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Lambdadelta: Takano or Satoko? Connecting Higurashi, Umineko, Ciconia, and Hotarubi.
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- čas přidán 14. 08. 2024
- Ryukishi07 sure loves his ill-defined references to previous titles and with Gou and Sotsu, it's hard to say who Lambdadelta is supposed to be an analog of: Satoko or Takano? This video serves to unravel what is known as of this moment.
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Timestamps:
0:00 Intro
0:55 Intro to Lambadelta
3:13 The Lambdadelta Takano theory
6:15 The Lambdadelta Satoko theory
8:33 Conclusion
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Resources/Further Reading:
Unofficial 07th mod to install and play Kotohogushi: 07th-mod.com/w....
Lambdadelta, 07th Expansion fan wiki:
07th-expansion...
The First and the Last Gift: 07th-expansion...
Memoirs of the Lambdadelta: 07th-expansion...
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Credits for game footage:
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Music:
"Sheep Counts" by dai
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"くるり" (kururi) by dai
PC うみねこのなく頃に解
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Clearly Lambda is actually Keichi. K is the 11th letter of the alphabet, e is the 5th letter of the alphabet, and ichi is Japanese for 1. Add them together and you get 17, and then if you multiply it by the number of Brain Cells that Battler has, and you get 34.
So does that mean Beatrice is actually Rena because both laugh maniacally in same manner
@@rahul_314 No Beatrice is actually Sakutaro, pay attention.
GENIUS
mind blown
my life will never be the same after learning this, I am literally shaking and crying
Ever since I first read Umineko, I found Lambdadelta to be a composite character with traits both from Takano and from Satoko, both in roles and personality.
Then Gou came around and Satoko absorbed practically all of them except the physical appearance. She literally acted like Lambda 100% of the time.
I don't want to be that pretentious guy but imo the satoko theory doesn't make any sense. Of course it's the most easyst selution if you say "yeah lamda is insane and obsessed with Bern and satoko is gou insane and obsessed with Rika so they are the same". But if you look deeper into it everything just falls apart. Let's ignore for a moment that gou and sotsu where written like 10 years after the first umineko episode, and take a closer look about how both of them could be compared personality wise. First of all, lamda wants to be with Bern becouse she hates boredem. Satoko wants to be with Rika becouse she can't let go of her and feels betrayed becouse she is left behind by her best friend in a new environment. Lamda is cruel and sadistic becouse is bored. Satoko is cruel and sadistic becouse she wants Rika to give in. Do you where this is going? Only becouse they both act like psychos and have "supernatural powers" there is a big difference in how they do it. Another big thing is how they judge people. While lamda appreciates hard work and "rewards" them (I mean she doesn't really do it becouse she Deos not have any influence on our world), Satoko takes the easy way and makes deal with the devil although she just could move on or trie to communicate Rika her feelings. It's funny becouse you could interpret lamda as a symbol of God becouse many people belief in her. But my biggest problem with the hole thing is that it destroys the theme of the battle between miyo and Rika. Miyo ganed "supernatural powers" becouse she created a fate where it is seemingly impossible escape it. But she losed becouse Rika had enough determination to create miracle but she braked in that precess and bernkastel was created (if you want to interpret it like that). As a result Bern became the witch of miricals but she thought that miricals will never happen again. So I think that ryokushi just included the themes of those two characters in the game. Bern represents all of the pessimistic readers (or even tojas pessimistic view) who can't see anything but a tragedy in the incident and just wants to get the awnser out of it, while lamda is the rule set, the unchangeable fate who knows everything. Like how miyo created that fate to become a "God". I'm not a fan of that hole thing with "lamda and Bern are actually controlling everything and all of it is just a big chessboard!". I do think that Higurashi is work of fiction in Umineko (I mean they literally say a lot of times) and I think that's why they are called "voyagers" becouse battler and ikuko bowering in that sense characters from other story (and of course again the hole thing with lamda being a Symbole of fate and God). But that's just my interpretation. You can still believe want you want to believe. Don't take it to seriously its just something I noted in the Fandom
@@drz655 I mean, the origin story might change "how they got here", but first, it doesn't matter how late a story is written, if its by the same author, the canonicity stands.
And second, you're ignoring the deliberate callbacks to Satoko that they have dropped during Umineko. The most glaring one is the cake problem-trick. In Twilight of the Golden Witch, Lambdadelta asks a ""riddle"" of how many cake pieces there are. Bern jumps in the party uninvited just to say that Lambda fell for that fake riddle long ago... And that one is the same one Keiichi asks Satoko in their hide and seek. And Lambda has some traumatic past, like when she talks to Battler about how sometimes she thinks everyone else is a product of her imagination and she's trapped.
Third, you comparing the why they are cruel doesn't hold up, witches are different. Their main cruelty is a result of thousands of years of immortality, they're bored so they're cruel. But no one is cruel in their origin, just look at Beatrice herself, they become cruel after a certain amount of time passes. The best example is Bernkastel. She's 100 Rika, why? Because in Umineko Tsubasa, she ends a letter as "Frederica Bernkastel", but she's just as cruel when she wants to have fun, despite her explicitly tragic origin.
In the end, their personalities are a result of a lot of stuff, and they always referenced their human origins since Umineko. This is just a confirmation.
@@saxor96 and that's why I don't get this. Those aren't callbacks. The cake thing is just a commen trick question for kids. Yes she had a bad childhood but Takano had one and like I said it makes thematically more sense for her to be lamda. And if the author adds something that contradicts the themes or the story just for the sake of that than this is just bad writings. It would be something like George Lukas did. And how could be satoko become an endless witch after she finished her character Arc and came back to normal? That would be also bad writing if you say "OK she's just evil again". Like why did we even watch the finally
@@drz655 You seem to miss what happens with Lambda and Bern completely.
First, Lambda always had the personality of BOTH Takano and Satoko. Her personality was never just one or the other, she always had traits of both. In fact, Satoko was compared multiple times to Takano in the original Higurashi, in the "we could've become the same" kind of way. Sotsugou even puts Satoko inside the Takanoface club even, thanks to Eua calling her all those names from Takanofaces.
Disregarding the whole (with dramatic effect mind you) "you fell for the same trick question long ago, didn't you?" and Bernkastel callin herself "Frederica Bernkastel" Is outright BS.
Never in Sotsugou contradicted Lambda as a character. Lambda and Bern always showed toxic love to each other, and the story in Sotsugou is the start of that toxic relationship.
And finally, you missed the point of the ending completely. Satoko never became "Good". The fight ended because they were extremely tired of arguing, and after that they partly learned that they had to be far apart for a while. What you seem to miss the most, is that they never "stay". Looper Rika ("Bern") and Looper Satoko ("Lambda") never decided to stay in that final loop. Looper Satoko decides to LEAVE when she finally snaps her fingers, and only the Satoko from that kakera stays.
Something that people seem to miss is that Sotsugou was never a Higurashi story with Higurashi themes, it was a Umineko Story, with Umineko themes, with Hinamizawa as the setting.
What I understand: ΛΔ plays whomever is the enemy of Bernkastel. Bernakastel has Rika as a piece, so ΛΔ picks up Rika's enemies, Takano and Satoko, as pieces?
So easy resume:
1. "Lambdadelta born in Ciconia from Viers."
2."Then went to Higurashi with Takano as her choosen one.".
3."Takano was a full failure, were defeated and Lambadelta lost all her memories."
4."Satoko were the True choosen one, and unlike Takano, Satoko reached the "Witch State."
5."Lambdadelta adquired all full (twisted) personality from Satoko since she lost previous memories, but her looks from Viers stayed."
6."After being reborn from Satoko now she only wants to take care of Barnkastel and have her all for herself."
****Conclusion: "Actual Lambdadelta is a mix of previous pieces being her origins from Viers, failing in Takano and reborn from Satoko."
Can´t just say Lambda=Takano, Lambda=Vier, or Lambda=Satoko. But is ok if Lambda=(SATOKO,Takano,Viers).
I kind of like that idea actually
This is what I personally thought tbh
Lambdadelta, iirc facilitates all those pieces (Vier, Takano, Satoko)
I like the boostrap theory better, where Takano causes Satoko, who eventually becomes lambda, who eventually causes Takano to cause Satoko.
What do you mean by chosen one?
I would love to see a video about "Hotarubi no Tomoru Koro ni" (When the fireflies glow) as it's a chapter of When they Cry that people rarely talk about.
I mean its just a game between bern and LD as shown in the first and last gift so not much to say there
Hotarubi? So there’s four? I thought Ciconia was the latest series.
@@calebgoodman2076 there’s plenty of other works. Its not a main one.
@@calebgoodman2076 Hotarubi is a separate series for the most part, but it has a prologue tying it to Umineko
@@ForestGrantGaming Thanks for the clarification. I thought it was a VN so I looked it up. So it’s a manga spinoff then. Do I need to read Umineko first? I’m still new to that series.
I think that Higurashi and Umineko started because of Ciconia. I hope in later chapters of ciconia all three franchises will be tied together
Indeed, it all points to Ciconia happening first 👀
@@fernandocuauhshihuacarbaja3094 How so?
curious as well @@hawapxwa
Someone has pointed out that there's a parallel between the scenes where the child Takano receives her powers and the scene where Satoko is at the prison in Gou. Both being the moment where the characters receive the power of the Witch of Certainty. There's also the last scene in Sotsu where Satoko says something along the lines of giving Satokos body back to her, which could imply the moment where the witch leaves her. The way I see it, in Higurashi the Witch was using Takano as her piece and in Gou/Sotsu Satoko is her piece. Both are Lambda's proxies in her game against Bern.
By the way, since witches don't exist, you can say that the Witch of Certainty is just an abstraction of the tenacity demonstrated by these two characters ;-)
It's all Sayu's creation.
Well, you can't be sure Witches don't exist. All you can be sure of is BEATRICE"s Board technically could solved without magic
@@Fragmentsinfractals488 [SPOILER]
Actually if you read the entire Golden Witch arc without all the witch battles or trials you might see a new perspective where, the entire ordeal is actually about Ange accepting the "truth" about Rokkenjima accident. For example the witch's trials is just Ange reading Sayo's massacre plan, and she's arguing with herself whether that's exactly happened or not.
With this, the flow of the event would be:
-Ange heard about the Rokkenjima accident
-Eva is the sole survivor
-Eva took care of Ange, but due to affected by public's opinion about Eva, Ange despise Eva (Battler has talked about this)
-during school, she was bullied by her classmates
-because of this, she had a meltdown and hope that her classmates to die (but this didnt happen because witches dont exist. Also in one of the arc it is said that the Sinners cant do anything unless Ange can do it i.e humanly possible)
-Eva is dying
-Eva despise Ange as well, since she doesnt appreciate her kindness for raising her (since Ange is Kyrie's daughter, she also believe that Ange is just as disgusting as her mother, which is why she acts that way toward Ange)
-Ange then pursues the truth on what exactly happened to Rokkenjima during that accident
-she acquires the help of a certain organization to find any info regarding the Rokkenjima accident
-she was given a stacks of papers that is Sayo's massacre plans as that is the only evidence found so far
-the entire gameboards is just Ange reading and contemplating whether they're the truth or not (the Red Truth is Ange's logical thought while Blue Truth is her theory)
-she doesnt believe them to be truth
-later Tohya called to meet with Ange in person
-Tohya later revealed that she had Eva's diary with her. She also were given Sayo's diary as well (not sure where it came from. The most logical is that it came with Battler)
-Ange read the diary, and as it contain the Single Truth of what happened to Rokkenjima, she immediately believes it
-Tohya then asked Ange for permission to reveal the diary on public tomorrow
-She did not care about the book, and gives Tohya permission to do whatever she please
-on the same night, Ange had a mental breakdown. She later planned for a suicide
-however as she was falling she's contemplating on what her entire families would think of her right now
-she instead fall on a security net, and she then changed her way of living
-On the day Tohya were about to reveal Eva's diary, she was later called by Ange to cancel it
-Ange later gives the Ushiromiya inheritance to be taken cared by the organization that helped her
-Ange then went to a different city with a new alias
-Ange later decided to be a storyteller, with Sakutarou as the debut, which aimed for kids (this is a tribute solely for Maria)
-Ange later received a visit by Tohya and Battler
-Battler had a memory disorder, but he did remember the Rokkenjima accident
-Battler did not want to be known as Ushiromiya Battler, as he did not want to remember what happened on that day anymore, and want to live as a new person
-however, he knows that her little sister must've lived in turmoil for what happened on that day, so he sends Tohya to visit and explain to her instead (remember during the last arc Erika said to Witch Battler that if he truly cared about Ange then he should've come home to her. But Battler didnt because he had amnesia, but even if he did remember he wont meet with Ange either)
-Battler then asked Ange to never consider him as her brother anymore
-symphatized to Battler, she agrees. However, they both accept each other only in blood
-during the final moment, they shows Battler's last connection with his past self
@@pinkinglily6447 However, that is only if you take the Anti-fantasy perspective.
@@Fragmentsinfractals488 Umineko portrays itself more into the witch perspective so it's easier to absorb the story as that way. But to me, the anti fantasy perspective is exactly what happened; the same thing can be said to "The Single Truth" Ange is searching for.
I'm not trying to argue that you should only see it in anti fantasy way, as again Umineko are portrayed through the fantasy perspective, and it's not what Umineko is all about anyway. But ultimately, you have to see the reality of it. Like, the 'sweets under teacup' trick everyone knew exactly what happened, but when Erika revealed the trick to Maria, she were thought to be "wrong" or "cruel". However, it is still the truth, a fact that all the adults seeing it agrees on.
In the finale, Ange said that the 'appearing sweets inside a hand' is a stupid & boring trick, but she consider it the best of all, disregarding whether it was magic or just human trick (because the sweets are what matter). Applying this to Umineko, it doesnt matter if you see it as fantasy or anti fantasy perspective, as whats important is whether Umineko is really good or not. However, note that Ange do indeed believes that the 'appearing sweets inside a hand' trick were really done by a human, and not by witches or supernatural being, but she will never say so to a child.
So basically, see Umineko from fantasy perspective at the beginning, and anti fantasy perspective at the end. You cant just see it only in fantasy perspective
If we consider that Lambda "grants" Takano and Satoko's wishes, then that would mean Lambda existed before the two and is just using them as pieces.
Meaning, unlike Bern, she did not come into being as a result of the Hinamizawa gameboard and instead another event.
Considering what Eua said probably Lamdadelta was orignaly Vier Dreissig from Ciconia, who then "created" Miyo Takano as a piece (similar to Bern with Erika) while at the same time she became Satoko Hojo. Also something that could prove this are Vier's scientific and mysterious friends, probably being this "the monster friends" Lamda talked about in Chiru.
@@fernandocuauhshihuacarbaja3094 the events in Ciconia take place centuries after the events of Higurashi... I think you are taking the references a bit too seriously. It's just a marketing gimmick... which would have given Ryuu enough money to work on Ciconia full-time if Gou-Sotsu wasn't such a dumpster fire.
Dunno if its right or not, but I feel like Satoko may indeed be a fragment of Lambda or at least, the vessel Lambda used, while Takano is just her piece; her "miko" so to say.
I absolutely agree with that, Takano did the job for her, but Satoko actually have powers and uses it. She talks about the certain win by herself, calls herself a witch, while Takano has noo idea about rika's power. To me it's 100% Satoko
I think both theories are true. Even though a witch is created by a human, its existence transcends linear time. Lambdadelta may have been created in Gou/ Sotsu, but since she can move freely in higher dimensions, this is no contradiction to her controlling/ favoring Takano in the original Higurashi. Concepts like "before" or "after" only make sense as long as one is bound to the flow of time, which goes from past to future.
Great analysis. You actually made me have a few realizations between Higurashi and Umineko.
Ngl, I'm beginning to feel pretty exhausted and frustrated with this whole "multiple characters sharing likenesses and connections" thing if they're supposed to have significance in the over arching story.
Loved the connection between Rika and Bern. It was clear and concise. But, it seems that since Umineko more characters that apparently have connections with previous ones appeared and that whole thing has gotten needlessly convoluted. Featherine's "ties" to Hanyuu have been confusing (even hers with Eua considering they're not supposed to be seen as the same person despite everything about them).
Hell, this very video is proof of the insanity of it all and I hope we can get something definitive soon.
I think you're underestimating how much Ryukishi loves baiting the fanbase with these nebulous connections. While I wont rule it out completely, I'm not optimistic about ever getting a concrete answer from him.
the thing that frustrates me here is i'm still convinced this is Ryukishi changing his mind and retconning. at this stage clearly Lambda is Satoko from Gou. but i do not belive it was allways like that. something changed.
however given how much other meddeling i'm convinced was involved in Gou and Sotsu maybe he can straighten it out. or maybe it's just a mess at this point.
@@theguyyouhate it's not retconning. You guys just have to realize these connections are inconsequential eastereggs. Ryuukishi already said in an interview that the way he views shared archetypes and characters in each series is akin to the Star System in Hollywood, where an actor would be designated a given persona to be played across different shows despite none of them having any continuity. Ryuukishi is not even the first person to do this in the realm of otaku culture.
Also the historic Houjou clan emblem is also made up of 4 triangles (so we have 3-4 reference even in Satokos surname)
I've been waiting for someone to explain this as clearly as you did!! Thank you, this is super helpful!
So like, is it possible for Lambda to have used both Takano and Satoko?
i mean i'm pretty sure a witch can have more than one piece on the board
If I had to guess Satoko was Lamda/Vier's vessel or avatar inside Higurashi while Miyo was just her piece. Also Satoshi might also have been a piece of Lamda along side Miyo. If we thing about it the three of them were responsable for the four killing and/or the desaparitions in the Watanagashi festival.
It depends on how time and causality works in the Sea of Fragments. We already know it’s essentially possible to “Time Travel” in the When They Cry Series, but that seems to only be “on game boards”, for example it doesn’t seem like Bernkastel could loop in the Metaverse until she beat Battler and Ange.
It seems really heavily implied in Sotsu that the Entity who is probably LambdaDelta was born during the event of that story, which took place chronologically after the Original Higurashi. With that being said Eua seems to imply that she already met Vier from Ciconia and we don’t know where Ciconia falls in the When They Cry Metaverse Timeline. So hypothetically Lambda could have hypothetically been using Takano as a Piece before her own Chronological birth, because Time and Causality in the Sea of Fragment doesn’t exist in a way we understand.
@@InquisitorThomas i think this setting uses 2d time one dimension for the board and one true time dimension for outside the board (causality being respected only on the second one)
@@InquisitorThomas yeah that's a theory I have. Even if Satoko wasn't Lamda yet I put a theory of an idea to explain how that's possible, and that Lamda was originally Vier Dressing, as that's how Eua almost always refers to Satoko.
great video as always, i think its both, takano in the original, and satoko in sotsugou. cuz in my mind, higurashi was originally a game between featherine and lambda, and then featherine got stuck in a logic error and put it all on her piece, rika furude. so then it would be a game between rika and lambda, and rika would win, then at saikoroshi would she split her looper personality off from herself as bernkastel based off of the wine she drank. and then sotsugou confused me more, but at this point the best thing i have rn is bern and lambda screwing around with the higurashi gameboard at one point, with bern playing rika and lambda playing satoko, and then they invent a new piece known as eua, parodying featherine (cuz why not). now the ciconia references in gou i have no idea, the whole satoko being called a witch thing is im pretty sure just random ass terminology or smth, im not sure it means anything. i have a concept for a theory to where satoko looping is a logic error for lambda, but thats just a shot in the dark atm.
I personally believe that both Takano and Satoko were just different pieces of Lambda's during different games. Unlike Bern, who directly 'originates' from Rika, Lambdadelta doesn't 'originate' from either Takano or Satoko, and had existed long before the events of Higurashi and Umineko. So, basically, what I think is the case here is that Takano was Lambda's initial choice for a piece, as explained in Memoirs of the LD. In the end, she lost that particular game, and then kept on wandering about until the events of Umineko, where she once again meets Bern, who was created in the aftermath of Higurashi, which was probably a game between Lambda and Hanyuu, with Rika as Hanyuu's piece (who herself is somehow connected to Featherine). After Umineko, she eventually decides to return to the Higurashi gameboard, and takes up Satoko as her new piece in this new game against Bernkastel.
This, I believe, is the most rational way to explain Lambdadelta having ties to both Takano and Satoko without directly contradicting any previously established facts. So, in a way, Lambda is both Takano and Satoko - and, at the same time, neither.
Is probably that Lamda's original human form was either Vier Dreissig or the mysterius "Mitsuyo" Eua mentions, (even both if Mitsuyo exitsed first and them became Vier). In regards to Miyo and Satoko I'll say is more likely that Miyo was just Vier's piece, like Erika was to Bern both look a like to indicate that Miyo is her piece, while Satoko was Vier's vessel in that world, without fully knowing who she used to be, then Satoko becomes Lambda. Is really interesting because even here the number 34 is made, three humans that are the same being (Mitsuyo, Vier and Satoko) who probably reencarnated over and over end up having a 4th persona, that is actually a witch.
@@fernandocuauhshihuacarbaja3094 Mitsuyo is probably Jestress' real name, seeing as she possesses an appearance nearly identical to Lambda
Hanyuu is/was a real person in the human world. She's existed long before the events of 1983, and bonded over Rika because she resembled her daughter on top of being the only person capable of sensing/interacting with her. There is no 'game'; Hanyuu died and remained in kakera limbo for thousands of years, and then granted the same power/curse to Rika when she was inadvertently, i.e. without Hanyuu knowing, killed; unless of course you are claiming this 'game' stretches all the way back to ancient Onigafuchi somehow.
I also very much doubt Ryuukishi has the superhuman ability to plan Umineko's writing so far ahead he'd write Higurashi with it in mind when he wasn't even sure Higurashi was ever going to be anything other than an obscure doujin.
You are overthinking this. They are just easter eggs.
Very nicely explained, I would also like to suggest you look in and talk about the themes of each individual series and how those respected variations of characters represent some hidden themes. The best example of Rika's internal struggles leading to Bern, being a part of herself left behind and similar interesting perspectives also given from Satoko and Hanyuu characters throughout the different series.
Lambda has less foreshadowing. At least Rika had a Manga chapter which explained how the Witch side of her was the person she grew into over time.
In that Manga, she lets go of her Witch side that foreshadows how Burn exists.
Lambda doesn’t really seem to have anything like that. Only Sotsu/Gou had the ending reference to why she exists.
Me encantaría que Ryu nos cuente más historias sobre estas brujas. Lambda en concreto es mi personaje fav de WTC junto a Takano y Satoko
I believe Lambdadelta is a manifestation that emerged from Looper Satoko. Featherine off-handedly comments at one point that Satoko appears to have become a witch. I believe a few episodes later, we see the "real Satoko" emerge to try and stop the "evil Satoko" from killing her uncle which results in failure. Then, end of Sotsu, she makes the gesture as if to end a fragment, only to hesitate and mutter something along the lines of "fine, I'll tolerate this a bit longer" before discontinuing the act.
I think the Rika and Satoko at the end of Sotsu we see are likely Berk and Lambda simply manipulating their pieces, but now both occupying the vessels and existing separate. I think Satoko in Sotsu at one point realized as Rika did that there is a separate entity guiding her actions and as a desperate bid tried to stop her. "Looper Satoko" simply destroyed Satoko and thusly went on to occupy the vessel itself for the remainder of the game, taking on her memories and personality to maintain the ruse of a Satoko who cherished Rika to her own detriment.
Berk likely saw through the ruse, hence when Rika called out Satoko knowing about a gag gift that she shouldn't have. "Looper Rika" took control of Rika after she was about to succumb to despair and turned the tables. Their final battle across multiple fragments was likely a metaphor for the two entities battling. At the end, as Lambda is ready to end the fragment, Berk likely told her "no" and threatened to quit playing if she did, hence the hesitation.
I think Rika and Satoko have ceased to exist at this point, being merely vessels for the two witches in their endless game. The people they were are destroyed and replaced by beings who take amusement from the multiple tragedies that befall each fragment. It's also why I think Featherine capitulated to Hanyuu so easily.
Featherine saw that Berk and Lambda had taken the places of their pieces and would now play out their game more directly. What could be more amusing than two beings of with only a fraction of your power playing pretend as powerless mortals? Featherine saw "losing" to her fragment as more a small price to pay for such amusement.
What I understand: ΛΔ plays whomever is the enemy of Bernkastel. Bernakastel has Rika as a piece, so ΛΔ picks up Rika's enemies, Takano and Satoko, as pieces?
I know we don't know anything about her, but I would like to see more theories about Jestress connection with all our 34 characters, I only have the theory that she's somehow connected to Beatrice.
Lambdadelta's riddle regarding fractions was referred to by Bern as having tricked Lamdadelta in the past. The same exact riddle tricked Satoko in Higurashi so to me, that is a pretty clear connection referring to an exact event that we have seen.
I believe she is a mix of both. She is always the opposing side to Bern, and both Satoko and Takano fill that role for Rika. Though (in my Headcanon) her first iteration may not have been corporeal, simply a concept waiting to take shape…then Satoko gave it form. Because there needs to be an opposite to miracles.
Lambdadelta is clearly a foreshadowing of the pandemic last year
Well, we're getting more Higurashi in 2022, so maybe we'll see more references.
Satoshi Hojo possibly is foreshadow that Satoko is Lambdadelta. Because 34 in Japanese is 三十四 (3104, Sanjuuyon, in Goroawase could read as Satoshi).
But Satoshi is male, all of 34 like Miyo Takano, Vier Dreissig, and Lambdadelta are female.
Satoko called as LD3015 (with initial LD as addition).
Satoko's kanji in Goroawase is 三十五, means 35 (34 + 1), 3105.
And possibly Satoko is Vier or Mitsuyo's reincarnation
We really got to get around to a better name than the "when they cry"-verse. Hearing those words took me right out of it.
“Bern and Lambda’s psychotic lesbian road trip?”
I thought it was called the 07th Expansion? Maybe I'm wrong.
My theory of the WTC timeline is that Vier comes first, and then Takano, and then Satoko in G/S, and then Lambdadelta. It seems that sometime after losing to Rika, Lambdadelta lost her memories and subsumed over Satoko.
Kinda off topic but daaaaang! The manga really made Bern/Lambda more explicit and spicy. I mean, the manga is like that with everything else (Evatrice playing with Rosa and Maria, anyone?) but......sheeeeesh!
I guess I just don't understand why they'd spend years making very pointed connections to Takano--up to, and including, same hair and VA-- and then veer directly in to it being Satoko instead. I suppose I'd be willing to accept Takano and Satoko being two different game pieces, as others have posited. Ryukishi doesn't seem to be abandoning the Takano connection entirely, as of Ciconia (from what I Can see, I haven't finished pt 1 yet). In any case, it's all still fun and interesting
I think, the same way bernkastel was born from the hopelessness of rika, lambdadelta was born from both satoko's and takano's will and ambitions.
I have an interesting theory for explaining who was Lambdadelta as a Human.
*Spoilers for Ciconia chapter/phase 1*
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My theory is that Lamdadelta was originally Vier Dressing, which sounds as "four" and "thirty" (and Vier is Satoko since that's what Eua said). Somehow Vier ended in the world of Higurashi, in Fase 1 Vier says she is building a time machine or some sorth of dimension-travel machine, so probably something went wrong (or right) and she became an intangible beign because of this (kinda like Battler was at first on the Meta-World) capable of traveling throught space-time and other worlds, so that's probably how she ended in Higurashi's World althought she had no body. Upon arriving she did 2 things: 1st) she appears as a storm and gaves Miyo her power of Certainity, so Miyo would be the Erika of Vier/Lamda on this gameboard and that's probably why Miyo looks like Vier and not backwards (similar to how Erika looks like Rika and Bernkastel, as she is Bernkastel's piece) and 2nd) she is reborn as Satoko Hojo so she could have a body again althought she would lose all her memories of being Vier and thus the whole Higurashi (Question arc, Kai, Rei, Gou and Sotsu) takes place, until the Witch Satoko / Vier leaves looking for Frederica Bernkastel and that's how she eventually will take the name of "Lamdadelta" and probably will remember her time as "Vier".
My points for saying this is that probably Vier knew that by doing all this she could turn someone into a witch/deity, so she prepare the whole gameboard inside Higurashi so she could have an opposite, a rival who could also be her friend since she otherwise would be alone, althought her wish of beign a deity with company became truth she probably made herself suffer at the same level as her opposite so both could be at pair. I know is kinda crazy theory but is something I've been thinking since I started to read Ciconia. We have to wait the other chapters to see if this might be close to the truth. Also another proof that Vier might be the first form of Satoko and Lambdadelta is that it seems Vier had a big brother and a family, and she said she put their in brains in some kind of tubes (to make some kind of Matrix thing), and it seems her big brother's code in the tube is 3-10-4 (Satoshi) and she said she was next, so her code for the tubes would be 3-10-5 (Satoko).
Interesting theory 🤔 I've seen a few people theorizing Satoko could be a reincarnation of Jestress, who could also be a clone or daughter of Vier
@@bleachedfly if I had to guess I'll say Jestress could be a clone, meant to be the vessel of Vier's mind, that run out or was sent to be her eyes in the outside world (aka her piece like Sayo and possibly Miyo were too). We need more answers!! Speaking of pieces since it seems she orcrestaed the whole Higurashi gameboard I was thinking she could have more of one piece at the time, since all culprits of the murder were related to numer 34 in a way (Miyo and Satoshi, also by extention Satoko of herself) so probably Satoshi was also a piece of Vier along side Miyo.
In Satoko’s case rivals and crush on Rika
@@katherinemerkel3505 like Lamdadelta with Bernkastel. Satoko and Rika's relationship parallels Lambda and Bern's relationship way more than Miyo and Rika's. ;)
Tbh, Miyo's role is more like Beatrice and Erika's were in Umineko when we discover that she was just a witch's piece.
I just binged watched all of Umineko just so I could continue this video.
Wow that's some serious dedication!
Now read it and with full attention
Hope you didn’t watch the anime (made that mistake)
My guess is that Higurashi pre-Gou is a different game than Gou and everything after. The original Higurashi was a game Lambda was playing either with herself or against Featherine. Lambda would’ve won, except that one of their “game pieces”, Rika, manifested Bern and completely changed the rules of the game, winning for herself instead.
Now that a completely new witch came in to challenge Lambda’s title as most powerful, a rematch was called. Bern continued to use Rika because she already knew the strengths and weaknesses of that piece, but Lambda chose a new one to give herself the advantage of surprise.
After all was said and done, Lambda probably just keeps some of the mannerisms of Satoko because she knows that’s the best friend of Bern’s origin piece and it’s a good way to keep the attention of her favorite playmate.
Maybe Lambda is a comingling of Satoko and Miyo and the duality of both the love and hate they express towards Rika if she is Bern's analog. Bern and Lambda both seem to play opposites but have tenderness for each other at times.
nicely presented video with good detail for both sides.
another piece of satoko evidence: in the higurashi kira ova, there's an episode where rika and satoko transform into magical girls - satoko wears a lacy (although yellow) sort of dress, and says things about '100%' and 'certainty' there too.
when first reading umineko when it was coming out, it seemed to me like lambda was pulling elements from both takano and satoko. the name as a reference to takano, the personality/way she talks and pink outfit as a reference to satoko. the hair style works well enough either way.
the newer anime seasons were fun, i personally enjoyed rika and satoko (or perhaps bern and lambda, rather) having those kinds of battles. it added a lot to their love/hate sort of relationship.
Lambdadelta is a metaphor for the explosives in the underground of Rokkenjima
This is also correct
what do you get if you cross Barbie and Oppenheimer?
The epilogue that came out recently confirmed it to be Satoko.
Or rather, Satoko was the piece that turned 34 into a witch. Takano was the piece that came before Satoko, but 34 is the original.
My headcanon is that Lambda is one of Vier’s spinal cord specimens that gained sentience and will- perhaps this is the Logic error or Hell that she briefly mentions in Umineko. She may have overcome being eternally experimented on by escaping like the Major does in Ghost in the Shell or like a cyborg. Takano and goofy ahh Satokk are her miko’s but I doubt either of them are her origin. Also never watched Gou/Sotsu and I don’t want to.
The final battle between Rika and Satoko in Sotsu was the best thing I have ever seen in anime.
A certain character in the new Higurashi Rei manga gives off some strong initial Lambdadelta vibes as well.
Bleh 🤮 you mean the manga taking place on a fragment where everyone ends up with the worst possible pairing. Satoko marrying a guy is bs.
@@katherinemerkel3505 it isnt canon, if it makes you uncomfortable you can ignore it
@@katherinemerkel3505 p sure satoko is bi anyways
@@mattiswan1 When was it confirmed to not in some capacity he canon? Also tell that to all the people on Reddit who are now using this as fuel to state satorika would not ever be a thing no matter the fragment.
I mean it would be great if it wasn’t canon but when was this confirmed? 🤔
We have to look at things there are obvious, Takano was really a great piece, a monster in the game, but she has no idea of witches and powers and stuff. Satoko calls herself a witch, is recognized by eua (Featherine to me) and also uses the power of certainty. She talks for herself, no one told her, no one gave to her, she is a looper like rika ok, but rika has the power of miracles, and she has the power of certainty. To me is clear Lambda herself are playing agaisnt rika, in manga Lambda talks about the didn't counted the days, we can see in sotsu satoko talking about how she already forgot how many centuries has passed, so it's pretty obvious she had concious about the time and loops, takano don't know anything about the fragments, wouldn't make sense. Satoko does, and Lambda talks about it didn't affected her like did to bern, we can see this within Satoko and Rika.
Exactly, it seems Miyo was just Lamda's piece (like Beato was) while Satoko was the vessel/avatar for Lamda herself inside Higurashi. As it is said by Eua, is probably that Lamda was originally Vier herself since she insists that's her name.
Pretty sure 'witch' is just a state of mind in Higurashi, not a fantasy race. They don't have any powers other than looping. Rika's always said that miracles don't happen unless everyone reaches out; it's not "her power".
Takano doesn't know anything about fragments because she is not a looper. That's all. If she had she would probably call herself one too; not far-fetched considered she was momentarily anointed as a miko by that racist goddess from Hou.
My theory has been that LD controlled both Tanako and Satoko, with Tanako being her designated chest peice and Satoko being a sort of extra she had access to when she got bored of the game between her and Bern, this would also help explain a different perspective on when Rika would kill Satoko in the routes, possibly Bern trying to get LD to keep the gaming moving at a proper pace when LD just wanted to have chaotic fun. I think of it as LD seeing Tanako as an interesting character she's betting on to win, but Satoko as her own toy in Hinamiza. If any of that makes sense
Ryukishi himself said that Satoko and Takano were like Black and White pieces on a gameboard, with Takano being the black and Satoko being the white.
Also, Gou and Sotsu are the 3rd and 4th Higurashi anime main part
Going over it again I think Satoko is Lambdadelta or becomes her when she leaves Satoko's body. Looping powers seem to be that the consciousness of the original Satoko is transferred to another version/body of themselves. It's like Steins;Gate, we have also seen Rika was disliked by her friends in one fragment and she didn't know that Rika's history. Giving Takano certainty is the confusing part, it might even be the logic error that trapped Lambda. I haven't seen everything WTC, but that's what I can come up with.
I think is more likely that Miyo Takano was actually Vier Dreissig's (Lamda's OG human form) piece while Satoko was her vessel/reencarnation (as Eua suggests), then later Satoko becomes Lamdadelta. In the Umineko manga Lamdadelta says she once gave power to "someone who wanted to become a Goddess", reveling that it was her the one that throw that lightning to Miyo as choosing her to be her piece in the Higurashi Gameboard. There is something important to know here, althought Eua says Satoko is Vier she actually looks more like Takano rather than Satoko, but as we saw in Umineko usually some witch pieces look like their master to say they are used by them, like Erika and Bernkastel. Following this rule Vier was Lamda's OG form that would explain why Takano seems to be connected to Lamda, while Satoko was the actual witch reborn as a human (maybe forgoten her true name). There is also something interesting and more deep with this, it is suggested that Witches Names are related somehow to the identity they used to have as a human, and although Vier does have a connection to Lamda with the name Satoko doesn't, but she actually does with both. Eua calls Satoko "Anomalus Spinal Cord 3105-LD" which LD could refer to both Vier and Lamda, while her numer is a reference to Satoko, but also maybe this is connected to the mysterius "Mitsuyo". When Eua says "that both talked last time in the red sea" is a reference to a scene in Ciconia, here we see how a mysterius female character, which is just a Spinal Cord, is killed along side her family by being thrown each into a machine, with more human Spinal Cords that somehow are alive too in an apocaliptic future (or maybe past within Ciconia), at a point that this factory is full of blood as it was a sea. This mysterius female character which is probably "Mitsuyo" was killed right after her parents and big brother, so if Mitsuyo was "Anomalus Spinal Cord 3105", it's likely that was a code that probably everyone there had (similar to the concentration camps) to identify them. Then than means her Big Brother was "Spinal Cord 3104" which can be read as: Sa-to-shi. So yeah following all this backstory maybe right after "Mitsuyo" was killed maybe Eua made her become Vier Dreissig, which then is reborn into Satoko to finally become the witch Lamdadelta we all know.
@@fernandocuauhshihuacarbaja3094 Actually, the red sea was confirmed to not be about the factory world and neither blood, but specifically about a change that was made to water purification 8MS to turn it into red, as showcased in a phase 2 preview given last year.
So the red sea is quite literal, the entirety of the sea of ciconia ends up being red.
Witch Satoko/Vier become Lambdadelta while Normal Satoko have happy ending with her Family and her friends.
can we get a featherine video soon? or witch Battler?
I like how both are chill until lambdad vs clapped them. The only reason why it was truly satoko is because she has no reason to give up her desire for rika
This is clearly deliberate. Wouldn't that mean that there are 2 lambdadeltas? Maybe the role of lambdadelta, Takano's side, and the more playful lambdadelta being Satoko's side?
Can you Talk About Featherine Augustus Aurora and Also About The Creator? I really want to know more about them
Tbh mostly for me
Satoko is more Lambdadelta than Takano.
She's still a looper. Just like Rika is.
I can't really see Takano becoming Lambdadelta and mostly being that childish, hence her suffering she had in her life/perspective was only once.
However I don't say that Lambdadelta didn't control Takano in her game against bern.
Still after losing, why would she re-use a failure piece like Takano again, knowing that she will lose, then comes the rematch game. However it's later in hiragashi Gou/Satou.
Lambda notices Satoko's piece and turns it into her main.
While bern sticks to Rika, knowing that she will win eventually with it.
And during the ending bern wins again, keeping the Rika piece as her main. While Lambda accepting defeat keeps the Satoko piece.
I still wonder why people think that Takano is more likely to be Lambda, even though she wanted Rika dead, failed then disappeared completely, and when Satoko comes in, no it's less likely she's Lambdadelta.
Even though their characteristics are more connected to each other, childish, the laugh, final Farewells, and still Takano is more likely.
TaKaNo
@@vivvy_0 sorry, I got used to calling her tanako
I think neither satoko or lambda are lambda. They both are lambda’s piece same thing as erika and bernkastel’s relationship from umineko. one is master, other is piece.
Also when bern possessed rika in the scene when she smashed the chair over satoko' she told her 'I held back because you have the face of my friend.' she was referencing lambadatatatat.
I just assume that Lambdadeltas was made before higurashi, and played on another gameboard. And takano and satoko was just the pieces she used for this game board.
1:35 ...Is she though? I feel like Bern has her beat in the sheer quantity of fucked up stuff she did.
Both. Both is good
Can someone tell the name of music that is playing in the background
I love to call Lambdadelta.
Lamby.
You see.. *Lamb* dadelta and she is beautiful
And I thought I was the only one
My theory is that vier is the og 34, en everybody else born from her. Incluiding lambda or smth like that
Lambdadelta = Takano was denied by ryukishi07, right? As much as I hate it and Gou & Sotsu, I think Lambdadelta = Satoko is what ryukishi07 has decided to go with.
But perhaps they should actually be seen as pieces on a gameboard like the gameboard in Umineko. Satoko is the piece and Lambdadelta is the player. Lambdadelta controls Gou / Sotsu Satoko, while original Satoko controls herself before and after Gou / Sotsu. It's the Satoko that gets killed in one of the Gou / Sotsu arcs but returns towards the end of Sotsu.
Wait...people thought Lambda was Takano?
Really???
Wasn't it obvious from her apearance, personality and her relation with Bernkastel that she was Satoko?
I genuinely do not get how people could make that complicated...
Well to be fair, young Takano is way more similar to Lambdadelta than Satoko.
I mean, the "34" in her name is a pretty solid point to the fact that she was Takano. When I first started playing Umineko, that was definitely the first thing that came to mind, for me. She's even got the same eye color as Takano in the original sprite.
Not "or" "and" will be perfect
Huh, interesting.
Never heard of Hotorubi
Well, now you have
My only issue with the Satoko theory is that, to me, it feels like too much of a retcon. Like, before Sotsu (which had its own issues), what is there to link them? The laugh? Who knows what R07 is thinking half of the time but it felt a little too meta. Make Satoko relevant again. I loved it when Gou looked like it would give Satoko an actual character and agency of her own but that ended... Well, things happened. I most recently subscribe to the idea of the Rikas and 34 beings representing some sort of transferable idea. They are not related themselves but their 'concepts' are 'eternal'. Or R07 just likes putting Rikas and 34's in every work of his for his own amusement, as you said. Nothing deep about it. Just something for us to spot in the next work. Who's the Rika or 34 on this one? Since at least we know Satoko and that lady from RoseGuns kinda break de 34 Takano look alike theme but behave similarly. So not all look like Takano. And not all Rikas look like og Rika. Koshka doesn't, mostly.
LAMBDADELTA also has pie riddle she says in Episode 8 that BERNKASTEL says she fell for before. It is a Riddle Satoko falls for in the original Higurashi.
Lambdadelta's personality was always a mixture of Satoko and Takano, and also, from the beginning, in Higurashi, Takano told the "we're similar" narrative to Satoko at the end of arc 7.
It isn't a retcone. When asked about Miyo and Lamda beign similar to each other years ago Ryukishi said that Lamda and Miyo's similarities were put there to misguide the fans and with Memories of LD he kinda said that Miyo was the same to Lamda as was Beatrice/Sayo, just a piece, similar to how Erika was to Bernkastel, just a human she gave her powers. Also he said that if someone put more atenttion they would figure out who had more similarities with Lamdadelta, like it was the case with Rika and Bern, and some people actually said it could been Satoko. So with Gou/Sotsu Ryukishi kinda confirmed what some fans speculated years prior.
I want to know what the Lambdadelta fan club is made of.
The Lambda simps
Me. I’m almost there anyway
Xeranthemum vs feathirine
Lambdadelta literally speaks like Satoko
I actually think Lambda is the two of them.
SPOILERS CONCERNING UMINEKO AND HIGURASHI:
Think about it, Beatrice is actually a lot of person at the same time on the game board. Why wouldn't it be possible for Lambdadelta to exist as different persons on the game board ? Of course, their power aren't the same at all. But the rule that apply to Beatrice doesn't necessary apply to Lambdadelta. We know a lot of stuff from Bernkastel, but actually, when it comes to Lambdadelta ? We are voluntary confused about her identity or in which world she belonged to before becoming a witch. What we know is that her determination and haircut is a lot similar to Takano, and her attitude and laugh is also similar to Satoko.
So, in my opinion, there are two theories. One is that there's nothing that forbid that two pieces/characters of a world can become one single entity known as a witch(and iirc, voyager witches works differently than a mere witch). I don't like that one because it has been confirmed that Lambdadelta was the one who granted Takano's wish as a child.
The second is that, when Takano's role as an incarnation for Lambdadelta was over, Lambdadelta, who probably resided inside Takano's soul changed piece and took Satoko's soul. At this point, Satoko wasn't and NEVER was aware of that, because she obtained the power from Eau, but the determination to keep Rika for herself was probably from Lambdadelta, even if it's not explicitly said. But Satoko DO say that she is now a witch at a point. She may be unaware of which witch she is (Lambdadelta) and might think that Satoko is a witch by herself, while in fact Lambdadelta is the witch residing inside Satoko's soul. That would mean that Eau (which at this point still WASN'T Featherine) probably made a contract or a fun bet with Lambdadelta about the battle between Rika and Satoko.
Using the second theory, we can assume that Lambdadelta is someone who can be multiple person but at a different time, a combinaison of incarnations of piececs/character. Even Eau called Satoko by some characters from Ciconia's name. If it was Takano, would she have done the same ?
So, while Bernkastel is purely based on one person's existence, Satoko could be based one multiple person's existence. I don't think it is impossible and don't see why it wouldn't be. Beatrice, for exemple, is in fact a lot of characters (and concepts) at the same time if you have read Umineko
END OF SPOILERS
What was said by Eua is probably that Lamdadelta was first Vier Dreissig from Ciconia, but we don't know who are Mitsuyo or Anomalus Spinal Cord LD3105. Probably both are Vier herself since in Ciconia the protagonist Miyao is shown a vision (it is unknown if it is from the future or the past, but many think it was a vision sended by Vier herself to Miyao), where a girl (or young woman) is shown to be inside a factory being just a spinal cord that is about to be destroyed along side other spinal cords, being right behind of her parents and older brother (probably Spinal Cord 3104, which is read as Sa-to-shi). The factory is probably what Eua referred to as "The Red Sea" (because of the people/spinal cords killed there). Probably Spinal Cord LD3105 was originally Mitsuyo who was reborn as Vier thanks to Eua, and then after Ciconia ends she goes to the Higurashi "game board", appearing as a storm to gave Miyoko Tanashi her powers and "creating Miyo Takano" while at the same time she was reborn as Satoko Hojo so she could be the friend of the piece she wanted to turn into her companion.
@@fernandocuauhshihuacarbaja3094 thank you very much for the explanation. So that would mean Vier "created" Takano Miyo then reincarnated inside Satoko, like Rika is the reincarnation of Oyashiro-Sama.
Then a battle happen between these two friends and their reincarnated selves take overband fight. Rika win.
This marks the birth of both Lambdadelta and Bernkastel. It is stated that Lambdadelta granted young takano's wish, but from what you are saying, it could be Vier who granted her the wish
@@Nier2J yes exactly, it seems that the one that granted Miyo's wish was actually Vier, long before she was Satoko and Lambdadelta.
@@fernandocuauhshihuacarbaja3094 We had and interesting conversation ! Thank you very much ! It clarifies what I think about Satoko and Takano, and from who they came from.
You are wrong about who Beatrice is. It's Rosa
Hey you missed the riddle, good video nonetheless
what?
Honestly Satoko being Lambdadelta still seems like a stretch even with the Passione anime. Everything, even Vier, points to Takano and if the GouSotsu anime was meant to convince us it did a piss poor job of erasing the connections to Takano, since we are still left with the fact Satoko is neither the type of person Lambda would deign help, nor the type of person whose actions would give birth to Lambda (yes, Satoko was obsessed but she was not truly determined considering she never even had an endgame for her plan).
Eua said that Satoko is Vier Dressing, so probably Miyo was just Vier's piece inside Higurashi, like Erika was to Bernkastel in Umineko, while Satoko was her vessel or way to manifest physiclly into that World, probably knowing that way she could become a full witch.
Ciconia points that Vier might actually be Satoko, since she also has a "Big Brother" that she put his brain and spinal cord, and the same with the rest of her family, into a tub. It seems the code for her brother's brain and spinal cord is 3-10-4, which can be read as "Sa-to-shi" while a tank she has for herself is the next one, 3-10-5 (Sa-to-ko). Following this Lamdadelta would take the name based on her first human form, Vier Dressing who also at one point was Satoko Hojo.
Both Takano and Satoko are Pieces of LAMBDADELTA. However, Satoko is possessed directly by LAMBDADELTA instead of just influenced. It is what happens when a piece of FEATHERINE gives you power.
Satoko's Endgame is capturing Rika for Certainty in a Bird cage like LAMBDADELTA's goal is for BERNKASTEL.
Satoko's personality during the entirety of Gou and Sotsu is 1:1 Lambdadelta's. And Lambda always had traits from both characters.
Also, the Takano connections aren't erased, but Satoko has been directly called Vier, a Takanoface. Satoko has been linked with Takano in a matter of identity, and thus with Lambda.
Can you make a sequel to your denpa game video
What exactly would such a video entail?
None, jestress :)
A mindf**k
I just assumed Lambda was Satoko because Rika was Bern. Their relationship and matching height build. It’s a pair. If Lambda were Takano then her interactions with Bern, their interactions and dynamic, I would expect it to be quite different.
She is just a little lesbian
Not inaccurate
one connection is when bern and lambda fight they confess their twisted love to each other.... and at same time its similar to higurasi when Satoko fight Rika in loop
I think she's Satoko, espcially after Gou and Sotsu
satoko becomes lambda then grants miyo power. seems simple.
I think we can say things went this way: 1) Vier Dreissig from Ciconia ends in Higurashi, 2) Vier, as a storm, gaves Miyo the power of Certainty and Miyo becomes her piece against Hanyuu (or Eua), 3) Vier is reborn as Satoko (apparently Vier said she has "a code" for her brain, 3-10-5), 4) Miyo grows obessed with the Certainty to fullfill her grandfather's dream because of Vier's power (so that's why she takes a similar apperence to her similar to Erika in Umineko with Bern), 5) Miyo kills Oishi's friend for her experiment and study, 5) Satoko kills her parents, 6) Satoshi (probably as another of piece of Vier since his name spells 3-10-4, like Vier's "rumored brother" code is mentioned by her in Ciconia) kills his aunt, 7) Miyo kills Rika's Mom and Dad, 6) All Higurashi series takes place, 7) Satoko/Vier becomes a full witch, takes the name Lamdadelta from her OG-self (Vier Dreissig, which means 4 30) and goes looking for Rika's witch-self, Frederica Bernkastel.
How about we NOT connecting them? Tired that
It's already done. The new epilogue bridged the gap and Ryukishi is now freely talking about how everyone is connected.
@@Hikouma I know, and I hate it, not every fuking piece of fiction needs to be "LE DEEPEST LORE MULTIVERSE LOL"
@@akiradkcn Well the creators had other plans. 🤷♂🤷♂
Satano