The "normal budget" build
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- čas přidán 26. 05. 2022
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Intel Build for $1500
CPU - Intel 11700k 8/16 amzn.to/38l8jUg
Cooler - Cooler Master Hyper 212 Black RGB amzn.to/3wUMS4y
Mobo - MSI MAG Z590 Torpedo Wifi amzn.to/3wUqxnO
Mem - Corsair Vengance RGB Pro C16 16GB 3200 - amzn.to/3LOxLPJ
GPU - EVGA RTX 3060Ti XC Gaming amzn.to/3yYB18v
PSU - EVGA SuperNOVA 850w Gold 10y warranty amzn.to/3NxQYX2
SSD - Crucial P5 Plus 1TB Gen 4 - amzn.to/3lMIZtx
Case - Corsair 4000D Airflow Tempered amzn.to/3LOsBDl
Additional - Corsair SP120 RGB Elite 3 pack amzn.to/3sUhLoP
$1539 - Sub total
** Can save money by going teamgroup Vulcan, non RGB 3200mhz for $52 and save $27
** Can save money by going ML120 white led 3pack for $35 and save $35
** Can save money by going with WD Black Gen 4 for $109 and save $19
$81 extra to spend
AMD Build for $1500
CPU - 5800X amzn.to/3MYw2cc
Cooler - Cooler Master Hyper 212 Black RGB amzn.to/3wUMS4y
Mobo - Gigabyte X570 AORUS Elite WiFi amzn.to/3wLTvYi
Mem - Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro 16GB 3600 AMD optimized amzn.to/3NC0TuL
GPU - XFX Speedster RX 6700XT amzn.to/3Goys19
PSU - EVGA SuperNOVA 850w Gold 10y warranty amzn.to/3NxQYX2
SSD - Crucial P5 Plus 1TB Gen 4 - amzn.to/3lMIZtx
Case - Corsair 4000D Airflow Tempered amzn.to/3LOsBDl
Additional - Corsair SP120 RGB Elite 3 pack amzn.to/3sUhLoP
$1522 - Sub total
** Can save money by going teamgroup Vulcan, non RGB 3200mhz for $52 and save $45
** Can save money by going ML120 white led 3pack for $35 and sasve $35
** Can save money by going with WD Black Gen 4 for $109 and save $19
$99 extra to spend
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I wanted to take a minute and extend a BIG thank you to you and the other folks at JayzTwoCents for all your helpful videos. I've been wanting to build my own PC for about 15 years now, but as a single-income family, I didn't want to commit and potentially waste any of our precious budget. Your videos gave me the insight and the confidence to finally take the plunge. 51 is probably a bit along to start in the PC build area, but better late than never. With an old but basically unused Antec Nine Hundred case and 650W power supply I already had, I was able to build a respectable rig for under $1000 even having room in the budget to take advantage of a Be Quiet fan sale and replace all the 120mm fans ( the 200mm had an unusual mount that prevented replacement). Your "what to do after you've built your PC" video was a particular lifesaver as I was way out of my element there. Thanks and high fives all around. Have an awesome day.
First of all - Congrats on your new PC!
There's no age limit to start a new hobby and enjoy what life has to offer. Some people discover new interests long after their retirement just because they suddenly have the time.
Technology made such huge leap not only in the past decades, but even just in the past years, that people who have been building PCs for just 10 years work with completely different technological abilities compared to what we have today. Even though the typical consumer doesn't really *need* the latest products, there are still constant improvements and new things coming out.
You won't regret the investment
I personally would swap out the 5800x for a 5600x and with the savings upgrade the 6700xt to a 6800 since it's a pretty significant performance increase between the cards at a minimal loss (in gaming at least) between the CPUs.
Hell go for the 6800 XT, last I checked Newegg the cheapest 6800 vs 6800 XT was like $10-30 difference
I think Jay should think the same comparing the video he did recently that we don't need too many cores and treads for gaming. And 5600x its perfect for gaming(I have it)
Would the 5600x overclock a 3060ti? Also is it capable of streaming and music production? I’m thinking of going with this combo since I really don’t like intel
5600x paired with 6700 xt ryns perfectly in 1440p. Going to 6800 gets you to scratch 4k. I run 6700xt rig and my friend went with 6800.
I‘d disagree. 6 cores just won‘t cut it anymore until next gen. I‘d always consider buying a 8 core or more if you‘re building now. Or you‘ll have to upgrade sooner as you wanted. And if you aren‘t short on money or don‘t have money issues, hell buy the best off the shelf.
I love these videos as you ALWAYS steer the viewers straight…no crappy product plugs, just accurate information. I’ve been a supporter a long time because of just this…you cut the BS..keep it up my man!😎👍
So glad parts lists videos can be done again. It's always fun to see the different options creators go for. I'd love a video on controlling the 5800X's temps with undervolting. They always seem to run so hot and everyone seems to have a different method to tame them from what I've looked up for mine. I think Jay would make a great tutorial or video attempting it!
Don't use PBO and offset your CPU voltage
I would do a hybrid build: A Ryzen 5600(X), with a cheaper but solid motherboard, the MSI B550-A Pro, the rest of the build would be more or less the same with some small savings here and there, in which case there should be just about enough cash left to upgrade the 3060 Ti to a 3070.
what does a hybrid build mean?
@@1234Jaytay I believe he means Nvidia graphics card with an AMD CPU, don't quote me on that.
I’d probably agree with you, but I’d maybe go Intel rig (preference mostly) and either go 12400 (for better budget) or the 12600K (for better performance) and the mobo I would go for the b660 when they’re better (heard a lot of bad reviews around them) and then maybe getting a better GPU like you said a 3070 or even 3070TI
@@Monstropolis 🤔aah you may be on to something. I will research your hypothesis and find out what solution may arise.
@@1234Jaytay In this case, as opposed to what Jay does, I am mixing AMD and Nvidia.
This video helped me to take the plunge and purchase a system to replace a 5 year old system that was slowly dying on me. I ended up purchasing pretty much the whole Intel build that Jay recommended and now that I'm fully set up, I'm super happy with it! Saved a little bit on the CPU thru Microcenter rather than Amazon but the GPU was a little more expensive at the time, but it pretty much evened out.
Thanks Jay, I was looking at an AMD build with most of the same parts you suggested with the ROG strix in place of the aorus. Vids are top quality man, keep up the great work.
Totally excited by this build and am looking to do something very close to this in the next 12 months to be the beating heart of an arcade machine project I'm starting. Excellent video as always Jay! Love everything you do. Keep this kind of content going it's so helpful and interesting.
When you want to build a PC, you can visit Jay videos and you will see the parts you DON'T have to buy.
That dyno comparison with drive speeds was perfect 👌
Sk hynix gold nvme drives are excellent performance, and priced very well. P31 is the model I think. It's very balanced in performance across all tasks.
Thank you for this video. I am not a pc gamer or computer person at all. So having a video as detailed as your video is. Is awesome. I just ordered all that you recommended here for my 10 yr old son. He recently has been asking to get into pc gaming. We currently just use consoles. This should be fun for the both of us. Thanks again.
Great man !!! It's nice to have someone that knows what your doing picking out parts!!!!
Now I want to see a real-world head to head challenge between these two PCs.
I just did my first build used the same CPU cooler, same Corsair fans and same PSU. I also didn't pay for 16gb of RAM and a Ryzen 7 3700X which I took out of my pre built from 2 years ago and I paid $1449. I bought a 3070TI (cause it was the first available in my area) and paid $20 less than a 3080 goes for now which is a painful thing to live with.
Almost ended my first month in my new job and finally I be able to start getting pc parts. This is so exciting, appreciate the guidance very much
Thanks Jay, been thinking about having a go at building a new PC and this list looks like a v good list of stuff to start with!
3 months later i was able to get a gigabyte 3070 oc 8g to stick in this build for $520 and swapped the cpu for a 5700x that i was able to get for $230 to stick in this build. Parts coming in tomorrow and im excited to get building 👀
"Not to mention that at the $1500 price point, You aren't actually shopping for the highest end stuff anyways"
Damn
My brother and I are looking at building my cousin a rig sometime next year possibly, so these kinds of videos are always a good watch to see what might be a good buy.
I built the Intel setup , my very first build and it is an amazing setup!!! Thank You for taking the time to make this Video!!
I’m looking to build a pc around this price point. Can you comfortably play any game you want on it?
@@hasnaat3026 I am currently Playing Red Dead Redemption 2 and it runs it amazingly!
Appreciate you Jay. You've helped me really get into and become fascinated in the whole world of pcs since 2019 thank you again🙋♂️😁
@Muscleman8562 I know this is spam advertising your channel but I can't help but want too see that 🤣
I just completed a build but when Jay says it’s time to build. Damn it it’s time to build! let’s go!
Fucking same
Extremely helpful to me a first time buyer. I am trusting you with a lot of this only I got the evga 3060 ti on the amd system. Thank you for all of the information.
Perfect - looking at upgrading a few bits of my rig and this gives me some target areas.
I feel like if you want Corsair RAM but also would rather not spend more than needed, you should just go with LPX. As far as I can tell, The only difference between LPX and Pro RGB is the aesthetics. That shouldn't matter if you are going for this price point as he rightfully points out when he talks about RGB. Just my two cents. Great video, great lists.
I'm running LPX as my D15 and Lancool II require its short stature. It's Bern incredibly stable and easily gets to it's advertised 3600 (CL16) with XMP. I'd also recommend the sticks.
Or just save up and wait if you don’t need to build the pc quickly
It all comes down to bang vs bucks. If you want a picture making build I suppose RGB sometimes looks good but I agree RGB is in no way needed to make my rig run fast. For me that is where the rubber meets the road. High Performance for a reasonable price.
Yeah I got 2 x 16 gig 3600 c18 lpx ram for $120.
Yeah, I tend to use LPX sticks in my builds, especially when the price goes down on them. In my experience, they've been nothing but rock solid.
3060ti is on average 2% slower than the 6700xt at 1080p.
Same performance at 1440p.
And 3% faster at 4k.
According to Hardware Unboxed 50 game average benchmark.
Choices should consist mostly of DLSS vs having more vram for 4k.
Both cards can ray trace, not sure it's worth it on this level of card, performance will take a huge hit regardless of choice.
Thank you.
CPU for the amd build is bad as well. 5700x tops, and honestly a 5600 would still work perfectly fine. Same for intel, 12400f and a b660 mb.
Overspent on case, storage, rgb, fans. There's a lot of bias here. Both builds aren't bad, but you could get better at $1500.
3060 TI ray traces well enough for 1440p, though some compromises with CP2077, control is good enough, better with dlss.
@@102728 it depeneds, Jay said the Intel build was also able to get a twitch stream running, with the 12400f no chance, there you need the i7, same with AMD... and as he said with the around 100 you would have save you couldn´t buy a better GPU anyway, so why don´t spendi it on the CPU ?
@@Simon-ct6nq I think you are slightly uneducated in the subject and would like to kindly inform you that the 12400 is definitely capable of "getting a twitch stream running". Not sure where you got the information about needing an i7 to stream but that is just wrong. The same goes for the ryzen build. A 5600x is more than capable for a streaming rig. Hopefully I can save you or someone else some money in the future.
@@nattylightbro Yup. As an example, from what I've seen from GamersNexus and other places, despite having two fewer cores and four fewer threads, an i5-12400 gets impressively close to an i9-9900K in core heavy applications. Gaming wise, the 12400 usually takes the win due to its much better IPC and higher L3 cache (18Mb versus the 16Mb of the 9900K). It goes to show that there's more to CPU performance than just how many cores and threads it has. I mean, a Xeon E5-2690 v3 has 12 cores and 24 threads, yet, despite that, because it's a CPU from 2014 and processor IPC wasn't nearly as good back then, the E5-2690 v3 gets absolutely demolished by the i5-12400. A strong six-core/twelve-thread CPU is more than enough for streaming. Also, in terms of live streaming, considering that nowadays most modern Nvidia and AMD GPUs come built-in with streaming encoders, it makes the performance of the CPU far less important since, at least with most modern AMD GPUs, it's possible to live stream directly from the Radeon Adrenaline software. Additionally, from what I've tested, streaming and recording through Radeon Adrenaline is much less demanding than doing those things via OBS, so having a mega powerful processor for streaming isn't nearly as crucial as it was in say, 2014. Over the last few years, so much misinformation has been spread in that anything less than eight cores and sixteen threads is absolute garbage, when in reality, that couldn't be further from the truth since the performance of a CPU is dependent on many more factors than just the number of cores and threads it has.
Thanks for videos like this a real help, I am looking to upgrade my GTX 970 DDR3 setup 7 years old still running i7 4core on its last legs.
I’ve got that same Corsair RAM and have no complaints! Love it
Finally everyone can start talking about affordable and sensible builds again. Thanks @JayzTwoCents look forward to more similar suggestions in different price brackets.
Pauls hardware does parts deals videos as well
dont follow this build lmao its trashy. You can do sooooo much better in the budget
Well, the used market went insane with several generation old GPUs costing more than they were when they were released, and scalpers driving up the retail cost of everything that was being made. Kinda hard to talk about budget builds without just saying things like good luck...
These parts for the budget are horrible
not here they can't since gpu's are still way over msrp some still double msrp
I just rewatched hub comparison from a couple months ago and on average they were basically the same performance. Not sure why you think it's 10% weaker. The 6700xt was slightly better at 1080p and about even at 1440p and then slightly loses at 4k. So it completely depends on which card is cheaper, that's it. Other than that good video.
He is an nvidia fanboy
I also did post about the same thing. I check his and a bunch of other reviews, and it was either faster or slower up to 10%. So in the end, it's around the same performance and depends on the game. Why does he trust UserBenchmarks?
Finally gonna' move up from my 650. Your insights are very helpful!
Jay, about your criticism of VAT: it's just a different name for what you call sales tax.
Well, there are a few differences:
1. It's included in the price; the price you see is the price you pay - the whole tax thing happens between the seller & the government (Inland Revenue in our case 🇬🇧).
2. Sure, prices can vary from 1 part of the country to another in different stores, but if it's the same company then it'll *usually* be the same price. If you're ordering online, the only difference (from the same site) between 1 part of the country & another is usually postage, & even then it's probably only if you live on some island or whatever that isn't connected with a road bridge.
3. Unless we run our own business, or earn *significantly* more than average, then we don't have to keep all our receipts for a yearly grovelling for approval before the tax overlords.
Been using Team T-force Delta RGB ram for almost a year now (~2 or 3 weeks shy of a year) with an AMD CPU. No problems at all so far with the RAM itself. It's not "optimized" for AMD, but it works perfectly.
I also got "T-force vulcan 16gb ddr4 3600mhz cl18" it was the cheapest kit i could find and it works GREAT.
So exciting to see open box GPUs back at MicrCenter. High end cards are still to high but the low to mid range seems to have come back to normal.
At this stage in the 30xx life-cycle, "normal" would be ~$/€250 for the 3060, $/€350 to, maybe, 400 for the 3060Ti and 500 - 550 for the 3070. Right now, the 3060 Ti is still at €550 to 600 where I live and the 3070 would actually make more sense with the cheapest at just over 600. But that's still too friggin' high. I've been using Geforce cards since the very, very early days and usually always went for the mid-range (my last four were 260 -> 460 ->660 -> 1060) and never paid more than €200 to €250. Except for the 1060 which I bought in 2018 during the first mining-BS-phase and paid MSRP at 270 and my current 2070 Super which I manage to steal, errr, buy from a buddy for €200.
@@hydraulixx normal as far as MSRP goes, there are 3060s at microcenter for $389.99, $409 99, and $429.99. That's pretty close to normal
@@jasonallison1913 That's... not normal. With 40xx in sight, a 3060 should be going for closer to 300, not 400. It's much better than it was, but prices are still inflated by a significant amount.
Recall, EVGA was initially pricing their 3060s at $330.
@@motortiki Yeah, the founders 3080 was like $699 and even that I wasn't thrilled with, yet that price only seemed like a dream this past year...
(I guess I'll have to get used to it though. It seems if you want the next flagship card you'll need at least $1000, a nice big case/PSU, and a disregard for your electricity bill :p )
Hi Jay I'm from South Africa and yes prices are extremely bad here atm. Appreciate these build and product guides they make a huge difference. 👍🏼😎🥃
I would change the 1tb m.2 with a 2tb ssd and on the amd build I'd use the stock cooler saving 40 on the cooler. I've been using the stock cooler with my r7 3700x for almost 2 years now and it works great. Thank u for the advice Jay. I built my 1st rig after watching many of your videos and I like how honest u are about prices and actually performance that u can sell a difference in.
For some reason, I really appreciate Jay's *'it's time'* expression in the thumbnail. PS: thanks for keeping the PC hype alive, Jay and crew!
It's too bad this list is garbage and so were his other 2 budget builds
great that these kinds of videos are back. imo its worth saving $100 on the cpu and at least $50, if not another $100, on the mb, and use that to get higher tier gpus. i just recently got a 5600X and 3080 FTW3 for $199 and $870 (and kept using my B450 mb) and that just about fits a full build at $1500. At least i think you should be able to get a 5600X and 3070 TI or 6800XT
and if anyone wonders im not cpu bottlenecking, been playing Halo and GotG
I built mine last year and got a 5600X with a 6800xt and I've not bottlenecked either.
I have been tempted by the 5800x3D but tbh I don't think it's worth it.
Yeah my 1500 dollar build has a i5-12400F and rtx 3070ti + 32GB ram, I'm really happy with this build I finished it a couple days ago and it's performing super well
Me crying in $300-400aud ryzen cpus, 3070s would be well over a grand here
11700k is a bizarre choice, my guess is hes trying to sell some
Your philosophy is the opposite of mine. I build a solid core build that will last 5 to 6 years, but only get a xx70 card. Then, I update the graphics card on a 2 to 3 year cycle. Stops me from having to do complete rebuilds or deal with future bottlenecking on parts that are a pain to replace.
I am so thankful for your channel!!
Jay.. nice build lists. I guess the step would be to get them, build them, and then have them go head to head to see if paper performance matches real life. What would be an interesting test would be to do a blind gaming test where you or one of your crew gamed on each not knowing which was which. Then see if they could tell the difference.. You mentioned this about the NVME I believe, that while there is a difference on paper, actually noticing that difference is a completely different scenario.
Cheers
Rick
Jay: We don't have to be crazy with the power requirements.
Also Jay: So we picked an 850W PSU.
Luiz Henrique Miranda: and?
3060 Ti paired with a 850w PSU. MASSIVE OVERKILL.
I'd rather save and drop it to 750w and upgrade efficiency to platinum or titanium
@@gmualum08 anything past gold is not worth it at this budget lmao.
@@gmualum08 what if you want to upgrade to a 3080/3090 eventually.
@@Kennephone Than eventually get 850w psu
Swapping to a 5600, and the MSI b550M VDH micro motherboard, along with the lancool 215 case allows you to swap for 32 GB of 4000 speed trident z neo ram, and a 3070 TI. Seems completely worth the shift if you’re solely gaming focused, like me!
Would be nice to see him directly compare the two systems he did and then what you just explained and a 6800/xt with the 5600.
@@No-One.321 yes!
i wouldnt like to go for a 6-core, to be honest. or not a six core like that. i like the 12600kf. it has those 4 extra cores, which makes it way more appealing, in my opinion. on top of it, it has kind of alot more performance per core. i would go with a b660 gaming x board. you cant overclock your cpu then but i wouldnt mind that. so you "only" save 60 bucks in total, on board and cpu, compared to jay, but you get more performance and can use those 60 bucks, to get 32 gb of gskill ripjaws 3600 cl18 and would be still at the same budget, with more ram and performance. you would miss out on ram rgb but i wouldnt care.
@:D yeah but paring a highend gpu, like the 6800xt, doesnt feel right for me. i have heard that only 6 normal cores can be a bottle neck too. not that it does that often but sometimes you can have weird frame drops and if the game can make use of more threads, then it could be a smoother experience overall. of course, future proofing stuff is kind of a complicated topic but having those 4 extra efficency cores, plus more single core power on those 6 normal cores, will benefit you, in the long run, i think. but yeah, a 5600 or 12400f isnt a bad cpu. you could go for b660 gaming x and a 12400f insead of a ryzen 5600. the intel is cheaper and you could still upgrade to 12600k/kf or 12700k/kf in the future. i would suggest the b660 gaming x for ddr4 motherboard. it has a real nice build quality, vrms, features in general. it doesnt have wifi though.
I think the 5600 would bottleneck the 3070Ti
I've been looking to build my first rig for some time, but never was 100% sure what to purchase. Thanks for doing this Jay.
Appreciate your honesty about not posting build videos for the last 2 years during inflated prices.
I kinda disagree with the choice of the 11th Gen Intel. If you get a 12th Gen Intel, you'll be able to upgrade the CPU once 13th Gen comes out because Intel isn't changing the socket type. And if you buy a MOBO that supports DDR4, you can still make use of the better processor. Also, the i5-12400 is better that the i7-11700 isn't it? And almost $100 less. Another thing too is the 3060 Ti. The new 6650 XT is virtually identical, performance wise, in 1080p and can be had for just over $400. So basically, you can do better, for less, with the 12th gen Intel and 6650 XT.
plus z590 only supports 1 gen 4 drive. Z690 can give you like 4 to 5 gen 4 drive options. 12600k would be like 200-250 dollars so cheaper than 11700k and faster in both single threaded and multi threaded. And 200 bucks will get you a solid msi z690 a pro motherboard. And like you said you can upgrade to raptor lake which will have up to 24 core and 32 threads. Plus you get gen 5 pcie and much more pcie lanes from the chipset.
Exactly! (y)
Kinda pointless upgrade just making a generation jump from 12 to 13th gen anyway.
i5 12600k is $10 less than the i7 he listed and an all around better performer
@@manuelmunguia616 the idea is future proofing some of the components to save on a future build/upgrade. in fact for the most part i'd argue a 850w psu isn't as worth while as gettting a 1000w psu. sure you may not need the extra power now, but in a few years it'll save you from having to buy a new one.
I actually just went with an 11700k a moth or so back. Got one for $200 from Micro Center. I also ended up getting a TUF 3070 for $650. All in all, the PC I built with it was $1400.
But I got a ton of stuff on sale. Ram, CPU, NVME, PSU and I slapped it all in a $75 Cooler Master MB311L case. I dig this case.
But then I ended up getting a Founder Edition 3080Ti because it was $1000 used. Still under $2k though. Couldn't do that last year.
Sooo your bad with saving your money and buy things if they say SALE on them. When it says sale it’s not really a sale it’s the original price the company intended for.
@@zombiejelly4111 ig uess he compared prices and he didnt overpay, or do you think 1.4 k is alot for that system?
@@bertracoon1884 he bought a 3070 that’s 650 and the. Bought a 3080 for 1000…so he spent another thousand on a gpu that’s not even a big up grade…
Imagine buying a 2020 model car because you need a car and a few months later you buy the 2021 car because it’s “on sale” yet the 2020 model is almost exactly the same in everything. It’s a waste of money but hey ain’t my money
@@zombiejelly4111 yeah, i know. but he wanted a 3070, instead of a 3060 ti, so his choice. a 3060ti is 550, regulary. so 100 bucks. if he wants to spend those 100 bucks for the performance increase, then it is completely fine for me.
@@bertracoon1884 you do realize the “increase” is not even noticeable….go ahead waste hundreds of dollars buying gpus over and over and over again for no reason. Have fun going broke
Amazing Build. Good quality parts. Wanna do it right now.
Great tips as per Jay, thanks!, also the correct word would be "Sought"
One thing I would do differently. I would go with a smaller CPU like an i5 or R5 with the same clock speed and put in double the RAM instead. Because you said it yourself, most users won't need that many cores/threads. But background processes clog up more of your memory over time in a modern OS, so I wouldn't go below 32GB for a new system these days.
You really dont need more than 16 gb if you don't have a crap to of bloatware running constantly. 16 gb is more than enough to play intensive games, have several chrome tabs, spotify, etc.
@@finleycartmell5223 Windows comes with a lot of bloat services that can't be turned off and the longer the PC runs the more RAM gets eaten up. 16 would be enough if you got the full 16. But you gotta have more than 16 if you want to have 16 free for games.
I have been using 16 GB RAM for several years and every now and then I have to do a PC restart to clear the RAM. WHY? Because I dont seem to be able to "Clear the cache" without losing all my cookies and my saved passwords as well. So for my next build, Upcoming in the summer of 2023, I WILL be upgrading to 32 GB. Thanks for not making feel stupid!!
after buying a 3060ti to start my upgrade process after 6/7 years, this is exactly what im looking for. heres hoping we get some further elaboration on how these two builds would stack up against each other!
Great idea!!
If I buy a new card it will be a card like THIS card Jay talks about or even a 3060 super duper Ti califragging for a good price. Gpu is about the only one hard to find in stock these days but it is getting better. My 2060 super is still doing great and has been wonderful for just mainly gaming pc.
I just jumped from a 1660 to a 3080 in my new build. No regrets.
@@microtasker That's a huge jump, but congratulations on getting it, it'll last you years 😋
I went from a 1070 to a 3070 about 15 months ago and it's been a great upgrade. I stuck the 1070 in my son's computer so he went from a 960 to a 1070 and Minecraft and Roblox play great for him 😋
@@Joreel wow handing your son outdated scraps lmao
Was about to press go on a 12th gen build but you’ve given me food for thought!
so happy that the 12th gen boards still take in ddr4s. I saved on ram reusing my old sticks. and i'm even happier from the jump from 7th to 12th gen too!
I disagree 12th gen on ddr4 is very good regardless of not having ddr5. i5 12600k is much faster than a i9 11900k you could get a second hand 3090 or 3080 when 40xx Nvidia comes out and have a very nice pairing.
Yeah, it's also faster than anything from AMD (except maybe 5800x3d which is waaay more expensive) and will probably compare favourably even against zen4.
Yeah I also didn't expect that choice for 11th gen. 12th seems to have better price/performance
Shhhh.... :) Depending on what your are running you might just get away with replacing the video card and PSU and be done!
Me too it was really weird i5 12600k is faster and more efficient
And even if not going 12th gen, 10th is just strictly better deal than 11th gen.
11th gen was absolutely atrocious
Jay i think you are confusing 6700 Xt with 6600 xt.
I have an enermax maxtyan. 3 years old. Started making a funny noise after an hour of use. Sent it to RMA, new one is on the way.
Can't fault their support :)
16:14 I have that exact motherboard for 2 years now running previously a 2700 now a 3950x as much flack as gigabyte been getting (re psu/gpus) this is a great motherboard. Highly recommend!! Updated to bios f36a
17:05 I have that exact same memory too!!! bought 2 sets for 32GB total
Great video Jay.... I go no budget builds every 5 years so this video isn't really helpful for me. But I absolutely love watching this to just keep my finger on the pulse of the market... and great ideas for people who always ask for help with friends and family builds.
I'd love if you could do something similar to this for a SFF :)
I'm loving the idea of building in a Lian Li Q58 for work (graphic designer) but as soon as I get to picking parts it makes me run a mile, haha!
Great informative video! Buying a case that comes with three 120mm pre installed fans would be a great way to save $50-$70. The Corsair 220T, Corsair iCUE 400x, Phanteks P400A, and be quiet! 500dx, are all great cases that come with 3 fans pre installed for around $100. Cooler Master, and Lian Li both have great options as well for around $130.
thank you so much vodafone and jay for helping me as heath ledgers apprentice
My differences:
GPU: I went with a RTX 3060 (12Gb) rather than a 3060ti. I do 3d rendering and the amount of Vram is the limiting factor for me. Gaming is fun, but not a priority for me.
Ram: Kingston Ram 32Gbx2 - Rendering is ram intensive; because I bought 32Gb sticks, I can add more later to reach 128Gb.
And yes, I will use all 128Gb.
to be fair the title says "gaming pc" you clearly are building a workstation pc, gaming is not a priority on your build
best tech channel... humility goes a long way. good job.
I can't stand rgb, so I actually look for the products that DON'T have it. Also, I really like having an internal optic drive, so a case with a minimum of one 5.25 inch drive bay is a must.
While it's not a bad list overall, the PSU is an odd choice. Having a bit of overhead is justifiable, but anything that needs 850 watts *will not function on the GA*. The Supernova GA is one of those units that can't deal with the transient spikes of higher end Ampere cards, so any headroom you have is more or less wasted.
Also the hyper 212 doesn't really make sense to recommend in 2022; for $5 less you can get a PA120.
Love the Gigabyte x570 Aorus motherboard, although I went with the Master option for my build for the extra M.2 slots.
Thanks Jay, Looking to build a pc. Great video 👍 💯
The first build is very similar to what I spec'd out but I went with i5 + 3070 and cheaper noctua fans. RGB is tacky to me. I'd rather drop more on a gpu than the cpu because gaming is the only demanding thing I'll be doing.
Exactly this, I did the same with 64GB RAM non-RGB
I like plain stuff too, I am running a thermal take h22 case. I don't like lights blinding me during gaming and I saved a bundle. I am also running the plain grey/black noctua fans and they hold up great over time in my experience. When I was younger I spent more on the looks than on the cpu lol.
@@davidbrennan5 yeah I did the same thing a decade ago. bought a mobo that was twice the price of my cpu because I liked the way it looked. tbf I wanted to upgrade a couple years later but never did.
I also like the i5 + 3070/Ti combo
I can agree the I 5 is up to the task not the most powerful but it runs well with almost everything.
4000D is arguably the best case. I personally have a 5000D because I'm extra, but serious both are incredible
ikr, case with good airflow doesn't need to look like strainer lol
What is the difference between the 4000d and 5000d
@@boolaidman471 Bit larger, you also get an area for side intake
I have the AORUS X570 for Amd. Great board and nice aesthetic.
I actually run a 5600X and RX6800 in a Corsair 4000D Airflow and it's a fantastic combination!! 😁 Highly recommended! 😎😎 You can overclock most RAM like Ballistix from 3200 to 3600Mhz btw, so don't ever overspend on it for your build!!
a 3060ti for 540?! NOT the time to build until prices get back to sanity.
used to be the 60 series was 250-300, over 500 is a hard pass.
RTX 4000 will arrive before 3060 Ti will come back to sane prices. There's just too much demand because so many gamers want at LEAST a 3060.
Evga has one listed on their site for 480$
$369 MSRP for base models.. $399 with inflation. AMD's overpriced cards look great at the moment because Nvidia prices are still so high.
@@AKMcF If AMDs card are overpriced then the Nvidia cards are a straight up scam. the 6700xt is about 550 on amazon and newegg new which makes me ask why you would need a 3060ti at this price range
6700 XT’s direct from AMD are $479 before tax.
For the Intel system, I'd recommend a 12600KF and an Asus Prime Z690-P Wifi D4 for $470.98 or with a MSI PRO Z690-A WIFI DDR4 for $489.98 instead.
The benefit is getting more CPU for the same price.
More value per dollar is better in my book.
I think it's better to buy a motherboard with a cheaper chipset, and a medium range motherboard. Z690 is the more expensive chipset, Asus Prime and MSI PRO are low-end motherboards. An Asus TUF Gaming B660M is way better. Or a MSI B660M Mortar, Tomahawk...
always a good time looking up these builds in my country and seeing a price tag at 300 over the said price here
Its nice to see the go to build is the exact PC i built exactly a year ago =) But I have a 3070Ti & just reused my old Corsair Obsidian Series 450D.
Actually, there’s a 3070 on Amazon for $90 more than your 3060 TI. Totally worth it.
And, could have saved quite a bit with msi Spatium gen 4 1 TB nvme vs crucial. - got mine for $75
the price difference between those two cards has pretty much been about that difference for the past 2 years. IDK why people continue to by the 3060 and 3060ti they are just priced poorly.
@@DATWagonator i dont agree. The 3070 is only 5-10% faster than the 3060 ti for 15% more money. 3060 ti is the best value gpu from 30 series imo.
@@BananaBlaster64 at the point when i wad buying 3070ti was not much cheaper than 3060ti. So I went 3070ti plus I5 cpu
@@dancomando depends on where you live obviously. What was the price difference?
i5 12600k and a comparable Z690 DDR4 motherboard is a very similar price to the i7 11700k you listed and in my opinion a better gaming option, not sure why you listed the price as your reason not to get 12th gen. DDR4 Z690 boards are reasonably priced
**EDIT: You also get PCIE 5.0! it's not even an argument
agreed.
He noted the ddr5 feature set on 12th gen why get it with ddr 4…
@@frizzlefry1921 because it's cheaper and better than what he listed. i5 12600k with DDR4 is better than i7 11700k with DDR4 and it costs less. You can always upgrade to DDR5 later but currently there isn't much of a performance uplift
He also mentioned motherboard reviews. Important factor when selecting a motherboard.
@@VoldoronGaming Z590 and Z690 DDR4 board prices are very similar. You should be able to find a comparable option.
For a specificly budget PC, I would strip down all RGB. A clean, black/aluminum setup is still absolutely beautiful imho.
Arctic P12 PWM fans are dirt cheap. With the money I would have left, upgrade the tower cooler to a noctua black that is expensive, yet has no match in term of noise, very good performance and an absolutely amazing team behind that will send you most upgrade kits for free for the next ten years, an amazing investment for a PC imho.
Hi Jay!
For the case, I would have chosen the Antec DF700 FLUX: great airflow, 5 included fans, 280/360 rads on top possible
Jeez, Jay's experience with 12th gen must have scarred him for life. Unless you are dead set against Windows 11, there is NO REASON to not do 12th gen if you are building Intel. For a $1.5k system that isn't pushing absurd RAM speeds, it's been out long enough that it should be reliable.
Well, Jay's 2020 build guide is what got me into custom building, but even back then I didn't take it as gospel. Do your homework and don't be afraid to tweak for your preferences
I can find a 5800X3D for $470; not sure where Jay is pulling that $600 tag from. $300 is a weird price point for a CPU; you're spending more than you "need," but not enough to go premium. Also, AMD's "official" spec for their CPUs lists 3200 RAM speed, so I would stick with that (tighten timings if you're willing to spend more). 99.99% chance the 3600 runs just fine, but if you go to expand with a second kit later, higher clockspeed kits are less likely to play nice with each other.
Windows 11, imo, is absolute trash. Auto Bitlocker enabled, and hiding the setting to turn it off. Aesthetics are mediocre, still a ton of bugs, missing driver support for a ton of devices, and forced software. Linux keeps looking better and better. lol
@@richardcaudill935 Windows 11 is security focused, which is why it has more mandatory security measures compared to previous version of windows.
About aesthetics being mediocre. No, they are not. At least this is in comparison to previous windows versions. If you point about aesthetics was in comparison to some Linux distro you once used, then fair enough.
As for your "ton of bugs" and missing driver support, can you give a specific example? Windows 11 has been patched significantly up to now and it is pretty stable. You should ensure you are running the most up to date version of windows 11, and it should be installed on the actual support CPU versions.
$600 tag was amazon prices. He did mention that tbf
@@callumclark2821 Pretending the internet does not exist outside of Amazon is not an excuse. Jay knows full well that price is nowhere NEAR what the 5800X3D is supposed to be, that was worth checking other outlets. I did before I commented, so why couldn't he?
@@Hypershell because most people have access to amazon, not everyone can get delivery from micro center etc. Its just a quick way of getting a general idea. I think the important bit was these parts are worth buying not necesserily the retailer. Im sure he doesnt think we should just buy all our parts at amazon and not shop around. At least you know this can be built for 1500 no questions asked
I just purchased my first build with a budget of 1500$ give or take a few hundred and ended up spending 1700$ (tax included). I got the 12600k with the Asus prime z690p d4 and a shadow rock 3 cooler, the msi ventus 2x 3060ti, 32gb of ddr4 3600 ram, a wd blue 1tb m.2 nvme stick, the 4000d af case with a few extra fans on top of it, and then a 850w psu. I also got a 2tb seagate barracuda hdd cause I only need a few vr games and my main games on the ssd. I will get another ssd in the future, just not anytime soon.
Let me know how I did for a first time build, and I would greatly appreciate any building tips for when I actually put it all together in a few weeks
I agree with your choices. I just can't see putting in an 11th gen instead of a 12th gen like the 12600k.
i thought that i had chosen the right stuff for my new build/upgrade but i was wroung
thanks for the tips.
The build I have currently is pretty similar I got the 3060ti after my field trip to the nearest microcenter only had that card in stock. I really enjoy the card and it performs excellent don't really miss the 3070 I originally wanted. I have the vengeance RAM but have the 32 gig version instead of 16. I found it more of a necessity as I really enjoy using RAM intensive programs and allows more ease when rendering or keeping the million tabs I have open without sacrificing performance when I decide to open up a game and keep the program in the background.
The 4000D Airflow doesn't include RGB, it has two of the standard black Airflow fans. So just buy two 3 packs of the SP fans if you want to ass the RGB.
So you RGB Ass?
That's what I thought
Theres is 4000D ql edition
I was thinking ml corsair fans
What you think about the new nzxt h7 flow
I definitely think these are good bang for your buck build lists. My only criticism is that the 4000D airflow comes with 2 x Non RGB fans. The 4000X comes with 3 x SP120 Elites and a lighting node core.
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He got me excited when he said that, but I was pretty sure it was only the 2x non RGB. The cost of Corsair fans has pretty much steered me towards doing a no RGB build
I just recently built a new system that is kind of a mix between these 2. I got a 6700xt for well under $400. I was willing to take the reduced performance compared to a 3060ti anyways because I always have a drive dedicated to Linux. I went with an i5-12600kf because the price was good enough and even though I'm not into overclocking, you get more for your money than just an unlocked multiplier on 12th Gen so I just went for it. 3600MHz Corsair vengeance RAM because I found a good price on it. An ASRock h670m itx motherboard, 2 team group 1tb m.2 ssds, a 2tb HDD, and a cooler master core V1 case. The whole build actually ended up being around $1250 but that's because I was careful and patient and caught everything I could on some kind of sale lol
Hi Jay, long time follower, short time computer complainer, the word you're looking for is "sought", love your content.
The one thing I would change on the amd build is the cooler. That hyper 212 will not cool the 5800x well. The 5800x runs very hot since it's cores are concentrated in one smaller spot when compared to other CPU. Top end 360 aio coolers still reach 85°C when under full load. The hyper 212 would probably be reaching above 80C while running a game. May get to the point of thermal throttling.
I would've gone for an SFF build by now if it weren't for my 5800x needing all the cooling it can get. The H1's 140mm gonna do anything, air coolers won't do much and the 240mms you can fit in others might only barely cover it.
I would highly disagree. The 212 wouldn't be worse than the Vetroo V5, that I run on my 5800x, in a Metallic Gear Neo Mini.
Can confirm my 5800x with a well mounted 360mm aio ran at 79-81 when running R23 on a 30min loop, would look at a big tower cool like a NH-D15 or Dark rock pro or get an artic liquid freezer 2 in either a 280 or 360mm flavour, but as always Jay talks a huge amount of sense with his part choices and the reasons behind it
LOL, and here I am running a 5900x in an X570 Dark Hero with Dynamic OC with a temporarily swapped arctic 280mm with a Vetroo V5 with two 120mm fans and I can run 4.8GHz single core / 4.4GHz all-core in Cinebench R23 without topping 80C (mid-70's with a minor undervolt). I only stuck the Vetroo in there because I was RMA'ing the Arctic Liquid freezer due to a little VRM fan squeal, the Vetroo isn't even close to the LF II 280mm performance, but it's good enough that I still haven't had the motivation to swap the CLC back in.
I admit that the 5900x has the advantage of only having six cores per CCX vs the 8 core CCX in the 5800x, and I also have a ton of airflow with a P500A with six 140mm fans, but I also run an RTX 3080 which is like a mini-nuke.
I'm willing to bet that the Hyper 212 with dual 120mm's would cool a stock 5800x just fine in a case with decent airflow.
@@racerex340 obviously I’m a sample size of one, so I can only comment on my own anecdotal evidence, airflow in the case not an issue it was in a 5000d airflow, I was getting just under 4.9ghz on single and 4.6 on multi so maybe mine was running that hot as it was boosting higher due to thermal head room?
i5 12600k ($279) and Gigabyte Z690 Gaming X DDR4 ($209) is a better cpu and mobo combo than you listed. Many other DDR4 Z690 boards available around $200.
+1
But why would you pick up a 12th gen CPU when its only big selling point is DDR5 compatibility?
@@Not_Hans 12th gen has multiple major selling points and DDR5 is only one of them, and basically not an upgrade currently. Going 12th gen also gives you the flexibility to move to that in the future while also having more performance in the present. I don't really see a downside
@@M1sterSuck the downside being you have to buy an entirely new mother board to adjust to DDR5 ram?
I mean, I get there's a theoretical boost in performance obviously with a new generation. But i think if you're not willing to start at that higher more expensive level, there's not really a reason to buy in to it.
At least in my opinion.
@@Not_Hans I’m not saying you should get the 12th gen with the expectation to upgrade to DDR5, just saying it’s better to have that option than not. And as I said entry cost is very similar for both at DDR4 and the performance increase is pretty substantial. There’s this weird idea that adopting 12th gen is inherently more expensive and it just isn’t
good on for doing a video about this jason for those people that are doing three first build it will help them a lot with what to get and not get for there first build mate. 😉😀
A list of hardware recommendations that can be obtainable at reasonable prices. Another great helpful guide from Jay. Only one difference, I'd rather pick up Crucial 16 GB cl19 instead of RAM mentioned in the video.
Why would you go with slower timings?
As awesome as it is that part pricing is coming down I still feel like prebuilts are incredibly competitive right now, so that is why I purchased an iBuyPower prebuilt recently. $1399 (with coupon from honey) For a Ryzen 5 5600x, Msi 3060ti, 16gbs ram dual @3200, 1Tb NVMe SSD, Asus B550 MB, and a 650w PSU. Bought on May 22nd delivered May 25th with no issues with fit of components or finish of case. It even got left in a puddle by USPS and the packaging insured no water got to the PC 😊 over all very happy, and I'm glad I didn't experience any of the horrible things Gamers nexus like to make videos about.
$1399 ? so you paid $1500 that's the real price with tax
@@oliverwilliam6931 Out the door with tax it was $1510.92
@@Kanati96 Not terrible, but nothing special considering the cost. Learning to build on your own would have prolly cost you the same cost, but you would have been able to up the vid card a notch, that's about it. For the peace of mind it's great. Unfortunately, you don't know if you're gonna win the lottery like you did and have no delays or issues with the build until it reaches your doorstep.
Right before next gen comes out...?
I have an Asus TUF RTX 3060ti. The cooler is overbuilt for it, but I love that it never gets hotter than 60c under intense load.
As a Corsair 7000D AF owner, if your PSU has intake (and most do now), I strongly recommend you mount it the PSU with the vented side facing down. Otherwise it might overheat. I have a 1000w titanium PSU and have had constant overheating problems and the fans ramping up noisily. But I think switching the fan direction fixed the issue for me!
This is a great and informative video, but there are a couple of disagreements I have with the philosophy of these builds, especially the AMD build:
1) There seems to be a bit too much of a focus on RGB. RGB is great, but if you're going $1500 there's a lot more to be had by saving even $75-100 by not focusing on RGB things. Now granted RGB is really fun and cool, and if it's something that makes a person happy then it can be worth it, but you don't need to spend $25-$50 extra for a motherboard with fancy RGB effects or etc if your tower is just gonna be under your desk never being looked at.
2) There is absolutely no reason to get a 5800x over a 5600x or 5600 non-X if you're just doing gaming and don't care about streaming/video editing (so 95%+ of PC gamers) and don't plan on playing only extremely CPU-demanding games like Cities Skylines. In most non-cpu-intensive games the framerate difference, including 1% lows, is within 1-2%, and if you give the 5600 a modest overclock it'll match the 5800x in almost anything that isn't CPU-bottlenecked. The $100+ saved there gets you super close or right at the budget room to upgrade the GPU to the next step up, which will be a far, far greater FPS bump than the 1% at best the 5800x will give. (Yes, 6 cores will still cut it for a LONG time. There's no reason to believe that 6 cores will become a bottleneck when even brand new AAA non-console-port releases can't use more than 6-8 threads efficiently. Even if it ends up at a 5% performance loss from not having an 8 core, the performance gains from the upgraded GPU will more than offset that.)
3) Unless there's a big enough sale to bring the price difference within 20-30 dollars, there is very little reason to get a X570 motherboard over a good quality B550 motherboard for the average gamer. At least in my mind there isn't. The average gamer doesn't need multiple gen 4 NVMe drives, they don't need ultra extreme overclocking potential, they don't really care if their motherboard runs 5 degrees hotter, and this is a $1500 budget build so nobody's thinking of SLI/X-Fire (not that anyone actually would with how few games support it anymore.)
4) 1 TB of storage is NOT enough for modern gaming due to most modern AAA games being 50-100 GB in size, and heck if you're gonna do older games like Skyrim and mod them, you can easily rack up 75-100 GB of space used for just that. I'd try to save 50-100 bucks on the other components and get a second 1TB SSD. Totally fine for MOBA/FPS pros who only play 3 games, but not good enough for people with a large Steam library.
Please let me know if my thinking is wrong in any of these points, but I definitely feel it's worth saving on some of those components, especially the CPU, to have either a higher GPU budget, or more money left over for games.
Wow. This is a book; homeboy gots feels
I would personally swap the 11700k for a 12600k as the e-cores are even more making a difference these times
What model of 12600K ?
@@applejuice5173 What do you mean by that? Just the i5 12600k or kf from intel
@@minted.2828 Thanks that's what I was looking for
cheap 64 GB of Viper Steel RAM made me go with a whole gun-metal asthetic. Really happy with how that turned out
Thanks for the pricing update. As for the fans, I think you *sought* them.
I would love to see a "reliability build", like this system will run 5+ years with zero maintainance stuff. I say this because my 3600 xt failed 2 days ago, so I have lots of doubt for anything tsmc touched. And also those corsair fans fail right and left when you operate them for a prolonged period. Graphics card vrm play a big role in their longevity
You know tsmc is going to be making part of Intel's future CPUs, Nvidia is going back to tscm for RTX 4000, Intel gpus are exclusively made at tsmc, and now everything AMD is tsmc since they moved away from Global Foundries? I don't see how you could distrust them just because you had one part made by them that just happened to fail.
@@mitlanderson my distrust is because of seeing failure rates after this incident. I was blinded by short term reviews of youtube. And I an kinda wrong too, it's not just tsmc. Apparently amd decides to apply unnatural voltages to these processors which wears them out quickly.
That's what scares me. Basically all the world is putting their eggs in one basket.
@@mjn96 i don't see what's unnatural about AMDs SoC voltages when you've got Intel going to 300W and Nvidia going to 600W. The chip designers design a chip with a predetermined voltage and current in mind, it's not like they'll design something that fails at stock so easily. Even if occasionally a few samples make validation and then fail after a year or so those chips are always in the massive minority.
@@mitlanderson I am afraid I fail to see your point. Wattage and voltage are different things. Also check out forums on amd website. There is quite a lot debate on the subject. And consider that cpu is not supposed to fail out of nowhere with normal daily use. Sure, it's a minority but it exists and is a huge inconvenience when it happens, that's why it's called "reliability" (I was about to do finishing touches on my thesis, now I have to postpone everything for 2 weeks)
Marginally higher DOAs could be an indicator of future high RMAs? (totally not sure on this one)
To be honest I am willing to pay extra if a company is willing to give guarantee in contract this machine will not fail until a certain date or else we will compensate your loss + replace the device immediately.
@@mjn96 well I'm pretty sure to address the tail end if your comment that's the equivalent of a warranty. If you're saying you'd pay more for a warranty that is valid over a longer product lifetime then I'd say I agree.
The 6750XT is the best value overall for AMD GPUs at this point. Often they're found for the same pricing as the 6700XT if you look around.
With Nvidia you get ray tracing
@@timothygibney159 Nvidia ray tracing is definitely more advanced, but honestly I prefer raw performance over ray tracing in any scenario. Ray tracing is really nice to have if you want some extra detail in lighting and shadows but in most games it really doesn't do much to increase your experience.