Anne Applebaum interview. Is Putin's Russia similar to the Soviet Union?
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- Pulitzer-prize winning journalist, writer, and Russia researcher Anne Applebaum spoke with TV Rain's Ekaterina Kotrikadze about Alexei Navalny's legacy, the West's attitude towards Russia, and how long Putin's regime has left.
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The question is posed incorrectly. The correct question should be why Russia has not changed since the time of Ivan The Terrible?
Good point. They never lived as democracy, they always existed as empire, in different forms.
@@mingriskevicius8683 Aristotle pointed out that all democracies eventually end up as oligarchies with the trappings of democracy. As Russia never was a democracy, it never developed an elite capitalistic oligarchic business class; neither under the tsars or USSR. The West miscalculated and thought the sanctions would cause the Russian elites / oligarchs to oust Putin, but they don't have the influence like they do in the West. In Russia, the government acts independently of that class. The best description of Russian government over the past 400 years would be "chekist" from the Okhrana- Cheka -NKVD - KGB to the FSB.
@panglayman5576 absolutely agree with you.
Navalny isa hero ! I am from Asia and we here admire him!
Is a traitor
russia hasn't changed in 400 years ... how will it change now :)))
The control freaks west has no clue on that
Actually it HAS changed, several times. The 1917 revolution was a big change. Then and in the following years, millions of people who could have been part of a democratic Russia were murdered or fled the country. The destruction of the Russian Church in the 1920s was another big change. What could have been a force for good if ruzzia had developed democratically was neutered and coopted, as the Bolsheviks murdered over a thousand priests and demolished priceless art in their atheistic fury.
Collectivization was a big change, as millions of people starved as the direct result of the inherent flaws of communism. It reached its apex in 1932/3, as Stalin and his ruzzian thugs murdered upwards of seven million Ukrainians and Kazakhs in the Holodomor by state-enforced starvation. Barbarossa was another big change, as the struggle against Nazi Germany wiped out another 20 million Ukrainians, Belarusans, Russians and others, imbuing the survivors with an intense sense of paranoia and insecurity.
The collapse of the USSR in 1991 was another major change, as it ushered in an era of freedom and honest reflection, but also of chaos as criminal elements took advantage of the diminution of authority.
@@saffron1977 As I was listening to this interview, a saying from my CEE country immediatly popped up in my mind: "The real thief is shouting: catch the thief!". I agree the westerners/atlantists have no clue at all. Their concept of life is ruining themselves.
Anne is a master of her subject.
If there were any illusions about Putinism they were dispelled in the west and maybe some segments of Russia with Navalny's death. Russians should think about how they could have removed Stalin to think about how to remove Putin. Totalitarianism probably has been written about enough for Russians to get good ideas for this through books. Do Russians have the will for change?
Navalny died from a blood clot. It was probably the vax!
Great interview!
Thank you for this interessting interview! Putin and his bunch of warmongerors and crimilas have to be stopped and not only save Ukraine but also free the Russian people. Support Ukraine and democracy!
More bullshxt for the brainwashed
Excellent interview with Anne Applebaum. Thank you!
Informative! This interview provides strong answers to difficult questions 👍
🇦🇺💙💛✌ 🇺🇦 Ukraine matters, Putin must be stopped.
@@FACILITY32 Muscovy colonized Kalmykia, Chechnya, Yakutia, Tuva, Donbass, Crimea, Ingushetia, Karelia, Hainshenwai (Vladivostok), Bashokorostan and so many others. Russian form of colonialism is most cruel and inhumane. Muscovite colonialism must be stopped.
Слава Украине 🌍❤️🇺🇦
@@FACILITY32 you are typical Russian serf, uses western CZcams channel, gets involved in English language conversation, and tells other people what to do.
You putler’s serfs have it ingrained in your drunken heads to listen to your masters and tell others what to do.
You кацапы have mentality of medieval serfs.
@@FACILITY32 there is a concept in the West. It is called: FREEDOM OF SPEECH.
You should reasearch it one day
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@@FACILITY32 запад никогда не хочет свободы? - is this why 25 million Russian live in North America, Western Europe, Australia, and other free countries? You know those Russian would never go back to repressive putlerism.
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russia trained future Nazi generals in Kama Tank School (1929 - 1933) in violation of Treaty of Versailles.
Russia signed Ribbentrop Molotov pact with Nazis in Moscow in August 1939 to cement Nazi - Russian friendship.
Russia and the Nazis had a friendly joint military parade Sept 22nd 1939 in Brest-Litovsk under Nazi banners.
Russia and Nazis signed German-Russian Commercial Agreement on Feb 11th, 1941. This is how Russia fueled Nazis death camps and Nazi destruction of Europe with Russian oil, coal, wheat, manganese and other raw material. Russia gave all these raw materials for free to their Nazi friends until the morning of June 22nd, 1941.
Current Kremlin dictators passes laws that are identical to Nazi German laws of 1930’s.
Those facts indicate which country loves and always loved fascism.
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Brilliant answers to difficult questions!
'You need something to happen to Putin' mmm!
Great historian and her contributions to the knowledge of communism in Eastern Europe are very valuable.
You had one of the best people to interview and you wasted it.
She is married to Poland's FM.
@@Blanka1100 Imagine how much any of us might learn by joining their dinner table.
There are at least two smart women who's understanding of Russia is correct - Anne Applebaum and Fiona Hill. Compared to Mutti Merkel both are geniuses.
For however long people are ruled by fear it cannot last forever
The west can fool rest once but not forever
@@saffron1977 It isn't "the West" that is fooling anyone. It's the nonstop flood of lies from Kremlin trolls like you. Sadly, some naif people in the West are duped by your fictional lines.
The North Korean leadership is doing its best to prove you wrong, sadly.
Sad about navalny, still hard to watch. As far for shorty, putin has to go!!!
Navalnyi comes back from the dead, putin is afraid of Navalnyis legacy ❤
When the power in Russia realizes they are an isolated, pariah state, they will kill Putin.
In your dreams
@@saffron1977 we will see. Yusupoff killed Rasputin that triggered the downfall of the Tzar
@JO: it’s not going to happen. They are too stupid to realize that.
#Jo-mg6xc you mean like people in ISRAEL ARE AFTER THE BLOOD OF NETANYAHU OR UK AFTER SUNAK OR FRENCH AFTER MACRON OR GERMANY AFTER SCHOLZ!
@@waterrat4285 They have the most popular president on the face of the planet. Unlike the THE USA, UK, FRANCE,GERMANY, AND ISRAEL.
I argue that Maxim Katz is a bigger influence now than Navalny.
If that's true, he will soon be arrested
@@0nFoot He lives in Israel, so I don’t think he’ll be arrested, maybe tried in absentia but he’s not returning to Russia till Putler is gone. Hopefully soon!
But it's totally unrealistic
Election is this month and it goes all the way to 2030.
Plus Maxim Katz is not important alone for the reason that he is Jewish and spend big part of his life outside Russia
@@tabithan2978But doesn't Katz say he doesn't want to be a politician? It might have been a video from last year...
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She makes more sense than our politicians....
That is exactly where you need to think another three times...
The naked truth is that the FSB, which was used to be the 2nd Chief Directorate of the KGB before the fall of the USSR, is even stronger nowadays and more capable, and effective than ever before in his mission of safeguarding the security and stability of the Russian state. It does it with ruthless efficiency, and there is nothing that the West can do about it without risking a fully fledged nuclear war.
Does the Russian state serve the Russian civilians?
@@dwebNo. The civilians serve the Russian state. It's an autocratic, kleptocratic Nazistic state. The people are slaves, not Slavs. And they all stick their heads in the sand in the hope not to be targeted instead of being the force that they could be.
The combination of a failed war abroad and a brittle, strained system at home is increasing the likelihood of some sort of implosion inside Russia.
The Siloviki will turn on Putin, their kids and grandkids live in Russia too.
Truth and rushya cannot coexist in the same sentence - that's the naked "TRUTH" - and the only person risking nuclear bullsht is the psychopath- who knows using any nuclear weapon immediately removes any and all potential RISK. The risk is in the threat. He cannot risk doing because then the RISK is removed and what will he be left with- nada, an empty gas station
It is worst
It’s gonna be a while because of his mini me
You have to wait for the last few minutes before the click bate question is asked. Even then it’s not really answered.
Anne Applebaum is a world treasure
@frankshifreen not so much as PUTIN ACROSS THE WORLD ACORDING TO THE POPLUATIONS OF NATIONS FOR WORLD PEACE.
She is married to Radek Sikorski, Poland's FM. They are both great an always spot on.
New king of england king Putin
Get rid of him as soon as possible, and all is little puppets
Yes saaaar , will lift your legs if you feel like fart
7:42 Ironically, I would say that the insistence upon pretending that a KGB agent like Putin would have no affinity for the Soviet Union or its methods and would instead develop a "fascist" regime is actually helpful to the Russians. So long as the West maintains this silly, ahistorical belief based on pop history (as opposed to real history, in all of its complexity) that the practice of invading neighboring countries for purposes of territorial expansion or exterminating other ethnic groups or cultures is unique to fascism, the Russian people will never have to go through a process of reckoning with their bloody, totalitarian past, a past that is reemeeging in the present because they still believe the USSR was a force for good in the world. Your belief that invading countries is a break from normal Russian political doctrine and proof of the adoption of an ideology which emerged from early 20th century Italy is demonstrably mistaken. The Soviet Union was invading countries to incorporate them into its rapidly-expanding empire before Mussolini even rose to power, let alone Hitler. The Soviet Union started launching imperialist wars of territorial expansion almost as soon as it was created. Hell, the Russians invading Ukraine happened previously, just over a century ago, and yet the average commentator on the Ukraine-Russia conflict apparently doesn't know that, instead choosing World War II as the conflict to draw allusions to, when really this war has very little in common with WWII. People that say Putin is a "fascist" are, nine times out of ten, not really intending to say that Putin espouses the specific political ideology of fascism, because 99% of people don't know what that is, they just use "fascist" as a synonym for "evil authoritarianism", it's not like they have any specific ideas about what fascism entails other than "oppression" and "war" and "racism" and other moralizing statements like that, sort of like if you define "communism" as "forcing everyone to be the same" or whatever. Nothing about Putin's style of governance actually indicates a tendency towards Third Positionist policies. And actually, I would say that Putin is very much following in the footsteps of previous Soviet premieres. People need to stop taking the guy at face value and realize that he is a trickster, a sly and deceitful spy by nature, he doesn't have a center in him, he doesn't have convictions, he justs holds onto power by any means necessary. The Soviet leadership was always like that: none of them were idiotic true believers. True believers in the silly pie in the sky dream of luxury space communism are what Lenin called "useful idiots", mostly middle class urbanites and suburbanites that get liquidated once they outlive their usefulness after the culture war period leading up to the violent Bolshevik takeover. The actual Soviet leadership was made up of pragmatists that knew Marx wasn't an economist, he was a NEET that had no clue how economics works, so they knew that it was a ridiculous concept that was just there to act as the carrot on the end of a stick to keep the workhorses of the empire pulling their weight. The Soviet leadership not only didn't redistribute the wealth and "means of production" to the working class, they starved millions of peasants, murdered or imprisoned millions more in gulags, while the elite Party members lived in lavish luxury in their technically state-owned dachas, seized from the previous Russian ruling class that was chased out or killed. So, in a way, the highest echelon of Soviet leadership wasn't made up of actual communists, it was made up of sociopaths who understood the game being played. Putin is just such a sociopath. The state security services of the USSR acted as a government within a government, a semi-autonomous secretive order that had immense power over the Soviet people, and when the USSR fell, the KGB wasn't dismantled, it was merely renamed the FSB. Allowing a KGB agent to become their president so soon after getting their freedom from the oppressive Soviet regime was insane, but the bulk of Russians saw nothing wrong with it because, like I said, they had never had to face the darkness of their Soviet past, as the Soviet media and academia blocked most study of these topics, so the average Russian only thinks about Stalin through the lens of winning WWII. So long as the West keeps up this pattern of acting as though the USSR was somehow not as bad as the Third Reich, Russians will continue having this imperialist streak. They need to understand that the Soviet Union isn't something to be proud of, it was a terrifying empire of darkness that openly espoused a doctrine of world domination. To call Putin "fascist" rather than calling him a neo-Soviet like he objectively is lets Russia off the hook for all of the bloodshed in their not-too-distant past. And honestly, it is actually minimizing the scale of Putin's wickedness. He has pretty much single-handedly restarted the Cold War, putting the world in danger of a nuclear exchange or WWIII, and he's trying to take over Ukraine and commit cultural genocide against the Ukrainian people. I'd say whatever bad stuff fascist Italy did pales in comparison to that, let alone in comparison to commiting democide against roughly seventy-some-odd million people like Mao did or some forty-five million or so Soviet citizens that were purposely starved in the Holodomors or starved thanks to the idiotic science-denying policies of Lysenkoism (which were based on the Marxist reasoning that genetics is "fascist pseudoscience")or murdered by Chekists, not to mention the third of the Cambodian populace killed by the Khmer Rouge. Anyone that thinks Marxism hasn't been as harmful as fascism hasn't studied history enough. Stop letting Russia off the hook for their home-grown imperialism by pretending that invading neighboring countries in a land grab is a bad habit Putin learned from Germany. The Soviet Union was doing that shit while Hitler was still just a homeless Great War veteran having trouble with the law. The Bolsheviks even invaded Poland before Hitler, fighting a war around 1918-1920, they just weren't successful and Poland managed to reassert their independence. I see no indication that Putin, the KGB agent, has any kind of fond feelings for fascism, and policies like cracking down on dissent are hardly uniquely fascist. It's kind of like if you called Putin a "monarchist" simply because he is an autocrat, and absolutist monarchy is an autocratic form of government. And to anyone that believes Putin is expressing his genuine, heartfelt beliefs when he talks about opposing the "Satanism" of the West and standing up for Christian values, I ask you: do you really think the KGB hired Christians? I can tell you for sure it didn't, it was a policy that all agents be atheist so as to make sure they wouldn't have divided loyalties or any qualms about murdering priests or whatever. Alternatively, do you really think Putin just so happened to conveniently have a conversion experience right when the militantly atheist USSR fell and Putin began his career in politics in the new Russian Federation, which was experiencing a religious revival at the time? When I look at Putin I don't see a man of passion, I don't see him as the type of person that would focus on ideals or a belief in a higher power or having to answer for their deeds in the afterlife, I see him as a dispassionate ice man, a state-sanctioned murderer with no conscience, with ice water flowing in his veins. Putin just says whatever he thinks will go over well with the audience. Pragmatic sociopathic elites like Putin aren't particularly concerned with being right wing or left wing, they just say and do what they feel will help them consolidate and keep a grip on power.
Hello.
Thank you for this excellent, enlightened post.
Are you a historian?
Have you posted other articles on this subject?
If so, can you please reply with links to your posts?
Thank you.
Putin's Russia is not fascist simply because he invades his neighbors or because he is authoritarian. Like you said, far-left, communist and other regimes can also be totalitarian and imperialist. Putin's Russia is fascist, because it is almost a textbook example of it, if you take any modern day definition of fascism you'll see that it is almost perfect fit. Authoritarianism, imperialism and militarism, which were also present in USSR, are part of it, but there is also cult of tradition, machismo, contempt for the weak, which are typical for fascism.
I highly recommend you look up Umberto Eco's "14 Common Features of Fascism" and compare them against modern day Russia. You'll see that it is a perfect match.
well said
Pragmatic sociopathic kleptocratic elitist. But other than that I totally agree with your analysis. All those yachts earned him the kleptocratic moniker!
She seemed particularly impressed with the ex-KGB agent’s diplomatic chops: “Stop Blaming Putin and Start Helping Him,” she wrote in a 2004 op-ed, on the heels of a meeting Putin held with a Western delegation to discuss countering Chechen terrorists.
there is no great opportunity for the Obama administration in Russia.
Hill never criticized Trump so overtly, and Bolton, who succeeded McMaster as national security adviser in March 2018 and was ousted earlier this month, resisted pressure from the more hard-line, loyalist factions of the White House to fire her when he was appointed.
According to people familiar with their relationship, the two British Russia hands are not exactly friends. But they have known each other for years, beginning when Hill was working on Russia at the National Intelligence Council and Steele was on MI6’s Russia desk.
Hill told McMaster “as soon as she was hired” that she knew Steele and had worked with him in the past, according to a former NSC official
she sought Strobe Talbott’s advice
Is your comment about Ms. Applebaum or about Fiona Hill? You say that "she" wrote something favorable about Putin in 2004. That was back when few people realized that Putin himself had orchestrated the Moscow apartment bombings that he blamed on "Chechen terrorists" in order to pose as Russia's savior. But then you talk about the "Obama Administration," which didn't start until 2009. And then the rest of your comment is clearly about "Hill," not Ms. Applebaum.
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Навальный был криком «восхода солнца» в самую темную из зимних ночей, напоминанием о том, что угнетение не может длиться вечно, и наступит час, когда коррупция будет видна и исчезнет при дневном свете. Смерть этого храброго человека также лишает фасад демократии, показывая, что под ней находится олигархия, которая пытается подавить оппозицию посредством тюремного заключения, отравления и убийств. Такая националистическая олигархия является определением фашизма.
The number of Russians that came out to Navalny’s funeral is statistically insignificant to change anything Putin is doing.
United russian people stronger than putin
still, courageous people, showing an example and who should be lauded
The Bolsheviks started out with merely 80 people. "Statistically insignificant," to be sure.
Russia is always the same and always will be, get used to it.
Probably the same animal. Different camouflage. Monarchy over there, 'socialist', the present version, all the same, an autocracy, duping us lay bunnies in each case.
Putin better v mad dog joey bidant
"Vladimir Putin inherited a ransacked and bewildered country, with a poor and demoralized people. And he started to do what was possible - a slow and gradual restoration. These efforts were not noticed, nor appreciated, immediately. In any case, one is hard pressed to find examples in history when steps by one country to restore its strength were met favorably by other governments".
Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
So this genius, Putin, why did he suddenly turn into a mass murderer?
Now, did he actually do so much? Wasn't it more the stream of money comming from selling oil and gas to Europe? I was in Russia in all those years - western companies rushed in and brought prosperity.
Putin will be around as long as he can breathe and when he's unable to walk he would control a puppet president till the end:)
Anne Applebaum will eventually become the First Lady of Poland.
🤣💣What other nonsense will you come up with with this Anne Applebaum? And what will she marry, this clown "bidet", or maybe some other calcified rhinoceros?
Это враг нашего государства!
you mean enemy of a B-grade empire
@@meikala2114 What means word B-grade?
Anne Applebaum is Jewish. Could that have something to do with her hostility to Russia? I’m not saying it is, but there were many many pogroms in Russia during Tsardom.
Russia is a failing empire.
Delusions.
Longer than her husband as a foreign minister 😂
The rest will stand with Putin against the western axis of evil .
Horia Nuland is gone,Anne is next
They hate Russia with pasion.
I don't think Navalny's Russia wouldn't have changed much, he just said what was popular for the West, that's it.
Putin 2024🇷🇺✅
This sounds like a lot of hatred! Don't you have anything better to say??
you wouldnt say that if you were a hohol
Russia is running a holy war stinky applebum
ALEXEI WAS A M16 LOL
More bs yo no😅😅
Putin is living life not by here rules
So they steal his money
Rats ?!
GIVE PUTIN HIS CASH BACK
THEIFS
navalny was nacis . navalni wont kil ol maslem , imegrands . navalni was not opozisen to putin , maybe 5 procent ov vout . opozisen are komunist putin not kill navalni. rezim cenc ic pasbel bad never gonoby demokraci , komunist , generals in rusja u have 20 miljon people lak putin
Mind your own business west and stay in your country
That’s the pot calling the kettle black! It is Russia that needs to stay in its own country.
This is a coping channel.
lol REAL RUSSIAN DO NOT WANT YOUR WESTERN IDEOLOGY IN THEIR COUNTRY
russia is the west, because it is a B grade empire
Real Russians don't exist
Victory for Russian glory to Putin ,.
Mentality like yours is why Russia is a shithole , Putin the thief is robbing the country blind , I have faith that sensible people of Russia will wake up and rise against oppression
Don't be ignorant, defeating Russia means the end of the World. You talking so much bad about Russia. Is US the good guy?
Not perfect, but compared to Putler's ruzzia, the US is absolutely the "good guy."
Navalny did not play any important role.People, don't fall for the lies.
Liers !
What concern is it to Americans how long President Putin stays in power? Mind your own business since you have lots of problems here and get of the Russia phobia 🤮🤮🤮
Putin has tried to destabilize the west for years ,and now he is crying about Russias internal affairs, he is a hypocrite.
Thanks for your opinion Ivan
Russia can interfere in.other countries, but nobody should do anything against Russia, hypocrite clowns .
It's America's concern as long as Putin continues to interfere in US elections to return Donald Trump to the White House.
Because the world will be better without the Goblin Midget invading other countries. Duh.
Какие вы смешные.Может для вас он и был важен но для Российского народа точно нет.Его в России вообще или не знают или не воспринимают как какую то оппозицию
😂 everything you puppets say about Russia you ignore about the rest of the world.