Who Would Be Tsar of Russia Today? | Romanov Family Tree
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Chart & Narration: Matt Baker
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Animation: Syawish Rehman
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Audio Editing: Jack Rackam
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Intro music: "Lord of the Land" by Kevin MacLeod and licensed under Creative Commons Attribution license 4.0.
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I really want a tiny artificial island in the Mediterranean with some old guy on it yelling "I AM THE EMPEROR OF RUSSIA"
I'm just surprised there *are* international waters in the med. I assumed it was small enough for the bordering countries to have adjoining national waters...
that technically exists, a Russian businessman bought a small island off of Africa a few years ago, claiming it for the Russian Empire
That moment your grandpa is friends with the only claiment left that ticks all the boxes
I like this idea, but I think that other guy should be king
Me too! I'm really surprised a Caribbean Island doesn't offer the throne just for the tourism value.
I was born in Finland. My grandfather, born in 1895 (Finland was back then a Grandutchy of Russia), lived and served in the army quite near the Russian border, and for reasons I have never known, got some of the furniture of the Romanovs, including a piano, which my family then gave to a local museum.
I remember for instance the chairs, all of them carrying the Romanov seal underneath. They have always fascinated me very much, and God knows where these items have ended up after my grandparents died.
Major world history mixed up with little personal stories.
How many chairs? 12? 😝
Your last phrase is great, man!
@Gladiator Max6 it's an inside joke only Russians (and ex soviet citizens) would understand, also it would be rather lame to explain it.
that kinda makes sense. A lot of descents from tsar family were escaping from soviets, that's how a bunch of stuff ended up in different countries.
you know, in Yekaterinburg the Romanovs had a piano in the house there where they were staying, which was confiscated before they were murdered..
What I find crazy is that there have been multiple impostors pretending to be Princess Anastasia, which were apparently so notable that they made an animated movie about the whole thing. Fun fact: Anastasia's name comes from the Greek word for "resurrection," which sort of makes the idea of her having impostors somewhat more justified.
I am King James, Am I a imposter? Being King and being recognized is two different things. You are what they want you to be, Equal.
Imposters claiming to be long lost "murdered" princes or princesses is a very common theme in history and the Russian example is far from being unique -even in Russian history in the time of troubles we have the "False Dmitri" claiming to be the son of Ivan the Terrible and justifying the Polish invasion of Russia - in English history as well we have numerous examples - individuals claiming to be the murdered "princes in the Tower" and trying to overthrow the rule of king Henry VII - it's happened so often that you could call it a historical "meme."
@@kaloarepo288 good point, I know the False Dmitry stories and never made the connection, but I just think it’s a bit uncanny that it happened to a little girl whose name means “born again” (putting Jesus aside)
@@kitcutting "Anastasia" in Greek actually means "resurrected." -male form is "Anastasius" -the resurrected one (Jesus.)
she would be 122 years old by now, so time for impostors was over a long time ago.
I have had the privilege of seeing/visiting the palace where Grand Duchess Olga lived in St. Petersburg after she married Peter of Oldenberg, and the house where shed died in utter poverty in Toronto, very near to where I live. She bore her greatly reduced circumstances with grace and dignity.
The home where Grand Duchess died is 716 Gerrard Street East, Toronto. I have made a pilgrimage there on the anniversary of her death.
@@davidobrien8349 unfortunately now it's because chinese neighborhood.
Concept of Royal family is outdated
@@turuus5215 Never will be
Her final residence was certainly reduced circumstances from her start. How the mighty fall! Of course, I'm descended from the English Plantagenet line, the Stuart Scottish line, and I'm descended from Philip "The Bold" king of France, and all that ancestry won't even get me a cup of coffee. 😕
“And she is recognized by the Russian Orthodox Church” that’s literally the only thing that matters
This
Karl Emich is the only one making an effort to be a head of state, that's gotta count for something
@@iamdigory Yes. If you build a new Empire and Crown yourself, you're it. I'm sure that at least one Priest could be found to sanctify the ceremony. There always seems to be at least one historically, lol.
@@_Abjuranax_ Actually, only a bishop would be able to perform the rite.
@@grigoriitorkel2485 Sorry, but you are probably correct. It has been awhile since I have Crowned myself Emperor, and I may have forgot, lol.
"this is not an easy question"
Bolsheviks: *THAT'S THE POINT*
LMFAOO
That's real. They killed them and their children so no one could claim the throne
Yup, exactly. And people play right into that by getting too hung up on the 'rules', which OBVIOUSLY can and have changed in history. Even having a dynasty is an arbitrary choice. The Byzantine Roman empire had no dynasty but instead had a system of appointing successors. The Romanovs are done, they will not be reinstated. One look at this Maria woman, and it is obvious :)
LOL 😅🤣 true tho
@peter smythe oh my days man😂😂😂😂😂
My grandpa submitted DNA for a Y-Chromosome Genealogy testing project. They were able to up his genetic marker count recently and were running both it and several other samples. My grandpa shares a distant male ancestor with the Romanov family. DNA testing is pretty cool like that.
💖
how distant exactly?
@@marcusaurelius4941 I'm unsure. I'd have to ask my mom, since she's the one who keeps up with that.
From my maternal great Great grandmother I also have a very distant Romanov ancestry, ill have to do a DNA test tho to see who it is.
And then you woke up
Very interesting, educational and fun! Thank you so much for sharing it with everybody on the web.
"Most of the photos of the Russian imperial family you've seen were taken by my cousins-thrice-removed-in-law" is the best flex I've heard in a while
By the way, all of the family, especially the children, of N II had one common hobby - photography.
George V was not born to be king. His elder brother, the Duke of Clarence, died at the age of 28. The notorious Duke of Clarence.
@@tinadooley6135 I think maybe you replied to the wrong comment, lol. Great info though
@@zozzy4630
Sorry about that lol!!
This made me laugh! :)
Royal families have demonstrated an ability to adapt when they are close to running out of royal heirs. When the rules don't work anymore, they simply change the rules.
To be fair, the rules are usually set so that brothers, uncles, and sons all didn't start murdering each other every time the king dies. Big army diplomacy could overwrite that but opening that can of worms is usually a bad idea. Succession laws aren't suicide pacts after all.
@@brianboru2762 Well the rules have to change now. If the non morganatic marriage is still apart of the rules then in like 50 years there will be zero remaining Romanov candidates.
Exactly imagine an Empire being abolished because there were no "male heirs" like how does that matter?? If you have a daughter let her be the Queen at least your empire will carry on 🤦♂️
Stupid video it would be one of the kids descendants of the last Tsar. Just like Many royals where not previously murder, laws ignored and monarch denied their crown! the current british royals would not be the ones scrounging off the public in such ways on on old aged pensions!
@@harryy7918 When that happens a new council decides on the new dynasty line
I really love the details you add and how well you describe something that is rather complex; genealogy is difficult. I also really loved your little personal tidbit information that's very neat.
Thanks for a fascinating video. I fully agree with you on who is the best candidate - your argument of why was what I was thinking myself while listening to your video.
If the micronation island takes off then Russia will be the only nation in the world that is simultaneously the largest in the world AND the smallest.
It's already the only one that is the largest.
depends how big they make it.
@@uriargaman7241 Yes, but if we get an 'Empire of Russia' as a microstate, Russia will be the ONLY nation in the world to claim the title 'Largest and Smallest Nation in the World At the Same Time'.
@@jbshiva865 Except they plan to call it "Romanov Empire" not "Russia"
Would this be like Galt’s Gulch?
I too have my own indirect link to the Tsar & his family. A great-aunt of mine (who was the same age as Anastasia), was from the gardener family for the family. I grew up hearing first-hand stories of what the girls were like, particularly Anastasia, whom my great-aunt played with as kids. My great-aunt use to light up when she talked about her time growing up with the Romanovs. Never once said a single thing to disparage them as people, even Nicholas, she always spoke well of him as a great family man.
it's a shame they all had to be executed
@@bittersweet3469 They didn't 'have to be executed'.
They were murdered by political thugs.
@@ErenThorne They tried to run, but they didn't have anywhere to go
@@ladyjanegrey1671 he didn't try shit
@@ErenThorne Do some more research.
Thanks for the upload! That's a very interesting question!
The question itself is really easy to answer, it is Andrew though it gets much much harder when you start thinking about who would be after Andrew and this video is basically all about that. Well made!
Note to self: Ask your next girlfriend about her great grandfather's cousins.
@Sim Nik No, girl-friend must be from a noble family of equal rank - preferably still ruling.
Dude I straight up clicked this video cause my girlfriends family descends from the Russian tsar!
There’s an adoption up the line so it wouldn’t count but a man can still dream
@@chrisanschau8169 So you support your girlfriend to become Russian tsar
@@patp3634 what are you the KGB?
UPDATE: I passed my exam lmao and then I went and got a 511 on my MCAT thanks y’all 😂❤️ (also, I’m not a pharmacist. I’m in undergrad)
Me, should be studying for my pharmacology exam: I wonder who would be the current Tsar of Russia? 🧐
You never know, it might come in handy 🤷♀️😉
This is me for law school
How was the exam finally? :)
that's the problem with youtube
@@Delfini29 i get an aproved, so yeah i was scared
Wow that's really interesting - thanks for the video!
I purchased two of your charts (both excellent) ERFT - NE & ERFT - W. It would be informative to have a chart showing who the present day heirs are for the Houses of Hohenzollern (Germany/Prussia, Romania) , House of Hapsburg (Austria Hungary) and for the House of Bourbon (France) .
For Austria & HaBsburg (not sure why Murricans always say Hapsburg) it's Karl. A loser and repeated failure businessman, who finally managed to turn a profit by renting accomodation to the government for the "refugee" wave of 2015 and afterwards.
For Hohenzollern it is Georg Friedrich Prinz von Preussen
I have done my DNA and I do not need to lie about who I am. Always remember King James loves all, not just a select few.
The French and Russian royal families are in dispute as to who the rightful ruler is.
Last time I was this early, Nicholas ii was getting tattoos in Japan
Bruh
He was specifically getting his lips tattooed by Ainu women on the Kuril Islands
And his head was sliced off
And he wanted milk and snuggles before he went to bed
@@habsburgsenederlanden6278 Now more than ever
This channel helped me to decide on studying History in Uni. I was like "If I am sitting here watching long history videos for fun, then why not get a degree in History?" so thanks! lol.
I did similar after falling in love with doing family genealogy!
I'm studying now for my teachers certification Social Studies 7-12.
Emack, what a testament to someone who influenced you, through his channel, into a major life course! I am surprised you never received a reply to your comment.
Some body sprad Rong information about Romanov family.
Roman family been separated bat not killed
Bolsheviks propaganda
Alexei having a dohgter and she lives in Los Angeles she is 62 eyes old.
If Alexis II had a daughter, she would be born in 30s or early 40s
That's a very cool video ! Based on the information I have received I'm rooting for Maria. And based on the pictures she's the one with most royal aura.
You seem to be confusing nobles (Maria's mother was Princess Bagration) and royals. A non-morganatic marriage in this case would mean it was between two royals, not nobles. Nobles were considered commoners by royalty. Both Princess Diana and Queen Elizabeth, the Queen Mother, were commoners even though both were daughters of earls. Emperor Alexander II's 2nd marriage was morganatic even though his wife was a princess: she was from a noble family, not royal family.
I never understood why if Paul I changed the rules of succession, a later Emperor couldn't change it back.
Grand Duke Kirill's wife was not German. She was the ex-wife of Ernest of Hesse and by Rhine, but was the daughter of Alfred, Duke of Edinburgh (2nd son of Queen Victoria) and Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna of Russia (daughter of Alexander II and sister of Kirill's father).
Not sure how you came to the decision that 'Kirill' was pronounced 'Kayrill'.
*Keereel.
Exactly, at some point you have to think that these misponounciations are to smear dirt over our language and culture, like it's obviously not pronounced with an "a".
Cyril or Kirill. And you are right.
@@mrsauceman5721 considering the lack of anything anti-Russian in previous videos and the presenters mispronounciation of other names etc it's more likely an error rather than a deliberate smear of you and your fellow Russians.
Yeah, my ears are still bleeding from that.
Maria has a son in Spain, and Maria's husband is a Prince of the Hohenzollern family, therefore making their son, George Mikhailovich Romanov, the great great grandson of Kaiser Wilhelm II. I think Maria and George have very strong claims to the House of Romanov. However, I'm not sure if George has any heirs of his own. I don't even think he's married and he's 39, so there's a chance the line might die with him.
assuming he doesn't die anytime soon, being 39 and single does not mean that you can't/won't have children with a spouse at some point
@@woody4077 Prince Albert II of Monaco was 54 when he got married and had kids, ignoring his bastards, George could get a young wife like him.
@@yourfake915 YUPE
@@donijaya "easier said then done" to quote a cliche
Mara & George are working with the Orthodox church toward changing the rules to allow non-royals to marry into the family and their descendants to be able to succeed. If they go this route, I suspect the entirely of the family will cry foul! But George has a girlfriend he wants to marry. She recently converted to Orthodoxy, and Maria is looking for a way to make that happen.
I have enjoyed watching this, and your narration
You have done some in depth study. I love the way you presented the family pedigree by highlighting the lines of succession. You made following the lineage easy to follow. Thank you!
Kirill lost all rights to the throne when he declared his loyalty to the provisional government right before the addiction of Nicholas II. He broke his sworn oath to the crown, therefore he and his entire line are disqualified.
Further, Kirill married Victoria Melita without permission of the tsar, they were first cousins and they were not married in a Russian Orthodox Church. Pauline Law was breached on three different counts on this marriage. This resulted in Kirill being banished from Russia (temporarily) and removed from succession. His name was stricken off the list. Nicholas later forgave Kirill for this marriage and reinstated him, however Kirill was NOT reinstated in the church records as being back in the succession line. Therefore, Kirill was not a legitimate claimant for two very good reasons. Thus, his son Vladimir and granddaughter the current Maria would have lost their succession rights as well due to Krill's violations. This branch are not legitimate claimants.
Glad you said that, absolutely hate kiril
The Romanovs illegally seized the throne. The end of the family was a natural payment for the murders and the seizure of power. A separate topic is that they actively mixed blood with the German Kaisers. As a result, the Romanovs were not Russians by blood or spirit. The overthrow of the Germans from the throne was a matter of time.
Lenin seized the throne by conquest, overruling and ending any Romanov claim to the succession.
@@IrkinsEselsior o come on, so you think British royalty has British blood? They acted smart and hence were spared and continued to rule, but they are not stupid enough to allow traitors to become claimant to throne, look at Edward 3
@@IrkinsEselsior the Romanovs INHERITED the throne their end was them being WRONGFULLY SLAUGHTERED and you’re clearly wishing you’re them
Talking about Grand Duches Maria's claims to russian crown, there's one not too well known, but technically quite essential detail. When her grandfather, Grand Duke Kirill, proclaimed himself emperor in exile, he decided to forgot one quiete significant episode from 1917 - the fact that in February 1917 he recognized the Provisional Government and nd the February Revolution BEFORE the abdication of Nicholas and his brother Mikhail. By that according to the laws of Russian Empire Grand Duke Kirill committed high treason and lost all possible rights to the throne.
Agree, Grand Duke Kirill always hide his actions during 1917 and clearly goes against Nicholas. With that, he lose all his rights
Isn't it up to the monarch to decide what counts as treason?
@@dawnfire82 Yes and no: yes, final word belongs to monarch (but only in absolute monarchy), no - some general things (like participating in an uprising against monarch) that will be considered terason by anyone sane are written in laws and determined by them. Basically a word of an absolute monarch is a law, but since making all laws anew with every new monarch is impractical, they write down words of his preceedors and the new monarch also recognises them as laws.
maybe he tried to save what N did not manage - a good intetion
Didn’t his father Kirill pardon him and make him his heir?
Idk if you already have a video of the House of Saxe-Coburg & Gotha, but I really want one. In some point of the history they were in almost every great marriage of their time.
England, Russia, Brazil, etc
It's quite interesting
A simple search would've confirmed that 🙄
@@vincenttt8289 sorry, I don't have as much time free as you seem to have. This kind of content is just the one I consume for relax, because I find it interesting.
If I had time to make comments that would help no one, I would definitely use it tl find more contet I find interesting instead.
Have a good day.
@vincenttt Uh... it will still be very interesting to see an in-depth visual representation of how such a minor German House grew to be so prolific in Europe, so no, a simple Google search isn't enough
..aren't their claim that had a house in Sachen, only nothing else: no holdings?
What do I inherit if they keep changing my name? Nothing. Maybe I am not the only one. Help me find my money and you will be rewarded greatly. Hmm.
Great video and I love your personal connection :-)
In 1991 I think it was, Vladimir and his grandson visited his birthplace in Porvoo, Finland. His parents had fled Russia in a horse drawn sleigh over the frozen waters and sought refuge at a friend’s manor house just outside the town. This place is today a famous hotel, spa, and restaurant and Vladimir could stay in the actual house of this birth. At the time my husband and I owned and managed the local radio station. Vladimir granted us an interview! So we spent a very nice afternoon with them at the manor. Vladimir was a gentle and soft spoken man, who loved his people and his greatest wish was to visit mother Russia. And later he got to do that! He told us about being raised as a future tsar, and his grandson was being educated in the same manner. He had no interest to rule and dominate, he just wanted to be an inspiring father figure to his people ...
Nice little story there! Don't suppose you have any recording of this?
his daughter and his grandson do not speak Russian ((
What a wonderful story Marina. Let's hope they can work it out by majority votes for the next person to take on the roll of Head of the House of Romanov. They have seen enough turmoil for more infighting. And in my opinion it does not necessarily need to be a male
An interesting and touching story.
May I ask, are you talking about the haikko manor spa hotel in porvoo ?
Very lovely story! :)
He: what if Russia wants to be a monarchy again...
Meanwhile Putin: Yes😏
He is going to abdicate prettty soon
In a way you could call Putin the unofficial Czar currently but he's not of royalty yeah;))
Royalty and kings rest on political strength and an army to back it. Putin has that and doesn't need decadent aristocracy to back him.
@@robertoa.m.3984 True you have a point there you could call him a modern Czar if you will which he is he will rule till his death all that's missing is the crown and that can be arrainged yeah:))
now their's a job for Rachael
Since the revolution was a shock of great magnitude, comparable to the The Time of Troubles (Smuta) in Russia from 1598 to 1612, I believe that the search for candidates for the throne among the members of the deposed House of Romanov should be stopped. In my opinion, a new Zemsky Sobor should be held - a procedure during which the Romanov dynasty was brought to the throne, and a new ruling dynasty should be elected on it.
There is another option: technically, we can use the precedent that took place after the suppression of the line of Tsar Ivan the Terrible, when power passed to the next oldest branch of the Rurikovich - Shuisky. From this, for example, it follows that technically the next oldest clan, the Odoevskiye, should have become tsars, but it was cut short in 1869. There are quite a lot of princely families descending from Rurik, and if you wish, you can establish which of the currently existing branches is the first in seniority at the moment.
By the way, this is a rather interesting topic, I suggest the author of the channel to make a video about it.
Автор канала, скорее всего, так далеко не копал и не собирается 😅
This is so insanely interesting!! Very cool!
Your chart is actually missing Grand Duchess Olga, Czar Nicholas II youngest sister. She survived and had 2 sons, whether her next of kin wanted and could’ve ruled is another matter, but you should’ve included her and her own lineage too.
I was tried to find her on the chart while I'm listening👍
Yes. And she had two sons. But she married a commoner. And the sons were from this marriage
@@peppersghosttheater well, ya - but don't forget, we decided to get rid of the Pauline rule! So they're cool! And from another vid I watched on Olga, she raised those boys right. I'm voting for one of them! Oops - I guess my vote doesn't count...
@@lee.m.506 I think the Pauline rule was still in place then and it's not retroactive. I hear you though. Where were they when she died. Any information I saw was she died alone ?
@@peppersghosttheater I don’t know. I wish I knew. I’d like to read and find out about her sons and hopefully they had children of their own. To my knowledge, Grand Duchess Olga was under the care of friends of hers when she passed. Perhaps, her kids are in Canada or Denmark?
I had the opportunity to talk to Prince Paul Ilyinsky in the late-90s and asked if he ever considered himself an heir to the throne. He said he never thought much about it and more often thought about his time as a Marine Lt Colonel, because that was what he was more proud of. He seemed like a cool guy and was super nice to this inquisitive teen.
His mother was a commoner already an American veteran with children. No one in the ROC called on him. He was Mayor of Palm Beach, FL
U.S. Marines?
Andrew Romanoff did marry the daughter of a nobleman. His first wife was Elena Konstantinovna Durnova, daughter of Konstantin Afanasievich Durnova. The family of Durnova is a noble family name from Russia so a claim could be made that she is nobility as well even if it goes back a few generations. Since Andrew Romanoff died in 2021. His position as head of the Romanoff family could go to his only son with Elena, Alexis Andreevich Romanov.
Additionally Kirill and all his descendants are barred from the throne due to betraying Nicholas and the throne to revolutionaries.
Our family have a photo album of our fore-bearers enjoying a summer holiday with the Romanov’s at one of their palaces.
It is so tragic what happened to this family,
Ballz. The tragedy lay in how their people lived under their despotic rule. They reaped what they sowed.
cry bourgoise
maybe the children was a sad case, certainly not the tsar or his bitch wife
@@trevorleclerc602 They were not despots, they were careless and naive, made a lot of bad decisions, but the amount of hurt they caused is nothing compared to what Lenin and Stalin caused.
@@99EKjohn what? Are the rulers of the Empire, the largest country on the planet, naive? Do you really think so? Well, if they were really naive, given their status, then it's good that they were overthrown before they finally ruined the country and lost everything that their ancestors and people worked so hard to create.
but in general, I think they were rather stubborn conservatives and did not want to change to a changing world. for which they paid the price
my mother lost an original picture of the last Tsar family, which was brought by my great grandmother. cried a whole ass river
😢❤️
Omg that’s so sad and unfortunate. That would’ve been so expensive
thats really sad but B I S E X U A L F R O G
@@frederickthegreat4801 LMAOOO IT'S A CAT NOT A FROG BUT YES HAHSHD
@@froyodor LMAOO I THOUGHT IT WAS A FROG SORRY
Xenia would be poetic af given her father was involved in killing Rasputin lol
I can actually tell you a thing about it! In September I was in St. Petersburg, at the Yusupovs' museum-palace, where her grandfather lived, who participated in the murder of Rasputin. EVERY literally EVERY visitor, is told how Xenia, just arriving at the museum, found out that she was involved in this family. I doubt if this is completely true, but the story is interesting.
It wasn’t her Xenia husband that was involved in murdering Rasputin. Xenia‘s daughter’s husband that was involved
@@jenniferspencer1802 Ohh did I make a mistake there? I always thought of it wrong then, I will have to check. Thanks for pointing it out!
@богатырь Росси́я wasn't Rasputin manipulating a woman desperate to save her son?
The original Xenia's daughters husband, and the father of the current Xenia. Irina's husband.
Your family connections to Tzars are so cool!
Great video. Thanks!
I actually met and had dinner with The Grand Duchess Maria in 1994 in Madrid! Her son was also there and at the time Boris Yeltsin had recognised her and her son as the rightful heirs as other family members also were claimants. This lady was very regal and her English, Spanish and French were flawless. She told me many stories about European royalty. One story was of the funeral of the King of Norway where she was relegated to a room for defunct royals and therefore was ignored by our own Prince Phillip which amused and annoyed her as they are related. It was a surreal evening but we had quite a few Johnny Walkers and soda and she was great fun but so interesting and she hoped that her son would eventually become Tsar again.
Wow, you'd think Phillip would be more sympathetic since he was also from a defunct royal house
Most royals don’t consider her royal and look at her claim as weak. Prince Philip is the nephew of the last empress
Lucky you 😄
Philip's great aunts were Empress Alexandra and Grand Duchess Elizabeth (Sergei) who were both killed by the Bolsheviks. That probably colored his feelings about those who survived the massacres.
Although Maria's paternal grandmother was Victoria Melita of Edinburgh and Saxe-Coburg-Gotha and thus a British princess, the Kyril branch was never close to the BRF. Kyril's niece was Marina, Duchess of Kent who married a British prince in 1936. (Queen Mary bought the Vladimir tiara from the children of her grandmother Grand Duchess Vladimir who died 1920).
I think the Bagrations (Georgian ruling house) and the Dadianis (Mingrelia) were not regarded as equal by the mostly German ruling houses reigning 1800-1918. Again, that might have influenced how Maria was viewed by the BRF. Unfair but the Romanovs (1800-1946) never treated these former ruling houses as equals even though Tatiana, a great-granddaughter of Nicholas I, was allowed to marry a Bagration prince just before the First World War. But no Rusdian grand duke or prince was alliwed to marry a Georgian or Rurikid or Gedyminid (Lithuanian origin) princess. Or a Tatar origin princess either.
I don't think I have ever seen photos of British royals interacting in public with the Romanov descendants. Nicholas II's sister Xenia and her children and grandchildren were largely ignored as well. Xenia was George V's first cousin too. I remember reading about Xenia's grandson Andrew (the 97 year old) being told off by phone for playing in the Frogmore gardens while the York princesses were there. I suspect they were treated as poor relations which they now were.
To summarize, the BRF distanced itself from the Romanovs since 1917. I doubt that Maria Vladimorovna has been invited to BRF events. But the former reigning dynasties of Romanians, Bulgarians, Yugoslavs/Serbs, and Greeks were all represented at Philip's memorial service on 29th March. Margarita of Romania (granddaughter of Helen of Greece, a first cousin of Philip), Alexander of Yugoslavia (son of a first cousin Alexandra of Greece), Kyril of Bulgaria (son of a distant cousin Simeon II), Anne-Marie of the Hellenes (her husband Constantine II, son of a first cousin Paul/Pavlos I of the Hellenes) with two sons and their wives. But the BRF doesn't invite the Prussian royals or Habsburgs either.
@@shinjineesen400 Well Dadianis were dukes- nobles, not royals. Bagrations were a royal dynasty though.
Georgian House of Bagrationi looks pretty interesting. I hope there will be a video about it soon.
its not in the chart tho so im not sure
@@user-wr6zw1zg3q This is very interesting to read. I know little about the Georgian history, and given that you are a neighbour, it is not something to be proud of. Is there any serious political movement for a future restoration of the Bagrationi monarchy?
Vraisment, Merci d'avoir expliqué ces lignées aux personnes qui se soucient encore de l'histoire. Il est assez important de connaître les têtes couronnées d'Europe et d'ailleurs.
Very interesting. Thank you.
Who would be Tsar of Russia today?
TNO Players: :)
Where is Alexei!!?
Rurik II of course
Vladimir I Putin
Hail our blessed regent
*Cursed clocks start playing*
Kirill marched with the revolutionaries in 1917, wearing a red band on his arm when Nicholas was overthrown, he was a coup, he hoped to be appointed by the provisional government as the new Czar.
Nicholas's mother disapproved of Kirill, and claimed that he was expelled from the line of succession along with his descendants for high treason to Emperor Nicholas II.
Maria has already given many statements where she despises Nicholas II and her children, when she hears the exhumation of the bodies recently, they called her to attend a ceremony, she did not want to go, saying that the last reigning Emperor was not of her family.
She doesn't even care about the legacy of the last Emperor, just like her grandfather Kirill and great-grandfather Vladimir, she has her eye only on the crown.
Vladimir always envied Alexander III and his descendants, Vladimir and Kirill considered themselves more worthy than Nicholas.
There are several texts relating to this ambition of the Vladimir lineage
could you share the information
„...was forced to abdicate..“ Lol
He was murdered, along with his wife and 5 children
He abdicated to a democratic government, they didn't execute them. That government was couped and civil war started with totalitarian communist government executing the whole family.
Hello, You explain well matters which usually can get confusing. Here is still a suggestion to make your presentations even better: When somebody looks at your genealogical charts on a regular size smartphone the individual images of persons and their names are in fact close to indistinguishable. This is a pitty. You can please explore how to zoom into the larger picture to make the portrait photo of the person you just talk about much larger and many viewers very happy. I am sure there is a way to do the zoom effect with a bit of additional effort. One way can be that you simply include a cut out image of the genealogical tree each time you talk about a particular person long enough.
I will now have a look at your other videos.
P.S. in this video you could have mentioned just for general information, that with Peter the Great having children with a former communer and house maid the rule of morganatic or not was at the discretion of the Tsar. Therefore all claimants to the throne who followed are supposed to be the descendants of a woman who started as a maid and not much is known about her ancestry. Maybe you can also explore a bit the situation created by the designation of Michael by his older brother in 1917 in the abdication text. The ensuing decision of Michael to "let the people vote for a Tsar" is indeed still a valid legal act. 100% up to now. Because the Provisional Government of Russia was based on the free decision of Michael to sign that document in 1917 to let the People of Russia decide. Kerenski maybe tried to outsmart everybody, but this doesn't change the fact that Michael's decision was rightful and legal. (Not to forget that even Nikolas II and his family lived under the regime of the Provisional Government). Michael got his power from the Tsar who is supposed to have this position through God, and Michael who was more down to Earth in the approach gave his People a time to make choices about the future. The criminal Gang of Lenin overthrow the ailing legitimate Provisional Government and everything that followed is only founded on this illegal toppling in 1917 of the last 100 % legitimate Regime (Kerenski & Co) . Including the USSR and Russian Federation today which are fruits and descendants of the Lenin coup and not of the last Tsar's rightful decisions. To restaure full "rights" according to the former Monarchy, the Plebiscite wanted by Michael, sabotaged by the Bolchevics should take place. And in such a free voting for monarchy or not or whatever, the question who is going to be the next Tsar or Tsarina is also a choice to be made by the People.
Useful Charts can you do Who be King of Romania today if Romania decided to restore its monarchy
That's very easy actually, the last king of Romania died in 2017 and the leader of the house is his elder daughter Margaret
It’s explained in the “Who would be king of Canada?” video.
@@johanpeturdam I remember in that video he mentioned that Romania "chose" to abolish their monarchy in 1948, when in reality there was a violent military coup and it became a communist dictatorship.
@@arthurmiguel4983 Doesnt King Micheal have a son
@@arthurmiguel4983 a video will still be nice 🙂
*Make a video of the Kingdom of Georgia and the Bagrationi dynasty until today*
that would be interesting. Seems the Bagrationi house split in three centuries ago, but recently a man from one line married a woman from another, thus effectively reuniting the two most senior lines. The head of the Orthodox Church in Georgia is even calling for their son to be crowned King.
@@keithharper32 it would be extraordinarily interesting to see Georgia restore its monarchy
Was a time the georgia was bighest than germany. When georgia was ruled by. king david 4 builder
It should be the oldest ruling dyasty/line in Europe, the Bagrationis have connections to some ancient Persian dynasties according to CK atleast
That would be interesting.
Fascinating!
My maternal grandfather was a Fredericks/Freedericksz/Фредерикс (spelled several ways depending on how whichever branch of the family wanted to spell it and which country they lived in) who was the last Minister of the Imperial Court of Russia. Count Fredericks/Freedericksz/Фредерикс was his cousin. Buried in Finland. SUOMI
wut
If I had to drop either morganatic rule or male-line rule, I would probably drop morganatic rule which seems to be a very late introduction to succession concepts. I doubt the original rulers of Russia, the Rurikids would care much about the nobility of the mother. Some of them were even born to concubines. But they were concerned about the male-line. Also, you can't maintain the morganatic rule forever in modern day situations but you can track male line descent easier. My personal pick would be Rostislav btw since I think being aligned with the country and having male-line descent fits more to the original concept of kingship.
the problem is that the Romanovs aren't male line descendents, and the existence of Empress Elizabeth and Empress Catherine. It makes no sense to restrict them to the male line like in France.
@@Benkenobi8118 Well they are the male line descendants of Paul and Nicholas I at least. Maria's son is a Hohenzollern so the male line decendants of a Tzar is preferable I guess.
@@arad4852 Maria's son is a Romanov, the marriage between Maria and Franz Wilhelm of Prussia was a matrilineal one. He had to leave his protestant faith, his prussian titles, etc, to become an orthodox Grand Duke of Russia. There are papers that says that the children born from the marriage would be part of the Romanov dynasty, all of this with the approval of the Patriarch. After their divorse, Franz Wilhelm took back his name and prussian titles, when he was married to her his name was "Grand Duke Mikhail Pavlovich".
@@nicks5636 All of that doesn't change the fact thay Y haplogroup of Paul the First, who created the male-line rule will be gone.
@@arad4852 Paul the First made a semi-salic succession system, if there aren't any male left or allowed to inherit the throne, then a female can become Empress.
Wow I am impressed by your wifes relationship to the official Czar's Photographer. I learned that my grandfather was the official bagpiper to the Laird of Butte, his brother Angus was the official bagpiper to Andrew Carnegie, and their father was the official bagpiper to the Clan Chief Cluny MacPherson! All these men are direct decendants of the macPherson piper who led the Clan into the Culloden battle. 1745. Family trees make history come alive.
What's up with your family and bagpipes?
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I don´t know who those Buttes, Carnegies and MacPhersons are lol
I’ve seen Mrs Maria attending a wedding last year, her son I think in Russia, on CZcams. Very powerful images to see the line continues.
Long ago sometimes in 1967 I was told by my paternal grandfather that his great grandfather was from Russia ,Somewhat linked to the Tsars. The story was my grandfather's great grandfather was forced leave the palace of the Tsar ,when surrounded by the Russians who wanted Tsar Nicholas II out. This story was hard to believe then ,till my late father told me one day that my grand father was very fond of Russian history and was living in imaginative world where he became one of the Tsars.
Who would be Tsar of Russia today?
Putin has just entered the conversation!
Looks like Putin, already been in power longer than a czar
@@lindadechiazza2924 lmao
Lol yeah probably
Putin half dictator half czar
@@richardque4952 i agree with this
Remain calm.
The Regent endures.
Alexei lives.
The Holy Russian Empire shall endure.
There is much to be done.
Hail the nightmare!
God save russia for no one else can
each clock needs to be verified, we need to work harder.
Verify your clock
Bah, there is only one true Tsar of Russia, the Tetris Tsar Vladimir the third
I thought it would take me longer to find such a comment
Interesting question, reasonably well explained...even with odd omission other commenters have referenced.
Agree about Maria! And what a cool family about your family's connection.
How utterly fascinating! Thanks for another great video! I enjoyed it very much.
I searched about the tsars before a week ago- now I'm extremely interested in russian history. It was helpful. Thanks a bunch!
GeoHistory Russia
very good work
FACTS:
1. Maria Vladimirovna's husband was a Hohenzollern (and therefore, German) prince named Franz Wilhelm Prinz von Preussen and together they had a son named George Mikhailvich before they divorced the year thereaft.
2. Franz Wilhelm was the grandson of Prince Joachim, who would have become the King of Ireland had the Central Powers won World War 1.
Me who has not listened to Anastasia (Broadway) in a very very long time : "ah yes, the princess Anastasia Romanov who lived and ran away in Paris with derek klena"
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I love how they didn’t allow women to inherit the throne when Catherine the Great was probably the greatest monarch Russia has seen.
It’s precisely because Catherine was so powerful that women could no longer inherit the throne.
It was her son Paul who implemented the strict semi-Salic succession laws. Paul and Catherine despised each other, and following Catherine’s death Paul worked very hard to undo her accomplishments.
That included implementing a succession law that would ensure that no powerful woman would ever be able to become a powerful Empress, and achieve what Catherine did, ever again.
@@XenonFae Ah, the egos of powerful men... :D
@@strange144 She was a bad mother so his son has the very right to hate her.
@@chl8760 It doesn't matter what kind of mother she was to him since she was a good mother to all the Russians. He had a right to hate her as a son, but had no right to undo her accomplishments as a ruler
Catherine II was not a natural mother of Paul. Paul rose to the throne as a regent according to the Byzantine procedure of adopted ruller. Therefore it was never known who the father of Paul was since Peter III was killed in the palace revolt and the the widower Sofia Charlotta has never remarried again living the only child, later known as Count Alexey Bobrinskiy.
The video really sounds like some kind of audio files used in IELTS or English-related exams :)
You are correct in your choice of Maria for head of the Romanov’s. Her mother is of Royal blood just as the Romanov’s. Many royal families keep their titles when in exile so loosing land or not being in Russia does not disqualify her any more than Alexander being forced to abdicate for his mistakes.
They kind of sort of have a CZAR today: Vladimir I of the House of Putin
Lol
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Exactly
Lol very good!
As a russian i can confirm
This was so fun to watch and wonder "what if!?" Thank you for putting these together.
fascinating.
My great great grandfather was also a European Jewish artist that migrated to Ellis island, he was the official cabinet maker to the Tsar’s Family!
I've been obsessed with the Romanovs since I was 9. This is amazing. And to hear a Romanov lives in the same state as me made my heart skip a beat.
Terrible to think they let themselves be killed because self-defense was below them
@@elasticharmony They deserved it for being complacent to the suffering of the people.
I am semi-obsessed to,I still am not convinced Ann Anderson was not Anastasia. even with the so-called DNA test,
@@VBeef907 The children deserved to be murdered in cold blood?
@@elasticharmony How are u going to defend yourself with guns and boyanetts?
Happy New Year Matt and family, can't think of a better way to start the year than watching your vids
This I found very interesting. I think I agree with the conclusion and decision that you made . It makes total sense. I’m not even Russian, I’m a little bit German ( from my maternal family line … ) Alexandra was a German Princess from Hesse in the Northern part of Germany. She also was an original “ Lutheran “ before becoming a Russian Orthodox. I’m a Lutheran , so I kind of wonder if I could’ve maybe had some kind of “ tie “ to Alexandra in some way . That would be interesting.
I changed my name as an adult. I took Alix which was Alexandra's nickname--partly because I admire her but also because I lived in Hesse as an adult US military dependent. I am also Orthodox.
I don't know if he's still alive but there was someone here in Canada, in Richmond Hill Ontario, who claimed he was a direct descendant to the last Tsar. I can't remember his name. I saw him interviewed on a local news broadcast. He didn't speak a word of Russian. Also, the Grand Duchess Olga, the last person to be born from a ruling monarch, Alexander II, died here in Toronto Ontario in 1960. Her older brother, of course, went on to become Nicholas II.
Alexander lll
I'm afraid I totally disagree with you on your choice of Princess Maria Vladimirovna as next Empress of Russia. As has been pointed out earlier, her grandparents, Kirill and Victoria were first cousins, which is against Orthodox law. In addition Victoria was a divorcee which didn't go well at the time. We must also remember Kirill's disloyalty to Nicholas II at the time of the revolution, and his mother's backstabbing and plotting against both Nicholas and Alexandra in the years leading up to the revolution. The Vladimirs always wanted the throne. At the time of the Borki train disaster in 1888 when Alexander III and his family were almost killed, Alexander III is reputed to have said "Won't Vladimir be disappointed"
Maria's son, Prince George, who is in fact a Prince of Prussia, was married just over a week ago to an Italian lass named Rebecca Bettarini, the daughter of a diplomat. Her family is not of royal or even noble descent, although Maria Vladimirovna has seen fit to ennoble them which she has no right to do. They look a nice couple and I wish them well, but really, its all so pretentious! Other Romanov descendants don't carry on this way,
Its a decision to be made by the Russian people, who at this stage at least, seem reluctant for the monarchy to return.
Seeing as she is not a current ruler you are correct she had no right to ennoble them
The days of King's and Queens are over.
I think that there was a stipulation that women could not inherit the throne. If a woman is allowed to claim the crown, then retroactively the daughters of the czars would have caused the line of succession to vary.
Who cares about orthodox law. An emperor is above god
I keep reading the comments and missing the video
Yay! A new video, I kept wondering why you didn't update yesterday, then I realized wait, it's only Thursday.
Царица Мария "Tsaritsa Mariya" (Czarina Maria) sounds cool and fun to say. She even resembles my late grandma a little also of Russian ancestry. Our surname literally contains "slav".
She's half Georgian
Fun Fact: Andrew Andreevich Romanov was a direct descendant of King Christian IX of Denmark (Through Emperor Alexander III's Wife).
May the Romanov family rest in God's grace.
rip bozos
Remember the child from Lady Die ? The horsetrainer ? The federadion has the Double bird on the Flag Not Just for the fun of it.
Good riddance.
may the rot in hell for eternity
That would be Vladimir, of House Putin.
Doubt it. Pretty sure he is going to quit before 2025
@@therac197 no, I don't think he will
Fuck DA Putin, we Russians are proud people with more than 1000 years of history. Enough of usurpers, we need freedom and prosperity like other European contries! Too bad that Putin destroyed all the democratic institues, made them his puppets :(
@@igroteka90 а то что без Путина запад сделал Россию своей марионеткой, тебя походу не волнует, "патриотичный" либераст
@@alenka15alma ух, зачем же оскорбительные слова использовать
Je suis passionnée d’Histoire Russe. Ma Famille ayant eu des relations avec les Grands Exilés Russes en France et Celle-ci, ayant toujours aimé et soutenu les Exilés. Aussi cette Culture avec la mienne m’a toujours été proche et sensible.
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Im born in Finland, my grandfather did a lot of digging of my familys background and im relatively closely related to Alexander II specifically. More specifically he had children with another woman (which was not her wife) and we are related to her. I know that my fathers cousins have a pair of earrings from the romanovs and earlier we had some type of jewlery. Very interesting stuff.
There's another option, secretly Nicholas II was actually just an alter-ego of George V of the UK and no one could tell them apart. Thus Queen Elizabeth II is the rightful Empress!
Update: thus King Charles III is the rightful Emperor!
Lojik
That would be a huge stretch but a hilarious one
Weird but it still didn’t save Nick
that sounds like the English monarchy type story
@@TheMaster4534
Wouldn't be the first time...
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What a groovy connection to the official photographers! Wow! I agree with you. It’s Maria for me as well.
I love how people will argue about which one of them has a title that no longer exists.
Спасибо за объяснение этих родословных людям, которые все еще заботятся об истории. Довольно важно знать о коронованных особах Европы и не только.
важно почему?
@@MopaHa13булкой похрустеть.
Ответ на вопрос видео - кто бы мог претендовать на Русский трон - н͇и͇к͇т͇о͇. "Les aristocrates a la lanterne! Les aristocrates on les pendra!"
By the Russian crowning laws YOU HAVE TO BE crowned by the Patriarch (or rather in Russian times Metropolitan) of Moscow, thus only the one who has the support of the Church and patriarch can be Imperator and Tsar. All others who don't have the support of the Church, that meaning the patriarchy, are illegitimate. That is the rule that has often been forgotten when discussed this topic, since it was never actually officially writen down in state succession rules, although it is in Church ones and in crowning rules (although I might be wrong about the crowning rules, since those changed a lot overtime). That's why Useful Charts is right that only Maria can be the rightful Imperator.
As for the Emperor/Tsar dispute over name of the title, it's actually very interesting. You see, Russian "Emperors" were both Tsars and Imperators! What does that mean? Well, let me explain. Since Russian rulers considered themselves to be the legitimate successors of the Byzantine/Roman emperors there arose one problem-about the title. You see, in the middle ages, up until the Charlemagne, it is considered that there can be only one true Emperor title ruler-the Roman one. It wasn't just the highest ruling title as we see it today, it meant that that person, the Basileus in Constantinople, is the literal God's representative on the Earth, thus ruling not only above the subjects of his Empire, but OVER ALL THE HUMANS, or at least all the Christians! Giving that he is proclaimed to be literally "equal to the apostles" he had one another important duty - taking care of the fate. You see in Byzantium/Eastern Rome it wasn't patriarch that was heading the Church, it was Emperors. They had the power to basically do whatever they wanted with the Church: they were appointing patriarchs, they were writing church laws, HECK they were so powerful that they could even decide how the Jesus looked like! In fact the reason that Jesus is today depicted with a beard is because since the beginning of the 7th century Byzantine Emperors started wearing beards themselves, as before that neither the Byzantine emperors had it nor was the Jesus represented on the icons with beard!
The same thing was in the West, but there it caused the fight for the investiture between Popes and the HRE (Holly Roman Empire) emperors over the position who is actually the head of the entire Christian world. At the end in the 13th century, the Popes won and thus the Emperors were "theoretically" subservient to them (the best proof that it wasn't practically always the case was Charles V 1527 sacking of Rome).
But, back to the Russian Emperors. As I said, they were both Imperators and Tsars. Tsar was basically the rank of Emperor. But what was then Imperator? Well it was a rank ABOVE the rank of Emperor! You see the Byzantines at the end had to agree to the sad reality that there cannot be only one Christian Emperor. Thus they acknowledged the existence of HRE emperors in 812, Bulgarian Emperors in 917 and Serbian Emperors in 1350. But there was a trick! They acknowledged them not as the Roman, which at that time meant universal, but as their NATIONAL (consider the term national vaguely, since nationalism wasn't yet a thing) emperors. So Charlemagne was only the Emperor of the Franks, Simeon only the Emperor of Bulgarians and Dušan the mighty as the Emperor of the Serbs, while only the Emperor in Constantinople was the ruler above them all and ruler of all Christians. Now, since Russian ruler took completely, to the last detail, the Byzantine imperial ideology, they too considered themselves as something above just the Emperors of the Russians (and also gained the "right" to decide the church laws and other religious stuff). That particularly came into the effect during the rule of Peter the Great when Russians started slowly mingling to the world stage as one of the most powerful countries in the world. He, as a boss that he was, added to his already existing title of Tsar the title of Imperator in 1721. Thus Tsar was a national title of the Russians, while Imperator, the title above the Emperor one, was considered as the on representing the ruler over all the Christians or at this phase over all Orthodox Christians! That was particularly important since Russians were for centuries aiming at liberation of the Orthodox Christians occupied by the Ottomans and other Empires. At the end they succeeded in liberating those Christians, but it did kinda cost them the whole Empire, soooo......yeah, it was only partially worth it.
Underrated comment. It's a pity many wouldn't read it just because of the lenght. Thank you for the knowledge
Im waaaaay too lazy to read this. Sorry bud.
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well after Peter the Great all the Romanovs actually crowned THEMSELVES since there was no more Patriarchs to crown them. meaningful though, that they crushed, and never restored, patriarchs, and were crushed themselves in their due time,
@@decorde-taccard I know that Patriarchs crowned the emperors. It s only that after Peter the Great Russia did not have a Patriarch, as Church was part of state bureaucratic system, so Nicholas could not be crowned, and just crowned himself, and his spouse.
Last time I was this early the Nicholas the II and his family were still alive
May they Rest In Peace.
@@sonicvenom8292 They are saints, and have all the peace there is in heaven.
Thank you for helping me to pass 15 minutes. This is all humbug, Sir! There are no monarchist parties in Russian Federation. And Russians just laugh at any thought that it might be possible to bring back czars as czars of Russia. But must compliment you for the time you might have spent sifting through information, collating it and presenting it in a manner that could be understood.
I think if the Russian people were given the chance to vote for a constitutional monarchy, they would vote to restore the monarchy.
I respectfully wish to inform you that your usage of the term "morganatic" is incorrect. Morganatic marriages were when two people of different rank married, ie: marriages between nobility &/or commoner & a member of a royal house or dynastic house. Marriages of people who were equal in rank are referred to as agnatic or dynastic. Morganatic marriage
Morganatic marriage, sometimes called a left-handed marriage, is a marriage between people of unequal social rank, which in the context of royalty or other inherited title prevents the principal's position or privileges being passed to the spouse, or any children born of the marriage. Wikipedia
Last time I was this early, the Russia still had a tsar
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I heard years ago that the Romanov fortune was secured in the Chase Manhattan Bank, which was apparently the habit of many royal families, namely to have the family fortune somewhere other than at "home" as it were. If this tidbit of history is true, I rather think the governors of Chase Manhattan would seriously contend anyone who came forth to claim the Romanov throne, as the Bank then would have to produce said fortune. If one believes in "follow the money" than one could well ask what role the Rockefeller family had in the Revolution of 1917.. history if allowed to be told accurately, is truly a curious thing....who knows? The supposed heir could end up being a majority stock holder in Chase if the fortune was never removed.....
👏 а ещё банки Японии, там очень много золота Российской Империи)))
Don't believe that rumor. It's not true. There is no Romanov money in any bank. During World War I Tsar Nicholas withdrew all of his money from banks all over the world and used it to build and staff military hospitals in Russia. When he died he was worth almost nothing. What little was left was seized by the Bolsheviks.
I just want to say that Rostislav Romanov looks so handsome in this photo 👉👈
Completely agree.