Choosing A New Dust Extractor For The Workshop
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- čas přidán 28. 05. 2024
- In this video I choose a new HVLP dust extractor for the workshop.
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0:00 Intro
0:20 Why I Need A New Extractor
4:02 Choosing The New Extractor
11:04 Set Up & First Impressions
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I mentioned in a previous video that I needed an HVLP extractor in order to provide enough airflow (1000 cubic metres per hour) to my new table saw the Axminster AT254SB. So in this video I spend some time figuring out which extractor to buy out of the following options:
Axminster AC153E + cartridge filter
Axminster AC82E + cartridge filter
Axminster AT50E
Axminster AT60E
Axminster AT170E
Charnwood W696CF
Charnwood W691CF
Charnwood W796CF
Charnwood W791CF
SIP 01954 + cartridge filter
Fox F50-842
Laguna B Flux 1
iTech DC001 + cartridge filter
Draper 153L
The main considerations for me when choosing in order of importance were: Size - as small and compact as possible. Cost - I wanted to spend around £300 or maximum £500. Noise - as quiet as possible. Power - I wanted as much power as I could get for my money. And the extractor must have a cartridge / cannister style filter either with it or available to buy separately in order to provide better filtering of fine dust particles (e.g. 1 micron filter). I also set up the extractor, add some ducting and give a first impressions style review of the Charnwood W796CF
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I put my extractor in a closet I added to the outside of my shop. A couple of advantages...I can barely hear it, just enough to know it's running and whatever it picks up is gone, don't have to worry about the quality of the filter. And, it does not take up space in the shop. Put it's noisy cousin, the air compressor out there with it. One disadvantage is I have to go out there occasionally to check the bin and see if it's getting full. On one or two occasions I have reached about 150% of capacity. If I lived in the country I would just blow the stuff out into the woods. Thanks for posting, I like your spread sheet idea. I am also impressed with the fact you use recycled materials often.
Cheers. I did just that at my old workshop! It was a good set up
HVLP extractors use induction motors running at 3000 RPM, so are inherently quieter. An LVHP extractor uses a brushed motor running at > 10,000 RPM - both the motor and the impeller make more noise, and at frequencies that are harder to silence. You are correct in having both- it is the only way to cover the extraction needs of a workshop with both hand power tools and large machinery. Excellent explanation of the options.
Great video. I'm glad you are keeping the overhead dust guard on its own collector. That will be extremely effective dust collection!
Do love your process for choosing a new bit of kit Keith.
Very nice system mate and the general layout of the workshop is great as it can be adapted to suit your needs. Great video chap
Awesome video, I think this one will be going in my workshop as well the ease of emptying these style extractors is very appealing 👍 great job as always Keith 🙌
I don't have a workshop of my own, and it might be some time before I do but I really enjoy these videos and will definitely be revisiting this series if I ever do get around to needing these tools. Thanks!
I don’t need dust extraction, don’t even have a workshop. Still enjoyed the video for some reason 🤷🏼♂️👍
lol made me laugh that
Legendary lol
Good choice Keith , i have a charnwood small wall mounted 10 years now no problems.
Very interesting. Makes me think i might need a bigger extractor
Man you're shop has really improved since I started watching you. I love watching the journey and seeing people continuing to grow. Congrats, all these improvements are well deserved
Thank you
When I got my laguna 14-12 bandsaw, I quickly realized that like it says in its documentation, my shopvac was just not enough air flow for dust collection. Then I researched similar for power, size, etc. And ended up getting the laguna pflux 1.5HP unit...it is nice and quiet (my shop vac seems louder), it does hepa filtering, and has a cyclone built in, plus had either one 6" port or dual 4" ports (which I ended up using). So far I really love it. It was expensive, but I got it during the 10% off sales that they were having. So far this works for my bandsaw, table saw, router table, jointer, planer, sanders, etc. Thanks for explaining all the details for your choice. :)
Great video, great choice. Considering the desired characteristics of your system there seem to be a fair number of choices. This indicates how popular this type of dust collector is. Simple and straight forward and the powerful lower speed induction motor produces a less shrill noise.
I purchased one here in the States under the Delta Machinery brand that matches your specs and I love it. However I needed to add a .3 micron cartridge filter afterwards making the entire cost $515 US.
Health is important, and that you do a vídeo about it can help other carpenters to be careful, dust air everyday, not a good thing at all. You are so so so funny toó. Hope you are happy with your purchase.
Good review and thanks for giving through your thought process. It has occurred to me that although the charnwood and Axminster are probably the same machine the warranty on the Axminster is three times as long, might be worth a few quid extra. Also I've had the same issue with incorrect specs on websites. I've found the q and a section on Axminster's website a useful resource where owners of the tools have been willing to measure their machines and report back. Cheers
Thanks for this overview! I just back-ordered the AT50E (via your affiliate link), your video made the choice much easier.
Hi Keith. I think you have the best configuration using your new extractor for dedicated suction under the table. There will be less dust
escaping through the cut due to the increased pull achieved. The point you mentioned about it being quieter is also a big advantage. Tony
congratulations on your new purchase
glad you went with charnwood this is what I want to get for my new workshop
Good video. One thing you might have not mentioned is the electrical load. I have a Festool CTL MIDI and Makita 3011L dust extractors which run 1200watts. Add my Table Saw (or planer) and the total connected load is about 3000 watts and this is close max on one circuit at 230v. With a dust collector at 550-750 watts you are able to run on one circuit easily. (my 16A 230V circuit breaker occasionally trips if I have lights, chargers and on and use my planer and Makita 3011L).
Another great review, thanks 👍
Cheers great video. The dust flapper handles sticking up would drive me nuts. It looks like you can mount it so the handles point down at the sides of the filter. Maybe it’s easier to turn with em up there.
Thank you so much this was a great video. I do like those cartridge filters. Great vid Keith cannot wait for the next one
Very informative, thanks kieth 👍
Nice vid Keith, I learnt quite a lot about cartridge filters. Thanks very much.
Thank you
Really useful video, I'm currently looking to change and upgrade my extraction system
Thank you for sharing. 🙌🏻 Flip the filter cleaning handle mate.
brilliant review thanks
Remote controls for one’s tools. I bought remote controllers designed for outdoor Christmas lights. Been using them for years. The handheld controller controls 3 outlets. I don’t remember the price but they were way cheaper than anything I saw in the tool catalogues.
Great video, Keith. Love a good spreadsheet when they're used for high data analysis, however yours just proves the point that if the information is rubbish then your still working on gut instinct. It's like having a talking Which? review. Excellent stuff 👍
Rule 1 for data processing - garbage in, garbage out (GIGO)
Having nearly finished building my new workshop, I'll soon be in the market for a decent, well priced dust extraction system so your video was well received. I like the look of the Charnwood so may go for that option. Did you not consider leaving the unit on a wheeled base so that it could be operated nearer to a machine? This would increase the efficiency and avoid dodgy pipework along the floor. Thanks again for a great video that was very informative, you have saved me a lot of research time.
Soooo helpful! Thank you
Hiya Keith nice video again I was lucky that my boss at work had a redundant extractor stood around doing nothing so gave him a cheeky but fair offer and he shuck on the deal jus need to get it set up now
Comprehensive as ever Keith. A cheap remote control for the outlet socket feeding the dust extractor should work fine, available everywhere for under £20 so cheaper than a sparky, even on mates rates 😉
On the dust extractor I believe you should be able to flip the arm on the top for the brushes Inside to minimise the vertical area it takes. As that is how my one is set up (my one is not the same as yours though).
Great video. I use Alexa and cheap smart plugs to turn lights, dust extraction etc. on and off in my workshop.
Hey mate, cheers for the shout out! With the power ratings the reason the same machines are rated differently is that some are tested without the bags on or even any pipe (naughty). With the pipe I used osma solvent cement (cheaper option). Lastly the filter cleaning handle i put the other way up, maybe horses for courses. Wait till you put the thicknesser on it, the shavings are mesmerising. I use remote plugs from amazon you can up to 8 plugs on one remote, cost is under 10 gbp!
Interesting! Cheers Jack 👍
Great video as always mate, certainly helped with my purchasing choice. 😃👍🏻
Thanks Matt, good to here from you mate I hope you are keeping well?
@@RagnBoneBrown Fully and permanently cured, just living a very reclusive life these days! Really really impressed with your channel success,you’ve gone from really good to outstanding! Well done!
Another Awsome video 🙂 would be great to see you make and fit some acoustic panels it would make the workshop a lot nicer environment and quieter to work in .
Awesome video👍🏻
Theres me using an old henry hoover lol. I was given a fein m class extractor but its 110v so needs a transformer. One day i might be able to afford one.
I have to say ive gotta give you credit on the way you use a spread sheet to help decide. Interesting video
I’ve just revisited this video Keith as I need one for my new planer thicknesser. Glad I did as I almost clicked to buy the CTS chip collector that Matt from Badger Workshop has, but on their website it only say litres per second for the airflow. When I found a conversion chart I realised it is around 194m3 / h and my PT needs 1000m3/h!
Hi Leo, yeah all the vacuum extractors have very low air flow, best going for an hvlp for the planer 👍
Thanks!!
I know this is an old video, but having the same system i thought i’d share that i just recently decided to bin the filters and vent direct outside. I don’t understand the physics of it but WOW what a difference. Seems like suction has been increased 5 fold!
i got the same kinda setup for my table saw, thing is since i upgrade my dust collector i completely got rid of my crownguard portion, fitting the new dustcollector to only the cabinet port did the job suprisingly, maybe thats something to look in to so u dont have the need to have 2 dustcollectors
I bought mine at170e few years back, it comes with cartridge as standard, dunno how u got that's not, it's a beast compared to what u got, not on quiet site, but overall happy with it
I fully expected the Axminster to come out top of your list Keith...Well played for going with the Charnwood, despite the fact you could have used your own link to Axminster and earn some commission. 😂.. Personally i would have gone for the Laguna (having just splashed out on a 16/32 Drum sander, and it is superbly made)... The piping you bought is cheap at TLC, i might have to try and tidy my extraction out... Cheers Keith for the video and info
i plan on buying the AXMINSTER TRADE AT254LTS TABLE SAW when its back in stock i've bookmarked your affiliate axminster page so i will for sure use it. it mite be worth telling people in a video if they will bookmark your page to. love your vids great contents as allways
Thank you
Just what I was looking for. Ta mate.
Excellent and helpful video! What amperage is required?
NICE ONE
great iformative vedio
whats the db on the dust collector you bought?
I look forward to the video where you revisit your choices to get a dust extractor WITH cyclone.
Isn't Excel great? I know it has been derided for ever by people labelling every Excel user a nerd, but your use of a simple spreadsheet to make complex decisions shows it for the great tool it is. This video also highlights the limited use of 'technical specifications' on websites. Lockdown has increased online sales - but if the information is incorrect or just made up then returns will be similarly increased, boosting road use even more.
A very informative and helpful video. Very many thanks. The reason for my comment now is this:
I'm interested in the air quality monitoring you mention and show a display of particle measurement at the 14:15 point. Could you tell me what that display is part of and where I might obtain such a display?
So I have to spend 1/3rd of my adult life setting up my wood working shop to then start making actual stuff? Ok im in!
Hi, thanks for this helpful video. Have you cut MDF on your table saw? If so how was the extraction on the finer dust? I need to find a new solution for my set up, but my space is very limited. Thanks.
I simply use remote control plug sockets for my dust extraction, works perfectly.
Really helpful video, thanks. Does getting an HVLP system negate the need for an LVHP one? I'm trying to decide which is more suitable for my workshop, or if I'll need both like you have.
I thought of mentioning these guys when you did your table saw video but didn't realise you would be buying any more machines just yet. Have you been into Norfolk saw services? They have many machines on display in there showroom and I find it is always advantageous to actually see and feel the quality, its of the machines before purchasing them. I have a record power wall hung extractor hplv system and have been getting dust everywhere. You are producing great content which I really could have done with when I bought my kit!keep going loving how far your shop has come :)
Yeah I've visited once before, but it's a bit of a gamble for me going all that way only to find that the machines I'm interested in may not be there
So it’s been awhile since you bought this unit what are your thoughts now? Can you do another short video? All the best.
Nice analysis and presentation. Which air quality monitor do you use?
Hey, great video! Can you make a video for recommended "quiet" tools to use?
I'd suggest looking for induction motors on larger machines, and brushless.motors on hand operated cordless tools, both very quiet
Quality bit of kit, is it possible to mount those handles the other way up to free up some vertical space for a shelf above it?
Hiya Jack, yes it is, and I suspect that's how they should be mounted (I've probably done it wrong)! 😂
@@RagnBoneBrown You could always bolt a picture between the handles so it looks like one of those spinning garage signs!
Can you tell me please what the filter would be like for fine dust I run a cnc router and machine al lot of MDF like the look of the extractor you got nice and compact, but would the filter let the dust back in to the workshop
Did you connect up a cyclone to it to collect most of the chips? I'm trying to come up with a shop solution without spending a fortune but I dont want any dust in my shop. Considering a "big" Ax or Charnwood with a cyclone and 2 x100mm vents. One will be hooked up to 100MM pipes to my tools, and the second will go to a Catapilla high velocity fan. So instead of have a air purifier with filters I blow all the dust in the air into the collector. So it should work even if the collector is off. But when it is on with the fan it might work even better since its sucking AND blowing down the 100mm pipes. I just came up with this last night, so I might be talking shite.
Please can you tell me what type and model of filter is for cement or concrete dust. when doing a polish. thanks
Hi Keith, thanks for the video! Very informative. Out of interest was there a reason you didn’t include any of the CamVac products in your shortlist?
They don't make any HVLP extractors as far as I'm aware
You could have taken that wall mount model and built a simple cart for wheeling around. Most people do that. I managed to put a larger 2HP model on a mobile cart.
As you said, they’re all basically the same, so decibel levels will be very similar for similar models between brands.
You can’t really trust the figures manufacturers put out anyway, including more critical power and cfm ratings.
where did you purchase the Charnwood extractor from? I'm struggling to find one
Any links to the air quality reader?
Here in Brazil some cheaper models come with a plastic blower/blades and it's a bummer. If a small piece of wood is dragged into the dust collector it usually brakes the blades. A shame we don't have canister filters here too. A lot of ppl I know has fitted truck air filters to achive a similar result.
Can you please tell me if you have a Thicknesser does this setup remove the chippings
Looks like you found a good one! Do you have a link to where you got that air quality monitor you showed at the end of the video? I like the display, and the way it measures lots of different particle sizes. I looked on your Amazon stores but didn't see it.
I currently have a fairly high end air monitor from Dylos, recommended by dust collection guru Bill Pentz. It's super accurate (with a price to match), but it only measures two particle sizes and has a primitive, two-line display. Right now I have it in my house to keep of the indoor air quality, since half of California seems to be on fire and the smoke has been horrible. It would be good to have a couple of cheaper ones too, maybe one for outdoors and one for the shop.
Hi Laura, the air quality device is from eBay if you search for "air quality sensor" you'll find them 👍 they're pretty cheap. I'm not sure how accurate they are but they seem to work well
Rag 'n' Bone Brown Thanks! I just ordered one of them from eBay. From the item description I couldn't tell whether it has a bunch of sensors for different particle sizes, or if there's just one and it's extrapolating for the other sizes. When it shows up I'll test it against my Dylos meter and report back on how accurate it is. And maybe I'll open it up and see what's inside.
Cheers, I'll be interested to hear! 👍
Hi Keith I also have the dx1000 and I agree it's so noisy like it's actually louder than the thicknesser it's attached to 🔊 that system seems to be picking up just about everything doesn't it, so that's a great result.
Ps these companies should hire you to Prof read their stats 🤔😉
karlpopewoodcraft A dust collector that's louder than a thicknesser (or planer in US-speak) is horrifying! My DeWalt planer is by far the loudest tool in my shop. I can't imagine adding to the noise with an equally loud extractor. My current, cobbled-together extractor (blower off of Craigslist, cartridge filter from Wynn, cyclone from Oneida, bin from a trash can :-) isn't exactly quiet, but it's not _that_ loud.
@@laurawerner hi Laura I should by a sound meter and actually test them in a comparison shouldn't I.
karlpopewoodcraft That's a great idea. I'll try to do the same. I think I have an ancient sound level meter kicking around here somewhere, and if not there's probably an app for that on iPhone.
Cheers Karl, I've never used an HVLP until now, I'm impressed so far. Haven't hooked it up to the planer yet tho
Erm, is the handle for the filter paddle not on upside down? Should the handles not go down the way?
Do you have any lvhp or dual motor vacuum extractors that you would recommend? Are vacuum extractors shop vacs? Is there a specific horsepower/air suction that I need and would it be able to deal with removing dust from the base port and the crown guard with a splitter? Thanks so much for your advice :)
Thanks for the video, would you consider adding a cyclone to race the filters a bit. Or would that be completely useless?
No need since the filter stays clean without one
I have a dust extracted (Shepach) with an NVR switch, It’s a PITA because I can’t use a master slave switch or remote to turn on dust extraction when I power up the tool
Where did you get the pipe, 45° corners and clips please?
Nice video. Could you use smart plugs and an Alexia to switch your extractor on and off. I guess volume for the switch off might be an issue though
Yeah it's possible but not as convenient as what I'm planning 👍
Rag 'n' Bone Brown look forward to seeing what you come up with.
Great video, Keith. How is the dust extractor getting on? Would you still recommend? Thanks
Yes happy with it
Thanks for this one..... Really useful as I commented on Ur link on Instagram I'm in the market for a good extraction system.... One question for you though have you got an air filtration system?
Thanks. Yes I do
@@RagnBoneBrown which one have u got?
just wondered where did you get the air moniter
I like your videos generally but these tool choice videos are really good. When I'm browsing for tools (that I can't afford) I really would make a spreadsheet as it would stop me having to go back to different websites to check the specs again and again. I too wish they would put accurate and complete specs on their websites. What is the grey electrical box next to your numatic extractor? Does that work with the remote control you have?
Thanks. The grey box has some electrical wizardy inside for the remotes. My friend sorted it for me, he's a sparky.
Hi what would you recommend for a small workshop and dewalt portable table saw? I would ideally like one extractor and split between the base and the crown guard.
If you don't have any large machines with 100mm ports, get an lvhp or vacuum extractor with dual motors
Thanks so much for replying - really appreciate your advice. Do you have any you would recommend? Apologies a bit of a novice but what does lvhp stand for? Are vacuum extractors shop vacs? Is there a specific horsepower/air suction that I need? Thanks so much!
Many thanks for this video. It is one of the most useful I have watched in a long time. I also have a DX1000 and whilst it does collect a lot of dust it does leave a lot lying on the base of my table saw (an HW110LGE-30) which I feel is a bit of a fire hazard. Now that you have your new dust extractor for a while are you finding that it keeps the base of your table saw clear?
Yeah it's doing a great job so far
@@RagnBoneBrown I've ordered an AC82E and filter through your link. I chose it mainly because the airflow exceeds 1000m3/hr and it runs off a 13 amp supply whereas some of the other machines need a 16 amp supply. The only problem is that it has an NVR switch which makes it a bit more complicated to control remotely.
Hi there. I have just bought the Axminster table saw as you have and am looking for a new more powerful extractor. I like the Axminster AT60E but as you point out it doesn't come with a 100mm hose as standard and to add one on is around £100.00. However I have also looked at the Charnwood W796CF but can't find it for anywhere near the price you had on your spreadsheet. The prices I have looked at are all over £700. Could you advise where you bought yours from please.
Hi Richard, prices have risen a lot since last year due to Brexit and covid. Still, a Google search shows £606 at manomano £619 on eBay, £528 Kendal tools, £418 WestCountry machinery...?
Hi Keith, what is the rubber flooring you have in your workshop?
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If you were to goto the Dust collection factorys in Taiwan ,you would see all the brands listed being built by the same 5-9 year old kids . Each week is a different brand ( color)but the components are 99% the same . Just get the lowest cost and the highest hp needed and forget brand loyalty
Have you tried it on the thicknesser ? I have a Charnwood (next size down ) I really like it, but due to its design the impeller is protected from oversize by a steel "cross shape" baffle. Your unit may be designed differently ! As a result it blocked very easily so for ever stopping to clean ,I think this common with many makers of this style, I ended up making a simple drop out drum that couples between the outlet of the thicknesser and inlet of the extractor
Yes I have used it on the thicknesser, but only for narrow strips of wood so far. I suspect I'll get blockages if I try to plane any wider boards, and I had expected that I'd need to cut away the baffle at some point
Any particular reason the Record Power CX3000 or CX2500 didn't make it into your excellent spreadsheet?
Hi
Which web site did you buy the Charnwood from please?
I can’t find it anywhere at that price.
Another good video. Thanks again.
Poolewood
Where did you buy your extractor from?
where did you buy your dust collector from?
Great review Keith. Saved me a load of time, other than your selected model is out of stock until August. 😀
Do you include VAT in your prices? What is noticeable with you showing what the prices were is how much these things have gone up in 20 months. You show the W796CF as £416 (+vat?) and it is now £738 (inc). 😱
Yeah prices have gone up crazily. These prices were inclusive of vat
@@RagnBoneBrown Axminster had an AW118CE on clearance at £467 (list £819) so got that. its huge but 13a, 2hp and built in cyclone. Now just need to find somewhere to put it!! Thanks again for the review.
Can these machines also be used with the smaller tools? Or is a lvhp machine needed for hand tools??
Lvhp is best for hand tools
Ha ha the handles the wrong way up !!!! I only know this as I’ve just built my felder unit.
Also where did you get the air quality device ?
Haha oops! The air quality device is from eBay if you search for "air quality sensor" you'll find them 👍
Beat me to this comment 🤣
Love the videos sir! Just one question, the posh filter, whats the lifespan of that? I was also looking at the Scheppach Woova 3.0 with similar fine filter but wondering if buying a vac for machine mess and a separate dust collector is a better solution?. Still impressed with the extractor a few months on? Also, the dust monitor, which one is that? Keep up the good work!
I think the filter should last well, I don't imagine I'll ever replace it. Yes happy with the extractor still. HVLP is best for large machines, LVLP for smaller machines (generally)
@@RagnBoneBrown much appreciated!
Hasn't peter Millard published a video on starting 2 machines at once? Like your bids.
Do you have the excel spreadsheet?, I know you did you, you always do :D