WTF happens in The March of The Black Queen ? | The Ogre Battle Saga | STORY EXPLAINED
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- Hello everyone, in this video I will tell the full story of the game Ogre Battle The March of the Black Queen from de SNES/PSX.
0:00 Ogre Battle The March of the Black Queen Comercial
1:32 The Ogre Battle
7:11 The Unification
10:40 The Great War
22:17 The March of the Black Queen
48:37 Epilogue
The Ogre Battle saga is extremely dense and confusing for those who don't have a basic background, and even those who finish the game end up with some doubts.
So this video is for you who want to understand the full story, the main plot, the characters, in a simple and extremely didactic way.
Hope you like the video! If you like this saga like me, I invite you to subscribe to the channel, I make videos dedicated only to this saga that I bet you will like it too.
#blackqueen #ogrebattle #story - Hry
If you're also a fan of Ogre Battle, what's your favorite game in the saga?
Leave a comment below!
Definitely the LUCT (PSP), the PS1 is ok too. Ogre Battle MotBQ (SNES), Tactics Ogre: KoL (GBA), and the Ogre Battle 64: Person of Lordly Caliber are all really good. Remakes are all welcome.
I love the 3 I have played: LUCT, MotBQ and KoL. Damn if SE remakes them ❤
Gotte play the others I haven't(N64).
@@rune9055 They all deserve the same care that the LUCT remake had
@@WarrenReport truly indeed. SE better resurrect the great IPs they own instead of losing time and money with Avenger games as microtransaction platforms 🤣
It would be wonderful if they could even join some of them into their own universe, like ActRaiser being part of the Angel vs Demon Ogre Battle wars the lore was based on.
I love Act Raiser, specially 2. Dark Fantasy decades ahead of Demon Souls.
I've always been a big fan of Ogre Battle 64. Gave me a formative love for angry/sad fantasy politics
Whoa, that original ad rules
Yeah...let's say it's not exactly the original there, I decided to change the soundtrack to something more contextualized hehehe
@@WarrenReport True, but man, we got nothing over here.
@@CoffeePotato indeed
As someone who's always been a fan of FF:Tactics and is just now getting into the Tactics Ogre thanks for making these videos so I know more of the world and lore.
If you like FFT you will love ogre battle, after all, the inspiration of FFT is ogre battle. Welcome aboard!
Same here thank you!
Thank for doing ogre battle lore! You are the first person on CZcams to actually dig into this awesome world
Thank you my friend! I just do the basics, there are many other people with more knowledge like my friend Coffee Potato around here, thanks for the comment!
Coffee potato is good and so is casp'osaurus. But your in depth lore is what I'm after.
This is awesome, thanks so much for making it. Just realizing through this that the Ogres are the proto lucavi and espers from later matsumoto Final Fantasies.
Very well noted, you may be right!
This video was nothing short of necessary and perfect. So many details I either missed or didn't remember from my playthrough as a teenager.
You also did such a terrific job with the presentation, much better than the devs in fact, alas, you could've done a good job as the writing/narrative architect of the game.
Thank you for the video!
Thank you friend! Your words are very kind! The Ogre Battle saga is my favorite and has been with me since childhood, it's great to see that there are more fans around the world!
I've only ever heard Ogre Battle referred to in passing. It was interesting to hear it explained.
Unbelievable how the event that gives the franchise its name is so little detailed in the games. I hope that someday they make a game focused only on this conflict, it's about time.
I loved this game! I don't think I understood all of the plot points when I was a kid though. Thank you for the simplified story recap. 💖
Glad I could help!
OMG! I finished this game probably 15-20 times and never completely understood the story. Thank you for finally making sense of the game I played the most in my life. :D
I'm glad to help friend, you need to play OB64 now!
@@WarrenReport I tried. Actually got it for 5$ on the WiiU Store a few days before it closed. I wanted to like it but there's something about the graphics and gameplay of the N64, I just don't like any game on the system.
O the other hand, I tried the new game Unicorn Overlord and it's the closest game I've seen to MOTBQ. It is AMAZING!!!
3:29 ok, you got me there, that deserves a like
Hahaha gotcha!
I came across this game randomly as a kid. Didn't really get the story and just played through it blind. I eventually re-visited this game as a rom in high school. This video brought back a lot of awesome memories. This game had some great mechanics, hidden things and story. I was shocked and confused when Sirius turned my guys into werewolves haha. Thank you for this amazing breakdown!
Yeah, MOTBQ is a hidden gem! The other games are just as fantastic, it's worth watching their videos too
@@WarrenReport yes! Love your vids! I’ve been binging them last week! I haven’t played KoL or Lordly Caliber yet. They’re on my list one day. Your video covering Tristan’s side story made me realize that MOTB and Tristan’s story are similar to FE4 and FE5 haha.
@@Kosif14 yeah, its awesome isnt it?
@@WarrenReport HELL yeah! Im living it up right now. TO Reborn, Front Mission Remake and FE Engage coming!!!
One of the most confusing games I have ever played. Still very grateful for this video. Thanks!
Glad to help friend!
Fantastic video, I am happy to find fans who also have share a deep love for this saga.
Thats exactly why I created the channel! 🙌
I love this saga and have always thought it left out of alot of best series conversations. It's great to have these lore videos!
Another awesome video! Getting me stoked for LUCT remaster!
Also, I was listening while driving and the “Ogre Battle” song in the beginning made me thought I hit something and scared the hell out of me.
🧙🏼♂️ Sorry! It was supposed to hit, but not in that way!
Thank you for this extended Lore and History, it helped me fill the gaps.
Also the Prequel Legend of Ogre Battle Gaiden: Prince of Zenobia
after Orge Battle, I now see where it leads into the Tactics Orge series.
I only wished they remastered and continued the story until it was officially completed
If Reborn is very successful, I'm pretty sure they'll want to make a sequel to take advantage of the hype. Let's hope!
Wow! Great video I love ogre battle and thanks for spreading the love for this amazing series. Great edit video was very cool and entertaining
🧙🏼♂️ Thank you friend! Don't forget to watch the other videos of the saga, all the games have a fantastic story
What an awesome channel! Thanks for the videos!
Thanks my friend, im glad that you liked it!
I grew up playing this game....its a big part of who I am today. Named my son Ashe.
That's awesome! MOTBQ is a true milestone and there's nothing like it in the industry today... did you get to play Ogre Battle 64 as well?
Owned this game many times on both the SNES and Playstation, wish I had been able to hang on to a few copies.
It's a timeless classic!
Well done documentary. A good follow up would be a guide, story and analysis to the different endings.
Are you reading my mind? It's already being done my friend!
@@WarrenReport 👍🤣 By the way, I love so much the SNES art of Warren that was my inspiration for picking this Hermit card thumbnail. This one is from artist Luis Royo.
@@hermitcard4494 wonderful picture, congratulations!
Cool can you do the Galf ending next ?
@@anthonyhaas4610 Hi! I have a video explaining each ending and the differences between each one, I'll leave the link here for you czcams.com/video/ng7aX1YcEZg/video.html
Ah thanks for this. This brings me back. Good research as well!
Thanks, glad you liked it!
The video was pretty great. Even with how good the storytelling tends to be in this franchise, it can be hard to piece things together coherently. Good job!
Thanks buddy, I'm glad you like it!
Wow, there's a lot of details in here that I didn't know! Great video, thank you!
I'm glad you liked it! This saga deserves more attention
@@WarrenReport 100% agreed. Looking forward to your next video!
@@Jasonwfd thanks, i will do my best
My favourite video games saga, based on my favourite Queen album. Now do the march of the Black Queen !
yes sir! I'm going to do the video about it n...wait! this IS ALREADY the video of the march of the black queen
@@WarrenReport I was only singing, not requesting anything XD
@@romainc6457 🤦🏻 I'm stupid, sorry
I have to love that you had to use graphics from other OB/TO games because there werent even graphics for the actual story in Ogre Battle. That was the big problem I had when trying to do a sprite comic back in the day.
Exactly, we try to improvise with what we find along the way, I hope you didn't find it horrible hehehe 😁
A sprite comic? This looks amazing, I think you should do it. The more original ogre battle content out there, the better.
@@WarrenReport Thanks. As long as I live there's a possibility I might pick it back up. I'm almost certain to reboot it, though, instead of continuing.
First and foremost, this had to be a nightmare to put together. While all of the games of the series have branching paths, putting together a unified timeline is hard, especially with the storyline-favorable order at odds with the intended level order (like the doing Kalbian peninsula after Shangril, even though the latter has a lot stronger enemies).
I think it's funny you gave Usar and Sirius more backstories than the game did, since I don't think they ever said what Usar was doing in Sharom/Charlom region other than to be the mook of the week, and Sirius was basically the mystery of Wolf Lake (all we know is the Empire put him in charge there, although I also headcanon the infected warrior shipped off to a corner to slake his bloodlust). Going after Deneb before Kapella is an inspired choice, and I love how the franchise's timeline states she survives when not only is she not in the World ending, but it's very hard to get her and a World ending because you have to lower your reputation and all the other characters need a high reputation.
I have a few other observations:
-You're using the new names. No "Gilbert" or "Rodisti" or "Warren Moon."
-Neat how you repurposed that Fellana sprite for Innocent Endora.
-You didn't even show Ares, the blond Ravenman merc who was after Rauny. No big loss as he's a very generic and forgettable character, but I was surprised not to even see his picture.
-You skipped over Lyon, but again, he's a non-factor.
-You skipped over greedy Monk Randals, and while he wasn't important, his stage was funny in how everyone complained how he demanded taxes.
-Skipping the Alpha Twins....I mean Gemini Twins...is a little bigger. Technically they aren't storyline important, but Fort Allamoot is because as the map shows, it's a chokepoint and you HAVE to beat that stage to proceed with the game. Having to face the Gemini Twins would seriously delay an army marching west and north, especially since rescuing Tristan's mother, as you mentioned, would be a storyline important plot point.
-That said, amazing how you fit Dragon's Haven into the story when it can't be accessed in the normal game.
I'm not hating on you. This video is great and I am aware some things have to be glossed over to create a coherent narrative. I just love this game, warts and all, to the point where I made fan sequels in my head.
@@nangbaby Wow, I didn't know I was talking to a super expert in this game! Fantastic!
-There isn't exactly a correct path since the game allows you to choose the stages, so I made the order thinking both about accessing all the stages and making sense of following the facts. I had to make some creative excuses to justify some points but like you said, we create the story in our head and follow it.
If memory serves, *Usar* speaks of Xenobia's soldiers when we confront him. Sirius is commented on by the citizens when we are releasing the cities in his stage. I decided to show the two in more detail because they are the first official enemies of the game and also because they play an important role in showing how Eldora had evil attitudes.
-Deneb couldn't be left out, we love the little witch here.
-I'm using the new names because that's what the producers said most recently with the psp remake. The inspiration for the names was in the Byzantine empire, so to adapt how the pronunciation would be they changed many names like Zenobia to Xenobia, makes my work easier for the next videos (mainly LUCT).
-this game has very few character portraits to tell the story I wanted, so I left the best ones for key characters in the story and the secondary ones just a mention, as was the case with Ares. Lyon is secondary in this game, so he became Dalkas in 8:20, the same as Randals who became Roshian in 8:15. The twins I thought a lot about including them because of the importance of the setting as you pointed out but as there were already a lot of people there I left them out. But I haven't forgotten them, they became the rulers of Ofays and Horai in 10:04.
-Dragon's Haven needed to be mentioned because of Albaleo, as this is where he will get his draconic spells that are unique to him in the next game. Very important plot here.
Your love for this game is inspiring, I didn't know there was someone so detailed and with so much knowledge about it. I'm sure the stories you create about them will be amazing, when you do let me know so I can read them and share them here!
@@WarrenReport Thank you. I'd like to be clear, I'm a know-it-all, not an expert. I'm just part of the really old fandom, like that of Brian Sulpher, Eric Wackerfuss, Black Mantle, a community of people who are legitimate experts. I forget things all the time (especially precise recruitment guidelines), and I'm much more familiar with the SNES version than the PSX version. the latter which had those nice expanded intro texts for each of the stages and did provide additional plot details the towns in the stages did not.
Google won't let me link to my dead work, which is probably for the best, as it is precisely non-canon for the basic reason that I assumed a female Opinion Leader than a male one, meaning that when Ogre Battle 64 was released, everything was jossed. Then again, since my fanfic centered on a group of generic soldiers in the army, it was Lower Decks the series before the series (although I WAS inspired by the original TNG "Lower Decks" episode...yeah, I'm old).
But you're supposed to yell at me and tell me how awful, ridiculous, and annoying I am!
@@nangbaby that's not going to happen buddy, you're awesome!
Wow. Well done! Loved this!
Thanks, I'm glad you liked it!
Pretty good video, it refreshed my memory back from 2001 and what a trip it was, looking foward to OB64 sometime in the future, cheers!
Its person of lordly caliber
Glad you liked it! 64 is already on the list for the next lore video
@@rockk9753 exactly!
Yo, must have played this game, tactics and the 64 game for years. Great summary of the story.
Great video!
Thanks friend!
Love these! Can't wait to see what you make for Let Us Cling Together!
Me too! Hahaha 😁
Tactics Ogre Reborn is being released in November
@@the_beast_among_sheep yes!!
@@the_beast_among_sheep yup, the only question is: which system do you plan to play it on
THANKS FOR THE HARD WORK BRO I HOPE YOU GET ALL THE LOVE YOU deserve
I hope so too
Thx for these summaries
Thank you! I'm glad you liked it
Damn, dude. Great work!
I hope you get a chance to do the other 3 games in the series:
• Let Us Cling Together;
• Person of Lordly Caliber;
• Prince of Zenobia.
Yeah! PoZ is next.
Finally some ogre battle lore video
Yes!!! 🙌
Thank You Warren Report, this Vídeo is Fantastic!
Thanks my friend, I'm glad you liked it! 🙌
Another great presentation.
Thanks!
I love the ogre battle saga
Me too! I try to make the videos for true fans of the franchise to enjoy
Ah man great video! Great content. But im disappointed its not LUCT. I have to wait longer :(
I was doing LUCT but a lot of information doesn't make sense if you don't have the background that previous games provide. The history of Xenobia's reign is vital because it is from it (the theft of the divine sword by Lodis) that the plot almost all revolves in that game.
Let's go in chronological order of the facts, it will be better to recap first, trust me!
how amazing once again you surprised me with a depth and knowledge I was able to enjoy this amazing story much more @,@
I'm glad you liked it! There's a lot more to come (Gaiden is next)
Thank you Warren! I thought you were stuck in the chaos gate.
I am. We have chaos wifi here.
@@WarrenReport LOL. Thank you for your videos :)
Easily my fav episode of the saga! ❤
I like it as much as LUCT. Both fantastic!
that was awsome
i would just ask you to make up a way for the names please because its realy hard to keep up along the story
if you do that it would be way more easier to follow along and understand the story easier
and thank you
I even considered the idea of leaving the names fixed in the portraits but as there are many characters at the same time the map would be even more polluted than it already was, and actually making understanding more difficult, not less. Gradually we get to know them one by one and it gets easier, trust me!
The video maker did his best. If you really want to follow the Ogre Battle story, the best way is to play the game...the story is extremely text heavy and episodic/procedural which is why it doesn't translate all that well to a video. Every stage is like an hour long episode of Hercules or Xena...
...or maybe I should do a stage by stage story breakdown/analysis video...but that means people have to hear my awful voice...never mind that.
great video!
Thanks friend, glad you liked it!
Never heard of these games
But I guess I have something new and interesting to listen to!
Welcome aboard friend!
These are awesome videos
Thanks friend! I´m glad you liked it!
Fuckin aye! I discovered this game when I was about 12 years old. Played on & off until my early 20's. Nice!
Thanks!
awesome vid
Thanks friend!
Love your videos. Please do one about Tactics Ogre: Let Us Cling Together.
Thanks, I'm glad you liked it! I'm going to make the LUCT video, the best in the franchise!
Queen II is a great album from start to finish. Highly recommended to anyone who loves great melodies.
Indeed
So all of this could have been avoided if the 4 kingdoms believed in the Queen? Big sad.
Actually...yes!
Great video
Thanks! Im glad you liked! 🙌
Loved the game and played the hell out of it on snes, but I was wondering if there was actually lore for the FIRESEAL stage, and sure enough.. Kudos.
This scenario could be canon if Destin was the main character, being a rematch against the mage. As Leksar is the character of the mission, it looks more like an easter egg.
I love this
Thanks, I'm glad you liked it!
I've never actually beaten this game. I usually flake shortly after the first Deva fight...If I remember, I think its Debonair
This game can get really hard at times, especially if you're going for the best ending.
Zenobia's clearly the intended point where the game gets harder in a bit of storyline and gameplay synchronization.
Prior to this, you were putting out local fires in your advance towards Zenobia, and the natures of the bosses, the armies, and the stages all combine to give you a Saturday morning anime vibe, albeit with more bloodshed. I mean when your enemy is a one-dimensional necromancer and you're not only given white magic weapons which OHKO the dead, but your first upgradable female class can one-shot a GROUP of them, it's clear you're The Good Guys. It's also to get you used to the mechanics of the game. Although there are choices you can make along the way, it's pretty obvious you shouldn't trust the shady guy who wants you to meet the "boss" at night. And the game pushes you towards punishing the enemy by making units with Wizards on the front line.
Then comes Aster Protoflorian...I mean Kaus Debonair and the Zenobia stage itself, which is not only big and has secrets, but is kind of tough to advance. It's basically the point where the game is not only asking if you've paid attention, but testing you to see if you can play it, because from here on out, the stages are going to be big, the enemies tougher, and story not about being some shonen-anime style army leader beating evil monsters, but about people fighting people. There are still plenty of evil monsters to fight, of course, and unlike later entries of the Ogre franchise the moral choices are still on the easy side (if a demon asks you to give him a holy sword in exchange for his freedom, the correct answer is no unless you WANT to be evil). That said, the story evolves as the game gets harder, just like a well-made game should.
It's tough to pick a favorite Ogre Battle.
Tactics or March of the black queen probably
Yeah, but OB64 is amazing too! 🙌
@@WarrenReport it really is, but I never got to complete it lol
This video is amazing! It's really helping me get into reborn.
Did you use an AI voice to record it all?
Thanks friend! And yes!
Such amazing storytelling. Rivals final fantasy.
Totally! It's a shame it's not such a well-known saga
I never complety played this game, so Saradin master was no other than Rashidi? Interesting, I remember a dialogue between Magnus and Saradin about the infernal aura, in which Saradin tallks about his master. From all the warriors from Zenobia, Saradin was always my favorite in Ogre Battle 64.
Yeah, Saradin was Rashidi's disciple. Among others, there was a character named Albaleo, who after this game fled to the Valerian Isles, and hides under the name of Robert Rudlum in Tactics Ogre Reborn/LUCT
Nice
Thanks! 🙌
10:52 The map looks like a dragon to me. Red + Pink r wings and blue is the head blowing fire.
Really looks like it! 🐲
hopefully they do a remake of this game too
Lets hope!
My favourite show is back 😀
Yes! I also like Rick and Morty!
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I loved the video, if I may offer constructive criticism below.
Your editing is getting a lot better, with some pretty gnarly visual effects, but the edited cuts really slice into your dialogue and it sounds unnatural. Speaking of sounds, your voice is relaxing and concise, but you sound bored as hell. It sounds like you lose enthusiasm pretty quickly. And it showed a little, too; the color coded territories, while one of my favorite touches in this video, died out almost as soon as you did it.
I hope you’re doing ok and this channel isn’t draining you too much.
Thanks for the comment!
I've never edited videos before so I'm learning as I go, someday it will be perfect.
I will try to improve the points you said, thank you very much!
@@WarrenReport These are just my opinion, you’re not obligated to agree with them. But I really appreciate you listening!
@46:54 This question was all I could think about the first 40 minutes of this video.
According to Rashidi, there is much more than just normal power, things that only the abyss would be able to provide, such as becoming an immortal god.
@@WarrenReport I see! Thank you for your prompt answer!
@@skinnermclane4467 🧙🏼♂️thanks!
Awesome stuff! Just found out about your channel yesterday, already watched the KoL lore one and now I'm subscribed. 😁
Suggestion/constructive criticism: there's a lot of mistakes in your script when it comes to male/female pronouns. Might be a good idea to have someone proofread the next one to catch that kind of stuff. 😉
Thanks for the comment! I'm not a native English speaker, just a big fan of Ogre Battle, so I'll take your advice, thanks!!
I suspected as much. Though I have to say, your pronunciation is actually very good and easy to understand! 😁
Yep good I like all tactics even if they made a remake of this I'll definitely get it for now i want to understand the story connection of
#Ogre Battle 64
#Tactics Ogre March of the Black Queen
#Tactics Ogre Knight Lodis
#Tactics Ogre Let us Cling Together
Cause I'm confused right naw
Hey friend! I have the video for yo! Look: czcams.com/video/LCoH9r4HdL0/video.html
Can I ask something? Or do you have a video why lans, canopus and warren was exiled. I cant remember it
Of course my friend!
This event is from the last game in the saga, LUCT. We haven't gotten to it yet on this channel.
But lets explain: they are the commanders of the 3 garrisons of Xenobia, so when the divine sword is stolen they are exiled as a disguise to search, retrieve the sword and take it back to Xenobia.
Hello.
Thank you for this video first of all.
Before watching it, I would like to ask if it spoils the upcoming Remake of Tactics Ogre Reborn in any way.
I want to go into Reborn as blind as possible, but I want to know all the facts from the original game (please don't point to me only the specific things that matter for the sequel because I like getting surprised by people showing up, events etc, if I know them from before I will just be expecting them the whole time).
Basically, in this video, will I be spoiled for the sequel in ANY way?
well... what I can tell you is that some of Reborn's important characters originate from this game, but the story is totally independent. This game takes place 4 years before Reborn, I don't think it interferes with the experience at all, in my opinion. But if you want to play totally blind, I think you should do it.
If you ask me The March of the Black Queen is more worthy of being remastered/remade than Let us cling together.
Both deserve it! They are iconic games
If humanity falls, this is what I'm passing down has historical fact.
I'm with you on this one, my friend
Final analytics. Sometimes humanity is not worth saving at all. 😷
There is always hope my friend, evil will always exist but good will always triumph over him!
Hmm... I wonder how much of this is retcon and how much is "fixes" to the flawed translation in MotBQ. I know some of the later games have butchered translations as well, especially with names, like wherever "Xytegenia" (instead of the original and correct Zeteginea) came from, so it can be difficult to figure out what's right.
Someone in the original game states that the Black Diamond was created when the other Wizards sealed Dulude's power inside a gem, so ironically, he didn't make it, they did.
It's funny to think that the Five Heroes weren't that fancy when they got started on reunification. Gran Zenobia was merely prince Roshian's aide, looks like he was just some random guy before they became heroes and he ended up ruling Zenobia.
The one thing I'm particularly curious about... in MotBQ, Endora does state that the reason she conquered the continent was to form an entity strong enough to face an invasion from Lodis. But I have never heard the bit about her asking the other four kingdoms for help against Lodis and the four kingdoms invading the Highlands instead. Where is that from? It changes the story completely. If it's true it means that the other leaders, like Gran, were evil (not to mention incredibly stupid) and absolutely deserved to be executed.
Hello friend, how are you? Thanks for the comment!
The name change happened in the remake for PSP to bring the pronunciation closer to the real intention of the developers. The inspiration is in the Byzantine Empire, and apparently the pronunciation should contain the hissing sound of "sh", so they switched Zenobia to Xenobia, for example, to achieve this.
According to my research sources, Duruda forged the black diamond to try to recover his powers that he had already sealed inside the other stones. He came into contact with the power of the abyss, so the diamond would be a relic capable of breaking the sealing of the chaos gates. He was eventually imprisoned within it by the other sages and legendary knights afterwards, before using the stone. As each zodiac stone represents a sign, the black diamond would be serpentarius and would mean betrayal.
In the period of the 5 heroes there were thousands of kingdoms, the 5 were those that managed to effectively unify the rest. How did they do it, diplomatically or by force? We need to wait for a game to tell this story.
Much of the backstory is told by NPCs and item descriptions. I don't think they were evil, ogre battle has always been about political warfare and domination...if any side shows weakness, it will be attacked. It is the reality of war, unfortunately.
@@WarrenReport Ah, that's a very interesting piece of information on the name changes... they simply realized they didn't do it like they initially intended. I guess you could see it as a fix rather than a retcon. I wonder about the other name changes, though... like changing Warren Moon to Warren Omon. Does Omon sound more Byzantine? Maybe they hired an expert and the expert made some strange suggestions.
Much more detailed explanation that I got in the game for Dulude, too. And I'm OK with the game being "wrong" on how it happened, since every bit of information you get is basically just someone in a town telling you their interpretation of an old story that they learned, it's virtually certain to not be accurate.
Given the nature of the game, and Ogre Battle games in general, it looks like the Five Heroes would have united the continent by force, which would have been much easier given that it was just a bunch of small warring kingdoms ready to be tipped over. Maybe it's why it only took them ten years to unite the whole continent. And that's OK too, sometimes people just won't stop fighting until you kill them.
It certainly looks like the world of Ogre Battle was always about warfare. It started with humans fighting monsters for thousands of years, then fighting themselves for who knows how long, and only from 70 years ago (unification) to 25 years ago (Highlands conquering the continent) was there any peace.
Still, that this behavior is "standard" for this world does not mean it's not evil. In this version, Gran Zenobia, always described as a good guy, would have said something like "She's afraid of being invaded, which probably means she's weak... if she's weak, she's not a threat to us in any way, but also it means we can easily take her stuff, all we have to do is start another war and throw some soldiers into the meat grinder and make a bunch more orphans, it's all good".
Definitely changes the way I think of the story. "There was once a good and smart queen named Endora, who foresaw an invasion by a powerful military force from outside the continent. She talked to the leaders of the four other kingdoms hoping to form an alliance that could withstand such an invasion. But they were stupid so they didn't believe her, and they were evil so they decided to exploit what they perceived as weakness to take her kingdom by force".
If there were a game made about that time 25 years before MotBQ, you'd be playing as the Highlands, the good underdog kingdom being invaded by its four neighboring greedy, bloodthirsty bullies.
Well, thanks for the information.
@@BigSlimyBlob Yeah, I believe one part is adaptation and another part is retcon. I particularly hate the retcon they did with Gilbert.
As there are only reports of what happened, it is not possible to judge someone as good or bad. I bet that Endora herself would also invade the neighbors if she had the opportunity, after all in this world no one becomes a ruler without that instinct. What is made very clear in the games is that King Tristan is benevolent, his father we don't know.
We can't also overlook that Rashidi was involved, maybe he could have something to do with it? Manipulating the Lords behind the scenes to invade Endora so he could offer help and corrupt her?
We need a game of this story!
Ok so after i did my challenge ru of tactics ogre i decided to go back to motbq but im too spoiled from moder game controls i couldnt do it so i ent back to the one i loved as a teen ogre battle 64. I love lore but have dyslexia so reading it all sucks pretty bad for me. Hense finding your amazing chanel. Anyway do you have any videos with maybe less details but encompassing the whole saga from lodis to 64 or tactics, whichever came last? If so i havent found it yet
Hello, welcome to the channel! I don't have a summary of the entire saga in one video, I have each game separately, I think it's better that way because each game has a lot of important details!
The chronological order of the game's story is as follows: Knight of Lodis - Prince of Zenobia - March of the Black Queen and right after Person of Lordly Caliber/Let us Cling Together (lawful route) because they happen simultaneously
@@WarrenReport awesome. Thank you. And I worries I've been watching your summaries of each game minus lodis which I still have to play first
@@TheGameReaper948 they are great with some popcorn in my opinion! Hehe
@@WarrenReport awe man I'm on a keto diet and can't do popcorn. I drink my coffee and listen while working ... Also I'm trying to think of a challenge run for 64 if you have any ideas let me know. I stream them but I'm not worried about tons a viewers I have a few I have a good time with. Turns out zerkers only is an easy mode for tactics hahaha but if you can think of anything fun for 64 I'll most certainly run it
Jumpscare warning at 3:29 (I'm only kind of kidding!)
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Gilbard and Iuria romantic relationship is no longer canon for he's like 35 years older than her.
Seriously? What material is this shown on? Because in Ogre Battle the life expectancy of humans and wingman is not confirmed as far as I remember...
@@WarrenReport Yeah, if anything, I thought she was probably older than him given how long the winged folk live, but I'm bad with timelines.
@@nangbaby What I have here is that they have a lifespan 3 times longer than humans and show signs of aging later on...so I believe there is no problem in their relationship. It's a shame they changed that.
@SKaede I just checked here and this information is true, they changed that fact in an interview back at the LUCT remake release. Thanks for the information!
@@WarrenReport I hate retcons, but thanks for checking.
Wait so Enix really made and ad of this game using Queen' song?
Actually? No 😁
Not gonna lie, when you mentioned that the canon ending was "The World" Ending, I misinterpreted it as you saying the canon ending was the world ending in game, which paints a much bleaker backstory for Person of Lordly Caliber.
If the world had ended, we wouldn't have the other games!!
2:57-3:02 is this the snap dragon ability from cursed weapons? Sorry might be a dumb question
You're right, the Snapdragon ability of the cursed weapons are the abilities that the 12 sages possessed in the original Ogre Battle.
@@WarrenReport so awesome
How the heck did you figure all this out?
Lots of gameplay, lots of research, picking up some loose ends here and there... I think that's it hahaha
Liberation!!!
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Do you have nintendo switch?
Woah, you can trace a lot of the FF XII's narrative DNA back to this game.
Yes! Ogre Battle, Final Fantasy Tactics, Vagrant Strory, and Final Fantasy 12 all take place in the same world, but in different parts.
@@WarrenReport I hope Reborn sales well enough, I would a new game written or/and directed by Matsuno, his stories are amazing.
After finishing Reborn I'm gonna jump onto this one and Person of the Lordly Caliber (although not a Matsuno game) to absorb more of this universe. Loved Knight of Lodis, a little light on the writting, imo.
Keep the great work!
@@Ishidori85 MOTBQ and POLC are VERY different from tactics, mainly in gameplay they are totally unique in the entire gaming industry. It's hard to understand and adapt at first, but persist, it's so worth it!
@@WarrenReport I'm not entirely unfamiliar with those two games, I played a little bit of MOTBQ via emulation, but back then it was an overwhelming experience, being more custom to regular jrpg or games like Shining Force I and II, but I think I'm in the right mindset for these games. POLC it happen to be one of my best friend favourite game, I watched him play for hours and hours.
Is it a theme in this saga for females to betray their own due to falling in love?
It seems to be a very common subject in the series yes, very well pointed out my friend
Is this whole video ai...?
Its xenobian magic
5:16 Fenril is a she :)
Yes, I noticed the error after finishing the video. I apologize!