BOSS RC-5 & MIDI - How To Use an External Midi Foot Pedal
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Midi on the Boss RC-5 can expand the functionality of this amazing pedal.
In this video I show you how to program the pedal up with an external midi foot controller.
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0:00 hello
0:12 Midi Control
1:03 Bear in Mind
1:18 Setup
1:59 CC#’s
2:44 Midi Menu
7:09 Change the Midi Control
9:15 Demo
11:32 Quick Demo Tip
12:47 My Recommendation
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13:50 Questions?
14:22 My take on Midi
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Ok I've figured out how to implement TRACK REVERSE with a Control Change message. FWIW here it goes:
The byte to be sent at the end of the CC message has to be chosen from one of the two ranges
range ON = 0x40...0xBE
range OFF = 0x00...0x3F
Sending an ON byte puts the RC-5 in the ON state where the track part (but not the rhythm part) will be played backwards.
Sending an OFF byte puts the RC-5 in the OFF state where the normal forward behaviour is restored.
These CC messages can be emitted at any time, including in the middle of a loop already playing, as demonstrated by JohnPaul at 12:00
Now I don't know why BOSS has chosen ranges instead of two discrete values. Possibly to accomodate for some MIDI control surfaces. Many of those have lots of pots and faders...
Note that values from the range 0xBF...0xFF should not be used in the CC message, simply because they have absolutely no effect on the current state.
From a programming standpoint, only two values are needed, e.g. valueON = 0x60 and valueOFF = 0x20 and all the rest is merely implementation detail. For example, putting aside the matter of switch debouncing which can be tackled with very easily by software, the behaviour on the MorningStar demonstrated here could be summarised like this: send a valueON whenever the switch is pressed, send a valueOFF whenever the switch is released.
THIS IS GOLD!!
GREAT WORK!!
@@JohnPaulMusicUK I'd be glad if this can help anybody. A quick follow up:
Every RC-5 owner knows the Reference Manual and the page where the commands bindable to a CC message are listed therein. The ranges for TRACK REVERSE have been determined programmatically. For sure, it's faster and less error-prone than a manual trial/error method. Nevertheless, this is still nothing but guesswork and it has to be done for the other forty-or-so commands!
To make things worse, there are less trivial cases than TRACK REVERSE. If you want to change the kit on the fly, yeah it's possible with a CC message, but the KIT command has seven ranges of values and BOSS tells nothing about these...
Some commands like MEMORY INC or TRK CLEAR, rather than value-triggered, are edge-triggered and require two or more CC messages. Again, BOSS doesn't explain this.
My point here is that people who consider acquiring a programmable device like the MC8, or ANY other midi control surface, should be aware that some guesswork will still be necessary because BOSS fails to explain completely how to use the CC commands. So much for a "Reference" manual :/
I've been searching the BOSS Knowledge Base high and low, and for the time being there's no document providing more complete information.
End of rant :D
@@31plemoine have you happened to come upon information on how to trigger 'overdub' using CC ? this is just blowing my head that it's not obvious
omg what a joy, i bought it and its on its way, wasent expecting that it has these amazing features. massive thanks hundreds of thumbs up
Glad you enjoyed it.
Here’s the playlist of everything I’ve done for the RC-5 and RC-500 so far. It’s a great device! 👍🏻
czcams.com/play/PLO36LpORUSaa2hQEKtoW-FyuhOBCwlfRs.html
@@JohnPaulMusicUK thanks 😊 really amazing work
I've got a Meloaudio Midi Commander on the way and this video really helped me to have an idea how to set the individual buttons.
Really glad this helped. 👍🏻
@@JohnPaulMusicUK One question though...could you assign CC80 Trk Play/Stop to one button and CC80 Rhy Play/Stop to another button? Or must you assign only one CC to each button?
Great work with looping! Absolutely cool music you did there! Awesome work! :)
Thanks 🙏
@@JohnPaulMusicUK You're welcome. :)
Hi JP, I'm a talent scout at Sessions and love what you're doing. Would love to get you in front of our global audience of music fans. Are you interested? Our team sent you an email for more details. Let me know if you got it.
Thanks John Paul
You are welcome Sonny 👍🏻
This is really informative. Thanks a bunch.
You are very welcome 👍🏻
@@JohnPaulMusicUK what other midi controller are compatible with rc5 please.
I would need atleast 4 foot switches or more the better. The morningstar controllers are bit expensive i guess, including the MC6.
The Morningstar’s are expensive but they are very versatile.
If you are looking for a cheaper option, have a look at something like the Harley Benton MP-100. Under £100
Thanks JP! This is great, so easy to understand when you explain it. Would love to see you use the MC8 with the headrush looperboard! Specifically whether it can send multiple CC or note messages from a single MC8 button (and whether the headrush can receive these simultaneously!) That would mean from the headrush CC list you could mix and match as you see fit. E.g one button on the MC8 could send the CC message for "Start track 1" and the CC message for "Start track 2" on one button on the MC8, if you didn't want to use the "All start/All stop button". Sorry for the long comment! 😂
Hey Owain.
So the MorningStar can send 16 messages per button press!!
And from our prior conversation an all start/all stop on the HeadRush and all clear is what I’m looking into.
Stay tuned.
@@JohnPaulMusicUK thanks JP! Look forward to it! The morningstar sounds so powerful. If the headrush can recieve simultaneous note/cc messages then we are set 😉
Many thanks! 👍
You are more than welcome 🙏
thank u sir. im buying this. u made me do it! hehehe. very informative and good demo sir. u r talented🎉
Awww. Thanks 🙏
Help me out by smashing that like button and you can grab it through the link in the description box. 👍🏻
Nice one JP I bought the rc500 now I need that Morningstar in my life !!!
They are pretty awesome.
Doing a full review of the Morningstar soon. Even the mc3 and mc6 are brilliant.
@@JohnPaulMusicUK not enough buttons
Piece of paper and a pen and write / draw out what extra pedals you need.
Nice sharing of external Midi.
Thanks - it’s been a big ask from many people. 👍🏻
U R the best, but i will be very happy if you post a video about run this divice's midi by USB, and the BOSS Rc 500 too. TKS
On the video’s to-do list - watch this space.
Thank you
You're welcome
Great video John, thanks. I checked out the Boss RC -5 manuals but do not see if I can use the Morningstar to control record and play, just in general, not for the rhythm tracks. Can you tell me if the RC-5 messages can work with the Morningstar for record and play? Thanks
This is super helpful, @JohnPaulMusicUK ! Question - can you send a midi message to plat a one shot sound stored in memory from a separate midi controller? I also can use a relay switch to trigger it if midi is not available in that mode - thanks!
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Thank you Sir! Please show me, how can i adjusted up and down volume of rhythm (Drum) on RC5 pedal. I feel the sound of Drum is too loud for the guitar volume. I want down volume of Drum, while keeping the guitar volume, i hope you can help me. Thank a lot!
Hello Truong 👋
To adjust the volume of the rhythm, first long press on the Rhythm ON/OFF button and then you will see the rhythm menu.
The first option is Level, which you can then use the control knob at the top right to click and change the value.
Hope this helps.
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Hey John, thanks for the informative video. Wondering if the RC5 can alter the tempo of a previously recorded or loaded memory. Basically looking to adjust the tempo of a backing track via an external tap tempo (ES-5) to match a live drummer's tempo who is not playing to a click. Thanks!
Yes you can! what I would do is on the memory, set the original tempo and import the backing track. then you can adjust the tempo by changing it in the settings. 👍🏻
You are very well! Please show me, how can i turn off power rc5. Thank!
to turn off the power, you need to unplug the jack cable from the output. there is no power button. please make sure your speaker or Amp is turned down or off or you have muted the channel if using a mixer before you do this. 👍🏻
Thanks for the great content! I didn't know Rc-5 could handle mic level signal well. Was there any preamp before the input?
No there was not any preamp 👍🏻
@@jeredmckenna yes...you have to have some way of matching the impedances of the instruments to the input you are using. An inline transformer or direct box as you said.
Great video, as usual. You have a great teaching method for us neophytes. Since you specialize in taking us for a loop 🤣, do you have videos on Aeros looper and Midi Maestro?
Thank you so very much.
To answer your question , No. I haven’t. It is the one looper that does not interest me because of the way you build up the different parts.
I prefer to have more control/more buttons to turn things on and off in multi mode .
I did consider purchasing it at one point.. but I was put off by the UI.
What do you think about it?
@@JohnPaulMusicUK I am still getting used to, but with the MIDI Maestro, you get total and separate control, and it also integrates perfectly with the Beat Buddy.
Nice one John! Thanks for this video... been watching a few of your videos, all very informative! Def got my subscription! Do you know if it's possible to connect 2 x RC5's via midi and have them synched basically like a 2 track looper? Or maybe like a part A part B scenario? Thanks again! :)
Yea you can. TRS midi will do that. 👍🏻
One becomes the time keeper and the other follows that bpm but the loops stay independent. 👍🏻
Very useful set of CZcams videos, so thank you John ! Using my MC8 and Boss RC-5 and have managed to get several functions working, including the scrolling through the 57 x Rhythm Patterns. I use the Morningstar MC8 ‘CC Value Scroll’ function for that. However, using the same approach I can't get the RC-5 to scroll through the 7 x Kits. Any suggestions or help, please?
Hey Chris 👋
So looking at the parameter guide it just has one option for Kit like it does for variation. You have to use a control change for that (maybe even 2 on the same button 127 for ‘on’ and 0 for ‘off’ and it looks like it cycles through the kits instead on increase or decline.
I’ll play with it over the weekend and get back to you on it.
👍🏻
@@JohnPaulMusicUK Hi JP. I managed to get this to work by using multiple CC messages with the following CC values for each 'Release' action 5, 15, 35, 75, 100 and 125. I can't claim credit for the CC values, some else suggested those increments
Ahhh okay. That’s fair enough. Glad you got it working. Ace 👍🏼
Thanks for the great vid JP, as a geetar player, midi is a midistery. Any ideas where I can get a list of the drum patterns on the rc-5, can't find it on the BOSS site. I'm looking for reggae rhythms specifically. thanks for the great content 👍🏻
Download the Reference guide but for the list of patterns, this guy made a video with them all on. 👍🏻
czcams.com/video/3NtVtsvRUXw/video.html
Thanks for this informative video!!
Is it possible to overdub via MIDI controller?
Yes and no.
You can add the same button that’s the main button on the RC-5 which is, by default R/P/S/C and then once a base track is down, you can overdub.
But it acts as the same button and there is no dedicated overdub function.
Hi, thanks for doing this video! Am I right in thinking that with the midi function I’d be able to stop the loop on the RC5 whilst simultaneously having my external effects board that has midi change patch? so that it changes the tone on the stop of the RC5 without me having to stomp twice on 2 separate pedals
Yes you can if you have something like the Morningstar as that can send out multiple midi commands with the push of one button if you program is right.
Have a look here: czcams.com/video/ZMKhgzX5Jd0/video.html
I come from the infinity looper and I change few days ago to the boss rc 5 because I reduce the side of my pedalboard. I use ableton as a midi master clock for the looper and I use to Record at the start of the next measure after the switch has been pressed. That's work perfect in the infinity but I don't see this option in the Boss. Is a basic feature with midi so probably I don't find the way in the menu. How can I do this or similar with the RC 5?
Hey 👋
Answered this on the other video but look into SETUP>MIDI>SYNC CLOCK> choose from there and make sure Ableton is pumping out MIDI CLOCK for the RC-5 to read from. 👍🏻
Hey John, thanks so much for the content. Quick question. I’m trying to get the metronome to be sent out of the of the RC 5 and sent to my near monitors only. For time keeping purposes obviously. Any recommendations on how to make that happen with the RC 5? I wasn't sure what my options are if any. Thanks for your time!
hey josh - so this is one of the differences with the RC-5 and the RC-500. you cant change the routing on the rC-5 but you can with the 500.
The only option you have would be to utilise the midi and get it to send midi clock out to another device to then give you the tempo/bpm.
my mind went instantly to the soundbrenner pulse which transmits bpm over bluetooth midi (or cable) and you wear it.
might not be your thing www.soundbrenner.com/pulse
@@JohnPaulMusicUK Thank you!!
Very Informative..Thank you X10. I'm not very knowledgeable with midi. Question, Can I program Morning Star to Play/Rec/stop Clear. Like the Boss Fs can?
Yes you can, absolutely! 👍🏻
Check this out: czcams.com/video/ZMKhgzX5Jd0/video.html
Hi John great video! Have you tested a way to start a sequencer/groovebox/daw from the rc5 in sync?
Not yet but I'll keep you posted.
Have a look at my friend Ben Rowland channel. he merges his loop pedals with Ableton so it can be done!
czcams.com/users/BenRowlandsMusicvideos
@@JohnPaulMusicUK Would the same principles apply to Logic?
Hi! Is it possible to access the memory slot directly using program change or something? For example, loading the slot 15 with program change 15? Thanks! Amazing video.
Yes. Memory 1 == Slot 1 on your device/Pedal
Thanks John for this video, it helped me a lot! However, I'm still trying to make the memory up and memory down work out. Can I ask you how you did this? Thanks!
I think I just found out how! I didn't put the second action (release,0). I think that was my mistake, right? I'm new to the midi world. I jsut received my MC8 few days ago.
That’s right. Boss needs a press & a release per button. 👍🏼
This video will help - czcams.com/video/ZMKhgzX5Jd0/video.html
@@JohnPaulMusicUK Does Boss need a press & a release for TEMPO (MIDI Clock Tap) that you configured in this video?
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Thank you Gourab 🙏
Thank you for your informative video. I appreciate your easy to follow instructions (I am a beginner to loopers).
Is it possible to use CC commands to mimic the controls of the footpedal on the RC5? These commands appear to be included on page 15 of the manual, but I have read that (in one person’s experience) it was not possible to recreate the basic footpedal controls using a midi controller. Is it as simple as assigning a CC number to the correct parameters listed on page 15 of the manual?
I noticed that in the video you used the footpedal on the RC5 to start recording a loop. Was this because it is not possible to assign this function to an external midi controller?
I apologize if these are overly simple questions. I am new to midi programming and loopers.
Thanks again for your video!
Hey 👋
Thanks for reaching out.
So there is a list on that page and you are correct. The option to mimic what the RC-5 pedal does isn’t possible. It is however with a control pedal like an FS6 or FS7 with CTRL 1or2 functions. Just not midi. One of the limitations of the RC-5.
@@JohnPaulMusicUK Thanks for your great video and super fast reply! This is still a good option (size, effects, price) and I haven't been able to find full midi capability with any looper pedal.
It looks like a rack mounted looper is the only option with full midi capability right now. Back to the '80s:)
Haha. Or try loopy Pro!
Been trying to setup my disaster area midi controller with my RC-5 and instead of doing like Rhythm play or stop it just cycles through the memories locations
Thank JP！ Could you do a rc500 midi part? It’s really confuse me
Have a look at this video as it is about the morningstar but I do defence the RC-5 and the RC-500 in it.
Hope it helps.
czcams.com/video/ZMKhgzX5Jd0/video.html
Off topic but could you tell me if the Boss DD-8 has available midi progamibility with something like a Morningstar 8? I dont see a port buy maybe through the Tempo/EXP?
Hey 👋
So it doesn’t have midi capabilities.
The DD-200 does but that a more expensive pedal.
Hi John, very nice video. I'm wondering if it's possible to send only the drums through output B and the recordings to A?? Thanks!
Unfortunately no, but you can in the RC-500.
Check out the parameter guide on routing the audio
@@JohnPaulMusicUK thanks John! By the way... I'm programming de ms3 to use the rc5 via midi. I'm trying to change rythm variations but i can't make it work with the ms3. Do you know why?
Can i send Midi from rc-5? To control other pedals.
Or load a Midi track with Midi changer comands to change presets in others pedals, in verse, Chorus solo, etc...turn on the harmony in the Chorus, etc...
It has midi in and out.. so if you can get the PC commands right, then yes.
Wow, would love all these extra features out of my RC5 but that thing costs more than the RC5 itself... are there affordable alternatives?
There are yes. The MorningStar MC8 is their flagship and they have an mc6 and mc3. Alternative to that there is a Harley Benton midi foot controller under £100 here - www.thomann.de/gb/harley_benton_mp_100_midi_foot_controller.htm?partner_id=75434
Could not midi workin right on rc5 w mc8. It was trippin out rc5 and force scrolling all up mem or down. Not sure how to setup Omni port and cc triggers properly for mc8. I’m like push-cc change-81-127 but it wasn’t doing anything, either my unit has issues or I’m doing something wrong. The only good thing is you can use boss fs5u to trigger rec/ply and sto/undo which I can work w my setup
With the MC8 I found I had to take the midi IN away from thr MC8 as it would receive weird signals and then make changes.
Also don’t know why but boss pedals need 2 CC commands. One for push down 127 and another for let go 0. For each command.
Have a look at this video and I hope it helps..
czcams.com/video/ZMKhgzX5Jd0/video.html
Hi! Amazing video and it helped me set up my morningstar with my RC5. The only thing is that if I want to play one of my saved loops off of the RC5 it is a slave to the BPM set by the Morningstar. Is there any way to have an individual loop ignore the tempo set by the morningstar but it works for all the loop patches in general?
That’s a very good question.
It’s midi clock and it’s either on or off.. unsure how to get it to ignore it for one track.. let me get back to you on that…
@@JohnPaulMusicUK tough one, right? Thank you.
I still can't make TRK PLAY and TRK STOP working. My MIDI connections are working and TRK PLY/STP does actually work, but i need the two dedicated functions. Boss support told me to update the firmware (which i did) but nothing changed. Does anyone have TRK PLAY and/or TRK STOP working? I still think those function simply don't work in general ...
With midi, the "TRK PLY/STP" is edge-triggered. You have to send two CC messages, the first with value 0 and the second with value127. Think of this pair of messages as a single "event". Assuming you're in the stop state, here is how it works:
If the current memory slot contains a loop already:
1st event -> play
2nd event -> stop
3rd event -> play
4th event -> stop ... etc...
If the current memory slot is empty:
1st event -> record
2nd event -> play
3rd event -> stop
4th event -> play ... etc...
This sequential logic is built in and can't be broken. Most people would see it as a pro rather than a con: only one switch is used for control, and only one CC channel is used.
Now, you want dedicated TRK PLAY and TRK STOP controls. The closest to what you want would be to bind your RC-5 footswitch to "TRK STOP" or to "TRK STP(CLR". Then use it as a control for STOP and use midi as a control for START.
Bear in mind that this solution is flawed: if the START control was truly dedicated, hitting it would have no effect when the loop is already playing, but here it actually duplicates the effect of the STOP control and stops the loop! Because of "TRK PLY/STP" built-in logic.
I couldn’t have put it better myself!
I realise this is an old post and that you've probably worked this out by now but just in case its helps; the midi control functions listed in reference manual for TRK START (Control "START" of memory/LOOP) and TRK STOP (Control STOP of memory/LOOP) are for changing the mode of the operation of START and STOP functions and not the actual loop START and STOP action itself. See page 9 of reference manual for the mode options . For example for TRK STOP, depending on the value you send, you can change the STOP mode function to either, Immediate stop, fade to fade time set, or stop at end of loop, but it doesn't STOP the loop, and, according to BOSS it was never supposed to do this. Similarly for TRK START, modes are immediate start, fade in.
If you want separate functions for TRK PLY/STP and STOP you can plug a footswitch like FS-7 directly into the RC-5 which is what I do. This is not quite what you wanted but close. I use a midi footswitch to increment and decrement memory.
In this example for TRK STOP, it is 0-31 (0-1F hex) for immediate stop, 32-95 (20 -5F hex), for fade to fade time, and 96-127 (60-7F hex) for stop at end of loop. A friendly chap at Roland was trying to find a list of the various values required for all the midi functions, but heard nothing back yet.
Does it play nice as a midi clock slave? The big old rc50 I have is only consistent on time as the master clock. As soon as it’s a slave it will fall out of sync. Known issue for the device. Thanks
Hey Chris
Yeah the midi clock is much much better. 👍🏼
Many videos on playing very nicely with Beat Buddy and Others too. 👍🏼
Is there any way to make RC-5 ignore beats/measures, so it does not quantize the loop? Sometimes when we have a sponteanus moment (worship music) we do not have any sort of beat going on and I would like to just freeze some part to loop it for long, but it keeps pushing it into the frame of measures within current tempo...
Hey 👋
So yes and no. I know.. an annoying answer 🙄
But let me explain. The RC-5 will ALWAYS attempt to figure out a BPM based on the timing of the recording.
However, it is possible for it to ignore measures in the sense of using a rhythm track.
You would have to turn off certain elements within that loop like the rhythm start and stop elements so it doesn’t send out a rhythm or a click track.
Might be worth doing that on a separate memory and saving it like that, then you can just go up to that memory with an FS6 or FS7 pedal and it’s there as an empty track with no rhythm section playing for you to create a drone or freeze. Then you could go down a memory back to the previous loop when you are ready (provided that loop is saved)
Is that what you want to achieve?
Hope that makes sense?
Let me know if I’m making any sense. 🤣
Play/Stop and Clear track are covered in the RC-5 reference guide, but how to RECORD another layer using MIDI? Or do you need to press the actual RC-5 pedal for that, or external footswitch?
You're talking about overdubbing, right? Then stay away from MIDI control for this. You have 3 options:
1) Just use the RC-5 builtin switch and choose the binding that fits you, from the set TRK REC/PLY, TRK R/P/S(C), etc...
If you're not happy with the feel under your foot, or you don't like double-tap and hold, or you can't reach the level of control you want:
2) Buy a two-switch foot controller from BOSS, to be plugged into the Stop / Memory Shift input. This will bring some more comfort in your control of record/play/overdub. Basically you'll get the same level of comfort as with the RC-500, AFAICT.
3) Do what I've done, build a two-switch foot controller yourself. It's very easy, I have a fully functional DIY foot controller for under 20 euros. It's made of wood and fully passive. You don't need a metal enclosure because the control signals are not audio, they don't need shielding. A wooden enclosure looks unprofessional but it's cheap and robust enough. It's been easy to craft, to the exact dimensions I'd planned.
You CANNOT record another layer (overdubbing) with midi. You can bind the command "TRK PLY/STP" but this will only let you record, provided that the memory slot you're using is empty. Subsequent actions will be stop, play, stop, play, etc... on this recorded loop. It's not what you want.
This is the reason why I'd advised about getting a two-switch foot controller in my previous comment. BTW, it's a bad idea to edit a YT comment, it's confusing and makes it harder for people who try to help you :/
31plemoine is correct.
You could also use TRK R/P/S or TRK R/P/S/C on a CTL 1 or 2 but the main pedal is set to TRK R/P/S/C as standard anyway.
Overdubbing is done with this and you either need to press the actual RC-5 or you can set that up on an external foot switch.
You can control the ‘dub mode’ via midi but all that does is change the preference from overbidding to replacing the audio with a new recording.
@@31plemoine would you happen to know if a programmable function footswitch signal can be used such as from the rjm mastermind? since you built the switch yourself do you know which signal number the rc-5 expects?
Was wondering if anyone is able to help me on here please. I'm building up an acoustic set to play live but am pretty new to looping and am a bit rubbish with tech. I'm currently using an FS7 switch with my RC5 Boss pedal, but want a midi pedal that's able to move up and down from one saved memory to another, stop and start a memory, clear a memory and undo / redo a take. I don’t really want anything more than that, so the Morning Star feels a bit like over kill. Has anyone got any suggestions of the type of pedal I’m looking for that could be used with the Boss RC5? Cheers…
I use stage lights for my band. can I store midi data on the rc 5 to trigger my lights so they are in sync with my music? if so how do I connect it to work. thanks
so let's say when the song ends all my lights go off. or a spot light comes on for the guitar solo and then goes off when it is done
I should have mentions I'm using the rc5 for playback only, and not as a looper. thanks
It’s a great idea.. but the only way you would do that is by having an external switch.. it won’t send DMX control from the RC-5.. you would have to figure out a midi command for each and I don’t think it could do it. The real idea is to send midi from and to the RC-5 to control it doing different loop functions.
John Paul! I’m trying to connect my dynamic mic SM58 into my RC5 but I just get a buzz through my PA. As I have it now, my chain is mic -> xlr -> balanced adapter -> rc5-> mixer -> pa. Do I need to add something in there? I don’t think it’s any of the cables that are causing the buzz
Humm 🤔
I’ve never used a balance adapter.
Try plugging that directly into the mixer as a test just to see where that buzz is coming from. Next, just plug in the RC-5 into the mixer without anything plugged into it and see if there is a buzz (shouldn’t be).
So do you put a drum machine before the looper station or after the looper station? I have a drum machine boss DR880, And all I need is for the looper to keep my guitar and sync with my drums.??
Ps , Some of my Drum parts have baselines in them,
Great question. So if you want the drums and the looper to be in sync, you don’t need to connect them via audio, just midi and then you can record / loop your guitar without it capturing the DR880 if it’s playing a rhythm.
so is it possible with the mc8 and looper to record sections eg. verse prechorus chorus and bridge using a total of 4 memory slots and sending multiple midi msgs simultaneously eg. switch memory slot, record and switch memory slot and play?
Technically yes.. however the RC-5 doesn’t auto save.. so you would need to save before you move onto the next section. Unsure if the looper would stop if you are writing to the memory.
Hello, I am thinking of buying the new Boss RC-5 compact pedal and I wanted to know if someone has tried to use it as a ABLETON midi clock slave and if it works correctly as the ininity looper or others. I read not clear opinions about it. Thanks for your help.
I have used it with a midi clock by sending midi clock messages from a Morningstar midi pedal.. even changing the timing and it works just fine. 2 or more taps and it’s figured it out pretty quick!
Grate info!! One question, can I control boss rc 5 with midi keyboard, like arturia keysetp?
Yes you can!
thanks... @@JohnPaulMusicUK
@@JohnPaulMusicUK I have an arturia keysetp, not arturia keysetp 37, and I cannot find the way to control the RC 5. I want to control the CC# controlores, but... i think it's not possible in arturia keysetp
If I use the rc5 as master to a drum machine as slave, must tap tempo be used in my loops to keep the drum machine in sync with my loop?
Nor if you don’t want to. You can set it up so the memory sends midi clock to the device instead to keep the tempo.
Great vid!.... question..
If you load a stereo track to a memory and that track has a click-track hard panned to one side, will that be output ONLY from that side from the pedal?
Thanks so much! Cheers!
yes..if you have that loop panned in the routing it will.
Good to hear... because I got the Rc-10 and it won't do that... it won't even do that with just the internal Drumloop... unless I'm missing something....or I've got a bad unit...
thanks!
Great video! However,not able to get my rc5 to start via midi. Cc# at 80, cc values at 127 midi channel 1 using morningstar mc6. What settings are you using on your mc8? Thanks!
Make sure with the rc5 you have 2 commands, one at 127 for ‘on’ and another at 0 for ‘off’.
Have a look at this video as it should help.
czcams.com/video/ZMKhgzX5Jd0/video.html
@@JohnPaulMusicUK thank you! One more question. Have you had any luck activating fill, parts, etc via midi? I am able to get the part to activate but can't get back to the original pattern.
can u show how to use usb port for midi and connect with my midi keyboard ??
Press the setup button, scroll to midi and then scroll to ‘sync clock’ and you can control the tempo click and sync with USB.
Then scroll to MIDI THRU/USB THRU - This is off by default and change it to what you need, either midi (TRS) or usb or both to control with the keyboard.
Then set your CC#80-87 to what you want them to do and then have the same corresponding numbers on the keyboard.
Hope that helps.
Is there a way to trigger specific memories via midi? Like let's say I want to trigger memory 58 with a single press, is that doable or do I need to scroll to 58 and press play?
Sort of..
you would need to be able to use and control Program Changes (PC) rather than CC.
Hi, I have a Boss footswich looper, how can I connect to an akai mini mk3 without using a computer/tablet/cel? I have no other choice to bought a midi sound module (like midiplus) or in a better case a mini mixer with midi effects and usb input (?) in order to connect to the Boss pedal (it would be akai usb to the sound module host usb and from the headphone input of soun module a jack to the boss pedal)? Has the boss pedal sounds that can be played in the akai mini mk3 or I need a sound module in between connected?
Have you had a look at a Widi Host?
Bluetooth midi and it’s really quick latency.
Check them out here: www.cme-pro.com
It’s changed my studio!!
@@JohnPaulMusicUK interesting... But, the idea is without computer, to work when you are in transit or playing live if you not want to carry the laptop/pc. Im searching for an economic solution (not a roland or akai mpc) that can bring to the akai power, sounds and can be recognize by the boss rc500 (and if this solution has effects like reverb or delay, better!)..
I just grabbed the rc5 and am trying to figure out how to get something tabbed out from guitar pro onto the pedal. Any advice?
Hey Mark, so do you mean recorded out and then put on the Rc5? You can move files over using Tone Studio RC.
@@JohnPaulMusicUK thanks!
How is preset recall not avail via midi freakin weaksauce. That’d make this so useful for sample drops as well backing triggering.
That’s damn awesome shout!
Hi John
Great video, I have been trying to get the CC functions working through my Boss es8, after reading that this would only work if you send a value of 127 and 0 simultaneously I finally got the stop start to work. But nothing else. I reported it to boss who eventually said they don’t know. Has there been an upgrade or can you share the secret with Me?
Any Help would be appreciated
Steve
Hey Steve. Can you send the 0 value at a slight delay, like 2/300 ms? Reason is that the es8 might think the 127 and 0 are being sent at the same time.
@@JohnPaulMusicUK Thank you, I have all but given up on this but thank you.
Steve
I am confused. At 10:50 you appear to add some vocal overdubs. Wouldn't that require a mike and you had told me in connection with another video that you could not use a mike with the RC 5. Could you please explain what is happening at this location in the video. Thanks.
So the blue cable I have connected to the RC-5 is a jack to XLR cable that i have connected to a microphone.
Apologies for the confusion.
With the right cable, you can add a microphone and that’s what I did in this video.
not sure if anyone will read this but is it possible to loop OVER backing tracks, for example having a specific drum and bass pattern in a song structure and then looping over this with the looper without it looping the backing track?
That’s a great question.
So when you loop you want to overwrite the backing track? Maybe you can change to another memory with an FS-6 or FS-7 pedal.
If it’s playing and you change memories it can do that in time and seamlessly.
Hope that helps. 👍🏻
@@JohnPaulMusicUK Ok so if I play the backing track then switch to a different memory I can loop over the backing track in time, I would just have to have both loops at the same bpm? Thankyou so much!
also would this be easier with a more advanced pedal like the boss rc600?
Hello, I just watched this video and it left me guessing. Can I use an ordinary TRS 3.5 mm Aux just like we used with mp3 and other gadgets?
Yes you can.
@@JohnPaulMusicUK Thanks :)
Welcome 🙏
I use one of my old micro mic aux cables cause it’s small and flat. 👍🏻
Thanks for putting up the video.
For me, the key thing you failed to mention (that Boss also fails to mention in the reference manual) is what value you should send with the CC#?: 0? 127? Or should any value work?
I’ve had my RC-5 since Nov 2020 & am using it with a Morningstar MC-6 (always with the latest firmware) & Boss’ own MIDI-TRS cable which I only purchased to eliminate the cable in my troubleshooting process (it wasn't the cable).
I could only get MIDI control of the RC-5 to work correctly by sending out the CC# with value 127 followed by a 2nd message with the same CC# but value 0. (Both messages sent on the press action)
Sending out the CC# only once with value 127 resulted in weird behaviour on the RC-5.
I sent a video to Boss UK support to demonstrate the issue and they weren’t able to help so they forwarded onto their wider team and I’ve still not had a reply 2 months on.
In setting up your Morningstar MC-8, you must have looked at the value parameter of the MIDI message and made a decision regarding what to do with it - either leave it alone or change it?
I found that this step was the critical step and was the difference between getting MIDI to work correctly or thinking my RC-5 unit was faulty.
If you can successfully control your RC-5 from a Morningstar MC-8 with just 1 message, with no special consideration of the value sent with the CC#, then it would make me start to think that my issue is due to my Morningstar MC-6 rather than the RC-5.
While I now have my RC-5 & MC-6 working flawlessly together (and I can’t recommend this combination highly enough - it’s great fun & massively expands the functionality of the RC-5) it’d still be really helpful to know what full message(s) you’re sending from your MC-8 i.e. both CC# & value?
The message you set up might only apply to the MC-8, but it’d still be incredibly useful to know the full message you’re sending and might assist others when setting up their MIDI controller or troubleshooting issues they may be having.
Hey Chris. 👋
So this is a very important comment and I thank you for raising it.
I did actually film this and decided to take it out as I didn’t want to alienate people who don’t have a Morningstar pedal.
Basically I setup the Morningstar with 2 commands per CC#. On trigger at 127 and then on release same number but at 0. This makes the pedal turn on and off instantly otherwise the next time you press it, the looper won’t know the difference.
I thank you for the comment and it is something with midi you have to learn but this video was about all midi in general and my only regret is that I didn’t talk about values and should have left in the information that 0 is off and 127 is on.
With the RC-500 it’s even more complex cause you dictate what the Cc# is as well.. so that can lead to even more confusion.
With the values, a lot of midi floor pedals send this message automatically, that 127 is ON when it’s pressed and 0 is OFF when it releases.. so it’s more about programming the MorningStar up as it is such a blank canvas.
But I take your feedback seriously and it’s something I am going to make sure is in the Morningstar video when it comes out soon. 🙏
Man... Thank you so much for this comment. I almost lost it after 2 hours of not figuring out what the problem was. Was just sending 127 which turned my RC-500 on but after that it didn't do anything until I turned off the Looper.
Thank you so much!
@@JohnPaulMusicUK Man...... please put that video up..... I was just going mad for 2 hours and had to search the entire web to find the solution through a comment.
I have just dropped a new video about the Morningstar MC8 and I talk about it heavily in that. czcams.com/video/ZMKhgzX5Jd0/video.html
Dude, thanks a million for this comment. I'm getting into midi with a morningstar MC6 and I was having the exact same problem. PC messages are passing nicely, but CC was driving me crazy. Working like a charm now.
on the RC5, can we set 1 memory slot for verse & another slot for chorus, we will be able to play it like a 2 track looper?
that is a good question. you could technically but you would have to save the loop before you move to another memory.
It doesnt auto-save and as soon as you move into another memory and move back, the loop has gone.
but as long as you can write to the memory before moving on, yes.
@@JohnPaulMusicUK great! So i can use a footswitch moving from one slot to another changing from verse to chorus & back yeah?
Yes.
Another option is to utilise undo/redo on the RC-5. I go over this on my brand new looping course!
Check it out here: johnpaulmusicuk.mykajabi.com/how-to-loop-like-a-pro
Put the Code ‘LOOPLIKEAPRO’ in at checkout for $30 off my course. 👍🏻
has anyone ever figured out how to trigger 'overdub' with a CC on this thing?
nevermind, just read the other related coments, cheers
Great vid. Can you please explain the CC 80 to 87 controls? why are thery so? what is it for the RC500? is it hte same? I dont really understand why my midi baby is not working on the rc500 trying everyrthing.
Hey Jon 👋
So the CC#’s are set this way on the RC-5. Something Boss has decreed.
With the RC-500, RC-505 and RC-600, you can dictate the CC#’s
So with the 500, you tell it what the CC# is and then marry it up to the same as your midi baby.
Hope that makes sense.
@@JohnPaulMusicUK yes it does, but it's baffling to me why it's still not working for me. I,ve set the CC# ont he midi baby the same as the rc500, yet still nothing. DO you know if the rc500 has bugs around this? they are simply not speaking to each other and Ive tried aeverything.
thanks for your help!!
And you have turned the CC’s switches assigns on on the RC-500?
@@JohnPaulMusicUK I have in the midi menu.
pleassseeeeeeee do the same for the RC500 :)
i am getting mad at trying to configure it with fl studio as a remote for it...
Noted and on the list. 👍🏻
@@JohnPaulMusicUK thks
Have a look at this video as I do cover some of the basics of midi with the RC-500 - but it is about the Morningstar.
Still looking to make a full video so don’t worry. 👍🏻
czcams.com/video/ZMKhgzX5Jd0/video.html
@@JohnPaulMusicUK thanks a lot !
More than welcome 🙏
Hi John Paul. This video was really informative! Thanks! Can you still assign a footswitch to cc80, So that you can have 8 working footswitches (80 - 87?) Or do you have to leave cc80 as the MIDI clock? I was a bit confused as you seemed to be using the first footswitch for the tap tempo.
Hi.
Yes the usable midi numbers on the RC-5 are cc#80-87 so yes you can still assign to cc#80
The tempo clock is different. 👍🏻
@@JohnPaulMusicUK That's great! Thanks!
Welcome 🙏
@@JohnPaulMusicUK Hi JohnPaul, can you explain the steps for doing this?. I can see how to assign tap tempo to CC#80, but how do you do it without sending a midi message?
Apologies if this has already been answered.. but just before I empty my bank account! This pedal receives midi in? So I could use it with my synth set up by clicking play on a synth (Novation circuit) to start a backing track on the pedal? I use my circuit into a midi box to trigger my other synths... so would that also trigger a backing track on the pedal?
Technically, yes.
If you had a memory or loop as a backing track, you would be able to trigger it with the correct CC# 👍🏻
@@JohnPaulMusicUK Thanks man! Purchased!! :)
1 question here! Please help!
Let’s say I set the footswitch to “MEMORY INC”.
If I’m playing memory01 then press that footswitch (so it changes to memory02), will it continuously play memory02 right away?
Or I have to press the pedal again to play that memory02 loop?
If it plays right away, I could use memory01 as the verse section, and memory02 as the chorus section.
This is a killer feature for me and I can’t see anyone demo it. I really wanna know if it works before buying the RC-5 + footswitch combo.
Thanks in advance!
Hey Duke.
If you have stuff saved to memory 01 and 02 and you are playing and go memory up then YES it will play. the cool little trick with that is to create a blank track on 02 and then you are just overdubbing and its in time.
Hope that helps
@@JohnPaulMusicUK How do you create a blank track?
Record in time to the beat for as many bars as you need and then you can store it to a memory. 👍🏻
Hi. I notice you press the RC-5 pedal to do an overdub. I'm controlling an RC-5 with my own designed MIDI controller. I can do everything I want via MIDI except put it into overdub. Am I missing something? If I'm not, I think this is a pretty basic/disgraceful omission by Boss, and a complete show-stopper for me. Thank you.
Overdub is just play/record. If the track is empty it’s record.. then after that it’s overdub. Your midi pedal can just be programmed for Play/Rec and then you could change the original pedal on the RC-5 to something else like play/stop. For example. Hope that help.
@@JohnPaulMusicUK Thank you for getting back so promptly. However, I'm still not seeing how to invoke Overdub over MIDI. You refer to programming my MIDI pedal for Play/Rec, but in the CC options there is no Play/Rec, or indeed any Rec(ord) option. There is a Ply/Rec option for PEDAL FUNC, CTL1 FUNC, and CTL2 FUNC, but I don't see what these have got to do with MIDI. Can MIDI somehow uses these controls?
No, its not possible over midi on the RC-5. Likewise I have made a simple midi controller for extra, separate, functions and was trying to do this too.
@@coopscoops9327 Yes, that's right. I think this is a disgraceful omission by Boss. But I ended up sticking with the RC-5 and controlling it with a combination of Midi and transistorised simulations of switch pull-downs on the RC-5's external switch control ("CTL") inputs. (I designed my controller myself). It was still a nightmare to work out the full logic of what I wanted to do. Boss's Midi interface is a complete shambles!
Can you play saved loops with a midi keyboard?
How do you mean? Would you like to trigger the loops with the keyboard?
@@JohnPaulMusicUK yes
Thanks. Will it work with a rc-10r ?
Should work just fine. 👍🏻
@@JohnPaulMusicUK thanks !
Do you cover MIDI sync? I couldn't find it...
I've hooked up my RC-5 to various synths/drum machines and can not get RC-5 to slave or master to MIDI clock for love nor money!!! I've read you need to "prep" the RC-5 by sending control messages first...🤔 Hardly convenient - not all my gear can do that. Do you have your own solution..?
Hey 👋
Make sure the midi channel is set on the RC5 to the same midi channel on the synth or drum machine you want to sync to.
Then in the midi menu, Sync clock AUTO is set if you want the RC5 to receive clock and be controlled by another device.
@@JohnPaulMusicUK thanks man, I already tried that, but...maybe I missed something. Thanks for the reply and keep up the rather excellent videos. Cheers!
Have you updated the firmware?
@@JohnPaulMusicUK Great point! I've yet to do that...I can get various gear to sync except the RC-5. Hopefully the update will help. Many thanks!
@@geerefamilyusacurious, did the firmware update work?
@johnpaulmusicuk , I am playing in a duo and I use the RC500 which I would like to use as a master. Piano player wants to loop in also - but I want to make sure the clocks sync. I’ve seen a lot online about the RC5 having difficulty in slave, but they seem to be old posts. Has this been fixed as of late?
Is any MIDI foot switch compatible with the RC-5?
As long as it can transmit CC# then yes.
You program up the 8 assigns to the corresponding number you want it to be. 👍🏻
Have you tried the RC-500 and syncing it to beatbuddy?
No. I don’t own a beat buddy but I know from others that it does work. 👍🏻
@@JohnPaulMusicUK I got my stuff yesterday already updated! And printed out all the stuff. Now on to work! Thanks
Wow awesome. Mission accepted! Hehe. Ace!
I’m using my new MC6 firmware 3.9.6 (newest) but I can’t get my midi controller to work as yours MC8 does in this video, I have set the correct CC messages right but for some reason it only works once after starting pedalboard, after that RC5 isn’t responding to any CC messages from MC6 (variation, overdubbing etc) any help would be much appreciated!!!
That’s very strange?! Is the RC-5 on the latest firmware as well?
Have you reached out to the Morningstar community? They are pretty good with this stuff.
Maybe 3.9.6 is causing problems.
@@JohnPaulMusicUK I did. Something’s going on and to be honest I have no intentions of waiting, Even Morningstar Support gave me a suggestion, I did follow those suggestions and still doesn’t work. As of now I don’t know if RC5 is on latest firmware. Also MC6 was on previous firmware and still not work, so I decided to update firmware to latest and same issue. For some reason RC5 works perfect with Boss MS3 switcher, I use Tap tempo 👍 Start Stop 👍 Rhythm P/S 👍 Rhythm Variation 👍. I love the Midi Controller. Don’t think I’ll get rid of it.
@@JohnPaulMusicUK also it doesn’t matter if I undo the recorded loop , once I press Start track from MS3 switcher the RC5 starts tracking again!!!!And everything else I mentioned on previous message!!!!
That’s madness that it doesn’t work.
Wonder if your Morningstar is faulty.
Does it work or have you programmed it with anything else?
@@JohnPaulMusicUK it is truly an amazing pedal and very disappointing not being able to use my RC5. And yes!!!! I was able to programmed my other midi capable pedals to work with MC6 (Ir-200, Strymon Compadre Compressor Boost On/Off, Source Audio Collider fave presets) but RC5 not able to make it work!!!!!
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Could I do the same but with meloaudio or mp100 midi foot controller?
Yes. It’s just using a midi foot controller so as long as you can tell it which CC#’s to control, your onto a winner. 👍🏻
@@JohnPaulMusicUK having problems with it... if I switch off the toggle mode on my midi controller, the midi controller just let me push once each bottom, if I switch on the toggle mode, I have to push the bottom twice to do the function... for example if I push to stop I have to push twice to play again ... I’m not sure if the issue is on midi controller or on rc5. Help me please!!!!
Sounds like an on/off toggle momentary problem. This was an issue I was having with the MorningStar and had to send a ‘button press down’ and then a ‘button is released’ command so when I pressed it, the RC-5 and 500 knew it was ready to be pressed again. This sounds like what your having but having to press a sending time to ‘reset’ the button.
Unsure how you fix that with you midi pedal. Might have to look at the manual about changing the functionality.
@@zapata.music1989 Any luck after receiving a possible fix by JohnPaul?
@@zapata.music1989 I don't know who rebranded what, but the "MIDI Commander" from MeloAudio and the "MP-100" from Harley Benton are the very same device. I don't own any of these, but by examining the manual all the issues you describe make sense.
As far as I can tell, the device can send one CC message at a time for a given button press. This is perfectly fine with a few commands like e.g. "KIT", for which a single value will have an effect on the RC-5. However, many interesting midi-bindable commands need two CC messages for a single button press, e.g. "TRK PLY/STP", "TRK UND/RED", "RHYTHM P/S", "TAP TEMPO" ...
If the command needs an OFF value followed by an ON value, and the midi controller only sends an ON value (toggle mode is off) then the very first button press has an effect but subsequent ones do not, because the RC-5 doesn't receive the necessary OFF values. When the toggle mode is on, then you have the guarantee to send ON and OFF values, but you need a button press for each alternately! Basically, what should be a single-tap action is turned into a double-tap action :(
I'm afraid this device, although programmable, is not versatile enough :/
To the best of my understanding, ofc.
In comparison, check out JohnPaul's video about the MorningStar MC8 and the thorough use of the editor: up to 16 messages can be a assigned to each button!
To address your doubts, the RC-5 is not to be blamed here, but rather the meloaudio/mp100.
Bonjour, I have a hotone Ampero Control. I tried everything for midi assignments, checking cables, etc., CZcams I can't assign the ampero with my rc 505 mk2. I'm completely lost Is there anyone who could help me? Thank you 🙏 Hervé Cosenza
Can I sync two rc5 pedals using the midi
Yes you can.. but then I would look into an rc500 at that point.
@@JohnPaulMusicUK what setting would i need in the midi menu to make this possible
Actually if you haven’t changed the settings, you just need a TRS cable going from Midi Out on RC5 #1 to midi In on RC5 #2.
You just have to remember one major thing. RC5#1 is setting the tempo and controlling #2 so if you start a loop on #2 it will be out of sync with #1.
You can of course have 2 TRS cables connected so the information flows between each one. It’s an interesting concept. I wanna know, what’s the reason for the 2 RC5’s? Is it two artists or are you creating something? I’m super curious about this. 👍🏻
@@JohnPaulMusicUK I wanted two rc5 s mainly for the stompbox build and the button is easier to click versus the rc500. I could also add another one if i needed another track. Also is there any routing settings in tge rc5
Ahh I see. Clever idea.
No there is no routing settings in the rc5 - there is in the rc500 but I get the reasoning for the size of the pedal.. other than investing in ‘barebuttons’.
Have a look at Ben Rowland’s video about merging an rc500 and an rc5 together to make a modern day 3 track looper. Not something I have done but interesting video. czcams.com/video/D-AV3DGeVts/video.html
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If it at least used the midi clock... But nope. Big disappointment