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Edit: romans in mid-high C tier. Good on land maps but sometimes awkward to play. Pretty bad on water
U could have use that last minute for this 11
Hera: How Hoang pick the worst civ in the game and still able to kill you
Sicilians: Am I a joke to you?
Because Hoang doesn't need silly things like flexibility. He ends the game well before that matters.
Hoang clearly the goat of the game. Has reached the highest elo ever and won countless stier tournaments.
Noob
Who
"this civ is amazing in open maps, great in water maps, amazing eco and tech tree. it actually viable for any types of games and counters all civ. absolutely solid civ overall. I'll place it on mid C tier"
😂😂😂😂😂😂
Boy, am I glad this wasn't an hour long video. 59:55 feels just right.
@Hera I just got a buddy from another game I played to give age a try. Hes starting with some bot matches and working his way up to online. Thought you would like to know first place I pointed him towards learning the game was your channel! I've said it before but you contribute a lot to the AOE community and (I think I can speak for a lot of us) we appreciate it so much!
Love tier list and tier list update videos! So much helpful information!
Always like when a tier list appears normally distributed like this one is. 👍 Too many other lists fill S tier and A tier and leave C and D practically empty
Even distribution is nice or with a reasonable bell curve.. When the average that is B or C has the least things in it, it's a bit questionable.
it's because they're p*ssies
@@QuintemTA Just means it's a large negative skew - a bulge at the top and a long "negative" tail. In fact, game development is a perfect example of when we would expect skew. Skew is a result of a force acting on the sample. In this case, developer efforts to have all the civs/characters/heroes/classes feel strong.
I'm going to make a tier list of tier lists.
Hera goes in "S" tier.
All other tiers are empty as I haven't seen any others. 🤷🏼♂️
Another great video! Thanks for sharing your experience and perspective.
I love yours tier lists.
Next team tier lists, please .
And then tier list of Hera's tier lists.
I am curious about this, i personally find buegundians in 1vs1 a broken as fuck civ team bonus BECAUSE ea h relic is abiur 1 late gold vil- 1.5 food vil "about 3 vils early castle"
So it feels like burgundians can rush relics which gives 3 vils lead per relic at early castle, and so the relics give as much of advantage as a tc would in some sense but without pop.
I also find byzantine the second most op 1vs1 against skirms "matter of fact 1 byz monk can outheam like 5 skirms " so it is such a cool civ bonus.
Some underreted civ bonuses are persians too, as knights witb persian bonus kill archers same hits as fully upgraded castle knight can COMPLETELY skip forging and iron casting vs crossbows to get same result as any other knight OR you get both to reduce number of hits by 1
Max tech 14-2 armor = 12 multiplied by 3 = 36 in 3 hits, everyother kngiht needs 4 " 12-2 =2 so 4 hits or no iron casting is 11 -2 =9 also 4 hits"
Only persians kill xbows in 3 hits at max tech which to me sounds like it can flip a fight.
3 hits are as good as bulgarians 33% speed 4 hits.
@@ryanforgo3500 bro made a whole essay
on april fools he can do a tierlist tierlist where he ranks all of his tierlists
@@joranfokker7477 sure, it's aoe if you don't make an essay you don't know what you are talking about :p
Huns at D had me so shook and then I heard all your reasoning and was like… “dang, he might just be right”
Any list without Teutons on S-tier is a wasted opportunity.
Nice outro bro
On Sicilians - if you think about it, if the donjon is not viable (which it isn't), they basically have no civ bonuses until castle age, other than reduced bonus damage, which in Feudal age only marginally helps in the few circumstances where you want to fight a spear with your scouts.
the sicilians used to be overpowered initially. but they nerfed it to balance it but i think they made it to weak.
@@interalf6730They have never been overpowered. They were strong because of Hauberk and 50% bonus damage reduction Cavaliers, but their tech tree was designed around that 50% and once it got reduced they completely fell apart.
Nice rant at the end. 😂 love your work Hera thank you.
Really like your civ tier lists! Keep up the good work!
Hera I have a question... in your opinion, should tatars have bombard cannon? considering they have hand cannoneers and bombard towers.
Love your totorials lately! Would be nice if you can do it once for team games (2v2,3v3…) (for low & high elo and for close & open maps)
“I don’t want this video to be an hour long” - Hera
** foreboding**
C'mon, it's only 59 mins 55 seconds long...
LMAO
Good video! I think a list of what maps your considering would be nice, there are just so many maps and not knowing how much you’re valuing each map makes it hard for me to think and agree or disagree with the points made
Would love to see you do a series on "How To Beat _______". Some of those S-tier teams (especially the Mongols) are terrorizing the ladder currently.
@ Hera , I am a 1300 elo player and lately have been finding an unusual amount of success with pure mongol elite steppe lancers. Imo halberdier just doesn't counter it. I did some testing and the mongol elite steppe lancer ALWAYS wins the 1 vs 1 fight (against generic halbs) with ~4 Hp remaining. In a group of 30 they seem kill a groups of 30 halbs better than what 30 paladins do... and they are wayyy cheaper than paladin, cheaper to upgrade too and it seems easy/faster to get to 200 pop(~120 vills + 80 steppe lancers) compared to opponents going knights or archer +halbs. What are your thoughts and can u make a video on how to counter ~80 elite steppe lancers.
Tatars and berbers can beat Mongols
I would LOVE this for 4v4 team games
I've been hoping for this video!!
Teutons as D tier is wild lol. love the content but i could see you winning every fight with them and their seige and how they destroy pladdins and heavy units. w content ur easily the best aoe yt
Can you a quick list like this but for teams? I liked how you went over everything but the dynamic of team games is often different and civs that may be weaker I think are more top tier
Goths are ADVANCING 😱
They got above Spanish now, I'm looking forward to see them being S+ tier.
They are S+ tier in low elo closed maps.
@@skipper472 True
recently started to play them and I mostly enjoy their Dromons! Their Navi-Onagers :D you can really surprise them with a sneaky harbor and destroy their whole coastline!
Got to the end club. Best outro i’ve seen in my life.
Hey, good stuff Hera. Just an idea, how about sometimes starting in reversed order. Takes forever to wait for the Teutons always :)
@42:40 Big brain play. Realizes the video will go over an hour at this rate, ups his econ, and finishes with a cool calculated 5 seconds on the clock at 59:55.
Best play I've ever seen.
Love Hera for the outros like that😂😂
Theres a lot of power creep ive noticed with new civs vs some of the original AoK civs. AoK was all I played for some 15 years before I moved to HD/Definitive. I wasn't even aware of the conquerors expansion until years later which Im sure will sound stupid lol
But Its really sad seeing Britons, Celts, and Franks so low these days. (Especially Celts) They may not have been that great even back then, but they were my favorite to play. Nowadays its really hard, they dont get nearly enough tech flexibility or bonuses
Would like to see a similar Team Game ranking.
Loved the outro haha
What civ would you recommend learning as my very first civ for all round playing? With my friend or solo. Some middle ground. Thanks!!! Love ur vids, subbed
As I played Goths recently quite often i love their Dromons (their Navi-Onagers with 12 range) as you really can surprise the enemy Coastline and with a whole fleet shoot any incoming opponent!
awesome ending hera, you nailed it
AoE 2 Mongols could teach the AoE 4 Mongols a thing or two..
What's AoE 4, can you eat it? =D
So where do you place Romans? You mentioned that you will place them but did not see it in the video
Pinned comment, my bad i forgot about em
@HeraAgeofEmpires2 where would you put em though!?
Hera is indirectly implying that no one knows yet 😂😅😅
"Imma try to go a little faster, I don't want this video to be an hour long"
Video: 59:55
Nailed it
Nice outro btw
Catching the latest civ tier list within 30 mins of it being published? Today is going to be a good day.
The speed of malay scout rush when optimized is highly underrated
Faster with less resources...
@@krystofcisar469 I think you dont understand what optimized means. It doesnt mean faster and less resources. In case of Malay it means FASTER and MORE Resources. Since its takes you less time to click up you can make an extra or 2 villager and then go up. I will even RISK not taking loom since the uptime isnt that bad and will be way ahead. Yeah might not have that surprise factor that mongols or khmer have (I mean is it really even a surprise everyone expects it) but you can make non stop scouts while having amazing FARM eco. Able to get to blacksmith sooner and commit on longer feudal age (Which you always should since going up to castle so fast for you its worth it). You always get to castle first then and imp too. Malay are just broken atm. Honestly just play Malay and you will wins game you really shouldnt at your elo.
Got to the end. Great video. Huns will have its revenge!!! Perhaps you forgot they have the mangonel-ship on water maps now -_-
Sad to see the Huns so low but hard to argue with you. On open land maps they can be snowbally in that late castle age point where the wood savings have actually kicked in but for most of the game they feel really lackluster. I think they need another bonus or maybe just tech tree opened up a little bit.
This is a top players perspective, for average players no house bounus still makes them top tier civ
For the Mayans they need to make a Mediaeval version of the Bouncing BomB - just have a Treb switch to another alternate form that bounces a rock along the ground like in LotR & crashes threw enemy siege and infantry. It's not quite grape-shot, but it's along the same lines for doing AoE damage!
Can you make one tierlist with teamgames to? Or maybe rank 4v4 combos?
Also, huge love for these tierlists Hera!! ❤❤
Got to the awkward end. Solid video
Hahaha loved the outro
I MADE IT TO THE FUCKING END. great vid hera, thanks for it mate
Content idea: Civ Tier list per map as a CZcams playlist/series
A good work as always man! Keep it goin'
Back in my day 1v1 Huns Arabia was king and now they D tier 😢
I thought the ending was fine. And I really like tier list videos.
"Next we've got Slavs, I think Slavs are gonna be a solid civ..." D tier lmao
Hype for the outcome :0
Can you do best Pocket/Flank combo civs?
Also why was this video so short?
Will you ever do a tier list for Team up civs?
"I don't want to have this video be hour long " 59:55 Nice
To all those watching, bear in mind that rankings are very elo-dependent, and I am not sure of the target elo for Hera's advice, I assume it's for higher elo players given this is Hera.
Take the Aztecs and Celts as an example, Celts have a much higher win rate than the Aztecs for 1100+ elo, about a 5% difference in favor of the Celts, which doesn't quite square up with A v. D tier, but then for the
Nice save on the awkward comment after the outro that lead into the real outro. Also, kind of agree on the last point you made about the 1h mark. The video should be either under 1h or 20+ minutes over.
Would Bulgarians work with the comp Hussar + HCA? They have all techs inc. Parthian Tactics for HCA, except ring archer armor. Would that be a good enough answer to Halbs?
Best outro ever!
Since it is bellow 1h, I got that time ;)
I like how balanced your tier list is. Many times when people make stuff into a tier list they don't have the least amount of items in S/D, the second least in A/C & the most in B, which always seems off to me.
Really solid outro!
Not going to lie, this kind of makes me want to come up with good strats for the D tier Civs & pick them, haha.
Could you make a tier list of the best and worst closed maps? Including e.g. Arena, Fortress, Regicide Fortress, Aftermath, Hillforts, ZeWall, Hideout, Bypass, Fortified Clearing, Oasis, 1v1 Blackforest, 4v4 Blackforest, 1v1 Blackforest but with 4v4 layout, Amazon Tunnel, FFA Amazon Tunnel, Michi, and Michi with 2 paths through the flanks
Hello Hera, I wanted to ask what do you think would be a good change to Huns. You ephasized clearly how they are not great in today's meta. Do you think reverting the Cavalry Archers discount to the original AoC one( 10%/20%-> 25%/30%) would make them top tier again or these days cav archers alone are too weak to do it? In latter case what other changes could be done here?
I think the biggest weakness of huns is camels. Camels actually destroy a bunch of classic civs, to the point I think something like adding +2 VS camels to scorpions would help see more scorps and give all civs an option against camels
I'd give them Steppe lancers and extend their cheaper cav archer bonus to them as well. So weird that a supposed raiding civ lacks them, and cheap SL is not something we have in game already
I rediscovered this game recently after playing it religiously when it first came out and I was a teenager. So, I'm a noob once again. It's interesting to see how people that are really good at the game value each civ. I'd say that a beginner list would be quite different.
I have a beginner list on youtube u can find it! Welcome back to aoe2
@@HeraAgeofEmpires2 just watched it. and yeah. it's very different. Great videos. keep up the good work.
Made it to the end, surprises IMO, Italians quite high I looked at TCI and sure enough Hera won with them and lost against them. I will keep my eye open as I like the civ. Vikings and Spanish seem low. I recall Hera saying he was going to showcase the new missionaries but except for that one game, I have not seen much. A very good layout with good explanations all around.
1 question. Are your Tierlists based on pro players?
I found out that looking at the stats, Vikings are currently one of the best trough winrates on arabia for elo 1000-1200. But you rank them as c?
Love your work , Big fan!
also can you do a team ie 2v2 or more rating?
That outro was the true S tier
I recently bought the DE. Had like over 15 year hiatus of the game. Possible to add timestamps? so when I come back I can easily check ur thoughts on civs.
I've given a lot of thought with Bulgarians. I'd try giving them SL. If they go feudal scouts and don't get damage down, they can easily transition to SL in castle age and try again. It also gives them another strategy beyond a krepost drop. With Stirrups their SL would be pretty good. in imperial age, you could have THS w Bagains, w a backline of Elite SL w Stirrups as a composition option. What other comp would really utilize both UTs? sure, I guess you could use THS, back them with CA, skirm, or scorps, and on the sides you're raiding with Hussar. But in a comp when would you be getting full use out of both UTs? Cavaliers and Konniks take up the space a THS would be fighting, but SL can fight from behind. Giving Bulgarians SL doubles down on their aggressive identity, doubles down on their cav identity and in a way that better compliments their infantry, doubles down on their nomadic roots, and gives them a pretty unique comp.
The outro 😂😂
Hera giving me what I didn't know I needed/wanted ♥
Keep up the good work brother!
got to the end, was awkward, loved it
Regarding lithanians, the identity crisis doesnt exist in teamgames s much as people get a lot elss relics. If your team doesnt need your army as much, u could just go straight 3 tc + monks and get all the relics since its a low priority in teamgames. And the non synergy u state i feel like is more of a getting lith choices.
Sicilians need a power Cav unit that fit their Norman origins. Probably something like Coustillier.
You broke my heart with the Sicilians.
Where would u put Romans? (You forgot to do the add them in. Even thou you said at 1:41 you would at them at them end)
I think Vikings, Huns and Teutons are all underrated here
Really glad I clicked on this 59 minute and 55 second video.
May the CZcams algorithm be with you
You mention Bulgarians not having an answer for Halbs, but can’t they go Cav Archer/hussar late? Sure they miss last archer armor but they get everything else. With the hussar bonus it seems strong.
You are investing a lot into non-fully upgraded Cavalry Archers to counter trash. And Bulgarians' eco bonuses are subpar.
Though I'm inclined to say Bulgarians' weakness is Cavalry Archers more than Halbs.
Your tier lists have somewhat special place in my heart xD 11%100 agreed.
Bro that outro got me bad
Got to the end, thanks gonna main khmer now
new subscriber what is the meaning of abcd and s? sry
and Hera your awesome!
S being the best and d the worst
In previous tierlists mongols were usually a b-c tier civ and I was so sad to see my beloved mongols which I played 1k+ games with to be considered that low. There you go mangudais... Finally you are being treated like how you deserve. Btw love you Hera, EkinAoe.
someone teach this man how to make good use of lighting
They should give the celts another unique unit that's kinda tanky. Call it the claymore warriors
the end made me KeKW
5 out of the 6 D‐tier civs are infantry ones, I do feel bad for them Keepo
At least Malay #1 are carrying the torche for infantry goodness.
Thanks for the vid! Not sure how difficult it is to add bookmarks on the videos but it’d be nice to have it for the Tier List vids
Hi hera new player here ! i watch all your videos
I love you Hera
Hera, your lighting makes you look like the worlds most tired man. Unless the circles under your eyes are so dark they're becoming a gravity well and pulling in the light from the rest of your face?
LOL its the lighting thats bad but i cant do much until i move
The end xD
am i crazy or are there only 42 civs listed here and the romans are missing and this was published way after "return of rome" and the romans were released?
lets gooo, an hourr! yes
So I haven't been playing in some weeks. What happened to Roman's?
What if Sicilians got Norman Chevaliers as a new Unique Unit in Imperial Age? Anti-cav spear wielding knights on fast horses (using Robert Guiscard's model for reference)
25:23 Fun fact: Goths have fully upgraded Cavalry Archers.
Please add timestamps for civs for future videos