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Watch the BBC first on iPlayer đ bbc.in/iPlayer-Home A pair of Lancashire lads tempt the Den's resident petrolheads with a business that offers big prizes - and potentially big returns. Some Dragons, however, are hesitant to invest and find themselves questioning their own moral compass.
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âSkilled gamblingâ sounds like something EA would use to justify microtransactions on FIFA
"we prefer to call them suprise mechanics"
It's not a slot machine, it's a SURPRIIIIISE MECHANIC.
@albert fish Yeah and you can bet their "skill based question" takes actual skill. Have you never seen a prize competition on TV or in papers where you have to answer a question that's something like whats 2+2? This is exactly like that
They are part of our suprise mechanics good sir
@JJ Hunt plus you know what are the number balls in there so you know the probability
Jenny: I'm going to make you an offer.. Dragon's Den producer: What? I'm out.
He was out! He collapsed with shock :)
lol
Mapantz1 will
Omg lol ...
US troops on patrol in Afghanistan suddenly come under intense fire from the Taliban. After 5 min of laying down overwhelming return fire the platoon sergeant yells back to PVC. Jenny. "JENNY AMMO!"
Jenny: I'm out
Jenny's offer was a definite bluff, just so the BBC don't kick her off the show. She was sweating when the 2 lads went to the back of the room to discuss, thinking she'd actually have to invest
gosh u r bad
LMHO
SHE TEASING lawl
omg
well you know this is not final right? lots of deals have been canceled after the show. so no reall reason for her to be scared of having to make a deal
Exploiting people with gambling problems?
Jenny: I'm in.
I've placed a few bets on their site over the months. One comment that made me boycott them, was a guy on the facebook page basically saying "I've got a real bad gambling problem, I cant stop buying tickets and I need help". They responded to him simply with "Good luck with that. Make sure you buy more tickets tho as the higher the amount of tickets you buy, the better the odds of winning".
Such a predatory form of gambling. They dont care.
She wasnt really in. She just needed to meet the quota of at least 1 offer per season.
She also was tired of the accurate youtube comments, calling her out and making fun of her.
gamblers aren't victims lol
they should of titled this 'jenny made an offer'
anyone with no morals and the spare cash would make an offer..
And for that reason, I'm out.
anyone who realises the cameras are there will not make an offer.
Just so you know for the future, it should be âhaveâ and not âofâ
Brilliantly perceived Tyrion. You are exactly the type of pedant I am looking to recruit !
Allow me to introduce myself. I am Isle Of Skye or "IOS" to my only friend and I am The South East London/North Kent Divisional Organiser of The Grammar Nazi Youth. It's , roughly, modelled on The Third Reich adult version.
Would you like to join our ranks as you appear to have all the right qualities and attributes....?
Is this a fix? Jenny made an offer surely this is a fake episode
@@AH-te5gs
yes.. anyone with no morals and the spare cash would make an offer..
She must have been reading the comments section
Hi Nathan, this was not a fix. Thanks
@@elitecompetitions1 calm down Sharon it's a joke
It looked scripted.
Its so funny how Jenny rarely ever makes an offer but when she does she always gets turned down xD
she always make an offer when she smells easy money XD
Well she always pulls out before the deal goes thru so there's no point in accepting her offers
Funny thing is, in her two series, she made more investments than peter in the first 4
Do your researchâŠJenny actually carries through on her investments unlike the other dragons and has actually had more success with her investments..despite her rarely making offersâŠsheâs just frugal and wonât throw her money about as much as the others..
I'm just confused bout how they got the car in the elevator
Dayyan Sheikh itâs called a lift for a start, and the lift is probably just a set piece and not a working model
The âliftâ wonât move itâll just open one door then the other
Dayyan Sheikh - itâs most likely just a set, only 3 walls etc so car can just be driven in
@@handsoffmycactus2958 it might be called "lift" in your variation of the language, in American English it's called elevator. So it's not wrong.
@@handsoffmycactus2958 that's just you being racist. Both terms are correct and therefore should not be corrected. End of discussion.
Jenny been reading the comments about never investing. She praying they say no lol
Chris po
Lmfao
True
Funny thing is, in her two series, she made as many investments than peter in the first 4 series xD
The fact this guy used business a levels of how he got into it is hilarious
He was pointing out that he went into development right after the a-levels, which is unusual.
@Ń ĐœĐŸĐżŃŃŃ ĐĐĐąĐĐ„ĐĐĐ!
I found business studies A level harder than undergrad math... there's a reason why 2/3 businesses fail in their first year. If it was easy, everyone would be doing it.
@@vivavaldez87 A level doesn't go into much depth at all though. You're in the minority if you find undergrad math easier than a level business studies. A majority of the people would find business a level easier than even a level math let alone undergrad (from what I've seen anyway, this is mostly just from the stats of the AQA and OCR boards. I'm not sure how Edexcel specs fare)
@Rich 91 yeah, I know it's easier overall (well, the first two years, I'm not sure about the other two yet) but I'm just comparing undergraduate maths Vs a level business studies. Most people I have met have found undergrad maths harder.
Wengers out
Mourinhos lost it
Jennys made an offer
The end is near
Junaid Amin cats and dogs living togeter, mass hysteria!
5p shopping bags, this is the society we live in!
United lost it not mourinho
Ole is now at the wheel so order restored.
Excuse my sarcasim
Fury got robbed and joshua tkod!
They should rename this video "Jenny Makes An Offer" I'm sure if they had,they would've got 10M views on this
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Jenny must be be happy here, saved another ÂŁ50k
Holly shit, Jenny made an offer?
Lol, holy shit ...
anyone with no morals and the spare cash would make an offer..
Who wants work with a woman
@@hudhastings1
probably not a deeply closeted homosexual..
@@andipandi5641 Women are not good in business its in there genes. These 2 female dragons are only there because of tokenism. I wouldn't risk my money for feminism PC crap.
The dragons: That just sounds like gambling with extra steps
rick and morty
It's not, they gamble with each other. The excess money gets sent to a volcano.
Jenny: This is exactly why I no longer make offers.. for that reason, I am out for good.
Jenny âIâm a Northern Girlâ Campbell
Peter Jones turned this into a game of "who's immoral?"
as if he is such a saint ..... he was a big dodgy person when he started his business
@@zackbrown5201 EXACTLY well put!
@zach source?
Answer: All of them.
@@zackbrown5201 and people can't learn over time with experience? I was a right little sod when younger. I'm not judged by me 10 years ago as I've learnt and grown.
Tej needs some sleep
Swrveâą when you travel or have a young child, sleep is a luxury.
Tej is the sharpest of the dragons but I think heâs more into tangible products.
@@Helloooooo sleep shouldnt be a luxury it is compulsory, we need to sleep and thats a face but there you have it
Swrveâą as old saying says I follow my goals while you dream about them
vondahe And vitamins
Jenny: âI am an ex banker. Iâm a fair person, Iâm not greedyâ .............
Top 10 anime lies
Watchmojo top 10 anime betrayals
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Jenny seemed the happiest person in this episode. Because she made an offer and got refused too đ
Dragon: What if people become addicted to this?
Dude: Ever heard of casinos?
Yeah but casinos are gambling businesses. These guys are claiming to be a non-gambling organisation so they can even legitly get underage people as well in it, hence Peter's concern.
@@yunsha9986 Peter said nothing about being concerned for underage gamblers. He said he was concerned for addicts and for the people that lost.
He's probably not investing in casinos either.
@@schreingeiss That's a great point. And Im sure hes not.
@@bellmeisterful thank you!
I donât know why but, to me, that Alex guy looks a bit like iDubbz
came to the comments just to see if anyone else thought the same lmao
Who??????
Ayham Shaheed he totally does lol.
Jenny: "I am a fair person i'm not greedy."
Me: good to know Jenny
The entire "Skill Gambling" is an absolute joke.
I worked on a Carnival in Australia where Australian law prohibited gambling, so on a stall where people paid money & spun a wheel to win a prize - they first had to "throw" a ball into a bucket before they could spin the wheel - The bucket was quite literally beside the person, so the "throw" was dropping the 2" ball into a 2 foot bucket.
Because there was "skill" in "throwing" the ball, it wasn't classed as gambling :D lol
P.S. - No one EVER missed the bucket!!!
they actually don't use any skill based anything anymore, i've been using elite competitions since long before they went on the show, and they used to use questions based on each product, since the show they've taken that away completely so you just select what numbers you want and pay. they also have on the site that each person can buy 10 tickets MAX, but this is also a lie and you can actually buy as many as you like. obviously a carnival game is alot more based on skill than these competition sites and if it isn't rigged then you have a higher chance of winning,
@@jay278822 Just took a look at the site, They are offering 10 year old secondhand car as a prize lol, The site must be a scam.
@@TheWacoKid1963 check the winners page đ
@@jay278822 What am i looking for? friends of site owners or their family?
@@TheWacoKid1963 lmfao
Jenny: "I'm going to make you an offer"
Pitchers: "No, Jenny, you're out"
12:06 The moment Jenny had to actually consider the possibility of this offer becoming a reality, how would she afford the bus home ?
CantStopCor The Goat đ
Jenny: do you breath?
Guy: uh yes
Jenny: I'm out
Bruceterbear
Also Jenny: is this a possibly morally wrong business?
Guy: ye-
Jenny: Iâm in
Nobody:
Jenny Campbell: I'M A NORTHERN GIRL
And for that reason, I'm stout.
That was one of the most morally tricky den situations I've ever seen. This place isn't exactly a temple of ethics and humility anyway, but jesus the tension in the room
capitalists with morals? or celebrities with images to maintain?
I was thinking the same thing, why would business investors like these give a shit about morals? at the end of the day, the main thing they're in it for is the money.
@@grimsleeper5945 There's a huge difference between taking peoples money and taking addicts money.
i think genuine sense of ethics..
they can already present a good image without mentioning the dubious nature of this particular venture..
Or possibly it could all just be a cynic with a youtube account. :)
are the two mutually exclusive? because i have the feeling we're both right
saw the comment section before watching the video. Found out that Jenny made an offer. And for that reason im out.
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if jenny got in to prison, would she be able to get out?
Yes
*Someone breathes- Jenny Campbell- Iâm out
*Business owner walks into the room*
Jenny:
Don't say it
Don't say it
Don't say it
Don't say it
"I'm sorry but I'm out"
Jota -The Magician đđ
Yeah this comment is really original, well done.
Big respect to Peter and Debra
I have so much respect for Peter because of how he thought about the ones whose lives are made worse by it. I didn't expect that. Nice of him to take that into consideration before going after the potential money he could make.
Itâs all a front
I thought the same but isnt it the same if you win in business someone else is losing money this always has been the case since our beginning of human life i take your land i survive for my expanding family you have less and maybe die
They just said that to save face, I bet they'd chew your arm off for a ÂŁ5 note
What a joke! He is just moral grandstanding.
If i were in Peter Jones' position i would think of the same sort of response. I've lost a close childhood friend to casinos and gambling
Richard Bedford not the company fault if you choose to start. as long as their legitimate and give a prize then i couldnât care if people get addicted
Joshua CC W What goes around comes around. Mark my words, you WILL be in a position where you need someoneâs, anyoneâs help, and just like you, they will look at you and say, I donât care. And you will feel how low humans can fall.
Johnjohntv 69 well no, because im surrounded by people who make smart decisions like myself. and we donât bs either. if someone does something stupid we tell them
Joshua CC W You sound very naive. Iâve seen how people can change, people youâd think would NEVER change. Everybody falls eventually.
@@johnjohntv1195 incorrect
look at that glee on Jenny's face when they don't take her offer.
Jenny: I am in
Guys: For that reason, I am out.
Touker shouldâve offered his rent free offices in London, seems like it would actually make sense this time
Jenny makes an offer.
Entrepreneurs: I'm out.
This isnât Jenny Campbell, who tf took her place?
I dunno, she wanted out.
Nah its someone with a dog mask.
this is real ethical from Deborah and Peter and i rate that
Great pitch because they were so humble. They didn't try to argue every point, they just presented well and gave simple answers and let the dragons talk.
Classic rip off: you fantasize about luxury never going to be yours and they got your money.
@Dion St. Michael Do you not understand what the purpose of a business is?
@Dion St. Michael Relax and go do some meditation
This clearly is a gambling business...
Yes it is but nothing wrong with it if you are straight forward about it.
Yes, it is worth pointing out how much of what is going on in this show is gambling.
Also, people can ruthlessly attain a reputation of being a benefactor, so appearances are often deceiving. Just look at what a bullshit reputation the word "philanthropist" has gotten because of this. - That people thank those who provide their networking services in exchange for a part of their business leaves a bad aftertaste. Thanking them for their selfish motivations? That's very socially erosive through confusing people's ethical values and world view.
Dowlphwin
Yes! I love this comment. M
People seem to forget that any investment is gambling. You are putting up money in hopes of making more money.....any situation where money is paid to potentially make more money is, in a nut shell, gambling.
@@laurenquinn877 investments isn't gambling!
Hari Singh investing is gambling itâs just gambling has a lower chance of you getting a return.
I'm out and for that reason I'm Jenny
lol
Old old joke
Maximus hobbs 7 months ago
Jenny: Iâll make you an offer
Guys: Yeh, weâre out!
of course the only time jenny makes an offer is for something like this lmao
Jenny was extremely relieved. Someone almost accepted her fake offer which was there just so she can say she made at least 1 offer in a whole season!
Deborah built it up for them, and the pay-off is 'I won't be investing'. Slightly brutal, and so good.
0:27 "wow look at this!" đđ Mate it's been there since you guys were setting up for the show at the beginning of the day đ
maybe the reason jenny never makes in offer is because whenever she does it, it always gets rejected
Tej just appears as if heâs severely depressed these days no energy for nothing looks like he hasnât slept for the past year. Hope heâs ok
11:27 these guys knew how fun is their mom, that laugh!!! perfect expression from both.
Everytime jenny says shes out she pilfers a tenner from the pile of cash in front. Shes well on the way to paying off her mortgages.
Jenny: " I'd like to meet yo mum , so im gonna make you an offer" LMAO
âIf they feel they have a problem they can ask us to ban themâ
The very definition of a gambling problem is not taking action to stop it yourself
Iâve actually known about a dozen gamblers who are what is known as âself barred.â The casinos donât generally let them back in, even if they ask to have it undone, due to liability concerns. But the vast majority who have a problem wonât ask to be banned.
There is a genuine common practice in the industry for problem gamblers to have themselves added to a ban list to prevent them from entering or gambling at casinos and similar and the casinos take it extremely seriously; I once had to wait to claim a $10 prize from a charity bingo competition held at a casino because the staff had to verify that my name wasnât on their list. It obviously doesnât help you recognize the problem, but if youâre someone with poor self control but who recognizes the problem it can help prevent you from making impulsive decisions to give into the addiction.
Nonetheless, itâs not exactly a great answer in the Den considering they sound like they never considered it as a problem. They could have at least mentioned that itâs a common gambling industry practice rather than sounding like theyâre just spitballing.
I have a friend who is self-barred. I'm pretty sure it's common. He actually went into crypto, buy a bunch of crypto and then played gambling games with crypto ; seems like they don't verify if you are self-barred... And he lost everything...
Deborah "I'm the perfect Dragon for you " uhh uhh but I'm not investigating get life debs
AMINAHA MOHSIN switch off the predictive text, investigating ? Remember the comedy The Office ? Gareth Keenan 'invetigates'
Check what you've typed before hitting Enter. Idiot.
@@cubeyuk Chill out, it was probably predictive text.
I'm sure you've made mistakes yourself (and that's fine, we all do).
Their negotiation skills were great. Used all they had in their favor to get the best deal.
tej looking at the dudes, his nose looking straight into the camera
lmao but wtf happened to his noee
Barbara: This is not America and for that reason I'm out
Jenny was piiiiiised
@Alex Palacios i swear tuker and tej only went down to 20% to beat Jenny lmao she was a broken woman after that moment
Who do I have to blow to get a deal around here?
Investors not happy about people gambling? I'm shocked. No, really, I am shocked.
Haha they rubbed it on Jenny's face that was priceless! Maybe when she said "I'd like to meet your mom" she scared the sh*t out of them! Hahaha
What if people get addicted to this ?
Well I'm going to get filthy rich
Mason Davies Right? đ
Full respect to Deborah Meaden & Peter Jones for their principles.
"principles" a.k.a. public relations image
Principles đđ
@@jacejohnson7113 you racist ass. Not all asians are like that. I'm from Singapore and we fine our own citizens $100 per entry to our OWN casino to date gambling. What about YOUR country? Does it do that?
@@jacejohnson7113 just because someone is willing to invest in such a business, doesn't mean they lack morals.
And, you added the Asian aspect to it. Stepping on so many landmines keeps you from being taken even a little seriously.
These people have no principles; they merely pretend that they do, in order to protect themselves from public hatred. Peter Jones certainly does not, he would not invest ÂŁ1,000 in a polar-bear saving company if it was not a profitable investment for him.
Jenny: I would like to make an offer
Entrepreneur: Im out
Jenny makes an offer !!
Everyone falls off their chairs !
Waits for decision, relieved when she's knocked back !!
"Whew, i nearly made a deal there. i gotta be more careful !"
these 2 are straight out of a Gervais sitcom of the future
Jenny would have been an important investor to have on their team, especially in an area like gamblingwith a background in banking and regulations
âItâs us two and me mumâ - excellent đ
These 2 guys must've been stoked with that result. Legends. Got 2 dragons on board, double bonus.
Tej asks the same question every episode "tell me bit of your background guys"
Jenny tried to under cut the other dragons and for that reason jenny your out
LOL
25% is f greedy
Youâre
Damn tucamen with the sly dig at jenny. Will invest with another dragon but names taj
I think it was probably because Taj and him both said 25%, whereas Jenny was only 20%. So if he went with Jenny, he'd have to go to 10% each instead
Smart guys, really good negotiating. Can see them going far!
The rare times Jenny makes an offer she is usually harshly ignored and rejected like this. Perhaps saying no all the time is more of an avoidance strategy to keep herself unembarrassed.
Elevator: Ding
Jenny: I'm out
This pitch is legendary!!!!!! I never saw something like this before...
Jenny made an offer. Unseen before.
Peter talking about moral wen he literally uses his name to steal investments from other dragons weekly whilst shafting the entrepreneur with sometimes 50% of the company lol business is glorified gambling thereâs always someone getting shafted.
If that was off camera I guarantee every dragon would be involved! Quick ponzy scheme!
Solid numbers. Solid guys. Nagociation was perfect. Good clip đ
Wanna hear a joke ? ....
Peter Jones' moral compass
Each Dragon adds to the charm of the show, even Jenny!
That "Wow, look at this" in the opening scene 0:27
99.9% of Comments: Jenny made an offer?
0.1%: Tej needs a sleep đ
Hahahaha, Peter Jones pretending he has morals. Thatâs hilarious. The guy that steals 50% of someoneâs company every other week.
Steals? I think you'll find they come on the show voluntarily. Think before you speak.
Matthew Noble Good job on reading it literally, smart guyđ
âMy names Jenny Campbell and for that reasons Iâm.....â woah JENNY CAMPBELL ACTUALLY MADE AN OFFERđ±
Jenny, the chair warmer made an offer đ”đ”đ” and it was rejected đđđ I am flabbergasted.
If it werenât for this being recorded and being on tv, every dragon would be wanting to invest.
How do you know?
The dude with glasses looks like IDubbbz lmao
Who's got 30 pound to pay to get put into a big lottery draw with the same chances of winning biggest rip off of all time
Jenny: I'll make you an offer you can't accept
Jenny: I'm in.
Business owners: Thank you Jenny for your offer, but you're Jenny, and for that reason, you're out.
Unusual to see 5 happy people regarding just one pitch.
Obviously the 2 Entrepreneurs and 2 successful Dragons but the most delighted , and relieved , was Jenny who would have had to ask HER Mum for the money.
Awkward. No wonder she was smiling when she got rejected.....:)
*Jenny makes an offer
The guys: "Sorry, but youÂŽre out"
Jenny: :-o
6:52 Deborah: I'm the perfect dragon for you but I'm not going to make you an offer. Look at what you could have won.
ha hahahahahahaha Jennys face when they took the other offer. Priceless.
I feel for all the losers who put money into the hope of winning the prizes. Gambling can hurt so many people and families. I couldn't invest in a business like this if I had the money.
It's basically a lottery except you have to answer questions before you are allowed to buy your ticket. If someone can afford to pay 30 quid for a chance to win an Audi r8 why wouldn't they?
@Aurelius That's funny as hell
Why try win an r8 if you can't afford it, yea won't be able to afford to insure it or run it.. Seems daft to me
They arenât forcing anyone to gamble
@Aurelius i feel so bad for laughing as hard as I did
Jenny is in but doesn't realise she's already out
Why is no one questioned how they got true R8 up those stairs cause it would fit in lift
The lift is not even real...
I know them both they said it had to be rebuilt to get it in and rebuilt to get it out
Sike
Great pitch and great bit of negotiating. Jenny looked well gutted.