Panasonic GX85/GX80 Hands-On Field Test
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- čas přidán 9. 06. 2016
- We're huge fans of Panasonic mirrorless cameras at TCSTV, so we were excited to see Panasonic's compact blend of the the G7 and GX8. Fortunately, we found a very cool location for testing, the historic Bar-U Ranch in Alberta. Can all the cool tech in the GX85 offset the relatively small sensor?
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Six years later and I just got a brand new GX85. Indeed it remains a nice camera still relevant in 2023.
I'm even later than you and just got mine - I love this camera! The super sharp photos, 4k video quality and IBIS has really given this camera some legs. I think it's fantastic as a first camera for travelling and every day use.
@@rikimarizard It's great that you got a GX85. They are indeed wonderful little cameras.
Hey, @d30gaijin and @rikimarizard! I'm thinking of buying it because of the videos of Theo Crawford, i love the warm colors and the look of the image and would like to learn to snap photos like his. Also I'm a beginner and i think for the proce this is the best camera to start with, I've heard also that it is easy to use, which is a good thing. The easier something is to use, the more frequently we resort to it. Can you share with me settings that you use for yours and so far how's your imoression of the cam?
Just bought one with Lumix 15mm; can't wait! :)
not enough reviews are mentioning the easter egg feature of this camera... the first m43 to feature USB charging. a great advantage for a travel friendly camera to have.
JordanYou're unbelievable......Can't wait to see your reviews.No messing around and straightforward.Thanks
I always look forward to your reviews every week. I just wish the weeks would pass quicker. You guys are arguably one of the best camera reviews channel on CZcams. Sending love from London.
Man, your videos just gets better and better. You guys are an awesome team
Just bought the GX85 and have watched MANY videos on it before and after. THIS, is the best by far. Instant subscribe for me!
Man, all these Panasonic models look so fantastic--there's something to love in the G7, GX8, and now the GX80--but I really hope we see the GH5 4k 60p and improved low light at Photokina this year.
Great production value in this vid. Loved the little slider shots. The review itself was first rate- I feel like I know this product. Roll on the GH5!
Love this little camera! We've been using as our go to for a lot of work when out in the field.
I bought this and now its in the mail, I am dying of excitement .... cant wait to put my hands on this and share on instagram.
Another great review guys.
A great review guys ! One more ... !
Thanks a lot,
Phil
Appreciate the review. I'm a GX7 user and share the same sentiment regarding videography for this new camera. Great insight on the camera and the three lenses. Keep it up!
Your photo in the minute 2:53 I reminded me of my grandfather, Great video!
Best regards!
Great review guys! I've been following for a while, and looking forward to a review of this camera. That said, I had already purchased it after much consideration against Fuji and various other makes/models. The price point, the features, and the portability of the kit + some select primes has already made my first jump into Micro Four Thirds a very pleasant experience. This will be my travel/family shooter, supplanting my more bulky Nikon kit for such tasks. I'd agree on pretty much every point, save for the video aspects. Having a mic input and vlog may be nice for real video shooters, but for just capturing some quick moments I've been absolutely floored by the video quality as-is, and have not yet missed the ability to add an external mic. To each their own, though for me it's been a great little camera!
Another great video review. I'm tempted to have a GX85 as a second body. I have switched from Sony to Panasonic since the beginning of the year and I couldn't be happier. The Panasonic/Olympus system actually deliver the promise of mirrorless. Small bodies, small lenses but image quality which can be used for professional purposes.
Thank you so much for this video!! I purchased the camera after watching this and made a short film with it. :)
best reviewer . I think this review is what's is making me go towards the Gx85. keep it up!
Loved how this review looked! Keep the Sony FS5 Jordan! :)
Fantastic video guys!! Great job!
A most entertaining review!! ... Thank you!
Great review and amazing landscape!
thanks for another great review!
Never been this early to a tcstv video!
Plenty of nice (and funny) photographs, Chris. Good job. The new macro lens looks good.
Great review guys! Sold my 5D3 and picked up the GX85 with the new 12-60mm lens, along with a speedbooster for my Canon glass - I'm LOVING this camera!! I always ran dual-system sound with the 5D3 anyways, because I couldn't interview people and always be near the camera at the same time... and for vloggers, the audio's not much different than what you'd find on other point-and-shoots like a G7X at arms length. Just be sure to put a Micro Windjammer over the mics to cut down on the wind noise. Mic inputs and a headphone jack would have been nice... but truthfully, being able to film handheld with a 50mm prime using the internal IBIS, and an affordable Lens Turbo focal reducer with an extra stop of light is mind-blowing at this price point. The bokeh is unreal, and the crispy 4K video is putting Canon DSLR's in this price range to shame :)
i'm with you on this. I wasn't even planning on a new camera this year but this camera checks almost all the boxes. mic input would have been nice but not a deal breaker.
Did you bought also one for me?
Chris Prouse The gx85 or the gx8 what would you choose?
Tim De smet gx9
Very nice video and review. I'm a owner of a GX80 too, and i love it!
One killer GX85 feature for the videographer: unlimited video recording. Only the GH4 can match this.
It's always like that for the america market, GH4 in europe the same 29 minutes limit, just with GH4R there's no time limit, so in europe GX80, it's limited to 29,59m.
Straight uncut 29 minutes+ is a rare thing in professional use anyway.
+zeebazu not really. As event shooters often hits to that limit. Ie. put camera on gorilla pod, attach camera to over head height on wedding dance floor and put in a 128GB card and let it record. You get all from camera. same in churches etc where ceremony can last over 30min, and you don't need to worry about schedule if ceremony starts 15-30min late etc.
All kind events are that requires few B cameras with unlimited recording.
But yes, as a A camera.... not really a need. same thing with a mic jack, no need as use a external recorder and sync automatically in post... That's reason why time codes are great in recorders and cameras that there isn't problems.
+zeebazu not really. As event shooters often hits to that limit. Ie. put camera on gorilla pod, attach camera to over head height on wedding dance floor and put in a 128GB card and let it record. You get all from camera. same in churches etc where ceremony can last over 30min, and you don't need to worry about schedule if ceremony starts 15-30min late etc.
All kind events are that requires few B cameras with unlimited recording.
But yes, as a A camera.... not really a need. same thing with a mic jack, no need as use a external recorder and sync automatically in post... That's reason why time codes are great in recorders and cameras that there isn't problems.
+zeebazu not really. As event shooters often hits to that limit. Ie. put camera on gorilla pod, attach camera to over head height on wedding dance floor and put in a 128GB card and let it record. You get all from camera. same in churches etc where ceremony can last over 30min, and you don't need to worry about schedule if ceremony starts 15-30min late etc.
All kind events are that requires few B cameras with unlimited recording.
But yes, as a A camera.... not really a need. same thing with a mic jack, no need as use a external recorder and sync automatically in post... That's reason why time codes are great in recorders and cameras that there isn't problems.
I just bought one of these and my next video will use it to film! Very excited to see if my food looks more tasty with it! :D
Really good review, it's good to know the good points and bad points before buying. I just bought it based on your review and Ted Forbes review. Nice to see good honest, unbiased reviews. Cheers.
wow what a great review
Great review. Thanks!
The weight is magnets. 5 axis ibis requires several magnets, the solenoids have magnets. Magnets are generally heavy. It's also necessary for the camera to be heavy for the stabilizer to work. If the camera is too light then the camera can move instead of the sensor.
I also don't agree with it being for stills. I think most serious videographers and even a lot of vloggers are going to use an external audio anyway, so not having the input is saving weight and cost without sacrificing any quality. Just use the built in mic to sync sound in post. External recorders can be attached to the hotshoe with a shotgun mic, but it's better to do what the pros do and basically give each person their own lapel mic and recorder. Heck most cell phones work great as a recorder and your subjects probably already have one in their pocket. David Gilmour recorded some of his last album on an iphone, the sound quality is there.
TBH the preamps on most hybrid cameras are garbage anyway. Leaving it out entirely was a bold move, but I think it pays off.
With a small cage you can get a wide handle, external audio recorder, and a reasonably priced cine lens and a mic. Throw in the cineD hack. That's a very capable, stable 4k rig for around 1,000 USD or approximately 50,000 Canadian. I think you would have a hard time beating that.
You can get cheaper cameras, but with no stabilizer, you're going to need to drop some cash on a gimbal or learn how to use a glidecam or drop serious dough on stabilized lenses. Probably end up with external audio anyway. With a g7, m50, a6#00 you can get the body and a stabilized lens or a gimbal and it's your whole 1000 budget. With a g85 you get audio, but it's 2-400 more, so basically the cost of the external recorder but you do get weather sealing, a little more cost for a little more features. It's an upgraded version of the gx85 though, so... that's not news.
Even in 2020, I can't think of a better 4k rig for the money.
G7 (369 used) + 200 dollar gimbal + 200 dollar Tascam mic + 150 dollar Panasonic 25mm f1.7 = Under 1k as well. You make some great points, but the way I view it is you'll need a gimbal regardless, for ideal performance, and then in body stablization doesn't matter much. It also causes a slight cop in the 4k setting vs G7. Both are great options, but I like the G7 as a true all arounder.
Just got this camera today. Very eager to get some shots of Christmas lights over the next few days!
Those OOC jpegs colors are really really good, im impressed, if i had the money now i would buy it. Thanks for the review
Great review!
Best reviews ever!
02:16 : wow, splendid photo! (perfect video as usual ;) )
Guys you put out great videos!
very nice video guys, good work
Greetings from Hamburg! Keep up the good work:)
My copy of the 100-400's zoom is reasonably smooth. I'm pretty happy with it in good light.
What took u guys so long?!?!?!
But, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.
Am dying to watch the review. Very excited !!! Catch u guys later
I had the same problem with the Pana-Leica 100-400 when I rented it. I don't know if I (and you) didn't get it fully unlocked, but eventually it freed up and it was lovely action. Very smooth and easy. I think the lock is silly and that hood is hilariously ridiculous, but the lens was lovely.
Hey Jordan the video looks good you look great it's doing a nice job thanks for sharing
What mic were you using for this video?
Excellent review. I'm still vacillating between the GX85 and the GX8 as my second camera. Main camera is a GH5. The stabilizer for hand held video is causing me to lean toward the GX85.
Hey Great review! Best so far. I have seen so many review with flat dull images. I am not sure if you shot RAW or if these were out of the camera. I might wait for the next version, but you have definitely made me lean more towards purchasing a micro 4/3 camera.
2:49 WHAT A SHOT!!!
As a sound engineer I way prefer that a camera like this doesn't bother with proper audio because (as in this video) in encourages folks to record the sound properly with separate devices. And it sounds better. So yeah
For some of us, the lack of a mic input isn't a make or break scenario. 95 percent of the time I have a sound mixer on set handling audio. That other 5 percent of the time I'm still recording to a Zoom and then syncing in post to all the other cameras. The 5 axis stabilization is a serious asset for manual lenses. My handheld shooting is fairly steady, and with the ibis I've been able to get shoots that look like they came off a steadicam.
Agreed. The stabilization is far, far more important, and there are ways you can insert sound without a jack input.
I'm only discovering this now and have to agree that this was a great review. Also, those monochrome photos of the gentleman around 2:48 are simply fantastic.
Jordan, you said 3 axis IBIS- it's 5 axis WITHOUT IS in the lens. It's 5 axis IBIS plus 2 more WITH IS in the lens. You guys are attacking the no mic input, but it's a detail if you'd normally sync in post anyway. Also, you didn't mention that this is the FIRST MTF 4k shooter with interchangeable lenses to have 5 axis 4k. Finally, no mention of NO OVERHEATING and NO MAX RECORDING TIME LIMIT. Sorry to criticise, but I think you missed the boat on this one.
You have just answered all of my questions. Thanks!
Agreed!
Dam ,good points their dude. It doesn't overheat... taking notes SONY?
First 4K with 5IBIS and interchangeable lenses?!! What about Sony A7rii and A7sii?
Good call on the no overheating and no max recording. I've had zero issues with that, and the camera has performed flawlessly on a couple of shoots I had this past week. After using that 5-axis stabilization, I'm not sure I can go back to a camera without that feature. It's so clutch for getting steady handheld footage.
Love that 30mm. Just ordered one.
Another great review. I agree with the review with one minor exception. I like the low profile look of this camera. I don't need it to be flashy. As a street shooter, travel camera, I prefer that it draws little attention to itself. I do wish there was weather sealing though. And it is heavier than I anticipated. Takes some getting used as you mentioned.
Yes definitely, he's like the look of the camera doesn't wow me!!! Thats what makes it WOW to me!!! Kind of that old school Konica Yashica look!!! Now that's a wow to me, lol
Great review! I would have liked to hear your thoughts on the 12-60. I hope Panasonic merges the best of the G7 and GX80 for a G8(with a less angular body). Upon purchasing and exclusively using my G7, I have become a big fan of Panasonic mirrorless and can't wait to see what they come up with next.
Hey Chris, I really hope you do a review on your Jordan. You always seem to be using him.
Also, do you know of any new versions that come with an adjustable sarcasm dial? I feel like that would be helpful.
Great review, as always. Though, you guys didn't test the HDMI out. It has 8-bit 4-2-2, and if you use a monitor-cum-recorder like the Blackmagic 4k VideoAssist, you can record audio separately into that (little cumbersome, I guess).
The colours from the cameras are absolutely stellar. I agree with you, about the poor quality RAW photos. I am guessing it is as much an issue with the Processing of RAW (12 bit or less), as much as it is about the sensor. Panasonic needs to work on creating 14-bit RAW.
Also, I hope Panasonic release some kind of Log Profile for the GX85 (even if it's a paid firmware update), as well as improve their VLog for the GH4 (it's not too great).
I think Panasonic should improve all their Log Profile (VLog, Cineline D, Cineline V), and have Atleast 2 of these on All their ILC, Bridge, and large sensor cameras.
Excellent review. You guys were unfair about the video though ;-)
Sony for life! A5100 and A7ii are my main go to cameras
Hi guys, I tried out the Panasonic GX-85 yesterday and I did like the autofocusing very much as it is quick and acturate. My question to you all would be the lens to use as the kit lens is not something I want to buy. Thanks ahead of time and supporting this great channel all the way from Hong Kong
Just saw a different video of GX85 IBIS shooting video on different lenses including legacy (no IS) lenses. Just stunning. So yeah, seems a must have. But must have mic jack too, hopefully 3.5mm.
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@Chris Niccolls And Jordan : Thanks guys for the detailed review, always been a huge fan of your channel :) I want to know how's Gx85 compared to Canon's M6 or M5 in terms of image quality, autofocus & low light performance.
thanks!
Make the TCSTV bus happen!
Kickstarter?
It seems like a great travel camera.
great video. i'm glad it was shot on the sony FS5 and not the GX85, since the video is a bit overexposed. what did you use for audio? not seeing a lapel.
agreed, the lack of a video mic input kind of kills it for videographers. the five-axis IBIS really makes it a great camera PANASONIC OIS lenses.... for stills and video... however, you'd need an external sound recorder or a GH4 as a second Channel to get the proper sound... bummer
I have two GH4 bodies , I'm considering selling one and getting this while I'm waiting for the GH5. I can use it for better stabilized stills and as a second Channel to my GH4 for video. I like the size/portability, and I like the in- body stabilization ... decisions decisions
nice work, thanks
I thought the Z9 was the first camera with pre-buffer. Seems I was wrong. Pretty cool that it was already available 8 years ago, even though the output was just 4K resolution.
Fair point on the lack of mic input, but I feel you set the internal mic so as to exaggerate the problem. You can place a home-made spongy filter over the mic to eliminate most of the wind noise and also adjust the volume, but in any case if you want a camera for anything decent other than personal blogging you'd still need a separate sound system and more than one microphone (for example for interview work). I don't think the lack of mic input is a deal breaker for almost anything other than blogging. This is still a fabulous camera for the price.
Hi Chris, great review, again.
I have the Gm5. I love this camera with my lenses like pana 7-14, 12-32, 45-175, 20 and oly 45. I am looking for a camera with more IQ, and better performance. Is the gx85/gx80 a real upgrade?
Other shortcomings: 16/9 EVF which is not OLED. No articulating LCD.
The post focus feature was not discussed.
Which external audio microphone did you guys use for the commentary audio?
Hello, how are you? I hope you are very well, I am writing to congratulate you, incredible work in the review of these cameras, thanks for the information, I had a question about the Gx85, what is the best way to record the audio on this camera? and What are the best accessories to do it? I hope you can help me and again congratulations on your work.
Good review as usual. I notice you also use the GM 5. Have you tried the new 12-60 with the GM 5? If so, how well does it balance and is it a sharp lens got general photography.
Hi Chris, thank you for the review of the GX85. I want to point out that the GX85 body w/SD card & battery is only 11g heavier than G7 w/SD card & battery and 24g heavier than the GX7 w/SD card & battery. Perhaps it's the lens that you are using on the GX85 that makes the whole camera a lot heavier; I noticed in your G7 review you were using the lighter Panasonic 14-42mm II kit lens.
HI ThecameraStoreTV,
Another great video! I'm looking at the G7 and the GX85, is the poor sound quality worth having with the IBS or is the good sound quality plus mic jack on the G7 worth not having IBS as both cameras seem pretty similar all round. I probably would not use a external mic so its the built in one on the G7 vs Gx85 really, what is your opinion?
Thanks from the UK!
Hi Chris, again what a brilliant review. I just have a quick question. Im having trouble to decide which body should I buy between emd5 ii, emd10 ii, gx8 and gx85. I love the design of the olympus cameras but I think without the 4K it is a deal breaker. I would like to hear from your experience which one of these cameras has the best AF among them ? Thank you for your respond.
Great!
Just tested it, because 13 frames per buffer sounds a bit small. I got 46 JPG+RAW continuous shooting until the buffer was full. Used AFS and mechanical Shutter, which delivers 6 frames per seconds compared to 8 with electronic shutter, if I remember correctly. And I am using a SD Card, which writes about 80 MB/s. So maybe the buffer would be full after 13 frames, but if you use a fast SD, you don't need to worry about that.
The GX85 is great for just photography and great for family occasions which have no need for audio during video.
But I would buy the GX8 first and the GH4 or GH5 second. And get an adapter so I can put Nikon lenses on both off them.
thanks for all your videos that are very helpful. Im traveling often and i need a light and compact camera for street photografy for both photos and videos that can take sharp pictures and video in 1080 60p which camera do you recommend Panasonic GX-800 or Panasonic Lumix DMC-GX80?
As the GX85 only runs $800 I can live without a headphone jack, a mic jack, and the GH4-like video features. The GX85 makes for a nice 2nd camera option for my podcast. Plus I can get some great lenses now for that I can later use for the GH5. The only thing that bothers about the GX85 is that it's 1080P performance is lacking. However, the 4K quality is good with the no time limit and no overheating. And you can edit the 4K down to 1080P. Still, I'd like the 1080P to be better as it saves me time in post.
4:36 the weight comes from the body image stabilization. Cannot avoid or reduce the weight. The mechanical stabilization units simply have a weight, matter has weight.
Hi Chris and Jordan,do you think that I should choose the G85? Is there any difference between the g7 and the gx85*not the weight,the mic impuc and the image stabilisation*.Any difference when talking about the recording quality? I would choose the Gx85 because it has image stabilisation.What do you think?
"Makes it very "throwable"?" Because, you never know when you might want to use your camera for a softball!
I legit felt anxious af when he started throwing the camera around
Love the review, any idea if the HDMI output is 8 or 10bit?
Cheers
hi, excellent video , 1q , how did you get the voice so crystal clear without the mic input, u must have used some external mic, what was the setup please for the sound
thanks again
Solid review. Quick question...how does the IQ compare to the Pen F? I have heard the Olympus (beautiful camera etc.) is actually softer. I am not talking price or looks only IQ.
Chris I can tell that's a brand new shirt you're wearing :p
Curious: when you were recording with the GX85, what were you using to record audio externally?
I think it's the G7 sister camera and probably what you can expect in the upcoming G8 lets see....
So should I buy this the GX80/85 or Still get the GX8, I really love the Tilting EVF on my GX7 but would like the higher resolution from the GX8. Any recomendations? Or do I get an Olypmus )MD em5 Mk2?
Will you guy's make a settings tutorial for the Gx85 /Gx80? Would be nice to hear your advice on that 🤘🏼 Oké thx
I like all of your video~and I think TCStv is more and more popular in china~
Just to elaborate, the sound and stabilization are both important to me so I guess my question is which is most bearable. Thanks again. If anyone else can answer this then I'd be very appreciative too.
Hi! Great Video! Thanks for it. ... I have question. I want shoot photos and videos of dancing people. So moving objects and indoor light. For my budget I can take Panasonic GX80 or Sony A6000. What do you think, which one will be better?
Honestly, the cameras I'm looking forward to from Panasonic are the GH5 and LX200. I really hope they put a mic jack on the LX200.
If Panasonic will use the same lens as the Lx100 i surely hope they will go for a 20mp sensor without the OLPF
After all the crop left just 12-13 mp of resolution. Which surely limited the ability to crop.
Which given the short 75mm lens was limiting it's versatility.
we could crop to let's say 85-100mm with the same resolution of the original it would make the camera for more useful for portraits.
1/4000th flash sync is something that allows us to do very creative things indeed.
Since they already have a 20mp 4/3 sensor implemented on the GX8, I think that's the obvious choice for the LX100 successor, since it has the "crop problem".
The LX100 and GX8 are entirely different form factors. The GX8 is an ILC, the LX100 is not.
That doesn't change anything!
I know they're very different in use, but still: both use a 4/3" sensor.
There's no logical argument to avoid putting a 20MP on the LX100 successor, since the "low res" 12MP effectiveness was one of the principal downsides of the LX100.
PS: and since Panasonic already put 20MP even in the cheaper 1inch sensor of the ZS100, this might indicate that it'll gradually upgrade their new cameras to this resolution, and LX200 is the one most needing this upgrade.
I have the original Panasonic 45-200mm, and I've heard conflicting things about DFD when it comes to this lens. Any verdict on this? I currently have an Olympus E-PL5 so I haven't been able to test this out.