I wanted to do a bit of a challenge run with solo class, no chariot run. picked valk semi randomly and cause I wanted to focus on spears for fun. It wasn't a challenge at all. These guys are insane.
Really love these guys! Very often I will make Denam one of them and I always have at least a couple in pretty much every battle, having that couple of units that can fill in for whatever is needed the most at that time (Recruit, damage, healing) it's great. They are cool too, specially the valkyries,
The thumbnail pic on this one is GOATed. Also, when I saw one of the Fencers rocking Dragonslayer I had to stop for a moment, until I looked at the gear and saw it was running the Wyrm set. 🧐 Now I'm having second thoughts on reverting Denam to Rune Fencer again. 😅
The only role a fencer cannot properly fullfull is the frontline and disabler in the endgame. This is because in endgame finishers hit so hard you need nullify or skills like phalanx in my experience, and valkys lack of access to consistent disable (only having finishers to do this). This is only for hard fights like heavenly generals or coda4, outside they can prob do the job. Fencers can do everything but they do not replace anything. The true army swiss knife. You can run 12 fencers, maybe 11 + a phalanx/dragon scale/nullify user. I dropped all my fencers at the end of coda2 though. In my 5 playthroughs of the different versions of luct/ov and now reborn this is the first time I didn't run ravness with valky. This is because while they can do everything, they are not the best at anything. frontliners? I prefer knights + dragons or the billion of special classes like white knight, mages? I prefer any of the actual backline summon2 users over valkys. support units? I prefer warlocks and clerics because of long range low RT because of movement casts, specially with warlocks/deneb having nullify strike and songstress being overall amazing. They are meant to be a hybrid but there is no an actual benefit of being a hybrid versus being a specialized unit. This is a direct contrast to lord, lord can be a tanky summon 2 mage with speedstar. This is what you call a true replacer, because of his combination of skills he can be everything even better than the specializations can, lord is a crazy class in this game.
Fair, but at the same time due to weakness exploits in Reborn, that option versatility just hits harder here. Like you said, they don't really need to replace anything.
@@CoffeePotato I can see that but with how I play I completely ignore the elemental/racial/equipment advantage in the game. This is because I never felt pressed to build or engage with it. Just laziness tbh lol. I did not build my army to take into account elemental coverage, I was having a lot of fun just nuking things regardless to the point I don't look at the element of the enemy at all before I choose to attack, its an irrelevant variable for me that I learned can actually be very influential from watching your videos, but during my game time it never came up. This is different from something like SMT where you NEED in very obligatory way to engage with its element system or you will get absolutely wrecked. But yea you can legit straight up change his weapon, his element with a charm and his skills/spells and he is tailored made for any specific fight without changing the class.
Big fan of Valkyries/Fencers. My KoL days force me to only use lady units for this class, but that's not a big deal in this game. My only issue running Valks is thier defences. Obviously, this is mitigate-able, but the gear they want makes them feel much squishier than the other "dedicated" frontliners (Warrior, TKs, Knights etc). Big fan of bow/xbow on them, since they can sit at range and pick up stray cards, scaling very well with whatever stats they happen to stumble upon.
Insill element gives defense for its own element. Instill earth blocks earth damage, Instill fire blocks fire etc. So, it's best to equip your weak element to get the most out of it.
@@CoffeePotato I don't think the -Attuned buff's reduction of matching elemental damage was ever in question, maybe just the exact value (it was reduced from 35% Stat Overhead in LUCT to 15% in Reborn).
Hey coffee. The tooltip for instill spells says air attuned provides air resistance, light attuned provides light resistance etc. Are you sure the instills follow the armor logic? (Where earth units equip ice stuff because it provides air resist) I’m trying to find some defensive tech for my light lord Denam without taking up a skill slot and I was wondering if you think I should take instill light or dark! Thanks in advance, I’ve said it before but I love these deep dives.
My Lord Coffee… a question of your knowledge (aside from this great vid on Fencers !), if I may ? I discovered the Bow, “Ixquimilli’s Bow’, in my recent POTD diving, before finishing up this run and going on to Chaos route… I was shocked to find this Ice Bow ‘relic’ coming in as a ONE-handed bow, with an astounding 5-8 Range ! This is much more in line with 2-handers, iirc ? Also, mine dropped from a (roughly Level-20’s in POTD, iirc) monster, with starting stats of 15-Pierce, 15-Ice, and 99 Attack ! /// This seems freakishly strong for a 1-Hand bow, especially compared to the current alternatives I had been using in 1-hand. Is this some kind of stats glitch, for Reborn, or was ‘Ixquimilli’s Bow’ always blessed with huge 1-H Range, etc - even on the PSP Version ?
The Ixquimilli's Bow definitely looks like its stats have been adjusted to be a 1-Handed Bow (it was 2-Handed in the PSP version). Compared to its PSP incarnation, it has lost 14 ATK stat (99 vs 113), 1 DEX (5 vs 6), 2 INT (1 vs 3), and 3 RES (5 vs 8). In exchange, its WT has been lowered by 4 (9 vs 13), and its RT cost has been lowered by 9 (30 vs 39).
Ruc explained the numbers, but I like to see the one handed version as the baseline version you can easily replace and use for a Counterattack build, while the 2H variant is the one you really want to be using on a dedicated Archer. The bonuses on the Relic versions can be upgraded a lot.
@@CoffeePotato Thanks for both your insights, on this ! Seemed like such a crazy jump from the Damasc Bow that I figured I was misremembering something from the OG PSP 😅. I’ve tossed it on my Ice Fairy familiar to great results - and she even gets to keep the Baldur+1 shield in the offhand !
Absolutely, and they somehow can still convince people to join you. How someone seems this feathery roadkill come back to life, ask them to join their cult, and thinks "yeah, alright, this seems like a solid career move" is anyone's guess.
I have some question about the instill elements skill. Does it increase your physical damage if your weapons are also the same element? Does it increase the damage against target that has adverse effect of that element? For example, if my rune fencer procs instill dark, then attack a target that has dark adverse, will I see the damage increase?
Ok, I just tested this, and it seemed like there are no damage increase at all even against the target that has dark adverse effect. I am a bit confused, so the instill element only works against targets that are weak to that element? Or is its entire purpose is to give you resistance?
It's kind of it's own thing on top. So it has different intensity based on stages from what I understand. On the low end, where it's resisted and off element, it's like 13%. When matching element, but neutral, it's around 25%. If effective, but off element, it's like 27%? At max it goes up to 31%. It just adds that to whatever your damage was as a second stack. So, provided resistances aren't making things funky, an archer were to fire for 100, but then used tremendous for 200, but then also added Double for 400, this would be raising that to 500 or so. Usually it's like 30-50 extra damage.
They'll certainly be handy in many areas, and Conserve MP with some Auto cards definitely overcomes one of the big undead weaknesses, just be sure to watch for exorcism sources. Crystal Pumpkins, Starfall, Banish, and Divine Orbs tend to catch folks by surprise.
If you were to min/max a Valkyrie how would you go about it? Also still not sure how instills work, does Earth instill give a defense buff to Earth or do you use for air for it 🤔
I was half asleep and used the armor logic here, but the instills block the thing they are instilling. So fire should use Fire for a higher damage bonus, but can use Water to cover their elemental weakness. Armor, on the other hand, gives you an opposing affinity bonus, so fire armor helps Air units by countering Ice.
I think Ravness should 100% be a White knight if you want max power, probably the best class in the game behind lord. I prefer using shamans over valkys because unless you have a lot of cards they will end up better casters and the sisters are always casters for me. Rune fencers are more generalists than dedicated casters.
@@hlopez-mz5fs Max Power isn't really a thing, though. Something with an unreasonable 1000 strength could still hit a Phalanx for peanuts, while poison would have them half dead by next round. It's all situational. Shamans themselves aren't stronger in any way other than range over Valks. The class doesn't scale damage, each move or spell scales individually. So it's the same spell, same stats because it's the same unit, barring the like...7 int difference, so maybe 7-10 damage. But they cast it for free, and can still follow up with a finisher next round. Or just never stop to recharge. Or get bullied by birds. Or need half the team dedicated to protecting their squishy butts when they are the front line. I know at this point I'm down to only one token shaman after comparing the two side by side extensively. To each their own, I'm just throwing this out there.
@@CoffeePotato When I leveled my rune fencers they end up on average around 60 to 80 int below my mages. This is taking into account class growth and gear. If the difference was only 7-10 int sure then rune fencers would be worth it as a mage but that was not true for me. I ended up using my rune fencers for finishers rather than summon because they did more damage that way, I still like rune fencers because having a situational status heal was extremely helpful and spear finishers are really strong but I dont like their summon usage, only sometimes. Also frontliners are just heavier units, their RT is much slower than backline casters, long term DPS differecne is very noticeable for me. I prefer using liches over shamans but I dont use rune fencers are mages. As for max power I guess I mean white knights feel extremely op. velocity shift is just so strong, valkys cant do that for sure. Edit: for example, prnt.sc/L7T-l0isl0XZ
@@hlopez-mz5fs Fair, but 20 is 10-7.5% of 200-300 stats that units run by chapter 5-8, right? So if you could always land on a weakness, that's always going to be at least a 30%, not even getting into the defense or sustainability benefits, or other options. That my point here. It's not a direct damage comparison, it's comparable damage of the right type at the right time. The way I see it, it's like the PS2. On paper, it's got weaker numbers than any modern device, yet even a lot of modern laptops have a hard time raw powering PS2 emulation for something like Armored Core. Hell, many have weird jank with SNES games even. Raw power is good, but the right tools designed for the right job will get farther with less effort. Especially when those tools didn't take a dozen hours to unlock. White Knights are pretty darn solid, can't go wrong with them. Valks don't match them for direct hits, but they've got comparable options. That's while other rabbit hole, though, and I should get this laundry done.
If my fencer procs Conserve MP at the beginning of the battle, I'd have it cast BoS on itself precisely to lean on this happening. On subsequent turns I have them quicken a few other teammates too. It's such a force multiplier!
Generics. 100%. Having a name is nice and all, but between zombie options, transformations, the Ogre Blade cheese, and the peace of mind of being replaceable, I just prefer them in the long run. Uniques are good for when you get them, and fun for their unique stuff and starter stay boost. I really like that they get outclassed so often by nobodies in the long run this time, it fits a lot better with the themes of the game.
If i was to replay this game, i would recruit a ton of wingmen, and turn them to undead/necro/lich so i never have to farm winged shoe/rings. Can just auto the entire PoTD.
That works until it doesn't, end game birds still hard counter them pretty darn well. High MP Cleric Resurrection pairs typically will give you the same effect faster, while not having that chance of instant deletion. Well, depending on the map. Undead work well for stall maps, but lack of recovery hurts when they're taking 6 bird attacks immediately...and shoes can't help an unconscious unit, which is where Steadfast gets insane. Especially in Coda.
Poison just doesn't work fast enough. Generally I just build to kill as the poison takes too long to tick and by the time I get 1 tick of poison off, I've already dealt 5x the poison dmg.
It's 30% of health per round, 10% per tick. In an ideal world, sure, doing more directly would be ideal, but in a case where you can sacrifice about 50 or so direct damage for some 600-1200 per round without wasting the effort to attack them again, it's massive.
@@CoffeePotato Don't get me wrong, I see the appeal. I've done poison. But the BIGGEST TANKIEST dragons are just easier and faster to take down NOT using poison. If I'm lucky, the thing I poisoned gets one single tick of poison damage before another unit wipes out the dragon. However, most of the time I poison something like a dragon, it just dies before that poison ticks even once.
I just discovered this at level 15. I wish I'd made Denam one at level 1. But, saying they cast for free is misleading as the ability needs to trigger for that to happen. Also, their RT is in the mid 90s, so they're fairly quick.
Realistically, any auto skill can be made guaranteed by just breaking some prop tiles for the high chance of auto spawns. Between Conserve, Meditate, and near complete access to gear with spells on it, they effectively cast for free.
In the post-game my fencers deal trash for damage. I've tried so many times to make them work but all they do is cast Boon and use weak finishers. Ogre fencer is Amazing though. It rivals Denam's Lord class.
@@CoffeePotato That works for any unit. Half of the units in the post-game can cast Boon with equipment, and the other half can 1 shot nearly anything. there is no room for below average units. During the beginning and up to chapter 4 the Fencer is a great class. post-game they are slow, do no damage, boon spell is useless when half the team has gear that cast boon. Only good thing is they do hit several elements and Ease 2.
All the comments bellow, are without considering item use(items are the single most op thing in this game). Summons are op, not fencer. Although I find this class a good generalist and a average class, one thing it does well is being the best debuff removal with ease in the game, because it can stay behind your superior melee units and because their healing is worse then cleric, their damage is worse then specialists, your mp can be safely used with ease and boon and their lower damage makes support even more appealing. Besides, hawkmen can be fencers and that is another plus for the class. For example, instead of nerfing fencer, I would prefer if they buffed tk, ninja and swordmaster giving them meditate 2, so the player has more hybrid options ealier on, and not only in endgame with bodysnatch lich. Reborn is great but in order to make it more balanced they would need to nerf and buff a lot of stuff, I do not believe that major patches like that will come anytime soon.
You should not be using poison at level 50. In post game you will be one shotting everything with Shaman, Denam and Princess. Unless you want to use weak sub-optimal units.
Are you really telling someone, who’s channel is heavily devoted to TO for years what is and isn’t good? Edit: jokes aside there are a variety of strategies work and are very effective. And a decent amount of the time you still need to be adaptable with your strats that’s what makes this game great. But tbh your way obviously requires alot of farming. While the game has only been out a few months. We know enough to know that debuffs are the way to go. Poison is good and used to kill things quicker or distract the ai a bit. Your way is viable too but again requires a lot of farming to well not play the game and just brute force it.
@@2265Hello This game has only been out for a few months. So yes, I have as much or more experience than him on THIS game. Second, he has been wrong or inaccurate on several occasions, that I had to correct him on. If MAXED level unit needs poison, you are doing something wrong. Half of my units can almost always 1 shot even level 70 units. The other half are there to support the damage dealers. But anyone can certainly play with weak or crap units if they so choose.
I wanted to do a bit of a challenge run with solo class, no chariot run. picked valk semi randomly and cause I wanted to focus on spears for fun. It wasn't a challenge at all. These guys are insane.
Describe your job to me, Mrs...Valkyrie...what sorts of things do you do for a living?
"Yes."
Really love these guys! Very often I will make Denam one of them and I always have at least a couple in pretty much every battle, having that couple of units that can fill in for whatever is needed the most at that time (Recruit, damage, healing) it's great. They are cool too, specially the valkyries,
What will you be applying for, junior?
*Applied to everything at once*
The thumbnail pic on this one is GOATed. Also, when I saw one of the Fencers rocking Dragonslayer I had to stop for a moment, until I looked at the gear and saw it was running the Wyrm set. 🧐 Now I'm having second thoughts on reverting Denam to Rune Fencer again. 😅
Thank you! I ran mine as one into post game, only Lord could touch it in terms of an improvement. It was still like 90% Fencer 😂
The only role a fencer cannot properly fullfull is the frontline and disabler in the endgame. This is because in endgame finishers hit so hard you need nullify or skills like phalanx in my experience, and valkys lack of access to consistent disable (only having finishers to do this). This is only for hard fights like heavenly generals or coda4, outside they can prob do the job. Fencers can do everything but they do not replace anything. The true army swiss knife. You can run 12 fencers, maybe 11 + a phalanx/dragon scale/nullify user.
I dropped all my fencers at the end of coda2 though. In my 5 playthroughs of the different versions of luct/ov and now reborn this is the first time I didn't run ravness with valky. This is because while they can do everything, they are not the best at anything. frontliners? I prefer knights + dragons or the billion of special classes like white knight, mages? I prefer any of the actual backline summon2 users over valkys. support units? I prefer warlocks and clerics because of long range low RT because of movement casts, specially with warlocks/deneb having nullify strike and songstress being overall amazing. They are meant to be a hybrid but there is no an actual benefit of being a hybrid versus being a specialized unit.
This is a direct contrast to lord, lord can be a tanky summon 2 mage with speedstar. This is what you call a true replacer, because of his combination of skills he can be everything even better than the specializations can, lord is a crazy class in this game.
Fair, but at the same time due to weakness exploits in Reborn, that option versatility just hits harder here. Like you said, they don't really need to replace anything.
@@CoffeePotato I can see that but with how I play I completely ignore the elemental/racial/equipment advantage in the game. This is because I never felt pressed to build or engage with it. Just laziness tbh lol. I did not build my army to take into account elemental coverage, I was having a lot of fun just nuking things regardless to the point I don't look at the element of the enemy at all before I choose to attack, its an irrelevant variable for me that I learned can actually be very influential from watching your videos, but during my game time it never came up. This is different from something like SMT where you NEED in very obligatory way to engage with its element system or you will get absolutely wrecked.
But yea you can legit straight up change his weapon, his element with a charm and his skills/spells and he is tailored made for any specific fight without changing the class.
Big fan of Valkyries/Fencers. My KoL days force me to only use lady units for this class, but that's not a big deal in this game. My only issue running Valks is thier defences. Obviously, this is mitigate-able, but the gear they want makes them feel much squishier than the other "dedicated" frontliners (Warrior, TKs, Knights etc). Big fan of bow/xbow on them, since they can sit at range and pick up stray cards, scaling very well with whatever stats they happen to stumble upon.
True, they're such a happy medium of everything, it feels nice.
Started a all knight run. Good god this is fun. My slow tank army tanks no prisoners or arrows. Lol. Love the video's
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Thank ya kindly!
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Insill element gives defense for its own element. Instill earth blocks earth damage, Instill fire blocks fire etc. So, it's best to equip your weak element to get the most out of it.
I thought that was confirmed not the case again? Eh, need to double check. Worse case it's extra anyway.
@@CoffeePotato it says in the tool tips as much xD
@@CoffeePotato I don't think the -Attuned buff's reduction of matching elemental damage was ever in question, maybe just the exact value (it was reduced from 35% Stat Overhead in LUCT to 15% in Reborn).
Bro you won't believe what I'm going to tell you the tactics ogre saturn version was translated into full english
I'm sorry, but are you playing the "Lost in Gato Grottoes" music while wandering through San Bronsa?
Sure am!
Hey coffee. The tooltip for instill spells says air attuned provides air resistance, light attuned provides light resistance etc. Are you sure the instills follow the armor logic? (Where earth units equip ice stuff because it provides air resist)
I’m trying to find some defensive tech for my light lord Denam without taking up a skill slot and I was wondering if you think I should take instill light or dark! Thanks in advance, I’ve said it before but I love these deep dives.
The tooltip is right, I just did a dumb
My Lord Coffee… a question of your knowledge (aside from this great vid on Fencers !), if I may ? I discovered the Bow, “Ixquimilli’s Bow’, in my recent POTD diving, before finishing up this run and going on to Chaos route… I was shocked to find this Ice Bow ‘relic’ coming in as a ONE-handed bow, with an astounding 5-8 Range ! This is much more in line with 2-handers, iirc ? Also, mine dropped from a (roughly Level-20’s in POTD, iirc) monster, with starting stats of 15-Pierce, 15-Ice, and 99 Attack ! /// This seems freakishly strong for a 1-Hand bow, especially compared to the current alternatives I had been using in 1-hand. Is this some kind of stats glitch, for Reborn, or was ‘Ixquimilli’s Bow’ always blessed with huge 1-H Range, etc - even on the PSP Version ?
The Ixquimilli's Bow definitely looks like its stats have been adjusted to be a 1-Handed Bow (it was 2-Handed in the PSP version). Compared to its PSP incarnation, it has lost 14 ATK stat (99 vs 113), 1 DEX (5 vs 6), 2 INT (1 vs 3), and 3 RES (5 vs 8). In exchange, its WT has been lowered by 4 (9 vs 13), and its RT cost has been lowered by 9 (30 vs 39).
Ruc explained the numbers, but I like to see the one handed version as the baseline version you can easily replace and use for a Counterattack build, while the 2H variant is the one you really want to be using on a dedicated Archer. The bonuses on the Relic versions can be upgraded a lot.
@@CoffeePotato Thanks for both your insights, on this ! Seemed like such a crazy jump from the Damasc Bow that I figured I was misremembering something from the OG PSP 😅. I’ve tossed it on my Ice Fairy familiar to great results - and she even gets to keep the Baldur+1 shield in the offhand !
As a cherry on top, you can have Zombie Hawkman Rune Fencers! And they are quite easy to get!
Absolutely, and they somehow can still convince people to join you. How someone seems this feathery roadkill come back to life, ask them to join their cult, and thinks "yeah, alright, this seems like a solid career move" is anyone's guess.
I have some question about the instill elements skill. Does it increase your physical damage if your weapons are also the same element? Does it increase the damage against target that has adverse effect of that element? For example, if my rune fencer procs instill dark, then attack a target that has dark adverse, will I see the damage increase?
Ok, I just tested this, and it seemed like there are no damage increase at all even against the target that has dark adverse effect. I am a bit confused, so the instill element only works against targets that are weak to that element? Or is its entire purpose is to give you resistance?
It's kind of it's own thing on top. So it has different intensity based on stages from what I understand. On the low end, where it's resisted and off element, it's like 13%. When matching element, but neutral, it's around 25%. If effective, but off element, it's like 27%? At max it goes up to 31%. It just adds that to whatever your damage was as a second stack. So, provided resistances aren't making things funky, an archer were to fire for 100, but then used tremendous for 200, but then also added Double for 400, this would be raising that to 500 or so. Usually it's like 30-50 extra damage.
@@CoffeePotato Thanks!
Hey, im thinking of making my rune fencers/valkyries undead, what are your thoughts on this?
They'll certainly be handy in many areas, and Conserve MP with some Auto cards definitely overcomes one of the big undead weaknesses, just be sure to watch for exorcism sources. Crystal Pumpkins, Starfall, Banish, and Divine Orbs tend to catch folks by surprise.
If you were to min/max a Valkyrie how would you go about it? Also still not sure how instills work, does Earth instill give a defense buff to Earth or do you use for air for it 🤔
I was half asleep and used the armor logic here, but the instills block the thing they are instilling. So fire should use Fire for a higher damage bonus, but can use Water to cover their elemental weakness. Armor, on the other hand, gives you an opposing affinity bonus, so fire armor helps Air units by countering Ice.
The best Class, no tool quite like a Swiss army knife.
Evolves into Swiss Army Chainsaw by the end
@@CoffeePotato I agree with this xD
Do you recommend keeping the uniques as Valkyries? Cistina, Cerya and Ravness?
Yeah, they're like a regular valk, but faster. For all the hype about Shamans, I know I'd personally take a Valk any day.
I think Ravness should 100% be a White knight if you want max power, probably the best class in the game behind lord. I prefer using shamans over valkys because unless you have a lot of cards they will end up better casters and the sisters are always casters for me. Rune fencers are more generalists than dedicated casters.
@@hlopez-mz5fs Max Power isn't really a thing, though. Something with an unreasonable 1000 strength could still hit a Phalanx for peanuts, while poison would have them half dead by next round. It's all situational. Shamans themselves aren't stronger in any way other than range over Valks. The class doesn't scale damage, each move or spell scales individually. So it's the same spell, same stats because it's the same unit, barring the like...7 int difference, so maybe 7-10 damage. But they cast it for free, and can still follow up with a finisher next round. Or just never stop to recharge. Or get bullied by birds. Or need half the team dedicated to protecting their squishy butts when they are the front line. I know at this point I'm down to only one token shaman after comparing the two side by side extensively. To each their own, I'm just throwing this out there.
@@CoffeePotato When I leveled my rune fencers they end up on average around 60 to 80 int below my mages. This is taking into account class growth and gear. If the difference was only 7-10 int sure then rune fencers would be worth it as a mage but that was not true for me. I ended up using my rune fencers for finishers rather than summon because they did more damage that way, I still like rune fencers because having a situational status heal was extremely helpful and spear finishers are really strong but I dont like their summon usage, only sometimes. Also frontliners are just heavier units, their RT is much slower than backline casters, long term DPS differecne is very noticeable for me. I prefer using liches over shamans but I dont use rune fencers are mages.
As for max power I guess I mean white knights feel extremely op. velocity shift is just so strong, valkys cant do that for sure.
Edit: for example, prnt.sc/L7T-l0isl0XZ
@@hlopez-mz5fs Fair, but 20 is 10-7.5% of 200-300 stats that units run by chapter 5-8, right? So if you could always land on a weakness, that's always going to be at least a 30%, not even getting into the defense or sustainability benefits, or other options. That my point here. It's not a direct damage comparison, it's comparable damage of the right type at the right time.
The way I see it, it's like the PS2.
On paper, it's got weaker numbers than any modern device, yet even a lot of modern laptops have a hard time raw powering PS2 emulation for something like Armored Core. Hell, many have weird jank with SNES games even.
Raw power is good, but the right tools designed for the right job will get farther with less effort.
Especially when those tools didn't take a dozen hours to unlock.
White Knights are pretty darn solid, can't go wrong with them. Valks don't match them for direct hits, but they've got comparable options. That's while other rabbit hole, though, and I should get this laundry done.
Even without skill cards I find that even if I am spamming boon of swiftness every turn I often have an excess of mp thanks to meditate
MP go brr!
If my fencer procs Conserve MP at the beginning of the battle, I'd have it cast BoS on itself precisely to lean on this happening. On subsequent turns I have them quicken a few other teammates too. It's such a force multiplier!
@@Carlos-M i do cast boon of swiftness on my fencers often though normally by another unit. Why not have the Swiss Army knife be faster.
Thoughts on generics VS named characters?
Generics. 100%. Having a name is nice and all, but between zombie options, transformations, the Ogre Blade cheese, and the peace of mind of being replaceable, I just prefer them in the long run. Uniques are good for when you get them, and fun for their unique stuff and starter stay boost. I really like that they get outclassed so often by nobodies in the long run this time, it fits a lot better with the themes of the game.
How about a battle party of 4 terror knights and 6 rune fencers? A magic cult of brothers
Probably would be pretty decently adaptable.
If i was to replay this game, i would recruit a ton of wingmen, and turn them to undead/necro/lich so i never have to farm winged shoe/rings. Can just auto the entire PoTD.
That works until it doesn't, end game birds still hard counter them pretty darn well. High MP Cleric Resurrection pairs typically will give you the same effect faster, while not having that chance of instant deletion. Well, depending on the map. Undead work well for stall maps, but lack of recovery hurts when they're taking 6 bird attacks immediately...and shoes can't help an unconscious unit, which is where Steadfast gets insane. Especially in Coda.
Well shoot, I've been building resistances all wrong 🌚
We're all doing it, every menu has some new things to learn 😂
So are wizards/enchantress useless because this class exists?
Nope. They have longer range, better direct spell damage, and access to renewable Concentration boosted debuffs.
Poison just doesn't work fast enough. Generally I just build to kill as the poison takes too long to tick and by the time I get 1 tick of poison off, I've already dealt 5x the poison dmg.
It's 30% of health per round, 10% per tick. In an ideal world, sure, doing more directly would be ideal, but in a case where you can sacrifice about 50 or so direct damage for some 600-1200 per round without wasting the effort to attack them again, it's massive.
@@CoffeePotato Don't get me wrong, I see the appeal. I've done poison. But the BIGGEST TANKIEST dragons are just easier and faster to take down NOT using poison. If I'm lucky, the thing I poisoned gets one single tick of poison damage before another unit wipes out the dragon. However, most of the time I poison something like a dragon, it just dies before that poison ticks even once.
I just discovered this at level 15. I wish I'd made Denam one at level 1. But, saying they cast for free is misleading as the ability needs to trigger for that to happen.
Also, their RT is in the mid 90s, so they're fairly quick.
Realistically, any auto skill can be made guaranteed by just breaking some prop tiles for the high chance of auto spawns. Between Conserve, Meditate, and near complete access to gear with spells on it, they effectively cast for free.
In the post-game my fencers deal trash for damage. I've tried so many times to make them work but all they do is cast Boon and use weak finishers. Ogre fencer is Amazing though. It rivals Denam's Lord class.
Because you don't use them for the same kind of damage. Swapping to what the other guy is weak to is how they become oppressive.
@@CoffeePotato That works for any unit. Half of the units in the post-game can cast Boon with equipment, and the other half can 1 shot nearly anything. there is no room for below average units. During the beginning and up to chapter 4 the Fencer is a great class. post-game they are slow, do no damage, boon spell is useless when half the team has gear that cast boon. Only good thing is they do hit several elements and Ease 2.
This class needs to lose boon of swiftness and summons
Would still be nuts, funnily enough
@@CoffeePotato probably. tbh if I were making a balance mod I’d probably make meditate for all classes max out at rank 2 and valks get rank 1
@@ramentraveler7099 Still somehow OP 🤣
All the comments bellow, are without considering item use(items are the single most op thing in this game).
Summons are op, not fencer.
Although I find this class a good generalist and a average class, one thing it does well is being the best debuff removal with ease in the game, because it can stay behind your superior melee units and because their healing is worse then cleric, their damage is worse then specialists, your mp can be safely used with ease and boon and their lower damage makes support even more appealing.
Besides, hawkmen can be fencers and that is another plus for the class.
For example, instead of nerfing fencer, I would prefer if they buffed tk, ninja and swordmaster giving them meditate 2, so the player has more hybrid options ealier on, and not only in endgame with bodysnatch lich.
Reborn is great but in order to make it more balanced they would need to nerf and buff a lot of stuff, I do not believe that major patches like that will come anytime soon.
Personally just leave access to one or the other or rebalance boon and summons
You should not be using poison at level 50. In post game you will be one shotting everything with Shaman, Denam and Princess. Unless you want to use weak sub-optimal units.
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the amount of investment for strongest unit, not all people have that kind of time... while the mass produced unit can do same thing.
Are you really telling someone, who’s channel is heavily devoted to TO for years what is and isn’t good?
Edit: jokes aside there are a variety of strategies work and are very effective. And a decent amount of the time you still need to be adaptable with your strats that’s what makes this game great.
But tbh your way obviously requires alot of farming. While the game has only been out a few months. We know enough to know that debuffs are the way to go. Poison is good and used to kill things quicker or distract the ai a bit. Your way is viable too but again requires a lot of farming to well not play the game and just brute force it.
@@2265Hello This game has only been out for a few months. So yes, I have as much or more experience than him on THIS game. Second, he has been wrong or inaccurate on several occasions, that I had to correct him on. If MAXED level unit needs poison, you are doing something wrong. Half of my units can almost always 1 shot even level 70 units. The other half are there to support the damage dealers. But anyone can certainly play with weak or crap units if they so choose.
@@2265Hello He wasn't even able to do some very simple testing before we knew how the damage calculations worked.