My New Workshop Dust Extraction System
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- čas přidán 14. 11. 2019
- In this video I install my new dust extraction system.
This video covers the extractor machines themselves, the ducting, how I connected all my tools, and installing a pillar to the centre of the workshop from which to run services.
Part 1 - Blast Gates video : • Making DIY Blast Gates...
Part 2 - Dust Cyclone Separator video : • Making A Workshop Dust...
Here are links to all the products mentioned in the video. Please note I earn a small commission from any purchases:
Numatic NVD750 (Axminster) - www.tagserve.com/clickServlet...
Numatic HEPA Micro Filter (Axminster) - www.tagserve.com/clickServlet...
Numatic NVD750 (Axminster) - www.tagserve.com/clickServlet...
My old dust extraction video (featuring detail about the Numatic NVD750): • My New Dust Extraction...
The extractors I mention that are all the same machine:
Record Power DX1000: geni.us/SW3Np (Amazon UK)
Rutlands Extractor: geni.us/MTD0 (Amazon UK)
Charnwood DC50: geni.us/xToRdW (Amazon UK)
Rikon Dust Extractor: geni.us/rd3Wr (Amazon USA)
And there may be more!
Charnwood W685P extractor: geni.us/1fiLm7q (Amazon UK)
Metabo SPA1200 extractor: geni.us/0gh8tY3
Dust Commander HD: geni.us/jorRH (Amazon UK)
10 Minute Workshop (Peter Millard's channel) : / @10minuteworkshop
Marius Hornberger's video about grounding a PVC system: • Bigger Workshop and Ne...
Grounding PVC and other Dust Collection Myths article: www.woodcentral.com/articles/...
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Who needs time stamps at the beginning of the video... you know we're going to watch every single second! Really enjoyed it and learned a few things too!
Thanks David! If only everyone felt the same 😂
You spell Amazon wrong
Some great ideas especially the rubber connections using inner tube, Thank you and Peter Millard
Golly, I'm suddenly afflicted with workshop envy! Congrats, Keith,
You could have a remote control in your pocket, or attached to your person in a secure place. That way, a remote control is always within reach of you regardless where you are in the shop. Was curious how strong the suction would be, but pleased to see the demonstration on your face. Strong than I expected!
I did that at my old workshop and kept losing the remotes, having two permanently close to my main machines is working much better for me
@@RagnBoneBrown So I'm not the only one then! Fair enough ha
Quick tip: When putting innertube over the black pipe, a quick spray with silicone lube will make it much easier.
Hey there Keith I've gone with 68mm pipe for my dust collection and installed all the ceiling runs when I insulated the roof. It's the availability of parts that determined the size. I have used HDF (Hardboard) for my gates in MDF frames and they work well. The only issue I have with finishing the project is that both my shop Vac and chip extractor can't move to their final positions until I've finished installing cabinets on one side of the workshop and so it's easier just to connect the shop vac. An alternative to bicycle inner tubes is large diameter heat heat shrink or shrink wrap.
Cheers Karl, are you going to make a video on it?
@@RagnBoneBrown Yes almost certainly. Folk on Instagram have been really interested in the custom-fit dust collection fittings (especially the 90 degree one for may DeWalt Mitre Saw) and so I've filmed all the little bits and pieces I've done. I've made a point of moving to a dust-free shop and I'm toying with a down draft table idea for one of my cabinet bench tops - imagine mitre bench with many more holes in it. Anyway
LOVE the mitered base and upright segment. Great video. Thank you.
Boy, you are hooked up now!! Great dust collection system and I learned a new trick with the rubber inner tube. I just happen to have two still in the box. They are not 68 mm, but I suspect I'll find a use for friction fittings. I am beaming for you. The shop is really coming along beautifully, and you should be very proud of all you have accomplished just a few month's time. I predict in a year's time, you will be doing this full time. I relate to you in that we both salvage materials and repurpose them. I went through a life change when my spouse died recently and my monthly income was cut on half. I struggle to make ends meet each month, and I am disabled, so working is out of the question. However, I still have a large inventory of items leftover from my Etsy store. And other than a lathe, I have every tool I need to continue making. You have inspired me to get back to making and selling again. Thank you for that. Your exuberance over your new shop has motivated me in away no one else could do.
Thank you so much, it's really nice to read this kind of comment 😀makes it all worth while
I love your videos. I REALLY love that we’re (more or less) at the same point in our “new” workshop. I am hoping to build my dust collection into my workshop by the end of this month, actually.
Looking good Keith, coming along really nicely
Well done Keith, from seeing you starting to build up your business and now living the dream in your fantastic workshop well done.
Your going to have a nice clean shop Keith oh and lungs 😉. It will definitely be worth the effort in the end. 😊
Cheers Karl excited to get it finished 👍
Another great video Keith, some really clever solutions getting all the pipes to fit together, especially the use of inner tubing!
Nice one, although I had the impression that the way Peter uses the inner tube is inside the pipe (over the male and inside the female), as opposed to a sleeve over both parts? I could be wrong, and it seems your method works well anyway.
Also, you're right that in addition to using smooth walled pipe, the better air flow is due to the larger pipe diameter. It's easy to think that small pipe = more pressure = more suction, but given the vacs you're using are leaning more towards being HVLP, then larger pipe = more air flow.
Love the cheek suction test!
I stumbled upon the inner tube solution while grappling with incompatible hose diameters. It works really well - and had the added satisfaction of recycling old tubes. I’ve also used tubes for holding overhead flexi hose, providing non-slip feet, providing a grippy surface on a dowel in a drill press to sand and finish a wooden ring, replacement toilet hinge gasket, providing a non-marring, shock-absorbing tie-back strap, replacing missing caps on my roof rack bars. Etc. Saved literally hundreds of pounds with one old cycle tube.
Great stuff Keith, and cheers for the shout-out! Good old trick that inner-tube one, I’ve used it for all kinds! 😆👍👍
it is a great tip 👍 no worries
Fantastic job keith ! doing a workshop refurb in the new year and this will help a ton ! thanks! a rooky mistake of mine was not setting up for dust collection in the past, i was just starting out and i think it will be worth all the effort and money in the long term.
Well thought out, well executed and hopefully a good operation only time will tell well done Keith
nicely done Keith, the workshop is looking good!
Cheers 😀 it's fully functioning now pretty much 👍
Just finishing the building of the new workshop and I'm planning to use 100mm pipes (prob the axminster kit - it looks like it'll just about cover my needs with the vacs, etc, I have). I'll keep you posted how it works out... Assuming it does work out.... You seem to have all your bases covered and everything looks very efficient. It will, I'm sure, be good to get back to making stuff again. I know I'm fed up with building the bloody thing! Best aye!
Hello,
the dust removal system of the new workshop is fine. One of the most important systems for workshops is the dust extraction system. Thank you for sharing. embrace greetings....
Great video. Enjoyed watching that as I like to find innovative ways of overcoming problems.
As an aside, I find an oscillating tool is good for cutting gutter and downpipe upvc without sending 'sticky' dust everywhere
Ive got the Record Power extractor, and use it for my planer. Has worked very well for a couple of years.
I always learn something useful from your videos, very detailed, informative and well demonstrated. Thanks for sharing. Take care.
Super jealous at your space. Looking nice 👍🏻
Great job Keith, this should serve you well!
I really like the frame you made on the floor
Looking good mate, coming together nicely.
Excellent video Keith. I've been toying with 68mm pipe for my dust system but couldn't work out how to join them. Top tip with the inner tube. Thanks.
shop is looking great. Well done.
Hah! Hornburger? Great name!!
Hi Keith another good video, you could dip the rubber in boiling water to make it more pliable and you can get 2 wire style jubilee clips which might work better with the flexible hose keep up the good work ,G
This video was fascinating. Thank you so much for making it.
Great looking system!!
This looks great, good video. I like the blast gates. The only thing I would recommend is to round off the corners of the frame around the bottom of the central pillar before someone catches their foot on a sharp corner. Just cutting them at 45 degrees in situ would help a lot. Great workshop, I too have the envy bug now!
Very nice instalation !!!
Love watching theses videos. Just planning my workshop build and these videos create workshop envy 😉. Watching how you set up and organise your workspace is great, keep em coming.
Thanks John 👍
Excellent video mate. Some really clever ideas that I’ll definitely use in my upcoming workshop. I’ve subscribed. 👍🏻
Excellent video Keith, I'm currently using 40 mm flexible piping. I think solid drain pipes are a much better solution, this can be my project over Christmas!
Excellent video, thanks for the rundown 👏
Fantastic. Dust collection is a mine field. I need to sort that out in my small workshop but dont know what to use
Thanks for this, looks quite professional
Going to be looking for something soon. Have a Karcher vacuum but the fine sawdust clags the hep filter all the time. I think I need a cyclonic filter before it hits the vacuum.
Also, I have since found the vacuum really needs a lower speed, shorter hose and larger diameter.
I'm Sarah, I make kids wooden outdoor play equipment and dust extraction is my nightmare, I would love to pay somebody to install this at my workshop, I purchased 2 axminster dust collectors and thought they were crap, because the sales guy told me that the Jet dust collector I purchased wouldn't work when reducing suction to my machinery that was 50mm ad below. So I exchanged, i don't heal it of time as I'm jack of all trades master of none lol
This is excellent! Youve come long way although you didnt start with bare minimum. Great work!!
Hi Keith, thanks for the video. Definitely one I've been waiting for as I'll soon be doing something similar. Was going to use duct tape for mine but your idea of inner tube got me thinking about something else - self amalgamating tape. Less than 3 quid from Screwfix. Regarding the efficiency and airflow, it is almost certainly due to the extra diameter. You have trebled the cross-sectional area by going with the larger pipe. I work a lot with high vacuum systems and we always use a larger diameter pipe when the distance has to be increased.
never heard of it, just looked it up, looks like that could be a great idea!!! And much less hassle, if it works
An excellent and informative video. Thank you
Nice system Keith. One thing to keep an eye on with the inner tube is any signs of it perishing; I used smaller tube to make my own bandy clamps but found I only got about a year out of it before it fell to bits. Might be because my shop’s not insulated so the temp swings didn’t help.
Great video Keith. Try immersing the rubber inner tube in hot water to make it more flexible. Best wishes from Yorkshire.
Wish manufacturers all used the same size outlets for dust extraction. Great video but it shouldn’t be so difficult to safely extract dust from the machines we buy!
A lot of work and faffing went into this, as always seems to be the case trying to connect everything. Good job on finding your solutions though mate. Those silicone reducers have saved me a few times now.
Nice one Keith, looks good I like the inner tube idea. I have the Rutland extractor for my lathe, Thicknesser and Bandsaw (on offer at £60) but its not GREEN so i can see why you got the Record Power one. Your shop is coming on nice
Thanks for your explanation 👍
Epoxy and twine, that is a trick I will definitely be using. Thanks! It's brilliant.
Another good one is if the pipe joint fits together fairly well, but has a bit of clearance that creates an air leak, you can coat the inside of the joint with vaseline, which will seal it up and doesn't get hard. Best of all it's cheap.
I’ve found having multiple dust extractors works for me, the blast gates everywhere seem a nightmare but I understand it’s not cheap to purchase multiple extractors, horses fo courses mate
Quick tip when tighten jubilee clips used a socket wrench the screwheads are cheap and normally damage very easily so while doing them up with a drill driver is quick but undoing later after they have corroded a bit is tricky. Also Markers Central 3 has just been announced would be Awsum to See you there👍 lovecyour Channel 👊
I was thinking of doing this near exact thing, glad I watched this vid, good info /tips
Norfolk Saw Services had the DX1000 at £99 when they had their open day a few weeks ago when I bought mine!
Great video Keith i've been looking forward to this video. The Rutlands 63mm piping is the same as what i have but haven't put up yet, and i also didn't get it from there either as i also thought for the price, there wasn't enough parts which meant going back to them to buy the parts.
That was until i found Turners Retreat which also do the machines, including the one that you got the Record Power one. I bought my pipes and extras from there and picked my moments to get the stuff as i wasn't in a rush for them, so the sales came in handy. Cheers.
Barry (Wirral, ENG)
Cheers Barry, have never heard of tuner's retreat - will check it out 👍
@@RagnBoneBrown turners-retreat.co.uk roll over the machinery tab then down to dust collection, the rest of the site isn't too bad. Cheers.
Barry.
Excellent video, I'm about to make something similar and have been inspired by your video to buy a m class numatic extractor. I've noticed a possible choke point in the airflow of your system...the 50mm input and output on the cyclone....there's Chinese cyclones i've seen online that have a 75mm input/output which is closer to the 68mm diameter of your ducting, switching to one of them should hopefully increase your airflow...though it looks absolutely great as it is.
Well done for all that effort! It's what puts me off from doing something similar - I can't help feeling that it should be possible to get connectors that actual fit without faffing about (inside diameter of one pipe = outside diameter of connector is, apparently, rocket science...)
i know, it's crazy! If you set it up though you won't regret it 👍
helpful video. Thanks a lot :)
Very interesting mini-series. i watched all three parts after each other. Thanks for sharing. Could you please give a summary of the costs all together?
Cheers Hans. I didn't really keep track, but I'd say approx £60 for all the ducting, £60 for the cyclone, £10 for the dust barrel, £12 for the 4 by 4 post and about £6 for the innertubes. Maybe another £20-30 on adapters and hose. Everything else I already had.
@@RagnBoneBrown Thanks.
Great work, wish you could come to Sweden and help me with my planed garage to woodwork shop 👍👍
Glad I became a Patreon to your channel. The videos are a great source of information and give me definite information to follow. Really enjoy the issues and remind me of things I've thought of but not followed through.
Thanks James 👍
Hi keith, to get that inner tube on you could use something resembling a cricket bat grip cone and roll it on. I doubt you would find anything exactly the right size so would have to fabracobble something, but I think it would work...
Great vid as usual. Thought the spider was on my PC screen for a second..
😂😂😂
The bottom of your downpipe could be adapted easily so you could sweep the floor with a broom and be able to vacuum up your shavings
Okay, I admit I watched the bit at 15:00 more than once, hilarious!
If I was you I would keep on the lookout for a 100mm cyclone as that would greatly increase your airflow
they're crazy expensive unfortunately
@@RagnBoneBrown I was looking for these and had written them off as well, however I did see that Axminster are now selling a "craft" badged cyclone either on its on (~£100) or with movable bin and sacks for £142 - still not exactly cheap, but better than the crazy prices I have seen before. have a search for "Axminster Craft ACCIH Cyclone Interceptor Head" One for the Christmas list maybe!
Static is no problem at this scale. Static is a problem with very high volume and high pressure systems. It's totally OTT for home shops, I feel like youtubers just do it to save themselves from criticism ha
I agree, in a small shop with smaller amounts of dust it shouldn't be a problem. I've read a lot of stuff about static when I was planning to install my own piping, is a real pita to ground all the pipe (most only show grounding the outside with small gauge copper wire) then realize that the inside could still be charged. I would think high volume/ high pressure systems would use metal spiral piping to avoid collapse.
Did like the video - In the days I used to design this stuff I would have gone for 2" uPVC pipe class C but then the fittings costs are eye-watering so your practical approach was refreshing.
For your commentators, adding a 100mm cyclone may not give you the results you expect. They rely on the velocity of the air entering to create spin and thus a centrifugal force to increase the sedimentation rate. If you increase the inlet diameter you run the risk that your velocity drops to the point that the efficiency of the cyclone is severely reduced - you need to do a chunk of maths before you start spending money IMHO.
I've been thinking of adding a sedimentation box with filter - the box is about 200mm wide, 600mm high and 1200mm long with a sloping floor and a HEPA in the last sections of the roof (its part of the bench). Anything above 0.1mm will drop out and about 50% down to 20 microns will also settle, the filters will deal with the rest; I plan to use cheap hydrophobic (& washable) filters.
Target result; bulk dust removal at the bench, decreased filter cost, and a low-cost unit where the tools are simply pushed into a hole in the back of the bench.
Thank you. Maths never was my strong point so I’m glad you think I did things ok 👍
Who in their right mind would skip a Keithy Keith video!!
Excelente!
You could also put in a shoe for the bottom of the pipe where you simply just brush dust into it and it's sucked up into the system.
Some water and fairy washing up liquid (or any other washing up liquid) will lubricate the inner tube / pipe and make getting it on the pipe components easier. When it dries out, it no longer acts as a lubricant.
nice spider
Record has a 5 year warranty too, all my stuff is record. I like green too
I own both the record and rutlands extractor. Can tell you the record is quieter but only half as powerful as the rutlands one.i only use them with 63mm piping tho
Great video Keith
Love the system and love your new shop, you deserve the extra space 👍
Great inspiration for beginner woodworker.
Are you considering getting a lathe, i know you talked about it in the past?
I'm in no hurry to get a lathe. If I were to get one now, it'd be ages before I got around to using it
Hi Keith, thanks for the video. Could you use a hair dryer to make the inner tube more flexible? Cheers, Mandy
Today I found out...what we Yanks refer to as a hose clamp is known by our British friends as a jubilee clip.
Hi, great video, I'm only just subscribed to you, I love your presentations and explanations - I was wondering how you keep warm in winter in your workshop? I also have a large garage like you.
Have seen the 6'x8' workshop 2x4 ducting was used to save space with round type adaptors when connecting to a machine?
Hi great video! Would you say a festool MIDI extraction unit is good for a dewalt job site table saw? Would this be a good solution or would something else be better?
Thank so much for all your videos, I find them so helpful. I'm just about to purchase the Numatic NVD750 and have been offered the AC118Cl Cyclone interceptor for £153. Would you think this would be worth getting? I appreciate that it can probably be done slightly cheaper by making one from scratch as you have done, but for the reduced effort, does this seem like a worthwhile offer or would you always suggest building my own? I suppose time is of the essence as my workshop is a very unhealthy dust bowl at the minute, that's why I'm considering it. Thanks again
OMG! Did you stop filming whilst you changed your underpants when the bearing flew off the router? That could have gone so badly. Glad it turned out well. 👍
I actiually didn't realise until it started cutting badly! I was lucky, had it been a bigger bit it could have caused some real damage!
Having used a shop vac when working with wood fiber insulation I'd definitely consider static. I got several painful shocks off the hose and it wasn't nice! Not an explosive atmosphere, but is it worth the risk?
Don't get me wrong, I've never used that inner-tube trick, but in similar things that I've done, I found it was much easier to use soapy water to get it on. Once it dries, it's stuck in place well, just like if you didn't use the soapy water. But it's MUCH easier to put on
Subs like a great tip may try it some day
I definitely recommend it. Especially with stickers. So many times its saved me from crooked applications and getting air bubbles stuck under them
Hi! I just made a dust collection system with 50 mm cyclone driven by 100 mm capable dust extractor (scheppach ha1000) via reduction. the suction power is great for my bandsaw (I'm collecting dust from under the table) and for general purposes. However I'm worrying if restricted flow won't be harmful for the motor of the device on a long run... (no proper cooling maybe?) What do you think?
I watched the video when you released it but I was watching it again now and I should have told you that on mine the 3 screws that hold the motor cover to the lid fell off and you can now no longer pick it up by its handle. question how much did it cost overall?
Great vid Keith, I was thinking of using 50mm abs and solvent weld! I notitced you had to reduce to 50mm yourself and wonder if it would give me similar results
Larger diameter is better, lower loss along the tube and also lower loss in any bends. You can always use 50mm for the short stubs out to the hoses, and can also buy the vacuum cleaner hose as a spare part, I bought a 10m roll of 40mm hose to fix the work one, and at 4m long it gets all around with no issues, and as it breaks at the flex ends it is easy to just cut a little shorter and carry on. The 6m remainder went on a few other vacuums as well. If you want a wider choice of fittings 110mm downpipe and sewage fittings are a good bet, and there you also get a nice set of large diameter bends, along with inspection fittings, so you can clean out long runs.
With the pipes a good idea is to periodically take a wet cloth and let it get slowly sucked along the longest lengths while on a string, so that it flaps around, and picks up all the loose dust inside. Add fabric softener to the water on the cloth and it both leaves a nice fragrance for a while, but also leaves an anti static film on the piping, reducing dust build up.
I'm no expert on this stuff I'm afraid, but it does seem the bigger the better with pipes. Having said that my 40mm pipe performed perfectly well at the old workshop, aside from the odd blockage
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Would the DX1000 be powerful enough to use with 110mm waste pipe ducting system?
Hi, I might have the chance to get my hands on a used Numatic HZD750-2 with the HEPA filter for a good price. Obviously as a class H extractor designed for its designed for toxic rather than wood waste, but I was just wondering how similar this is to your NVD750 and if its suitable for woodworking? Thanks
The magic word Rutlands.... I've been looking fr an alternative for the RecordPower DX4000 ..... although it only has one motor its still cheaper to buy two.... and still cheaper than a DX4000..... correct me if its worth the Ruthlands or the RP..?
@6:41 I think you may need to buy the next size up... haha ;)
Yellow gaffa tape? 😜 I like what you have done, some good tips
I wish it were green!
i notice you don't have a large table saw. do u find the dewalt adequate?
If you've got a cyclone in and the space is there anything to stop you just venting outside to save on bags etc?
I don't actually use bags in my vac. Not sure re venting outside not something I've tried
A I am looking for a tip on extraction hoses.....I’ve bought some 2” but it’s not flexible enough any ideas please. B