Rhaegar & Viserys Targaryen's Relationship (A Song of Ice and Fire)
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Only real fans know the original video had no audio
I literally blamed my phone cause I couldn't hear it lmaoo
I’ve been watching this channel since the video came out with no audio, #OG
No audio gang 🤙
I'm a fake fan :(
But I noticed it was a reupload because I was seeing this thumbnail since yesterday
I noticed that too
I believe that Rhaegar was a major reason why the seven kingdoms put up with Aerys II so much, everyone was just waiting for him to bite the dust so that Rhaegar could take over as King.
It is similar to how the people of Rome where waiting of Tiberius to die so that the more popular and capable Germanicus could take over as Emperor.
Similar situation when people were waiting for Aegon the Unworthy to kick it so Daeron the Good could fix the kingdom
Aerys II wasn’t unpopular in the smallfolks. It was the lords who despised him.
@@aurelian2641 ok? how does that change his point
@@evoke97 „everybody was just waiting for him to bite the dust“
No, that’s wrong. And that’s what I said? Man you need to understand context.
The smalfolk didnt know. Remember when Arya hears that they still call him “the good king”
Tywin rules in all but name and the kingdom was prosperous. Aerys was easy to suck up to. Rhaegar was disturbed in a different way. No one but the Faith would want another Baelor the blessed.
Besides, the moment he was slighted, Tywin started working to dethrone Aerys.
Yes Rhaegar died in his first real battle but let’s not forget the 6’6 muscled like a bull prime Robert Baratheon he was facing and to his credit he did wound him enough that Robert couldn’t go to kingslanding himself right after.
Yea he had no chance of winning that one. He didn't get the genes of Aegon Conqueror or Daemon.
@@thegreenstalker19yearsago50 or Daeron I, but yeah, very true, he wasn’t natural inclined to be a marshal person, he liked books
@@thegreenstalker19yearsago50Well and even if he did get them Robert had that mad lust
@@RabidNemo lets be honest. He aint beating any of the legendary targaryen swordsmen. They were more nimble having hat valyrian swords.
@@thegreenstalker19yearsago50Rhaegar was a gifted warrior. It is said in the books that like anything else, he was good at fighting. He met Robert Baratheon in his prime. Robert Baratheon in his prime is one of the best fighters in Westeros.
Of course Viserys idealized his family. Memories of his old life were the only thing that kept him going in exile. 😢
Right ! Yet he wil forever be remembered as a mad prince
@@wolfsbanealphas617 in tge book he was remembered as the Begger King
@@josephherrera6656 yeah I know but Tyrion. Recalls him as mad
A 17-year age difference can have its ups and downs for siblings. In this case, Rhaegar being very distant from Viserys and dying when the younger brother is 7 highlights to downs.
Maybe Rhaegar is suffering from Eren Jaeger syndrome, knowing your future and how you die and being able to do nothing about it.
I also think Leanna’s fun-loving personality might have been one of the only ones to energize and bring Rhaegar out of his sadness so it’s not only Ice-fire but also love.
Rhaegar is possibly the most interesting character in the show.I think part of the reason people don’t know him well (and this hasn’t been said directly but it’s what I’ve interpreted) is because he’s very stoic.He has emotions he just doesn’t show them very often he’s thoughtful but he doesn’t share those thoughts similar to Jon I think he’s the best analogy.Both are known for being leaders that were chosen by the people and loved by many both are very stoic but both are known for kindness as well.Rhaegar is probably much less humble though.This idea makes sense as they are father and son.Both of them don’t enjoy what they do but do it out of a sense of duty.For Jon its leading and fighting for Rhaegar its fighting and maybe. leading.
That last bit is wrong book Jon loves to fight and constantly flexes his sword hand to threaten people , him disliking fighting was a show creation to white wash him like they did to many characters.
@@thatoneblackdude3333 I’m going off the show for Jon not the books so idk you could be right I’ve never read them.
@@11bluekitkats Book Jon actually was not a very beloved leader. He did gain some friends in the Night's watch, most importantly Sam, but men didn't immediately love and follow him. He took command of the Wall when the Wildlings showed up because Donal Noye who was in charge was killed and Maester Aemon named him acting commander.
Janos Slynt and Alliser Thorne didn't arrive at Casstle Black until days or weeks later after the battle had started and took command. They both wanted him executed but Aemon spoke out against this and he had more influence with the men they then did so they backed down. He was then chosen as Lord Commander of the Night's Watch because the vote was spilt over two candidates. Sam is able to negotiate with the higher ups to vote for Jon as a compromise leader.
So it was more of the fact that Jon had the right friends in the right places. But even that didn't stop them from stabbing him to death, even though some of them had tears in their eyes doing it.
@@josephherrera6656 that’s fair but I’m going off of the show
Technically, he’s not wrong they have the biological ability to tame and ride dragons. Marrying people who don’t possess a similar arcane heritage (regular people) could be seen as a form of alloying. At least, by marrying into a family of strong first men descent the Targaryens preserve their dragon gene while potentially gaining the warg ability
True, but only Bloodraven ever taps into both sides of his heritage. And technically, Rhaegar/Viserys/Daenerys all have First Men blood in them.
Strong indeed.
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Yep, and who better an example, than "these three, Strong boys"? 🗿
@@thalmoragent9344 From whom do Rhaegar/Viserys/Daenerys get First Men ancestry?
@@thalmoragent9344 ugh no they didn't. Layanna Stark is the only Northerner who had a Targaryen child. The North, especially the Starks, very rarely inter married with the familes in the South.
Something that’s always stuck in my head is how Mirri Maz Duur said, “only death can pay for life”.
Rhaegar was born at Summerhall during “The Tragedy at Summerhall” while it burnt down and was in flames (a type of storm). This tragedy killed his grandfather, Aegon V, Duncan Targaryen, and Duncan the Tall.
Daenarys was arguably conceived when Rhaegar died, and her father died soon after she was conceived too. They were fleeing Dragonstone for their lives too. Then she was born during a storm, and her mother died giving birth to her.
Jon Snow was born shortly after his father, Rhaegar, died and as the Kingsguard & Ned with his companions fought & died outside (another kind of storm). All 3 of the Kingsguard died trying to protect the Tower of Joy. Then his mother, Lyanna, died giving birth to him.
Lots of death led to their lives. There are many coincidences & parallels between them and their births too. Then there are three of them… 3 heads of the dragon. 3 betrayals. 3 of this and 3 of that. I don’t claim to know what the 3 means but perhaps all 3 of them are part of the prophecy?
Yes, i love the number 3 has so much symbolism, like the three dragon heads, and Daenerys, Aegon and Jon. I wonder if 3 ppl died when Aegon was born too. Or maybe not since he's apparently not magical.
I wonder if Rhaegar ever thought Viserys could have been the third head of the dragon, he would have been the “Visenya” to his Aegon and Rhaenys, it’s pretty much the male name for Visenya.
Nah he believed his Visenya was literal as in a actual daughter with that name hense why he named his daughter rhenys and his son aegon if he did consider visarys he wouldn't feel the need to have a 3rd kid at all .
@@thatoneblackdude3333 yeah but it’s weird that he named his first daughter Rhaenys when Visenya was the oldest
Yeah, it's a bit of a shame that they were so removed, and it makes sense Viserys would idealize his older brother with the 2nd hand witnesses, via mother and others
Granted, Rhaegar wouldn't have know Viserys to be "mad" or cruel. Viserys' upbringing and young life was... something no child should have to go through. Maybe if they DID know more about each other, Viserys could've had a better role model, at least to an extent
Honestly, the infant deaths felt more like foul play
True but if it's the Maesters behind the deaths, why let Viserys live? Factoring in genetics with all the Targaryen incest, it's a miracle any of them weren't born without severe birth defects.
@Knight860 they figured the age Gap was large enough. Cuz remember there were four siblings prior to Viserys.
Shaena Daeron Aegon and Jaehaerys
@@madambutterfly1997 True, though Daeron died when he was around 6th months old,.I guess the Maesters are secretly psychologists as well and knew spacing out the deaths as they did, would help in Aerys going crazy.
@@Knight860 one thing about the mad king is that he's paranoia was justified the great lords were trying to to overthrow him, Tywin was plotting against him, Rhaeghar was trying to usurp him so when he says that the is foul play with his kids I believe him
The mad king had people watching Rhaella and Viserys day and night and even had his gaurds taste the wet nurses milk before Viserys could drink from it and he lived same with Dany
I think Viserys was also much different than he was when we saw him considering the life they were forced to lead is what turned him into that
Exactly. Like yes he may have been arrogant and snobbish before, but the journey Viserys '3rd went through made him "The begger King".
I think they did love each other and were relatively close, at least as much as Rhaegar could be close to anyone.
I mean, was he really close to Rhaella, Elia, Rhaenys or Arthur Dayne? He cared about them all, as well as Viserys, but was generally a distant and withdrawn person, too preoccupied with the prophecy, and ended up putting them all in danger.
I’ve seen a lot of people go off of Viserys’s claims of how amazing Rhaegar is before which obviously just isn’t accurate. Like you brought up there’s a 17 year age gap between the two, that’s pretty massive. Even now in the modern world that type of age gap would lead to them acting more like cousins or uncle-nephew at family gatherings lol.
Adding on that Aerys had already had a falling out with Rhaegar and that Rhaegar already had his own seat at Dragonstone, the picture becomes clearer. Viserys barely knew Rhaegar and probably talked to him a handful of times at most. Most of his knowledge of his brother would’ve probably come from his mother, who probably instilled this hero worship of him into Viserys.
It’s important for Dany that she has Barristan, she needs to fully understand what Rhaegar and Aerys did and the rebellion that ensued was serious and was their faults and that Westeros is not going to support her cause purely for the sake of her heritage.
I don't aggre that westaros wouldn't support her because of her family only Robert hated the targaryens and really people only had a problem with Aries not rhagar , in the riverlands he's still liked proven by an arya chapter and the acolytes of the citadel toast to danys good health , somewhere in the reach people call her there rightful queen dany has a lot more supporters then you think people aren't that against a targaryen restoration especially after the disaster that the baratheon/lannaster dynasty has become.
Barristan is the one who wants her to go to Westeros saying that people are toasting in her good health
Id actually say Rhaegar was very much capable of love considering George RR Martin literally said he was a "Lovesick fool!"
Man I love to see this into a show about rheagar
Wait I thought the no audio video was joke about how they didn’t have real relationships
I have often wondered 🤔 what Prince Rhaegar couldn't foresee his younger brother Prince Viserys III as one of his prophetic three heads of the dragon 🐲. Then he wouldn't have to worry about his wife Princess Elia having childbirth complications in the future. He could have asserted a more familiar and instructive role in the upbringing and childhood of the young Viserys III and enlightened him about the Song of Ice and Fire with additional support from Maester Aemon of Castle Black potentially to get the point across. Then he could prioritize the safety and well-being of the Targaryen triarchy of Prince Viserys III, Princess Rhaenys and Prince Aegon VI going forward as his position of influence would be almost unassailable though I am sure the Mad King would put up roadblocks . . . how successful could he be in frustrating Prince Rhaegar's access to his mother Queen Rhaella and consequently her younger son Prince Viserys III?!?
It would have been better for the dynasty if he did this, but he probably interpreted the prophecy that the three heads will have to be 1 male and 2 females, that's why he ruled Viserys out.
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Rhaegar sounds like a interesting character.
“For some sad boy reason” lol 😂
I will point out that while Rhaegar did die in his first battle, he did die to Robert Baratheon. There weren't many people who could have stood up against him regardless
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That chapter with Ser Barristan was very interesting and it tells us a little about being fighter. Prince Rhaegar trained dutifully to become a fighter and he was good att it but without any passion for it like Jamie or Robert it stopped him from being on their lever, he fought and trained because he had to but his hearth was never in it.
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Rhaegar the poetic delusionned man and Viserys the mad delusionnal man... Tragic is the blood of the Dragons
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I disgree completely about Rhaegar not loving Lyanna Stark. Lyanna Stark was describe as a "wild beautiful lady", who was a half horse because she rode so often, honest, intelligent, and spoke her mind. She was full of life and energy. Which is why Rhaegar instantly fell in love with her.
And add in the fact that the North and the Starks were mostly seen as more of a foreign territory of the realm since they rarely married into Southern Nobility and were hardly visted by the Targaryens, you could also say she was a exotic creature that Rhaegar immediately fell in love with. It was very well known that Lyanna was engaged to Robert and Rhaegar's marriage to Elia was political with no sense of emotion or attachment to her.
I believe if Rhaegar had killed Robert and defeat the rebellion, he would have offered pardons to Nedd and the others. And probably desposed his father in some way.
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I thought my 11 year old computer speaker died when the video first released
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I wish we would’ve saw more of viserys
Agreed! Wish we saw more of his perspective and what he went through.
@@Tusisvrivhing yeah and he could’ve gotten his own army that challenged Daenerys that would’ve been cool
@@Whitehotforever1_ And he could get his own dragon.
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Amo quando os criadores de conteúdo sobre Asoiaf não agem que nem os personagens deslumbrados que mal conheceram o Rhaegar.
Can anyone let me know if Targaryens are powerful with dragons how come they ruled for 170 years after the dance of dragons
Because the targaryens have ruled for 100 years at that point and there dynasty was solidified , they also came from a long age of peace with jeharyes and visarys to overthrow the targaryens would be to revert back to the age of 7 independent kingdoms where they fought eachother all the time and nobody wanted that .
@@thatoneblackdude3333 may be some points are correct but they are capable isn't it with out dragons. All support blackfrye rebellion too for Targaryens
@@anilkumar-hm3xj ? Could you say that again I didn't quite understand your comment
I really wish we could get a Roberts rebellion full scale limited animated series
Is there lore of the years between Danny's birth and when we meet them in Pentos to show in intricate details what Viserys is like.
Viserys and Rhaegar remind me of Laurent and Auguste from Captive Prince 🤩😆
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I think the Mad King kept terrorizing his wife causing the miscarriages.
Idk about that. Aerys wasn't insane when Rhaella had her first miscarriages. It's written that he comforted her. As he became more and more delusional, he started blaming her for the miscarriages and acting in sadistic and paranoid ways toward her. Dany was conceived in rape after Aerys murdered Rickard and Brandon Stark, and Rhaella's pregnancy did result in a live birth. She didn't leave KL until she was heavily pregnant, so probably in her late 2nd or 3rd trimester. I'm not saying Aerys wasn't a horrifically awful husband, but I don't think he was responsible for Rhaella's miscarriages.
Can’t wait for House of the Dragon S2 and my interest in GOT lore to be reignited
Rhaegar ❤
Rhaegar on his way to commit yet another unspeakably dumb act for the sake of some vague-ass prophecy.
Audios too loud can you turn it back
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Fucking knew I wasn’t crazy! Had service and everything! Was in the car listening so I thought my shit was messing up. Restarted my phone and everything 😂
Dw we have his son aegon. The very clone of rhaegar
Viserys deserved better.
Yeah! A great character with so much potential, if only he was written a bit differently and wasn't gone by the end of the first season/book. Really a missed opportunity.
Jon snow seems similar to him. He’s a bastard so he always seems sad and frustrated with life. He didn’t no the prophecy but once he saw the white walkers he became obsessed with making allies to survie the long night. He also felt like he had to be the hero like rhaegar.
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Also I’m not going to argue that Viserys wasn’t a little nutty but I will say that his madness was more warranted and predictable than Aerys considering his life
If I was in GOT I would have
Rebelled against Visereys
Rhaegar was so dumb taking Lyanna who was only daughter of Rickard and was promised to Robert Baratheon. It was obvious that it would cause rebellion. him being obsessed with prophecy also ruined his family he should have stayed with Ellia and maybe he could have became king and his wife and children would be alive. Danny and Viserys would not suffer. If he knew the third head of dragon was his little sister Danny
Rhaegar has to be the biggest ass canoe in the whole story. He plunged what was left of his family into war and death. Forcing his two siblings to flee one being an infant and the other a small boy who had to take on responsibilities as an adult. But Viserys blaming Dany for their mother’s death was right it’s actually cruel. He left out the part where their father was cruel to her, raped and abused her. But Rhaegar took the cake and people call Rhaenyra children bastards but disregard Rhaegar like he didn’t leave his sick wife that almost died giving him two children for a dirty Northern girl. Jon is still a bastard and I don’t believe Dorne would have allowed that disrespect that would have been a war on its on. There’s pieces missing because it isn’t mathing
Rhaegar and Leanna were married before Jon was born. So he never was a bastard.
I doubt Rhaeghar thought taking Lyanna would cause a full scale rebellion and honestly the war only started because Brandon Stark the dumbest man in the 7 kingdoms rocking up to the mad kings house demanding Rhaeghar to come out and die
@@smdrn66 did you forget Rhaegar first wife? Obviously you did. HE LEFT HIS FIRST WIFE WHO WAS ALREADY SICK FOR ANOTHER WOMAN. I highly doubt a separation was a thing in those days. By all means Jon is still a BASTARD. He already had two children in lie for the Throne. He plugged the rest of his already DYING FAMILY LINE into war. Rhaegar was the cause for the war and as much as I dislike Robert for what he did but he was justified. Everyone that has a hard on for Jon disregards him being a full fledged bastard and who died for him to be born. Children were murdered brutally for Rhaegar to fulfill the prophecy that was already in motion. Dany is the Princess that was promised. Rhaegar two other children were murdered and his wife was raped and then murdered. Robert should have been told who Jon was conceived by and he should have been killed.
@@smdrn66and what of Elia Martell? Annulling their marriage (which would be a VERY hard thing to do as they had children already) would make their kids bastards. Would Dorne stand to have her Aegon be usurped for whatever son Lyanna has? Either way, Rhaegar was one stupid man.
@@smdrn66 that's a show only thing and even if true nobody would view that as legitimate given rhagar is already married and his marriage with lyanna wouldn't be seen as legitimate till she died so yea .
I'm starting to think Dany really is a phony. I was rereading a chapter with her in the Vaes Dothrak market when she shows her Khas spiced sausages and inquires about 'honey-fingers'.
She says that "as a child" (she's still a child), she'd always play in the market and never have enough money for honey-fingers.
What kind of princess that's being hunted by assassins goes to play in a crowded market with a bunch of other filthy street urchins who are too broke to afford a drop of honey fried in gutter oil?
I love that more people are waking up to how disturbing and disasterous Rhaegar was
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Rhaegar Targaryen 🐉 smashed Lyanna 🐺 sweet cheeks Dragon style
Yeah, and it only cost his family, his Dynasty, the lives of thousands of innocent people and the stability of the 7 kingdom's for a time...
@@thalmoragent9344 not true his son Aegon saved the entire 7 kingdoms from the undead because his father smashed Lyannas sweet cheeks
@@surgesurge6302 Jon didn't save anything in the book. He died by his own man hand.