watched the video: no.
Nope, because Israel isn't suicidal! Another October 7th can't be allowed to happen ever again.
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@@davidconsumerofmathBut it will again and again and again... Israeli actions have consequences
@@bubullibooooo9928 what actions? pls enlighten us...
@@NafGGMU the genocide, your one sided media outlets don't show you the reality
There is already one but has a different name: Jordan
All those against 2 states solution and never offer any sort of solution is way way worse. How can you reject without proposing any alternative?
The 2 states solution was proposed to Palestinian rulers numerous times. in 1994-1995 they always changed their demands to the point no negotiation could not continue. In 2000 Barak administration proposed its plan that had 98% of Palestinians demands (which were much greater than defined by UN) - Arafat refused. In 2005, Sharon administration commenced with a single side action - All Israeli presence was removed from Gaza, water desalination plants were installed in Gaza for free (by itself extremely expensive act), all agricultural equipment and installation was left for Gazans intact. Gazans looted the greenhouses, stole all water infrastructure from these agricultural installations and began conducting terror strikes against Israel.
What more Israel should have done to achieve at least some preliminary agreement? Harakiri?
The alternative to creating a terrorist state, is to not create one.
@@borisreid3053 jeez do you believe what you wrote? How can 98%(though it's false israel never proposed 98%)be greater than 100%(what international law, UN security resolution 242& 338 and Palestinians demand)?
Secondly settlers in Gaza were less than 8,000 and they destroyed everything they couldn't carry! Nothing was left. Water desalination plants were installed by mostly Arab nations and one by EU all were destroyed by Israel, Israel has never done anything for free for or to the Palestinians. Israel collects Palestinian taxes and exhorts huge sums mafia style from Palestinian taxes, instead of adding Israel subtracts, your allegations of Israel philanthropy is laughable.
Palestinians don't need Israel's philanthropy what they need is an end to occupation and oppression, self determination and Israel's herding them into bandustans and denying them movements of people, services and goods!
International law, UN security resolutions,Arab initiative, over 190 countries voting for freedom of Palestinians since 2000 and Palestinians demand of 22% of mandatory Palestine and Israel to remain with 78%.!
@@borisreid3053 what is your proposal if you reject the 2 states solution? Excuses? Subjugation? What?
@@Klopp2543 I can think of some solution. You ain't gonna like it
There is no scenario where this country is sustainable, unfortunately. The fact that elected government officials are such a destabilising force, should disturb any sane Israeli, but alas it is seen by many, as an acceptable attitude in a time of war, not realising how unhinged this has made society. I give it 10 years tops
I love how he started with Israel pulled out of gaza. But didn’t add that they had no control or autonomy over their boarders or real sea access.
The real first question is will the Palestinian Arabs accept living with Jews.
Yes
They literally did for thousands of years. This conflict only began 100 years ago after they were ethnically cleansed from their land and slaughtered, followed by 75 years of extreme oppression and occupation.
Or maybe, they just don't like the Jews. @@bustaballs
You hit the nail.
There was a Palestinian state since 2005, the result was 07.10, never again.
Poorly educated says what?
@@user-qq6rr2je4q says what? that palestine is real hahaha Go Israel ♥
@@user-qq6rr2je4q
We dug out our dead, pulled out the living, left operating business, and Gaza democratically elected Hamas to fire rockets for 18 years until 07.10.
They had their chance at independence and they put Jihad above nation building just like Lebanon, Iraqi Shiite militias, ISIS and Yemen. Never again.
lol
That was factually incorrect reporting by Visual Politik. Yes, Israelis moved out of Gaza but that doesn't mean that they left Gaza a free, independent state. Far from it. Visual Politik's analysis is faulty because it is based on incorrect knowledge of facts.
1:48 "basically been an independent state"
Eyeroll.
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Since Arafat said no to Ehud Barak. That is dead now.
The Fatah did not recognize Israel's right to exist, the PNA did as "trick" to gain a hold in Palestine. This is the declared view of Fatah officials.
Its weird that not even twitter is talking about the west wanting to recognize palistine as a free state 🤔
Short Answer: No
Long Answer: No, it will not allow the creation of a Palestinian State that its even remotely viable or fully independent
an independent palestinian state would just be gaza 2: islamic boogaloo.
until the palestinians prove they can root out the racism and religious fanaticism from their institutions it's impossible to have a a palestinian state
"No", because Israel isn't suicidal! Another October 7th can't be allowed to happen ever again.
@@davidconsumerofmath yes they are suicidal.
Jokes that the Americans (and other Western Leaders) talk about a 2 state solution, in the knowledge that "Palestinians" don't support it
3:25 Should read 'David Cameron, British Foreign Secretary'.
They did before, in 2005, so why couldnt they do it again ?
1200 Israelis died
@@Tomer-oy1hjand how many Palestinians have they killed over the years? Or those people don’t matter in your eyes? Palestinians shouldn’t suffer so that Israelis can live in comfort
@@Tomer-oy1hj They don't actually care achi that's the point
@@Tomer-oy1hjthat’s an understatement.
How many rockets were fired at Israel? And how many citizens have died of these rockets? How many civilian infrastructure were hit? 1200 is the climax, not the sum of it.
And the strategy of security protection systems(iron dome as one example) instead of control has proven itself to fail miserably for the long run.
Not to mention that Palestinians don’t want a state, they want a second state, meaning the annihilation of Israel.
The first being Jordan which is already majority Palestinian and is about 70% of historic British mandate in the land of Israel/palestine.
The west is too hard headed on something that Palestinians don’t want.
ONE SIDED RECOGNITION will just bring more BLOODSHED .
@@Flunko97 Without Palestenian state there would be more tasty jewish bakery biscuits :D
The British should sit this one out as they created this problem.
The only reason its a problem is because the west wont let israel solve it.
@@quaesitor-scientiae And you see it. Even "Palestine's" religion claims Israel belongs to the Jewish people. All Britain did was honour that fact by returning it.
And you, OP, don't want to go antagonising the "religion of peace" by calling their "holy book" a lie do you?
@@The_Phoenix_Sagadelusional much? Based on your logic Russia has right to all lands formerly occupied by the Soviet Union
@@omarid8736 Difference was, those lands weren't forcibly disbanded and their people brought to the verge of extinction, they went independent on their own following the fall of the Soviets.
As for Russia with regards to Ukraine - given the nature of Zolensky's political leaning and the treaty agreed upon in the 40s, your presumptions are as misguided as they are disingenuous.
Read some history buddy.
The light of ra-harakhty shines with many things, but even little apeish lies can lead to oblivion.
Visualpolitik must come out and openly admit that they're pro-Israel.
Awful “journalism”
Coz it Doesn't suit your beliefs.🤣💪🏽🇮🇱👊🏽
Christ you folks in the comment section just want to keep this war going. Give them the damn state based on 67 borders and move on
You're right Sir.
I love how your map recognizes the annexation of the Golan Heights as part of Israel 😅. Something even the UK has not done
You guys used to have some credibility. Sad to see a promising site deteriorate like this,
Palestine doesn’t even want a Palestinian state 😂
who are we in the west to tell Israel how to secure its self. Look at our situation here. We are being overrun and we don't even know it. Point!! Keep your nose out of some else's business.
is not whether he lets it be created,but whether he stops occupying it
Only one real solution, all Arabs west to the river goes to Palestinian (aka Jordan) and all the Jews west to the river stays in Israeli.
This is the only 2 state solution that can exist.
Gaza back to Egypt as an autonomus region is the only solution i can see unfortunatly.
They were granted the chance to take it back after the Seven Days War, I think it was?
They said no.
Egypt will not agree as Hamas = Muslim brotherhood, an opposition to Egypt's secular regime
You forgot to mention how narrow Israel is, and that if the so called Palestinian state was to be established in the West Bank, all of Israel would be in rocket range, like the south is now, from Gaza. Furthermore, the Israelis fear another 7th of October from the West Bank. This is the end of the 2 state solution.
For context, what we have seen every single day since October 7 and of course every single day prior to it for 75 years is that Israel has breached international law:
1- they have occupied Palestinian land by force and sometimes massacre displacing Palestinians to build and enlarge illegal settlements
2- they have blockaded Palestinian territory and enforced an Apartheid system according to an Amnesty International Report that strips Palestinians of the most basic Civic and human rights not to mention natural dignity
3-they have targeted and killed and injured civilians on a mass scale for decades lately killing more than 3000 Palestinians in Gaza by indiscriminately bombing apartment buildings, hospitals, schools, markets, mosques, and churches
4- they have created an open-air prison in Gaza where more than 3 million people live miserably with no supply of water, electricity, food, and medical supplies
And the Western world's response at this time is Israel has a right to defend itself! Well, KILLING CIVILIANS IS A WAR CRIME!!!! what is the difference between Israel and any occupying force or a terrorist organization?!
Tunisian president bourgeba n the past offered them to get their state and maybe in the future they can get bit more but they need to focus on developping their economy and be in peace and they refused and called him the frog of the mediterranean .
No.
They shouldn't have to.
What u didn't mention is that hamas promise democracy if they are in power... in election campaign...
Unfortunately become far more corrupt than fatah😅
And the crazy rise of Israel conservatives orthodox fanatics since that group hv lots of children😅
At least they tried
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As an Israeli I must say great videos
The irony here is that this whole conflict wouldn't even exist had there been equal rights and equal right to return for both peoples .And those two conditions are necessary for resolving the conflict, Independent of what state solution framework is proposed
You completely ignore the most important aspect: I$lam. 'Drive them out from where they drove you out'. (Q.an).
What did Palestiniens do in Jordan, Egypt, Kuwait and Lebanon?
13:37 what a group of foreign occupiers think of the Palestinian state is irrelevant. It is not their land. Israelis should go back to Poland, Russia, Germany, America etc etc. This includes Benjamin Mileikowsky (Netanyahu)
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Jews are the original owner of that land not the Arabs. Second reason you've lost 5 Wars against Israel.
Your view is exactly the view that makes a Palestinian state impossible
Short answer: No
So interesting to see that these two groups are always together and always against the best interests of their country (L & A) (in relation to the poll at 13:17).
Even in Western Nations, fascinating.
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Gazans need to learn from the successes of the PA. The PA recognized Israel and has been cooperating in security matters for decades to ensure the safety of Israel. The PA has been rewarded handsomely for its cooperation. Palestinians in the West Bank can now enjoy the tranquility of dozens of disconnected patches of land in the “A” zone connected through breezy checkpoints. They can appreciate watching Israeli settlements expand and get connected through exclusive highways. They are even afforded a privileged view of the “B” and “C” zones of the West Bank, through binoculars from their terraces and balconies. If only Gazans would aspire to such a dignified and joyous existence.
The fact you think the PA is the calm option shows what little thought have been put here... Or more correctly, what little understanding foreigners have about the region.
None of the sides wants a two state solution, the Israelis don't trust them as independent entity, and the Palestinian don't want it because they either crave the whole thing or they got dependent on the handout.
I'll say yes, as an Israeli, to a 2 state solution, even following Ulmerts' generous offer with an addition of a clause: "If severe hostility is taking place from neighbouring countries than Israel have a full, unlimited right, to deal with neighbouring country as it sees fit".
I say that because there should be a carrot and a stick, the carrot is the last shred of belief and hope the jewish people have, and the stick is so big it will resolve the problem for good.
The ultimate issue is they've had plenty of times to declare a state. Instead they opted to attempt a war on Israel with every other Arab nation, got their asses kicked and have spent most of a century whining about it instead of calming down, knuckling down and building themselves up.
@@kazekamiha That is true, but at this moment in time our lives are entangled and giving up on their self determination means giving up on hope in our neighbours. I support hope.
I hoped UNRWA dissolve would be the first step, as the Palestinians in their current form is a welfare nation, and forcing employment would help secure a sense of purpose, but sadly it does not seem to hold.
I would just leave, I don’t want anything to do with this
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05:24 These acronyms might work in Spanish but not so well in English :)
It's completely dishonest to consider only 2% of history.
Frustrated by confusing & contradictory information, I researched the history of the land we call Israel and Palestine today. Who lived on it first?
Israelites lived in this land 1,658 years before the ancestors of Palestinians. Palestinian ancestral land is the Arabian Peninsula. ‘Palestinian’ is a modern word from the 20th century.
"Syria Palaestina” was the name given by the Romans to Judea after the Bar Kochba revolt, although the name's origins go back even further, being based on the term 'Philistine', the name for a land that at the time belonged to a people who were no longer extant, not as a people nor a political entity
Only the Canaanites and Philistine predate the Israelites. The descendants of Canaanites and Philistine is complex and not entirely resolved
The Israelites arrived C1300 BCE and established the Israelite Kingdoms of Israel and Judah. The Kingdom of Israel fell to the Assyrians in 722 BC, while the Kingdom of Judah was conquered by the Babylonians in 586 BCE.
Next the land changed hands many times, until Arab Muslims conquered it in 638 CE and established an Islamic Caliphate. The Arab population, increasingly identifying as Palestinian particularly in the 20th century, has been a significant part of the social and cultural fabric of the area, especially during the periods of Islamic rule and the Ottoman Empire.
A timeline:
Canaanite Period (c. 3000 - 1200 BCE): The earliest known inhabitants were Canaanites, a Semitic-speaking people.
Philistine Period (c. 1175 - 604 BCE): Philistines settled along the coastal areas, mostly in the Gaza Strip.
Israelite Kingdoms (c. 1020 - 586 BCE): The Israelites, also a Semitic-speaking people, established the Kingdoms of Israel and Judah.
Assyrian and Babylonian Periods (722 - 539 BCE): Assyrians and Babylonians conquered the region.
Persian Period (539 - 332 BCE): Persia conquered the Babylonian empire, including this area. The Persians later reinstated Israel as a country.
Hellenistic Period (332 - 167 BCE): Conquest by Alexander the Great, followed by the Ptolemaic and Seleucid rules.
Hasmonean Kingdom (167 - 37 BCE): Jewish rule restored after the Maccabean Revolt against the Seleucids.
Roman Period (63 BCE - 324 CE): The area became a part of the Roman Empire, with Israel remaining a kingdom within that empire, with Rome appointing the king, until AD 44.
Bar Kochba Period (132 CE - 136 CE): Simon bar Kochba let a Jewish revolt and for a short time revived Jewish sovereignty over land, until it was brutally crushed by the Roman Emperor Hadrian, who renamed Judea as Syria Palaestina to remove any trace of Jewish connection to the land.
Byzantine Period (324 - 638 CE): Christian rule under the Byzantine Empire.
Islamic Caliphate Era (638 CE - 1099 CE): Arab Muslims conquered Jerusalem in 638 CE, introducing Arab rule and Islamic culture to the region. Arabic gradually replaced Aramaic and Greek as the dominant language.
Crusader Period (1099 - 1187 CE): European Christians captured Jerusalem and established the Kingdom of Jerusalem.
Ayyubid and Mamluk Periods (1187 - 1516 CE): Saladin, a Kurdish Muslim leader, defeated the Crusaders. The Mamluks, who were of various ethnicities including Turkic and Circassian, succeeded the Ayyubids.
Ottoman Period (1516 - 1917 CE): The Ottoman Turks controlled the region, and the Arab populace lived under Ottoman rule.
British Mandate (1917 - 1948 CE): British control after World War I. Increased Jewish immigration leads to tensions between Jews and Arabs.
State of Israel (1948 - Present): Established in 1948, leading to ongoing conflicts with Arab Palestinians.
The ‘West Bank' is in fact ancient Judea, the land of the Jews. The 'Philistines' lived along the southwest coastline, nowhere near the Judean hills.
But with all this, there has never been a Palestinian state.
Two states but with the 1947 borders
No
The short answer: No
The long answer: Noooooooooooooo
Absolutely not, not after what they've done!
Also, Palestinian state was already created in 1948 just as Israel was and it exists until now - it is Jordan.
Exactly!! People forget that Jordan took nearly 80% of the British Mandate (which was promised to be used to form the Jewish Homeland), why do they need yet another one??
So apartheid? Genocide? Or mass deportation? wait... The nazis did all of these things and the USSR as well. Learning from the best arent we?
you expel me from my house and offer me a place in garage. how does that work. that's what's being offered to Palestinians. Secondly, you withdraw from Gaza and then suffocate them. Nobody has got the guts to mention this. They were practically living in an open air prison.
How did those Arabs which originate in the Arab Peninsula even end up in Judea, land of the Jews?
They did it before! Let's not forget that it is the Muslim nations the ones refusing the existence of a nation: ISRAEL! We Brazilians stand w Israel 🇧🇷🇮🇱 You will prevail.
The Palestinians themselves are against the creation of a two party state solution! As they do not believe Israel should exist.
There never has been, so probably not.
The last time there was one was back over 2700 years ago - the word Palestine means "Land of the Philistines" and the "Philistines" are a people that no longer exist: The Assyrians, Babylonians and the Persians saw to that.
Those claiming it today, are in truth Arabs and they have more then enough states of their own. In fact 27 states in the middle east and despite their clashes, they all relatively relate to one another. Israel does not and that's what's driving them to continually antagonise them. Even their religion claims Israel belonging to the Jewish people - Britain and the US merely clarified it by returning it to them.
@@The_Phoenix_Saga The palestinians were named by the romans as an insult only 2000 years ago after the romans displaced the jews from those lands.
@@The_Phoenix_Sagafunny how you know so much about a land far from your own, but scoff when Putin details the history of Russia and Ukraine
@@funveeable Hardly scoffed, I actually paid attention and did my own research following his explanation.
Presumption on your part much? Such capriciousness...
@@The_Phoenix_Saga There were Philistine (e.g., proto-greek) areas in Israel 2700 years ago, but even those weren't really states. And as you say, the Philistines are long gone.
As a Christian, i support palestine against zionism.
The Israelis have made several very generous offers to the Palestinians for statehood - and they were all rejected because it would have meant accepting Israel's existence.
After what happened last Autumn, I can't see Israel being in the mood to make a generous offer any time soon. Nor would such an offer be accepted if it were.
For context, what we have seen every single day since October 7 and of course every single day prior to it for 75 years is that Israel has breached international law:
1- they have occupied Palestinian land by force and sometimes massacre displacing Palestinians to build and enlarge illegal settlements
2- they have blockaded Palestinian territory and enforced an Apartheid system according to an Amnesty International Report that strips Palestinians of the most basic Civic and human rights not to mention natural dignity
3-they have targeted and killed and injured civilians on a mass scale for decades lately killing more than 3000 Palestinians in Gaza by indiscriminately bombing apartment buildings, hospitals, schools, markets, mosques, and churches
4- they have created an open-air prison in Gaza where more than 3 million people live miserably with no supply of water, electricity, food, and medical supplies
And the Western world's response at this time is Israel has a right to defend itself! Well, KILLING CIVILIANS IS A WAR CRIME!!!! what is the difference between Israel and any occupying force or a terrorist organization?!
@@asoliman9
1 - only happened in the 1948 and 1967 wars as a direct retaliaiton to the invasion of israel. never happened during peace time.
2 - only gaza is blockaded and the 7/11 attack perfectly proves why it was justified. there is no apartheid, even the heavily biased amnesty internation could only offically call it a system that is reminding of apartheid.
3 - if israel wanted to intentionally murder palestinian civilians on a mass scale, they would all be extinct by now, not trippled in population.
4- refer to point 2.
none of these wars would have happened if the palestinians would have just stopped murdering innocent people just because they're jews, so stfu with that victim mentality
@@asoliman9 Keep spamming. Won't make it true.
Yes, Two Nation Theory is good for both Israel & Palestine peoples.
Too bad decades of illegal settlement building on the West Bank have made it unworkable.
A palestinian state already exists. It's called Jordan 🇯🇴
And where would this "state" be physically located exactly? West Bank ( dotted with Jewish communities of over 700,00 Jews)? Gaza ( Now essentially demolished because of the war)? Where? This two state solution is a "talking point" and people should accept the reality on the ground, Enough already They blew their chance in 1947-1948.
Why don't they just give Palestinians equal rights and full citizenship in one state with two official languages?
Because then they will come to power and expel all the Jews. Do you really want people with Hamas ideology to control state with nuclear capabilities?
Two main reasons:
1. Most Palestinians will never accept it because they hate Israel, and they want all Jews to "go back to Europe".
2. Israel will never accept it because we absolutely do not trust the Palestinians and that will basically ruin the entire idea of Israel to be the national home of the Jewish people.
The truth is that the only one who wants a ceasefire and the implementation of the 2 states solution are not from the region, neither the Palestinians nor the Israelis want it and belive in it.
For that to happen palestinian representatives need to accept said citizenship. U can't force someone to aquire a passport.
@puraLusa how do you know that? have they offered them occupied Palestinians in West bank isreali citizenship? Also do Israelis agree with giving Palestinians full citizenship?
@@moehassona6009 yes, that was always on the table of negociations.
after Oct. 7th maybe that's an absurd question to ask.. first Israel must fully demilitarize that area and help bring economic prosperity for the Palestinian people
Yeah, I'll pass on that
MBe prepared for more october 7 and jewish babies recepies then.
They were free on October 6th!
This has more to do with religion (on both sides) than most people are willing to admit or state. There won't be a viable solution until both parties are atheists. Then build on that with mutual respect for each other's right to be there and have space to live their lives.
Perhaps a state somewhere in the pacific? Distance would be a benefit and more peaceful.
I'VE BEEN A SUBSCRIBER OF THIS CHANNEL FOR YEARS, THEY ARE PRO ISRAEL, do what you wish with that information
Thats a good idea!
Jordan is the 2nd state already.
There won't be any Hamas in Gaza is there is no Gazan left either.
I'VE BEEN A SUBSCRIBER OF THIS CHANNEL FOR YEARS, THEY ARE PRO ISRAEL, do what you wish with that information
so you want that stretch of land in the water??
Unfortunately they would be really stupid to do so.
This Palestine state will not be a secular one or will not remain secular for long.
One of the 4 major factions operating in Gaza currently will most probabky end up taking power in this new state.
All of them being proxy or fronts representing foreign entities, the state will very quickly go from being about Palestinians to drive the Jews out.
The agenda to destroy the Jewish state as a religious calling and perrogative will become the centre stage of politics.
A sovereign state will enable like minded state and non state actors in the region to concentrate their resources and forces outside of Israels borders.
There is nothing that points towards a remote chance of this state being about Palestinians or the Palestinian people.
In the long run, there is no alternative to a two states solution to bring peace to the region.
Such a sweet idea. But the Arabs have rejected it more than a dozen times. In 1947, the UN voted to partition the British Palestine Mandate into two states. The Zionists accepted. The Arabs vehemently rejected it. They invaded the infant State of Israel. Fast forward to our time, Israeli prime ministers Barak and Olmert offered very generous territorial concessions, which were rejected. Gaza was a Palestinian state. How did that work out? The cause of Arab Palestine is a Jihad, not a national movement. So they will always reject Jewish statehood even if it's limited to Tel Aviv.
Oct. 7 bringing to a Palestinian State will mark the beginning of the end of the Free World
For context, what we have seen every single day since October 7 and of course every single day prior to it for 75 years is that Israel has breached international law:
1- they have occupied Palestinian land by force and sometimes massacre displacing Palestinians to build and enlarge illegal settlements
2- they have blockaded Palestinian territory and enforced an Apartheid system according to an Amnesty International Report that strips Palestinians of the most basic Civic and human rights not to mention natural dignity
3-they have targeted and killed and injured civilians on a mass scale for decades lately killing more than 3000 Palestinians in Gaza by indiscriminately bombing apartment buildings, hospitals, schools, markets, mosques, and churches
4- they have created an open-air prison in Gaza where more than 3 million people live miserably with no supply of water, electricity, food, and medical supplies
And the Western world's response at this time is Israel has a right to defend itself! Well, KILLING CIVILIANS IS A WAR CRIME!!!! what is the difference between Israel and any occupying force or a terrorist organization?!
@@asoliman9So you didn't bother writing new reply but are just copu+pasting one everywhere? right...
@@alaric_ gonna cry coz he's speaking facts??
No, and they should not at this point.
How do you not mention that Gaza did not have control over its' own borders after the '05 withdrawal? This meant that Gazans needed permission from Israel to travel and that Israel had a veto over the development of a port and airport. How anyone can see economic development as possible under such circumstances baffles me. What Hamas wants isn't that important when surely they are no longer a military threat after months of IDF attacks?
It's completely dishonest to consider only 2% of history.
Frustrated by confusing & contradictory information, I researched the history of the land we call Israel and Palestine today. Who lived on it first?
Israelites lived in this land 1,658 years before the ancestors of Palestinians. Palestinian ancestral land is the Arabian Peninsula. ‘Palestinian’ is a modern word from the 20th century.
"Syria Palaestina” was the name given by the Romans to Judea after the Bar Kochba revolt, although the name's origins go back even further, being based on the term 'Philistine', the name for a land that at the time belonged to a people who were no longer extant, not as a people nor a political entity
Only the Canaanites and Philistine predate the Israelites. The descendants of Canaanites and Philistine is complex and not entirely resolved
The Israelites arrived C1300 BCE and established the Israelite Kingdoms of Israel and Judah. The Kingdom of Israel fell to the Assyrians in 722 BC, while the Kingdom of Judah was conquered by the Babylonians in 586 BCE.
Next the land changed hands many times, until Arab Muslims conquered it in 638 CE and established an Islamic Caliphate. The Arab population, increasingly identifying as Palestinian particularly in the 20th century, has been a significant part of the social and cultural fabric of the area, especially during the periods of Islamic rule and the Ottoman Empire.
A timeline:
Canaanite Period (c. 3000 - 1200 BCE): The earliest known inhabitants were Canaanites, a Semitic-speaking people.
Philistine Period (c. 1175 - 604 BCE): Philistines settled along the coastal areas, mostly in the Gaza Strip.
Israelite Kingdoms (c. 1020 - 586 BCE): The Israelites, also a Semitic-speaking people, established the Kingdoms of Israel and Judah.
Assyrian and Babylonian Periods (722 - 539 BCE): Assyrians and Babylonians conquered the region.
Persian Period (539 - 332 BCE): Persia conquered the Babylonian empire, including this area. The Persians later reinstated Israel as a country.
Hellenistic Period (332 - 167 BCE): Conquest by Alexander the Great, followed by the Ptolemaic and Seleucid rules.
Hasmonean Kingdom (167 - 37 BCE): Jewish rule restored after the Maccabean Revolt against the Seleucids.
Roman Period (63 BCE - 324 CE): The area became a part of the Roman Empire, with Israel remaining a kingdom within that empire, with Rome appointing the king, until AD 44.
Bar Kochba Period (132 CE - 136 CE): Simon bar Kochba let a Jewish revolt and for a short time revived Jewish sovereignty over land, until it was brutally crushed by the Roman Emperor Hadrian, who renamed Judea as Syria Palaestina to remove any trace of Jewish connection to the land.
Byzantine Period (324 - 638 CE): Christian rule under the Byzantine Empire.
Islamic Caliphate Era (638 CE - 1099 CE): Arab Muslims conquered Jerusalem in 638 CE, introducing Arab rule and Islamic culture to the region. Arabic gradually replaced Aramaic and Greek as the dominant language.
Crusader Period (1099 - 1187 CE): European Christians captured Jerusalem and established the Kingdom of Jerusalem.
Ayyubid and Mamluk Periods (1187 - 1516 CE): Saladin, a Kurdish Muslim leader, defeated the Crusaders. The Mamluks, who were of various ethnicities including Turkic and Circassian, succeeded the Ayyubids.
Ottoman Period (1516 - 1917 CE): The Ottoman Turks controlled the region, and the Arab populace lived under Ottoman rule.
British Mandate (1917 - 1948 CE): British control after World War I. Increased Jewish immigration leads to tensions between Jews and Arabs.
State of Israel (1948 - Present): Established in 1948, leading to ongoing conflicts with Arab Palestinians.
The ‘West Bank' is in fact ancient Judea, the land of the Jews. The 'Philistines' lived along the southwest coastline, nowhere near the Judean hills.
But with all this, there has never been a Palestinian state.
@@samuelross9884 So? Where else does where a people claim to have lived millennia ago make any difference at all? History before '48 is mostly relevant to fundamentalists, Israel could have withdrawn from Gaza and West Bank when it withdrew from Sinai.
@@mrmr446 The driving characteristics of the Andorians is their aggressive paranoia and corresponding lack of easy humor that drives Humans. If you're feeling genuinely fearful of your safety in any situation, humor will be the last thing on your mind.
Paranoia as a characteristic support speech to emphasize your abilities both to friends, foes, and potential foes, so you are not attacked. This the Andorians do continually, never admitting to weakness or fear.
The antennae are an extra pair of sensory organs to detect DANGER, specifically. It fits in very nicely with a species that is paranoid first and friendly second. They need to know they're safe around you before they'll relax.
The militaristic aspect of the Andorians also fits. A paranoidal species will put a heavy emphasis on developing its military potential, to ward off attack from ever-present perceived threats.
Also, watching the dim lighting and the blue skin of the Andorians put me in mind of an ice cavern. A very nice reflection of the Andorian's icy homeworld. This nicely depicts all aspects of Andorians’ nurturing environment, character, and culture.
For my money, they rank up there with Vulcans, Romulans, Klingons, and BEFORE Ferengi (who I could never quite get behind as a species concept).
Vulcans are pure logic over a layer of deep emotional wells. Romulans are Vulcans by another name, logically pursuing military potential. Klingons are a warrior race, to whom honor matters and whose word can be trusted. Ferengi hold money to be sacred. An interesting concept, but one that doesn't interest me much.
I rank Vulcans first, Andorians second, Romulans third, Klingons fourth, and Ferengi fifth.
All in all, a superb depiction of the Andorian race!
NOPE. The only end i see is to remove aid to both sides and let them work it out themselves. If they are hell bent on Destroying each other then neither deserve to Exist. Co exist of Dont Exist, Choice is theirs.
The original design of Israel broke the country up into two separate states, one Israeli and the other Arab in 1947.
We all know how that worked out.
The comment’s section is genuine brain rot.
The video itself is brain rot
Skibidi rizz rot
Both Israelis and Palestinians want the same thing.... They simply want the other to pack up and leave.
Let me save everyone 15 minutes. The answer is No.
Only possible if they embrace secularism and let go of Islamism.
The PLO was secular and had the 3 religious symbols as part of their suggested flag yet Israhell deemed them terrorist with most of the west.
Palestinians were largely secular for decades. Hamas didn't even exist until 1987, and was a largely-marginal group until the Second Intifada. Not to mention that there has always been a large minority of Palestinian Christians who have never been Islamist.
@@88samer88comunism can be seen as a religion. As for terrorism, it isn't an islamism exclusive, a good example would be the berlin olympics one which was a mix of palest and german commies, with a kiss from the soviets.
There is a Palestinian state; it's called Jordan.
but they dont want nothing to do with palestinians. Something someting about trying to overthrow the Jordanian king and get kicked out...
Seems they are really bad at making freinds, even amongst fellow muslims.
Remember too, that Jordan took nearly 80% of the British Mandate (which was promised to be used to form the Jewish Homeland), why do they need yet another one??
Benjamin Netanyahu heavily funded Hamas in the early 2000s because he knew the rise of Hamas would 1. Divide the Palestinian people in the West Bank and Gaza and 2. Delegitimize the prospects of a free and independent Palestine
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu according to the hundreds of verses of Qur'an has been doing the work of Allah.
Nobody in this world including public and countries should not blame PM Benjamin Netanyahu.
I am not quoting so many dozen of verses of divine holy Qur'an of Allah.
*●Quran 9:51(Yusuf Ali:)* Say: *"Nothing will happen to us except what Allah has decreed for us:" He is our *"protector"* and *on Allah let the Believers put their trust.*
*●Qur'an 65:3* - And *“provides him (with what he needs) from where he does not even imagine.”* And whoever places his trust in Allah, He is sufficient for him. *“Surely Allah is to accomplish His purpose. Allah has set a measure for every thing.”*
(- T. Usmani)
*●Qur'an 8:30 -* 8:30. And ˹remember, O Prophet,˺ when the disbelievers conspired to capture, kill, or exile you. *"They planned, but Allah also planned. And Allah is the best of planners."*
Probably not.
I dont understand this situation. Do thebpeople in gaza not have their own elections and border already?
If its not ita own state, does Israel have control over it, but sinply let it run itself? You said israel has pulled out and has left them alone totally, except that the palistinians just constantly choose violence?
England gave Palestine the right to self rule in 1947. In 1948 they gave land to Europe Jews. And the jews have since violated every single treaty since then. Since the US controls the global economy and is lobbied hard by Israel, the Juden face no backlash for their constant and horrific crimes against the Palestinian people. Both Muslim and Christian alike.
No, they had scheduled elections but then the Fatah-Hamas conflict started and it could not be done.
Yes, Israel has troops in the Palestinian territores and they have the region blockaded, essentially under seige but with access to the coastline
You would choose violence if you're country was under siege and being colonized by another one that doesn't care about your well-being
Yes Israel controls everything that enters and exits Gaza. But there are also Palestinians in the West Bank which are second class citizens and don’t have human rights
I guess my comment was too honest about what's going on. It had to be deleted.
Well it seems to me, Israel is letting them do their own state thing. Seems to me, that they have their own problems that keep this from being fixed.
I've heard that Palestinians can and do live quite peacefully and prosperous within Israel.
So seems to me that if Gazan's put down their rockets and guns, things would probably go well for them.
So at what point does that happen?
Would require outside intervention. A two party state with a highly armed and protected Palestinian state would deter terrorist activities aparthied , torture and land theft.
Peace will come if and when the Palestinians change. Period.
With Bibi still around? Absolutely not. Clear him out first.
Bibi is corrupt but his mentality regarding a 2 state solution is the same as about 80% of Israelis. A change of Israeli leadership won't change Israeli willingness to compromise on this issue post 10/7 nor should it
Not with ham as around - they've said multiple times they will never make peace under any terms.
@@incurableromantic4006 he's the one propping them up in the first place. Chris Van Hollen has spoken about it, check it out.
@@TheUltimateOpportunist Ah yes - "they" always bring it on themselves don't they? It's never the fault of the people doing it to them. . . . . . . . .
@@incurableromantic4006 I didn't say "they", I said "he". I suggest you learn how to read.
What claim does Palestine have on Jerusalem?
They have a legal claim to the eastern half, which is currently under an illegal occupation according to the UN and the US.
@@Greatgastly1 Well Israel is the capital of Israel and Palestine only want it because Israel wants it.
Something about "Allah" apparently. . . . . . .
@@incurableromantic4006 Sounds like a weak claim.
@@oisinm332 It is. Which is probably why they have to back it up with terrorism.