Don't STRIP It! // Painting Over Wallpaper Border
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- čas přidán 9. 07. 2024
- Jeremy demonstrates how to spackle over and then paint a wallpaper border.
Timestamps:
0:00 When Things Don't Go As Planned
0:49 Introduction
2:34 Day 1 - Tape and Oil Prime
6:48 Day 1 - Spackling
15:40 Day 2 - Sanding
19:30 Day 2 - Latex Prime
22:36 Conclusion
So glad to see someone else do it this way. Oil primer and drywall mud. Even if you try to take off the border, you’re usually still left with this process to repair the damaged drywall
Thanks Noah. Yeah the mud will come out regardless.
Great video. I would recommend plus 3 joint compound vs all purpose. It's "lighter" it dries faster and much easier to sand. Keep dropping those videos!
Thanks for watching Gean. We have tried quite a few joint compounds and green is still our current favorite. Generally I like the spackle to dry harder to give a bit more durability to the repair, but every spackle has its place :)
Great video! I can attest to how maddening wallpaper can be.... It's a wild card as to what you can find out there..... Just spent 6 hours pulling a border in a 10x12' bedroom! People need to understand that this solution is not a 'hack job', but a viable alternative for the customer, who is paying us to remove their wallpaper. They have budgets and time frames, so they welcome this creative thinking when working on their homes.... One caution too with steamers is they can soak the drywall screws or nails and produce rust spots.
Yeah dude. We recently upgraded to a steamer that has a trigger so you can control the flow of steam. Thats been working out way better. We've still never come across a border that was as bad as the we showed in this video. Every piece of wallpaper in that house was brutal.
As someone who used to be in the drywall side of things. Couple of things, first for the sanding, pick up a 3M sanding block, its has a course and fine side for feathering in the mud and removing blade lines. 2nd I noticed you didn't texture after you sanded the mud. Not sure how noticeable it was after you painted. but going that high with the mud probably left a pretty big texture difference. A couple cans of Homax orange peel spray texture would of worked just fine once you adjusted the spray to match the existing texture. The texture can also be sanded to feather in as well. Just my two cents.
Thanks for the comment! We actually filmed this video quite some time ago and have made quite a few changes in our workflow. Now we use a Festool for most of our sanding which works great and cuts way down on dust.
As far as the texturing goes, we didn't run into any issues with that on this job. After things get sanded they get primed and then hit with two top coats along with the rest of the walls. The roller added all the texture that we needed in this instance. I'll take a look at that Homax product. I could see some scenarios that we run into that it would be useful for.
Thanks for watching!
I was looking in the comments from the dry wall guys... Thanks for all of your videos! I have learned a lot!
I'm glad you've been finding them useful. Thanks for watching!
Great detail in tutorial. Exact info that I needed for eliminating my 30 yr old sofit border in my kitchen. ❤
Good luck! If it doesn’t come down easily then this is the move
They make a wallpaper piercing roller that perforates it so you can spray with water, and it seeps into the paper. This allows you to scrape it cleanly because once the glue layer is reactivated it just peels right off. I just removed a border in my cave, and will be doing the same in my wife's craft room. All I did was cut between the two layers with my Olfa knife, and peel the decoration layer away from the glue, and in the tougher sections I just used 60 grit on a 5 inch orbital to take it close to drywall, then switched to 120 so I didn't go too deep.
Those borders were at least 30 years old, and In my case the other owners just painted over the wallpaper border with no mud other than a small section where a repair was made. Priming the paper first is the perfect solution to get that paint to stick too because it's a good chance that wallpaper was vinyl. That stuff is like greased oil poo, and almost nothing sticks to it long term. The only beef I have with oil based primer is the absolute stench it comes with. I did my hallway with it, and was high for two days, and couldn't get that stink out of my nose for a week, LOL. Respirator you say? Don't be a SISSY! We're men. We do stupid crap that shortens our lifespans every time we wake up, LMAO.
Hahahaha, well done sir 🫡
I bought my house over 10 yrs ago & every room had wallpaper. I have ruined the walls in my son's room & my bathroom trying to get the old glue backing paper to come off. I had to fix both walls before painting by using mud. I will never go through that again. Now I feel confident I don't have to live with this ugly old wallpaper in my home anymore. Ty for this, I knew it could be done but just didn't know the best way.
Wallpaper is always a dice roll. We’ve been using a steamer and that usually works well, but not always. It’s quite common to end up tearing up the walls trying to get stubborn paper off.
Good luck with the rest of your wallpaper!
Crap! I forgot to say thank you, and awesome video!
You are most welcome and thanks for watching 😁
Great video! One thing, when applying oil based primer I always where disposable gloves as that stuff dries like concrete ( KILZ Original ) is there a reason you don't bother?
We probably ran out of gloves that day. Usually wear them :)
I always find removing wallpaper oddly satisying. I imagine that this wouldn't be the ideal solution for wallpaper that covers a large surface area. Do you have any suggestions on how you can keep wallpaper from adhering to the wall so much it causes damage to the wall?
Thanks for the feedback Vicky. We don't instal wallpaper, but the paperhangers we know will "size" the walls. Its a fancy term for using a primer/sealer on the walls before the paper is hanged.
What do you suggest to smooth down border edges that's already been painted over?
I would cut away any loose parts then spackle over those edges to try and blend them into the wall. Similar to what we did in this video.
Genuine question - Would it not have been less cost and time to use a wall paper steam stripper? Seems that border was no harder to remove than any wall paper, and it was only a small area. However, I'm in the UK and our walls are usually brick/stone, maybe dry wall makes steaming impossible?
We filmed this quite a few years ago. We’ve been using a steamer for a bit and it works most of the time. The issue with this particulate boarder is that we couldn’t get the glue to release the drywall. When that happens, as you remove the wallpaper it rips the drywall paper as well which creates another set of issues. That’s not an issue with brick and stone construction.
Thanks for the reply :)
I'm in need of help so I'm trying to remove 3 layers of wallpaper in my childhood room.... And as fun as you can imagine it is I've run into many barricades like the "don't strip the drywall" as I was removing some of the wallpaper this has happened a lot.....please I need all tips and suggestions to help not strip the dry wall this room has become my worst nightmare....also the three layers of wallpaper have been on these walls since late 80s early 90s
We’ve had the most success with using a steamer and scraping with a mudding knife. It’s not going to be a pleasant experience no matter how you do it. If you do rip up the paper on drywall then you may end up needing the shellac prime the drywall after you’re done removing all the paper. Then you’ll skim coat the walls with joint compound, sand, prime (using regular primer) then go over that with your finish paint. We’ve got a short coming out next week that shows that process. We just did that job last month.
@@SuperVassarBrothers yeah unfortunately with the being so old and there's so many layers some of the top coat of the drywall is being ripped off so yeah I'll definitely have to go over that with some putty and stand that down and prime it then you know be able to paint it It's one big hassle I tell you but I know it was going to be this big of an issue I would have just did the lazy route and just literally get some paint and paint over the wallpaper I know that sounds horrible but yeah
If we are painting over an entire room (bathroom) of wallpaper, do the oil primer, then should we mud the entire room, or can we then just paint over the primer?
You don’t need to mud the whole room. Prime it then see what’s peeling. You’ll probably see some stuff peel at the edges / seams. You can cut the loose paper away and then mud the areas where it’s peeling to smooth it out. Then sand, prime the spackle / mud with regular primer then paint.
Do you think you could have just sanded down the lip along the boarder instead of filling?
We’ve tried that and the moisture of the paint will get behind the paper and cause it to peal. Skim coating the edge seams to be the best way. However, we filmed the footage for this video many moons ago. I’d do things differently today.
Not an expert, although could someone use fiaba tape over the ridge of the wallpaper? Then compound out that?
You could, but you would end up having to do a really high build on top so that you've got enough mud to hide the tape.
Proper “border” paste or VOV Cannot dissolve by water………1-2-3 and some mud.. What I tell customers is DW is what? Paper layered gypsum. “ paper” surfaces are not the enemy, loose and blistering edges ARE!
You got it 👍
Uhmmm, may I politely suggest you use a steamer to remove wall paper, whether it's a boarder or a full wall...it's quick, easy and it comes off in large sheets.
We do use steamers quite a bit. The footage from this video was from over two years ago. What we didn't show is that we tried just about everything on the border in this bathroom as well as the bedroom and that border was not cooperating. A steamer is quite useful, but it's not a silver bullet. Removing wallpaper can be a tricky process cause you never know how the paper is going to behave once you start pulling it. How easily it is removed has a lot to do with the quality of the paper, if the walls were prepared properly, and how the paper was hung. We've had it pull off in large sheets using a steamer, and we've had experiences like the one in this video, where the paper was coming off in little bits regardless of using a steamer, cutting the paper, using a stripping solution, and hand scraping with a blade. There's no way you can guarantee that it will come off "quick, easy and in large sheets" regardless of the removal technique. That's why most painters that quote out wallpaper removal (including us) will do so on a time and materials basis.
@@SuperVassarBrothers Aahh, gotcha!
@@SuperVassarBrothers It’s the worst, trying to price out removal that is. Removing it can be fairly easy or the worst day of the year. If it’s up good we generally push oil priming. Many times we’ve gotten started and had to abandon ship. If it’s time and materials than it’s worth a shot but otherwise no fun
Been there. Never again. It is the pits to remove
Sometimes it’s not awesome. A steamer with a trigger is highly useful, but sometimes even that isn’t enough
Try next remove wallpaper with steamer😊
We use one now with a trigger that controls the steam and it works pretty good 👍
Use the wallpaper tool to put holes in the border so the wallpaper remover solution can penetrate through,makes removing very easy,it will remove the first layer and then remove the second layer of wallpaper after,it's a process.been removing wallpaper many years now. just need the right tools.
We used that tool as well on the border elsewhere in the house and it was still an issue. I’ve never run into a border that was that stubborn and we’ve stripped a lot of paper. We got a steamer with a trigger, and that has been excellent.