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The Prusa SL1S redefines SPEED!
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- Äas pĆidĂĄn 21. 10. 2021
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The Prusa SL1S is the updated version of their excellent SL1 resin printer - and it's an even better package. But can it still compete in the 2021 landscape?
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The thumbnail is a masterpiece. Great reference!
Now you have to answer which one you prefer: 60 or 90 minutes magnetic tape cassettes? Thereâs no way you get that reference in the thumbnail unless you lived in the pre-cd era
It is a masterpiece
@@retroluminico neither... I prefer my tapes high fidelity!
Easily one of the best thumbnails ever. EVER.
Right? It looked like a full on meme shitpost. I love it so much
With a little help from Maxell ;-)
Made me watch tell me by p ditty
Have to agree! but this is a quiet printer and the thumbnail was based off of LOUD speakers. Still awesome, especially with the top blowing off the mars 3!
@@xj_overlander it's a parody of the maxell hifi advertisment.
I love how you cover resin printers as well as FDM and general engineering tech and principles. IMO it's refreshing content while still being in line with the channel and is more entertaining and engaging than the boring FDM only channels
Thanks! I'm hoping to take the channel more into a diverse direction in the future, too - keeps me interested in the topics and (hopefully) provides a wider range of inspiration for everyone watching, too!
@@MadeWithLayers I'm excited to see your production value and presentation style applied to other (tech or tech adjacent?) topics :)
The âresin vat too fullâ error occurs if you fill the vat while the machine is powered off - the platform for the vat skews slightly forward when it is unpowered. I figured this out through trial and error, I had thought a sensor was bad at first.
it's normal for such things to happen.
same thing happens in reverse with our espresso machine.
if you empty out one of the containers while it's powered off it doesn't know you did so.
Am I the only one who thinks it is absolutely ridiculous that we have to censore famous art just to please some super prudent American corporation?
No surprise some Viennese museums pulled off a stunt by opening an Only Fans account for those statues and paintings.
Get this: We were moving a few month ago. In the piles of stuff there was a Polish lifestyle magazine "Sukces" from 1992, just as capitalism entered Poland.
They appear to have had a photoshoot in each issue. There was a topless woman in a garden, in kind of glamour, kind of suggestive poses. I guess nobody gave a damn back then and while Poland was infatuated with American lifestyle, certainly puritanism has not been imported yet. XD
That puritanical tyranny extends beyond just CZcams, and extensively into open source software as well.
Excellent review and great printer, Iâm also looking forward to get one, especially for the tilting VAT.
VAT is not an acronym in this case.
That thumbnail made me feel old lol. I remember that ad from my childhood. How nostalgic lol.
Your thumbnail recreation of the famus image "Blown-away Man" by Steven Steigman is amazing :)
Can't wait to see third party kits that are compatible with the upgrade kit, because as you mentioned the board and frame and enclosure are objectively not worth 1600 euro
Agreed on all your points ⊠but still just love that they did what ever needed to get a minimum cost upgrade path. Now if they did a large format printer I could completely transfer over to Prussia products only ;)
Just installed the upgrade yesterday, the speed is amazing!
I upgraded because i wore out the led i had trouble with getting the tilt mechanism level and was having print adhesion problems on larger builds on the old smaller platform once tightened I managed to get it level and it served me well for the last two years. The upgrade was a walk in the park until I created a slight abrasion on the ribbon of the LCD screen and had to order a new one the print speed is phenomenal should have done it sooner but I have to agree itâs a tight work area and I rushed to get it up and running and it hit me in the wallet.
I love that Maxell reference hahah
Man oh man really tempted to pick one of these up and this video is certainly not helping haha
Looking at the price solves that problem for me very effectively.
Wouldn't have to worry as much about those power outages- your prints would be done!
I ordered the upgrade as soon as I saw it was a thing but now I am wondering if I should hold off installing :D
The speed increase is such a big draw though. Nnnnnnnnnnnnng confuse! đ€
@@crussty3d or would be well within UPS battery storage limits :)
@@hellterminator same
Iâd be interested in seeing your take on the Photon Ultra with the TI DLP system. Seems like a more powerful light engine that might work better with more âindustrialâ resins.
my take: too low resolution.
@@JKC40 its dlp man...720p dlp is actually more detail than 4k monochrome lcd
@@Presbiter Not really..
@@BH4x0r Of course it is. But to know that one must understand the technology. One very significant thing fe dlp does not produces shadows, lcd does. May be look up what that means in detail and learn something, just a suggestion^^
@@Presbiter I know DLP basically are tiny MEMS mirrors that will reflect or won't and that way can get better contrast than LCD, but it's still less than ideal as a 720p DLP chip is unable to produce as small details, if you get what i mean. if it was a 4K chip that'd be better.
Ditto on the thumbnail being brilliant. Great content!
Those extra large SLA printers that unky jesse reviewed would definitely benefit from that vat tilt mechanism. I'm curious why prusa didn't just add a slope to the one side of the vat to keep it from spilling with the same amount of resin.
Nice, but I just don't see a consumer business case for this over the Mars. Its not 6x better certainly
If your family has female person included (or you are/had it otherwise), UV nail apparatus is good for resin printed works to afterprint hardening, 30sec UV radiaton, turn 180 degree, 30 sec again and its done. Of course cleaning must do manually but why not use what you have?
I won't miss a video from Thomas because he is the best DIY hairdresser I know. Also he is explaining with care.
Cool that you are using the Statens museum for kunst collection, theres so much fantastic stuff in there in ultra high res - im happy my country is providing stuff like this for free :)
Iâm liking and commenting for that thumbnail ALONE!
Love to see the Prusa SL1S and Anycubic Photon Mono X side by side comparison.
Love this look at the printer Tom, nice work! The intro is amazing! I was surprised to see that this is the priciest printer you have though, figured there must be something more expensive in there! As always, great shots, editing, and audio. Of course, the video is great too! Keep it up!
This NEEDS to get cheaper, it will be the next manufacturing revolution with that incredible amount of detail
this sneeds
Filament FDM is way cheaper and usually good enough. They complement each other, covering slightly different niches.
I love the thumbnail!
The price is not that crazy. The accuracy of the printed parts are on par with what a quality desktop CNC would output. The CNC alone would be double the price of the full SL1S setup, and then you need to buy additional tooling. That means we have 2x cheaper way to make molds for resin casting
Really amazing review! And still I love my old Maxell tapes.
Dude, thumbnail is flawless
Well done Tom. As always, enjoy the time, detail, objectivity, and thoughtfulness you put into your reviews. The snake head innuendos are really just a bonus on top of all that. đ€Ł
I owned a Voxelab Proxima 6" and the prints from it were absolutely incredible even for a resin. I sold it and "upgraded" to a Elegoo Saturn which is great for more printing room but has issues the Voxelab did not. I would really like to compare the new Proxima 8.9 as it's likely similar hardware to the Saturn just later to market. Even more interesting is the Elegoo Jupiter. I had thought about joining the Jupiter's Kickstarter but it's clear other models with the same print area will release within a few months of the Jupiter and possibly be more polished. In the meantime I'm waiting for my formbot 2.4 kit to ship.
I'm blown away by that thumbnail
1:30 You recently made a video about how you should do your disclaimer about reviewed products. I want to say, that was perfect. It flows well with the content
Bro, I really enjoyed the cover picture of the video. Nostalgic.
This is fast and great of courseâŠbut imagine what we can get once the patent on the CLIP process expiresâŠ
Would be interested to see how it stacks up against a Phrozen Sonic Mini 4K or 8K
I will get the upgrade, when my screen dies. Best replacement part ever!
And since I have already build-your-own SL1 kit, Im not afraid of turning it apart!
Amazing!
So far Im really glad I have chosen the Prusa SL1 over all the cheap chinese brands!
(Mainly because I didnt wanted to support china with my money).
I guess I have now to print more, so my screen breaks faster!
Haha, I like that cover photo. Reminds of the Bose speaker picture I have in the garage/area52.
I thought it was a Maxell ad?
@@spamcan9208 Yes, Maxell it was.
That may actually get me to purchase one of those dirty pigs. I don't really want to print with resin at home but the speed is impressive.
The Mini or this one ... both would make a great addition to my MK3S.
save yourself the trouble and get an anycubic mono for 180$ same print volume , same print time 1800$ less markup.
I like the Maxell thumbnail. Good work.
Would love a comparison between the SL1 and the Form 3. Especially including accuracy.
I'll be getting a Form 3 for review soon!
@@MadeWithLayers Nice! I actually have one. I thought I was getting the top of the line printer, but have been rather disappointed by the accuracy. It's gotten a little better over the years w/ some updates, but still has a lot of issues w/ surface tension stuff or something. You can see a lot of discussions on their forums.
agree, itâs hard to really grok comparisons of printers at two widely different price points. Itâs ok to compare with the last version, but SL1S should also be compared with others at a similar price point to see its value.
Even at half the price it would still be a premium price for the size it can print. Yeah its better but horrendously overpriced.
better than what? this printer is objectively worse than most 4k chinesium printers you can get for 500$
@@KT-pv3kl im saying speed wise... trust me I think its insanly overpriced.
You can get a phrozen sonic 8k is that price and well the size of prints that can be done or total number of items printed due to bed size notify the speed improvement if youre doing alot of little things.
There isn't anything prusa I would ever buy since everything is sold at 3 to 4 times the price
Hmm I paid $189USD for my Photon Mono recently. I get the 2s layer time and amazing quality. I don't see anything about this Prusa that makes it worth 10x more money.
Take a hires photo of your prints and look for lines and layer shifts.
@@Holztransistor lines are caused by the layers and the prusa doesn't do anything better in that regard. as for layer shifts they usually only happen with a bent z axis and if you think that doesn't happen on this 2000$ waste of money you are delusional.
ingmar you are overexposing your prints at 2s for the mono. unless you use some funky unknown darker than black resin . regular resin takes between 1s and 1,6s tops on the mono . chances are you get failed prints at those exposure times because your plate isn't leveled correctly or you have a way too high lift speed as is standard on those machines .
I also upgrade my devices by adding a sticker to them!
Racing stripes are the way to go
@@francistaylor1822 But only combined with British racing green.
Every time I hear âno money changed handsâ, I hear a little demon yelling from the back âHis Tesla will be delivered within 6 monthsâ đ
I think the old vat vas a cast aluminum, bead blasten and milled on the mating surfaces, looking at the surface finish.
You could pick up a Transform for $600 more, so I really don't see that price point being competitive. And unless they have a patent on that tilt mechanic, I would wait for others manufacturers to catch up and wait for a better deal.
I would like to see what people are doing with IDEX printers. I think they have huge potential for creativity.
How does it compare to a Form 2 or 3? Are they the benchmark at this price bracket?
I'll be getting a Form 3 for review soon!
I bought one of these at the start of the ChiTu board lock down. Having used it for a few weeks, Iâd trade all of my printers for a second one. They are expensive, but wow. Just wow.
Thomas it's been a year plus since your SL1S review and a big year for 3D Resin printers. Any thoughts about a year end "round-up"> Is the SL1S still tops or has the 8K 10" LCD Mono screens pushed their way to the top? And how about your recommendations/thoughts for 2023? Where is this all going...you know in resin?
just bought upgrade kit for mine! thx for a review
Lets just thank prusa for even providing an upgrade path from sl1 to sl1s. That is very environment and consumer friendly!
7:53 I didnât think of that. Finally Iâve found someone with dirtier mind than mine.
Great printer, but even with the Prusa-premium it's too expensive.
at 1499⏠i'd give it a hard maaaaybe
at 1299⏠i'd get one
Make it a combo with the curing station at.. 1550⏠and i'd buy that. but almost 750⏠for what basically is a ultrasonic cleaner with a turntable and a UV light??
I have a strong feeling that I, NEED IT!!
It would be even faster if you could do continuous printing with a DLP projector and projecting down on a descending plate into the liquid... i wonder if that's coming back then?
so its faster, but if i wanted it for war hammer type figures (detailed, with intention to pain them), etc, how much worse/better is it than the 4k ones that everyone recommends?
depends mainly on pixel density and how big you want them. Since a lot of the 4k printers also have a bigger buildplate than the sl1s (mainly thinking of elegoo saturn), you end up with pretty much the same pixel density (~500 ppi in both saturn and sl1s by my calculations)
Something like the phrozen sonic mini would maybe translate to a better quality print (~700 ppi), but tbh, in my experience 500 ppi makes beautiful prints anyways. And paint helps cover up a lot of imperfections
Warhammer minis are usually painted in complex, weathered, and intricate schemes of a dozen coats or more, so I there'd definitely be diminishing returns on additional pixel density.
I mainly do tabletop minis and greeblies and stuff on my resin printers and the main advantage here is speed. If, you are like me, I tend to send your Mars/Saturn prints over night, then there are minimal advantages. For me I ordered the upgrade for my SL1 because of daytime prototyping where the round trip time improvement is worth more than the upgrade costs.
For when I am DMing an RPG I could definitely see me running off a quick piece of scatter or a BBG though knowing I can cut the print time down ...
As someone said elsewhere, the resolution/rendering improvement is moot when you are 1) painting and 2) going for table ready rather than holding it an inch from your eyeball đ
@@tomiesz I have happily played against FDM printed armies - it's all about your gaming crew really :)
A new Sanladerer video! YEAH!
That speed at this price point is wild!
Came just for the Maxell references, wasn't disappointed...
Would love to see a review on a photocentric printer.
Thank you Thomas !!!!!! Amazing thumbnail too !!!!
Nice Lightning McQueen reference in the intro! I think only Pixar fans, and parents will catch that. Ka-chow!
Thank you Thomas Salamander
You could make PCBs on these kind of printers with photoresist film on PCB. Placing pcb on printer LCD (design of pcb on lcd screen) with photoresist facing down. Then cleaning uncured photoresist and dipping in ferric chloride.
It will reduce time required for making homemade pcb with high quality.
Loved the thumbnail..
it might be fast... but shipping and getting it isn't. I ordered mine on August 21, 2021. And I'm still haven't gotten it. :(
I dig the idea of the tilting bed, but for a printer of that size, I'd rather roll my money into a larger print size versus going down from a midsize printer I have now.
Speaking of speed, I was browsing in 'dream land' the other day and came across some high end printers from Uniz that have a starting build speed of 200mm/hr and go UP to 600mm/hr (!!), and with 'standard' features like a pumped resin supply, liquid cooled print screen... Ugh, I was getting weak-kneed sitting down. I would totally use all of my CZcams pull if I were in your shoes for a demo model. đ
This was a really god video, thanks Tom! đđ
Also, will you ever get any of the FormLabs SLA printers, I think they look really nice.
you're right, IÂŽm planning to review their Form 3 Printer.
Some of the points in this video (like 6:27) are a much better argument for the SL1S than what Prusa chose for their website
Wow, awesome thumbnail! Great job
The tilting vat mechanism and build quality is very nice. But it's already outdated in terms of pixel density. :( This printer with the LCD of the Mini 8K? YES!
Not sure how useful more resolution really is. You can barely see all the details the SL1S prints unless you're bringing magnifying glasses to your DnD sessions, so what would the higher resolution be good for?
It's the same questionable choice as 4K phones and 8K TVs, it's just big numbers that make you go "OOHHHHHH" but nobody really needs them nor sees a difference...
So I'm always careful with the term "outdated", because many times I prefer "outdated" if it means "more sophisticated".
Not sure why my answer got deleted. Is mentioning other printer companies (professional DLP manufacturers) not allowed here? Anyway. DnD is definitely not the focus for me. It's display quality pieces. 75 mm and busts, 1/6 scale, 1/4 scale. I want all the detail I can get and at larger scale you even have pieces with skin texture. The better the XY resolution, the less visible voxels you will have on the printed pieces. That is the key element. Studios that manufacture collectible 1/4 scale statues use printers with 25 microns XY resolution for the master model. A 7.1 inch 8K LCD has 22 microns XY resolution. I expect more such printers now. There also is a 8.9 inch 6K LCD in the making that has 35 microns XY resolution.
@@Holztransistor @Holztransistor I see. DnD was just mentioned to make the point :)
I understand what you mean, but as far as I understand, that's a very specific use case. I imagine that the biggest portion of SLA users doesn't need higher resolution than what this machine can provide, so I understand why Prusa chose to keep the DPI at this level instead of increasing the price of the machine even more.
I can only imagine how expensive these 25 micron LCDs must be?
So why don't you print them laying down when the duration only depends on the hight of the print?
Only because of the finish and the needed supports?
Why isn't it top down? Breaking off the bottom seems goofy, like doing the hokey-pokey.
That classic thumbnail man. What brand was that from? Maxell?
Spot on!
Your *audiophile Thumbnail* sent me ..đ
Sorry but Prusa missed the mark here. COST !!. I can get an ELEGOO Saturn and have money left over. Prusa needs to re-think what made them a success. LOW COST + GOOD QUALITY .
why, at 5:14 with 4 items in the center screen, is the item to the right out of focus? It seems your camera was searching at that point. to bad the items seems well printed
This prints it seems about 30-35% faster than all the other way cheaper, higher res monoscreens already out there, and with significantly lower resolution than things like the Sonic Mini 4k. And a Sonic Mini 8k is already out for pre-order, totally blows this thing away, and for half the price :D As a person who's reviewed 40+ different resin machines, I honestly don't see why anyone would buy a Prusa when it comes to a monoscreen printer. I know some people just love the name though, and don't mind paying a lot extra for a few bells and whistles :)
I specifically ran the same print on the Mars 3 as well (and even included it in the video), and it took twice as long while having visible flaws. Which printer specifically can print the 130mm tall Apollo model faster than the SL1S?
@@MadeWithLayers Well it depends what settings/parameters were run for each print, including bottom cure time and number of bottom layers, lift height, light-off delay, lifting speed, retract speed et cet, all which can affect print time. I can print 130mm tall on a Sonic mini 4k in 4 hours. So if you did it in just 3 hours on this I would concede it's a bit faster, but not 2x as fast. And if you see my prints off the mini 4k they are incredible, way better than what you got off the Mars 3. Not trying to pick a fight, I honestly just don't see any reason to spend money on a Prusa when there better alternatives that are cheaper, imo. Have you checked out the Sonic Mini 8k which is shipping soon?
Gotta get that 40% better print quality and 5x longer print times with dat 8K aw yeah.. đ
As someone whoâs reviewed 40+ resin printers youâd think youâd understand the Target Market concept. How many budget printers have you any many other people thrown away because parts are sub par quality, unavailable, sold out, or the machine is just completely outdated during the same amount of time an SL1 just keeps on working and then is upgradable and will in all likelihood enjoy future support and upgrades?
Prusa isnât even attempting to compete against Elegoo or Anycubic so why does everyone seem to think they are? The marketing theyâre aiming for is business and enterprise, so a better comparison would be Asiga or B9, which are 5x the cost of an SL1S with the same or less features and similar build quality.
@@danielwright4307 5x longer print time? Not sure where you get that from, but I totally get that some people want to pay more if the machine is more reliable, and doesn't have "budget issues". But there are some cheaper options that are very well built and don't have issues. It's simply true. I actually understand paying for the "Prusa quality" more on an an FDM printer to be honest. I'm not saying people shouldn't buy Prusa by the way, I just honestly think it's not worth it in this specific case...I'm not a Prusa hater or anything....
The prints were all done at 50” and stock print settings. Obviously you could eek out faster print speeds out of any 3D printer (resin or not), but the factory settings usually are the ones that universally work, and aren't just tweaked to function for one specific scenario.
Since the Sonic Mini 8k isn't exactly out yet, no, I have not tested it yet. I stay away from pre-release products as much as I can. Full explanation here: toms3d.org/review-guidelines/
Love the thumbnail đ
Thanks for the review! It really goes into more depth than other reviews and shows why numbers on a page aren't the full story. Got an affiliate link for the SL1S + CW1S bundle?
I haven't put a specific link to the bundles, but you can just click through using the regular links.
I hope the tech for it becomes better and better as time goes on. As well as cheaper.
Resin Printing Improvements needed: Larger build platform, Lower Cost, Reduced MESS (serious drawbacks that still leaves me with doing FDM prints for most parts)
Its all already here...we have dlp printers like the new anycubic for below 1000$ and elegoo has the jupiter 6k with a big built plate also for below 1000$ and what mess are you talking about?
I like your hair on the thumbnail đ
i actually do my supporting in prusaslicer, and then export as STL to chitubox. Chitubox's user interface makes me not want to work with it at all, so i try to do the bare minimum there.
I get that speed with my elegoo mars 2 pro with some setting changes. So, that being said, I bet I can dial this printer even faster :-o.
Any improvement in the usability, smell, cleanup? I'd buy one of these too if it weren't for the mess.
SL1(S) has an activated charcoal filter for the smell, combined with the CW1 for washing and curing it's as good as it gets (for now)
I hope they make one with a bigger print area! Looks interesting but a bit expensive for the print area
Mine is on the wayđ
Use the parts for an dyi curing station?
The snake head doesn't need support if it's excited enough đ
Okay how do I get that material list to load all the siraya products on my prusa sl1s speed. I cant figure it out.
This Music brings back memories from HOB Hackerman
I'm completely new to 3d printing.
Each resin printer only lasts 500 hours before needing to replace the screen but this one lasts 2000 hours?!? 3:15
What's that about?
NGL I only watched this because I loved the pop culture reference in the thumbnail.
FEELS GOOD TO BE BACK IN 2018 LOL
"It's kind of good." - Thomas Sanladerer 2021
How does this compare to the 3D systems figure 4 standalone, that prints fast but at Aus $30,000 itâs expensive. They also claim their resins are UV stable after curing is this possible? Can you use 3D systems resins with this printer? Thanks for your help.
3:00 wait.. what? those printers only last for 500 hours? 2000 is also not that much in my opinion. I was not aware of such a short lifespan of those SL printers.