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Miyo Takano: Understanding Higurashi's Mysterious Soothsayer
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- čas přidán 14. 08. 2024
- She sure is one hell of a monstrous bitch, but does she deserve any sympathy for it? As Ryukishi puts it, that's for each reader to decide.
That laugh, though.
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Timestamps:
0:00 Intro
1:37 Miyo Takano
5:45 Analysis of Takano
12:26 Conclusion
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Miyo Takano: To this day, I still think that she’s one of the best written antagonists I’ve ever seen in fiction. She’s fleshed out really well, her character literally embodies the darkness that the other characters succumb to in previous arcs, she can be sympathetic just as much as she can be terrifying and ruthless, and, most terrifying of all, in all but one world (so far), she WINS. Truly one of the most memorable characters in Higurashi.
i guess it's quite off topic but do anyone know of a good website to stream newly released series online ?
@Deacon Shane thank you, signed up and it seems like a nice service :) I appreciate it!
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in sense i think miyo is witch it make sense since we see bernkastle save her kinda why shes the antagonist knows about the syndrome sine rika told her shes only one to rember her death similar to keichi
Fun fact (Higu spoilers): In Watanagashi and Meakashi, Takano actually fails to engineer the Great Hinamizawa Disaster. This is because of her assertion that upon the death of the queen carrier (Rika Furude), all the villagers will suffer from the syndrome and go insane within a few days- the fear of this outcome is what prompts Emergency Manual 34, and the massacre of the villagers in this extraordinary occurrence, to be approved. However, in Watanagashi and Meakashi, Rika's body after being killed by Shion isn't found until several days after her death, when it's found at the bottom of the well- and obviously, the villagers haven't gone berserk. This disproves Takano's justification for Emergency Manual 34 and prevents the massacre from being approved at the very end. I'm not sure if this is ever explicitly stated, but you can at least piece it together from the fact that the ending credits for Watanagashi show Irie as alive in 2005 - when Takano instigates the Great Hinamizawa Disaster, she uses the Mountain Dogs to kill Irie and stage his suicide, so the fact that Irie doesn't meet that fate shows that Takano's scheme didn't go as planned. Rena is also listed as alive in 2005, further evidence that in those timelines the disaster never occurs.
You truly put into words why Takano is one of my favorite villains of all time. She truly makes the viewer realize that often the worst people had something that caused them to be that way. It doesn’t excuse it, but it also doesn’t mean they aren’t deserving of help towards bettering themselves and achieving their own peaceful and happy lives.
People like Takano don't deserve a peaceful happy live...they do deserve death though.
Takano: Muwahaha No one can stop me! My plans are perfect!
Shion: Hold my electric taser.
I think her failures start when she neglects to understand what her grandfather wanted. The thing that any researcher and seeker of truth is meant to desire. Embetterment of the human condition. She only sought it for him and not for what the point of his research was.
She also never never considered that while parts of her grandfather’s theories were apparently right, some of them could have been wrong. For instance in meakashi hen, Rika dies and a day passes without everyone succumbing, so it’s entirely possible the queen carrier doesn’t exist or, if it does, it doesn’t function the way he predicted.
Fantastic analysis Takano is one of my favorite characters in the entire 07th Expansion universe. I'd like to share some of my own interpretations of her character.
2 main notions just keep coming back in her story. Loss/death and loneliness. You see Takano from a very young age just keeps losing people to the god's whims. First, her parents died, then her surrogate grandfather, and finally her uncle figure Koizumi. I mean I appreciate the anime scenes but VN makes it far more clear by showing how devastated Takano is after Koizumi's death. She truly cared about him and yet again she lost another person who she held dear to her heart.
The conversation between Takano and her grandfather at the beginning of Matsuribayashi is very important in understanding her character. Ascending to godhood, revival, and essentially obtaining immortality. Immortality through your work and in the minds of people who acknowledge you. This idea was later expanded in Umineko when they cry, achieving immortality through being acknowledged/being in someone's mind and heart. So this ideology got really twisted in Takano's mind after she lost her grandfather. She was so desperate and tired of losing people to death. She always mentions how she will succeed her grandfather's work essentially revive him and make him ascend godhood alongside herself so she wouldn't have to be alone. After she becomes a god and her grandfather alongside her. She will not be alone and gods won't be able to torment her, toy with, and sneer at her fate.
In Umineko When They Cry episode 6 Lambdadelta mentioned how to create the greatest bully. She stated ''It's simple. Just horribly bully a person for a period of time and then grant them power. There you have yourself the greatest bully.'' Takano had been bullied by gods and now she's become the god who toys with other people's fates hence her playful, cruel attitude. She's taking her revenge and anger towards god from other people by playing it.
But at the end of the day, Takano never reached godhood. On the contrary, she had been just a puppet of the real 'gods' of our world; humans who hold immense political influence and power. She was never able to revive her grandfather. And most importantly, the harsh reality that she is still that utterly alone child with no one to trust or rely on. (except Tomitake)
Wow I can't believe I forgot about that Lambda line. It does fit Takano perfectly, further strengthening the connection between the two of them.
Watching the DEEN anime again for this video, it does just gloss over her backstory way too fast.
@@WarudoChaos but not every victim has to become a bully, some people turn out to be more sympathetic and empathetic towards other people and their experiences. why do some turn bad and others grow bigger hearts i wonder..
@@WarudoChaos And to think that Matsuribayashi got the most episode count. Probably out of any other arc matsuri got the most faithful transition to anime and this kind of nuances still gets lost. It's depressing. Just goes to show you how horribly butchered the other arcs are. I'm still especially mad about Meakashi and Tsumihoroboshi.
@@vivvy_0 There's no perfect formula, but it seems like support is the major factor. Children can overcome trauma that happened in their formative years if they get support through and after it - but if they don't, it changes them forever.
Takano as a character is fantastic and I think that the manga especially does a great job of portraying her actions. And on a side note, some of her manga panels are amazing and really chilling, my favourite is probably her encounter with Keiichi in the curse killing arc
The Tatarigoroshi manga makes her seem so menacing, it's a far cry from the VN, where she is just depicted as ominous and mysterious.
Her lobotomy of Rika's mother is by far my favorite, since it's manga exclusive and shows exactly how sadistic and monstrous she can be.
Saddest thing about her is that even in all those worlds where she succeeded... well... it just doesn't mean anything at all. At least if we are to trust everything post 1983 where her plan succeeded. She just ends up without Tomitake and without the parasite (or in other words, without her grandpa's life work). Which ironically means that that, despite the fact that she was constantly winning with Rika, she never won at all up until she was defeated. Kinda funny if you ask me.
I wonder if Nomura will have any role in Gou...
(also holy crap that D*EN scene at the end here is so bad when compared to literally every other version)
This isn't surprising considering the Emergency Manual 34 plan was conceived by Nomura. If Takano had come up with it herself, she might have had a chance of succeeding in the way she wanted. As it turned out, Nomura's principal goal was to eliminate the remnants of the Koizumi branch within Tokyo and all of their initiatives, which includes Alphabet and Takano's research. So, no matter the outcome, Takano gets screwed and Nomura wins. In the case where Takano kills Rika and the plan succeeds, Nomura has her finger on the button and all the resources at the ready to swiftly cover up the entire incident, and dismiss Takano as a radical lunatic, very likely dispatching a unit on Tokyo's behalf to have her killed as a liability, thus completely torpedoing the credibility of whatever remains of Koizumi's faction.. In the case where Takano fails, Nomura still gets to brand Takano as an insane lunatic of a scapegoat who tried to carry out a village-wide genocide, and the end result is still the same: Tokyo pulling out of Hinamizawa and no more Koizumi faction.
Nomura is a manipulative bitch, that's for sure.
I don't see anything wrong with the Deen Scene. It seems fine to me, i like her laugh too.
I mean, considering all the other flops of the DeEn adaptation, this one was rather mild.
Yup. She's terrifying and seemingly undefeatable from the perspective of the main characters... but as soon as the curtains close, she finds out that she never was in control of anything. An incredible setup, honestly - in the end, saving the villain is necessary to truly win.
Takano as the antagonist was definitely surprising when I watched the original series many years ago. Her backstory arc is interesting and their fight against her in the last half of Kai was exciting. I know there are people who say that watching Gou without seeing the original series is okay cause the arc are mostly stand alone until the more recent ones but still gives some important info, I think the newcomers are missing out on the original story and Takano's entire role in the story.
If they never show more of Hanyuu, I think the new watchers are missing out on her, too. Finding out about her existence and her role is just as surprising and interesting as Takano's when I watched this series back in the day.
Amazing video! You truly have such an insightful understanding of Takano. She's one of my favorite characters ever, I'm excited to see what they're going to do with her in GOU.
Takano is my favorite Higurashi character - I think the best interpretation of her comes via the manga, which shows a lot more of both her humanity and her monstrosity.
Considering how the last few episodes have turned all the beacons of hope into Rika slaying machines, maybe Takano will experience the opposite effect.
Judging from watching episode 18 of gou it seems she's not going to be the main villian.
@@nathanielduncan4692 that kinda sucks :/
@@davantiowo6519 yeah it was really official on episode 19.
Takano was a villain so good that when it was revealed her backstory, i couldn't do anything but hope that not only the club could win and live beyond June 1983, but that Takano could bury and kill this name to be her real self, Tanashi Miyoko
when Frederika comes to Tanashi as a child, she gives her those two options and then, saves Miyoko from having the of blood 2000 people in her hands. The killer from 100 years, the torturer and the one who destroyed hinamizawa, is forgiven by the one who have been tortured by her from 100 years
Takano and Tanashi are both villains who gives extremely contrary feelings each, Takano is a cold, maniac and demoniac murderer, and Tanashi is a traumatized and broken girl who lost everything a a kid
This is an amazing channel! Hope you do some Umineko stuff too!
Umineko videos are definitely planned.
I don’t think I will live enough to understand all this thing umineko and higurashi is just to much thing to me
Pic?
Wow... you explained the hell out of Takano. I never thought about her that way.
I love Takano's character and feel many emotions towards her. Thanks for making this summary.
I feel like she's a bit underrated? 😅 a very interesting character
Please do a video on Satoshi as well. He's my favorite character in the series and people don't give him enough recognition.
Sometimes I feel even Ryukishi himself doesn't remember that Satoshi exists...
@@WarudoChaos trust me ...he...will..be....a....thing....lat...e...r
The saddest moment with her is when she "wins", but then the captain of the Mountain Dogs forces her to commit suicide, revealing that she's been betrayed and all her sins have been for absolutely nothing, how everything will be covered up and buried.
The strangled cry she gives with the gun in her mouth right before pulling the trigger, tears streaming down her face... that's haunting.
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Amazing channel. I'm really tempted now to go and read the visual novel now
Please do, the VN and manga are criminally overlooked and DEEN, while a good gateway, is nowhere near as comprehensive.
4:48 i kind of agree with the higher ups, there ain't no parasite
5:30 and yet Rika let her do it in so many fragments that she started hating hinimizawa
In all respects the 2020 anime has shown anyone can be murderous with the hinimizawa syndrome so im thinking we know why she was less murderous in other fragments
Wonderful analysis. I really enjoyed it
I really like what I've seen so far :)
By any chance have you thought about reviewing higurashi gou??
I would watch them all haha
I tweet out my thoughts once a week on Gou as it airs. For sure I'll be doing an analysis of Gou once it is over.
13:35 that’s the line from her Image Song...
WHOA
I love you create content like this. ^^
Wait so is Takano Lambadelta's game piece or Satoko
That is ambiguous, those the majority of the evidence up until Gou points to Takano. Gou may or may not completely shake things up, however.
@Omega Zero Umineko spoilers
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Lambda has interacted with Yasuda as well. At this point she could be a whole different character who is neither Takano nor Satoko
She is the same takano that appears in higurashi gou? So she was the main villain in the first season? I had a bad feeling about her but not that much...
You should see her in Higurashi Gou's manga. She comes off as an absolute lunatic, super fitting for her.
When I saw Takano's portrayal in the Gou manga, I was like "Yep, now that's the Takano I remember"
If you mean the anime I'll have to say no.
Is there a Manga for Higurashi Gou????
@@ivanvperez Yes. Google is your friend.
3:34 That man looks like Adolf Hitler
I mean, does said mustache have to be controversial?
Jiro’s treatment of her in one of the loops in Gou was just disgusting and uncalled for, she didn’t have to be done like that.
I mean I wouldn’t call it uncalled for, she was an amoral psycho after all
Which loop in particular?
The loop I remember is the one where they team up in escaping the Yamainu's clutches, plus another one where they are walk together like a couple in the ending of Sotsu.
@@ibrahimihsan2090 the one where he makes her kill herself.
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I’ve been going on a binge of higurashi but I can’t find all of the series, can anyone place them as a reply on my comment? And I’m not wanting the VN or manga just the anime’s
Depending on your country: www.hidive.com/tv/when-they-cry
Kind of funny that gou completely undid all of this and just had her get killed off, or at least it showed in some timelines she ends up dead without succeeding, I wasn’t too fond of her being forgiven so seeing her actually get her comeuppance, I mean you can’t deny she deserved it.
Wasn't that another fragment? In an alternative fragment created by Satoko's looping alternate to Matsuribayashi's end result, she is forced to commit suicide(like where was the gang there?). I personally would have liked it if she was culled after the Hinamizawa disaster for being a liability to Tokyo and herself suffering from Hinamizawa syndrome by Okonogi and his subordinates. But I guess since they wanted to reminisce events from fragments created via Satoko's looping, they gave her flashbacks of an alternate scenario of Matsuribayashi-hen where she is forced to commit suicide.
Great video
This could turn into an awesome When they cry related channel!
Still not sure what to do with it: next few videos are WTC related, but I'll probably end up talking about other VNs, especially of the denpa variety.
@@WarudoChaos make sure you check out Subahibi if you haven't already, would love a video about it!
@@CthulhusShoes Your patience will be rewarded.
do a Rena video omg i love how you narrate
Hmm...I really should, shouldn't I?
Is it just me or does that man on the left look a little suspicious? 🤨 3:35
I'm sick and tired of living in a world where good people die and evil people are allowed to live even though they did fucked up shit.
3:33 thaaaat is not really a good look for that guy.
I still do not fully understand why she wanted to disembowel Rika after killing her? "For all the villagers to see"? Why though??
Because the image of her defiled corpse is what causes the symptoms of the Himanizawa syndrome to go into overdrive. In arcs where Rika is killed 'normally' (e.g. Meakashi), her death does not lead to an outbreak of the virus..
@@WarudoChaos Ohhh, I see. Thank you!
For me it’s because she wants to defy the goddess of the place, and the best way is to do the watanagashi in the reincarnation of that goddess. That would be the ultimate blasfemy, because also SHE wants to take the place of oyashiro-sama
@@WarudoChaos also, I say this because when Takano thought in Matsuribayashi that Rika died, she panicked because she says that people have to become crazy and is not possible that is not happening. In fact, that’s the reason why Takano “knew” Rika didn’t die.
Aaalso I say this because when they die for manual 34 we never have the time to see if they went crazy or not. So, that assumption could be wrong
Er can someone answer this for me? If the game was between Lambdadelta and Bernkastel- did Takano winning mean nothing? Like Takano WON but with Hanyuus power, Rika has been able to redo it again for 100 years. So my question is was Rika cheating?
Her redoing the timeline is the game. Bern is the witch of miracles and Lam is the witch of certainty . So the game is to see if a miracle can occur in a board that has a certain outcome. If Rika escapes the loops , Bern wins.
@@yukaoppa7490 ohh
Whelp the new series just confirmed that Takano lost the mantle of LD. It was Satoko all along
@@nathanielrodriguez1873 Yeah I personally feel the new seasons didn’t do justice to the og Higurashi and Lambdas backstory.
walks in not know much about higurashi o - o i see
Aw, I liked the original thumbnail and title more. Probably more easy to identify though
Miyo did nothing wrong. She shouldn't had never been abused as a kid.
Abused = rape, sexual assaut
Terrible backstories don’t justify evil atrocities, but it sure explains it
I don't see her as an evil monster, she did a lot of bad stuff, It's for sure, but after watching everything she have to endure, i can understand why she became so crazy, it doesn't excuse her acts, but she's the kind of individual that in another situations could be a cool person to have as a friend. Her goal was good, the means which are the problem
No, her goal wasn't good since she obsessed over proving her adoptive grandfather's theories themselves instead of whether or not they could benefit people which probably was Dr. Takano's ultimate intention.
In her mind, her purpose was to prove the theories, whether that resulted in harm to others did not matter to her.
3:35 hitler-chan uwu
i honestly didnt want to watch this because i hate miyo more than any other characters. i hated her reveal episode that went into her backstory because i found it cheap. with most villains they can have the redemption arc but at some point if you cross a line, all hope goes out the window. she crossed that line for me by headshotting the characters while trying to play god. buuut i'll listen to give the video a fair shot and the views it deserves for such a lengthy deep dive ❤
One thing I don't understand is how did things played out in the first arc of the first season in the anime. Keiichi's arc to be precise. Like he killed Rena and Mion, then he dies to the curse, parasite, syndrome or whatever-- But whatever happened to Rika and Satoko? Can we assume that Takano killed them both as she did in the 2nd season of the anime?
Also, in Shion's arc Rika killed herself in the Sonozaki's resident. How would Takano finish her plan to do the Great Hinamizawa Disaster? Without Rika the ritual wouldn't be complete. 😕
In Onikakushi, it's likely that Takano still kills Rika and lays the village to waste.
In both Watanagashi and Meakashi you're right in that Rika dies by her own hand and that Takano's plan fails. In both those arcs, there is no Great Hinamizawa Disaster and the village lives on.
I could understand that she became the way that she did because of being subjected to abuse by that monster of an owner at the orphanage. I could even forgive if she misinterpreted what her grandfather meant by becoming "god" in his stead. I could forgive all that if not for the fact that she takes it too far becoming just as bad as some of the more worse characters in the series.
Eh i feel the same.
She apologized tho
"Sorry I killed you and your friends in another timeline, but for some reason, I'm not sorry for ordering the poisoning of your father and making sashimi out of your mother's brain which is something that actually happened in this timeline"
She said sorry for all of her schemes
Takano's exact words: "I’m sorry, I’m so sorry. No, it was my decision to get involved and that’s the undeniable truth.
To fulfill my own selfish desires, I was going to...
Jiro-san, tonight, we celebrate Watanagashi, yes? Tonight is the night to lay my sins bare and let them drift away. I was going to kill you. And not just you. All of your friends too. Every last one... I’m sorry...I’m so sorry."
She literally uses the words “important friends” (大切な友達), which 100% does not include Rika’s parents, and she was prefaces it with “I was going to kill..” not “Sorry for killing...”
Unless they reveal that a certain someone else killed Rika's parents - it's certainly a possibility which would explain the awkward omission.
Takano is such a p.o.s. I really don't get her actions at all or why they gave her such kind eyes....also I've come to the revelation that she stole oyashiro's sword inside the shrine shed. She had access....tomitaki or whatever his name is even asked her if she stole anything. Hmm and it's missing when Rika needs it...so yea Takano is good for it probably
Wait, we don't know if she stole the sword yet. It could've been Satoko.
Thanks for the spoiler in the title buddy,it doesn,t matter if you put a disclaimer in the begining if you spoil it in title,which most people just naturally read. I know sometimes we spoil with no bad intention,but you should change the title.
I mean, if I had identified Takano as the main villain, that'd be one thing, but how much information does knowing Takano is a "killer" really give you without context? Literally the opening scene of DEEN Onikakushi is Keiichi violently murdering two people, which means he could bear such a title as well. Not to mention looking up Shion and Rena in any capacity will immediately identify them as such. Satoko killed her parents. Satoshi killed his aunt. Irie definitely killed the dam construction manager. Being a killer makes you more of the norm than the outlier in the world of Higurashi. What better place to hide hay than in a haystack?
For all anyone knows, the title could be referring to Takano's past transgressions that you would see unfold via flashbacks, and now she's reformed at the time of Watanagashi where she is a staunch ally to the main cast for the entire series.
still kinda spoiler especially in the beginning when you don’t really know her role and just make assumptions, this kinda gives it away :/
Fair enough, but if Ryukishi himself can spoil literally everything about Takano's role without any warning in episode 17 of Gou, a series which he openly advertised as perfectly "welcoming for newcomers", then I think we're all entitled to a little latitude on the matter.
this series is literally almost 10 years old
@@WarudoChaos *[MAJOR HIGURASHI SPOILER]* This video's title and thumbnail is still a major spoiler for the original arcs regardless. It's true that in Higurashi, saying someone is a killer doesn't really spoil a whole lot for the series because of how the arcs are episodic at first, but the same doesn't apply to Takano. Characters like Rena and Mion are presented as possible killers throughout any individual arc, sometimes being allies to the respective arc's protagonist and sometimes enemies, but until a certain point in the arcs, Takano consistently disappears from the spotlight, trying to make the viewer think there's no way she could kill anyone. By spoiling in the title that she's a killer, you open up the idea that she doesn't actually die and that she's the main villain throughout the arcs.
also ryukishi stating gou is welcoming for newcomers is completely wrong