Rhys and Gwen Argue About Having Kids | Adrift | Torchwood
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- Contains strong language Rhys has had enough of Gwen prioritising Torchwood over their marriage and life together. Subscribe to Torchwood for more videos: bit.ly/SubscribeToTorchwood
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It's such a solid on screen relationship. Real issues shown as they relate to the show but are still very much realistic
I actually don’t think i can mentally handle you releasing the children of earth series clips again (when you get to them)
He obviously means when they get to those clips...
I can watch ALL TORCHWOOD OVER AND OVER and never get tied of it
The amount of times I've cried while watching Torhwood=all of the seas
Rhys is a great character
If they'd just told Gwen what was going on, it would've saved a lot of problems.
If Gwen'd just listened to Jack when he said she had to let it go, it would've saved a lot of problems. I'm not a hater of Gwen like many Torchwood fans, but seriously. Jack's your boss and he told you not to do this, *he* is in charge why the fuck are you keep going? It's a really hard question of trust, like who has a right not to tell something and who do you have listen to when they say not to do something without explanation... I know it's hard and Jack also could do more to make the team trust him (and let them understand that there will be consequences if they don't do what they are told), but really, Jack is Gwen's boss, so she *must* listen to him.
@@elly_hermione Just because your boss say something doesn't mean it's the correct thing to do.
example: If Jack says they have to sacrifice 20 people for something to happen, but there's a way for it to happen without sacrificing those 20 people.
Should the rest of Torchwood just go ahead and do it, when they know there's another way?
@@nordichope7301 if it doesn't matter what your boss says, there is no reason to have a boss then. And your example doesn't make sense, because 1) it's the situation when they actually know that there is a better way; Gwen didn't have any information, it was just her opinion that it would be better; 2) Jack just wouldn't say so, he is not stupid or cruel.
It's just the point of having a boss: he has more information, he has more experience (come on, Jack is dealing with the aliens and Torchwood stuff for 150+ years and and Gwen - only for one year or maybe a bit more) and if you don't have a certain way to deal with the problem, it's his job to tell you what to do - and your job is to listen to him and do what you're told. The boss also has more responsibility, but that's also the point. I mean did it end well after all? No. So was Jack right in giving Gwen an order to stop? Yes. Maybe, he didn't choose the best way to do it, but still.
Technically "they" is just Jack. If I remember the episode correctly, he hasn't told any of the other Torchwood members about the island.
@@OrangeAceGamingexcept Ianto who was the one who told Gwen where to look in the first place
Torchwood episodes like Adrift (this episode) and Cyberwoman are the ones that make me wanna hate Jack. He sometimes abuses his power. He tries to suppress the truth about the missing people, including Jonah (Adrift), and tries to force Ianto to kill his girlfriend (Cyberwoman), when he shouldn’t really have to.
I kinda agree with you. In both cases he has to make these choices that cause harm to those around him or even just normal innocent bystanders. His job is to manipulate the lives around him in order to do the hardest choices for the best outcome, and not all seem to ethical. But then you look at Jack as a whole, and you try to put your own feet in his shoes. For if he hadn't forced Ianto to kill his ex in the Cyberwoman, the most likely outcome would be that the programings would have just fully taken over, and she would have killed Ianto and everyone around. Jack making Ianto doing it instead of himself is a way for Ianto to deal with a problem that he caused, that he started, and needed to see through. In Adrift, he suppresses the truth of the missing people because, as shown in the episode, the alternative is so much worse. Yes he has to lie, lie to the loved ones, just pass it off as another missing case, but clearly in this world people can't handle the extraterrestrial related happenings that are too hard to explain or deal with. When Gwen finds out the truth, brings Jesse's mom to show her what happened to her son, they rekindle and it is known he is no longer seventeen years old but he is also suffering PTSD and horrible implications from a space war thousands of years in the future. She at the end says she wished Gwen had never told her and showed her son so she can live with the normal image he left behind in her memories. So you have to ask yourself. How many times has Jack done exactly what Gwen did in order for him to say that they shouldn't expose the truth. It's the whole implication of his job. He has to make the toughest decisions. Dont even get me started with the Children of Earth series and what he did in the end.
Still this doesn't pass what he did. He still is a lying, manipulative, mysterious man who makes decisions that in the end he tries to make to better off humanity. Nothing condones his actions for who is he to take the lives of others and morph it into a perceived reality. Who is he to take the laws of justice in his own hands (Sound familiar?). In the end we don't even truly know much about Jack, other than the fact he grew up in the future, became a time agent, then a con artist, then meets the doctor, decided to stay most likely due to his attraction to him and Rose, gets shot, brought back to life forever, then gets himself stuck in the 19th century where he finds out he cant die, and waits for the Doctor to show up at the rift. We get snippets of him past his charming flirtatious nature, but no one really knows him. Probably never will.
Is he a bad person? Most likely not, no. Is he a good person? Can't say he is either without blindsiding the things he's done what would be in his present time and past. The real question I think we should ask is: Is he he human? Completely and irrefutably yes. Yes he is.
Claire Johnson fair point. As Thanos put it: “The hardest decisions require the strongest of wills.”
But to be fair Ianto shouldn’t have to kill his girlfriend. Just let one of the other team do it. Here’s an analogy for it: Imagine if you were a soldier in WW1 and you were commanding a firing squad to execute a soldier. Imagine if that soldier was your own brother? Should you really have to be the one to execute him? Why not get another officer to do it?
Also bear in mind Torchwood do partially have control of the rift, so they still could’ve done something about that to a certain degree to stop it taking people.
@@stephenmurphy2212 oh no yeah! I am agreeing with you. Jack could have done a few things better, such as Ianto's girlfriend. I certainly wouldn't have made him do it. It's too unfair. As for the rift yes very true. I just said all of that to try and give a different side I saw while watching the show that kind of helped me understand his actions.
Stephen Murphy Torchwood’s control over the rift is more akin to a tin opener. They can barely keep it closed and they can’t open it up at a specific location without causing a mass amount of damage. Whilst they could definitely have been able to do something if they could predict those kinds of events, they said it themselves that they had no possible way of predicting when the rift would take someone and thus couldn’t do much apart from caring for those that the rift returned
PC Andy Infinite maybe they could have evacuated the city and make it a no go area almost like the Chernobyl exclusion zone? Radical I know but at the same time it could be helpful.
this scene was well-scripted and well-acted
like most of the show
Peppermint Butler agreed 😌
Yup, for all the show’s problems, the performances were almost always solid
Every scene with Gwen and Rhys is fantastic
How did Chibnol do something as amazing as this, and then do what he did to Doctor who...
How did Tom Hooper do something amazing as Les Miserables and then do what he did to Cats? lol
Cuz this is what he does. He nails human dramas. Not wacky scifi adventures. Time to time he can make the occasional 42 or Dinosaurs on a Spaceship, but not consistently and not on his own.
Chibnall has some good ideas, Torchwood is evidence that he can do very good episodes, great ones that focus on horror or drama. But I'll admit that science fiction is one of his shortcomings, especially when he has the responsibility of pulling a whole series together.
Rhys is right Gwen can’t keep prioritising Torchwood over her marriage.
2 seasons later, Rhys casually jokes "*sigh* First sign of trouble and she [Gwen] goes running off to Captain Jack Bollocks" 🤣
Yeah I probably wouldn’t have a kid with a guy who spoke to me like that.
This is when Gwens life started to drift more into torchwood than her life with Rhys
It’s funny this was the only group scene in this episode. It was also Owen’s only scene. I guess they filmed it simultaneously with another episode?
Or they just brought him on for the day. Usually it takes multiple hoursto properly get through 2 pages of a script. Sometimes an entire day.
He was getting paid either way though, lol.
tbf even if something else hadn't been going on, jack still would have had a point. Like I know the little island picked up a lot of them but that couldn't have been everyone that was taken
THIS is the kind of writing Chibnall excels at! Not deep lore, not universe-ending threats.
Rhys is right
Ah right, they cut right before the good scene...
torchwood sssshhhhhh
Opinion: Gwen is the worst member of Torchwood.
Opinion: Gwen is the BEST member of Torchwood 😍
LuggyBro that’s a very unpopular opinion.
Actually Gwen does seem to be the least liked by the fandom so it's not that unpopular of an opinion. I personally love all of them so much that I wouldn't say there is a worst member.
No.
Opinion is I agree with you. Mainly because of some of her actions, but at the same time I like her as a human being. I do not at all condone some of the things shes done while apart of the team, but I also understand that they were her ways of coping with what she is now learning. She says it herself that if she never met Torchwood, she would have continued in the police force, married Rhys, had a few kids, and lived her normal life. But she also says this to Owen in a scene where she is confirmed cheating on Rhys with him, but that was also the Contrycide episode where we are shown some of the darkest sides of humanity.
So yeah, worst member, but she is a good person, or at least shes trying to balance that while she works for Torchwood.