The BEST 3D Printer you'll never buy - Hey Gears Reflex Review
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I don't see anything special about this printer. Just looked at the specs. Its basically a formlabs with projector curing. Nice click bait tho.....but this changes nothing in 3D printing. This closed system turns any professional away. All my old closed system "professional printers" (including formlabs) are paper weights now - because they could not keep up with resin development. As a professional you never want to limit yourself to resin brands. Especially looking at the last few years. All resin printers are essentially the same....curing resin in a vat against a glass screen. From an engineering point of view, they should concentrate on print profiles for a wide array of resin manufacturers out of the box. That would actually be "professional". If they open up to other resins, I may consider buying the printer.
I basically agree with all of this I always approach my videos from the perspective of a home user hence the title. Most hobbyists won’t have heard of/ ever used a Form Labs machine, but the new Form 4 has shifted to LCD now too. For the hobby printing space there is lots of innovation here, outside of the form labs machines I can’t think of another machine with similar specs, happy to be enlightened though. Ref resins, I agree
What resin printer would you recommend buying?
@@jamesgarcia123 it depends how you use it, the closest in terms of performance to this one with out the lock in is the Uniformation GKTwo, czcams.com/video/rGOFJVZVwek/video.html
@@RisingApe but as of right now if you were to base it on performance I should get the Heygears?
@@jamesgarcia123 if you base it on performance, I would absolutly get the hey gears, the print quality is phenomenal. I did a direct comparison of the Hey gears and the more expensive formlabs 3l here too is that helps. dont forget you can use my link to get some free resin and $100 of the price of the printer too. czcams.com/video/aGebC1tiLQc/video.html
Closed source printers will never appeal to a big part of the community, but I can see how the idea appeals to a lot of people at the same time because a lot of people just want to make things and they don't care about buying proprietary filament and resin. They care about making a print the way they see it on the photos online, or they care about their prototypes coming out exactly as they want them to be.
I have designed and built printers since 2012 and recently I also went to buy a printer that's not open source, just because I wanted a machine that does the things I want to do better than what most 'open source' and DIY printers offer. And the best part is that the filament still isn't proprietary. With a little tweaking, it just works. Oh the time I spent on fixing my DIY printers... Time I can never get back. And on the one hand, yes, I also learned so much from doing that, but I've not been able to apply this knowledge in my working life, it's all 'hobbyism' :D
Yup, this about sums it up.
Which I think is the point of this video. You're telling you manufacture if they want to be part of this community they need to consider giving us the ability to participate at the level that hobbyist participate. Or make it so that it's possible to crack it open without breaking a warranty kind of thing.
Thanks for checking this out mate. Been curious about this, but I think you've nailed who the market is for this printer, and it's not us.
Cheers, I think if the cost of the resin came down or they launched that pro mode then it’s a better option
New subscriber here. Found you via Fauxhammer's video. Very tempted to get this. Love almost everything about it. I don't worry that I can't use other resins and settings. Only concern is the price of the resin. It's just at the edge for me.
By the way, I'd love a video going more in depth on the CYMK system and process.
Thanks for the subscription, Yeh it is expensive, but you can sub out the resin for other brands but if you grab it on offer it’s £55/l and if you buy the printer using my link you get a free bottle of resin, too! and I will see what I can do about the follow up video.
If HP start doing 3d printers we know it's the actual end of resin printing.. Great video! Agree with all your points. Does kinda feel like we're at the precipice of a shift for these companies to find alternative revenue streams..
Haha! Well let’s hope that doesn’t happen, thanks for watching
hp has been making 3d printers for about a decade, and make excellent systems. they sell to the industrial market. its called multi-jet fusion printing. there are lots of printing techniques using inkjet heads, multi-jet, binder-jet, and material jet techniques. Material jet systems like from stratasys j series and mimaki, can do full color process, with per voxel color, opacity , and durometer, in one shot. the cheapest of these types of machines is about 30 grand. that will come down over time. material jet will be the tech that brings printing as an appliance. hp actualy had a full color muilti jet but they killed that line- they had two teams with two completely different product lines in the space and killed one off (arguably the wrong one, the multicolor one). hp's printers use inkjet heads to apply binding material on top of a powder nylon process in a similar but different process to binder jet. not stuff you can run at home. the stratasys and mimaki ones shoot resin out of an inkjet. this stuff is widely used to make things like surgical training dummies and architectural models and the parts are absolutely crazy.
I was just going to say, what's already been said HP's been 3D printing for a long time now...
@@HunterMayer I meant consumer 3d printers..
@@AnotherNewManGaming Ah ic. They have failed to get into this space... but not without wanting/researching the possibility. The worst part will be when the big companies lobby and start to push out the little guys who can't handle the overhead of regulatory pressure and lock-ins (hp or otherwise.) My knowledge of the HP mission is hearsay and inadmissible in court: but I asked some engineers that run in my circles about this... A couple engineers over the decades from this area in HP had bits to share (all for the price of a beer... or two...) They have/are trying to get into this consumer space (like they have with the laser and jet printers... by controlling the medium used to print.) The space is all still too volatile for a business their size (they won't be allowed to take the risks... again, reminder, this is second hand information) I am told they can't get their tech to scale reliably at those cost points... yet... We'll see! eh! ;D Its been half a decade since I have hung out with those folks though... So its old hearsay at that.
Fantastic job, and I agree with your assessment of these products. They make a lot of sense when you compare them to Formlabs, but absolutely falls flat for us hobbyists.
Something else worth noting that gives me great concern for their ecosystem; is the reliance on a login and connection to a cloud server to slice prints for the Ultracraft Reflex. If Heygears don't add the "Pro" mode you mentioned, in addition to removing the login requirement on the slicer, then this printer may straight up be unusable one day if for whatever reason that server goes offline.
Happens all the time. Like how many video games have suffered this form of digital decay and are just straight up unplayable now?
Edit: one more point I'd like to add, is that even for most small businesses who are buying resin printers for a production line would be better off buying 3 budget printers vs this thing. If one goes down you still have two pumping out parts while you sort out maintenance.
Yeh, both really valid points, I also worry about the need to login too, it’s too easy to turn around and increase to cost or insist on a subscription model. Phone and TV companies do this all the time, again is more normal for “business” models but that is not the ideal destination for hobby machines.
Love your organised art shelf James, do you want to come and set up my craft room better…lol Great update as I was thinking of getting a 3D printer to make silicon molds and resin artwork! Thanks for sharing this important content for is creators put there😄💯
Ha! Thanks but no thanks, I have a hard enough time with my own!
My god the most sickly CZcams video I've seen, they must have paid you a lot to bull up this printer
Not paid, just a great machine
Can you print or make a mold for very small pieces with this printer, and will it copy a solid object placed inside it?
Yes, depending on the material you are casting, absolutely you can.
So how long does it take to change the resin for another colour and and how much waist is there?
There is some waste but it’s minimal, if you are just changing resin type it can be filtered and put back into the pot, if you are using customs I would recommend buying some black bottles to keep them in. In terms of cleaning the vat, perhaps 5 minutes.
Digging the Pratchett collection behind you.
Love a bit of pratchett, it’s where the channel name comes from too.
Incredibly well put James!!!!! Amazing video! You deserve 50k subs by summer!
Haha 😜 cheers fingers crossed
How much would it cost to print a 6-hour object, from a print-farm business? I imagine having someone else do the print is going to be the better option if if you're only going to do a print every once.
Also, it doesn't have Lidar , and more material support like the X1C, but any thoughts which HeyGear printer is closest to the Bambu P1S in terms of performance?
BTW, any thoughts on the Infimech TX printer?
Thanks for the comments, for the cost it depends, professional printers will charge anything from £20-30 all the way to hundreds of pounds (i got some dinosaurs printed for a few videos ago they were around £70 each but printed on a FormLabs system so the resin for that is £125/l)
It’s not comparable to an FDM printer like an X1C or a P1S as it’s different tech. The closest competitor is something like Form Labs. Hobbyists should look towards something like a GK2 if you need a heater or if you want speed perhaps the new Saturns?
Last one if you’re just printing once or twice, save your money and buy resin models from artists, shop somewhere like PK PRO/ Noble Knight or El Greco.
I am pretty sure that if bespoke resin and proprietary systems become the norm, we will see plenty of companies pop up with a variety of workarounds. For example, I buy printer cartridges for my epson ink jet that are not OEM, and pay about 1/2. I think that 3D printing is still very much in its infancy and I am very excited to see the future of it.
Thanks for the positive take, that’s my approach too, it’s possible that manufacturers can “brick” unofficial resins but equally possible they will open up too.
I am the target market for this (I own a low end Formlabs), but you are right…this is the Roomba model. But I think the industry is going to split more between closed and open and both will thrive.
I love to think, this is the worst 3d printers will ever be, it’s a bright looking future
Great video and great points - I'd also really prefer if 3d printing doesn't turn into the hellscape nightmare that is trad 2d printers. I still hope the likes of Elegoo etc start taking some of the better design cues from these kinds of printers though, we've seen a bit of that with the Saturn 4 release recently so I'm hopeful the next few generations of printers will innovate without closing everything off
Yeh, that’s my hope too, you have companies like Bambu and Hey Gears with closed systems (although at least with FDM you can swap materials) and then there is still innovation in the hobby end. So feels like it could go one way or the other.
Proprietary anything is bad juju. I'll stick with Elegoo as I'm just printing for myself
I don't get the dig at Bambu. I'm an FDM guy, yes, with a X1C. I need something that works, not a tinkering project. The X1C delivers that. It's an appliance that works. I send it a job in the garage with a high degree of confidence, that it will just print. Open source, sure, whatever, they have opened up the firmware if you want to go off-warrantee. No idea how many use this option, but it's nice it's there. Filament? go for your life, I regularly plumb the depths of Amazon using weird non-Bambu filament. I do wish the Nozzles were a more common design, but there are now 3rd party high flow ones coming out. So I'd actually hold up Bambu as the right way to do it. Innovate, push the industry forward, but open up what you can.
I’m not really having a dig at Bambu, kudos to them, but I worry it’s the begin of a trend that is highly commercially successful of moving into essentially a subscription model, it’s not difficult to imagine rfid chips being added to Bambu labs filament reels in future and the entire system being closed. Like I say, more an observation about industry trends than a specific comment about one brand
It's definitely a concern, but I think we passed the point of maximum danger with bambu a few months back. They clamped down on an exploit that allowed people to root the x1 and install custom firmware. Then after consultation they released a new version that allowed you to opt out of warrantee support, and have a boot loader for custom firmware. The bambu spools already have RFID chips, that's how they track usage on spools. But there's been no attempt to lock users in.
So it looks like they are choosing to do the right thing.
Good to know, and yeh Bambu are doing a lot right here
Is it bad that im half tempted to buy this just to see if i can modify it so I can use it with chitu?
If you crack it let me know 😂
@@RisingApe Will do, and I'll wave it in the companies face as they cant do anything to me for it
This is exactly why you can’t really lock it down lol. This community operates on a level of wanting to bend and break those environments because you have a bunch of engineers and scientists who live in that rigid environment in their work life all day long and want nothing more than to break it, have flexibility, agency and artistry back a little bit lol. They want to swim against the current.
1400 is like 3 ps5's and thats pretty expenciv. Fun video though buddy 😊
Thanks 🙏
These printers need to have every option covered including all these issues corrected so that this product can become a small business for some one to start up. This product would be the go to for tiny commercial art businesses.
I think that’s the plan
I have thought about the path that 3d printers can take.
Pushing pixels per area will only take you so far, but quality of life features could be good.
I think at the end of the day at some point resolution won’t matter any more, then it’s about how easy/ how fast you can achieve the same thing
my ams bambu can do multi color prints and per object prints, muilti plates, just assemble it
FDM is loads better than it used to be but it’s no where near resin in terms of precision yet, it’s an incredible printer but another different use case. Thanks for watching
Could you SHOW some files the you printed on this machine that back up your opinion. You have not shown even one NICE print. The bird was far away and the tail had issues. The first print had layer issues. It would be nice if this expensive professional machine is able to make detailed, clean prints. Does it?
Thanks for the feedback I have more photos in my previous video czcams.com/video/aGebC1tiLQc/video.html and there is a closer shot of the dinosaur in the first 3 seconds and also a 20 sec shot in the last 3 minutes of the video
Would be awesome if these companies hosted a hack/modathon for 3D printers and handed out awards for creativity and improvements. Maybe offering jobs or patents rights 🤷♀️ would help speed up the replicators we desperately need 😂
Haha 😝 absolutely
I was thinking of buying this printer as I'm a novice and this would be my very first 3D printer, I know nothing about 3D printing so if this machine can do everything for me that I'm not able to do because i'm just not that knowledgeable then that for me has got to be a good thing, I was going to use different resins in their bottle to see if I could use cheaper resins and if that works then again that could only be a good thing, I really can't do all that dialing in thing and doing my own supports for my models which by the way have been done for me so I have to trust the people that have produced the stl files, I want to produce some 1:76 scale model buses and I really think that this printer would help me do that even though the printer has its downsides like trying to lock you into buying their own proprietary resins and of course the price but in time I may get around the resin thing and the Machine may pay for itself if I opt to sell the model buses that I make but now that I've seen your video I'm now a little bit unsure?. Please tell me why you think I should buy one, I mean making model buses maybe a bit more profitable than making little model soldiers - right??.
Hi Chris, the best way I can put it is it’s the best 3D printer on the market right now. If you have the budget to run it, resin and all you will love using it. The concerns around being locked in are not a problem in a commercial setting or for use cases where you need precision parts easily. Think of it like buying an iPhone or an android phone. If you use the link in the description you get $100 off and a free resin too so that’s worth having!
Here is the thing..
If you are going to be doing sales I think this would be a great machine.
I think in the long run you will end up spending less time and money on pieces due to less failures in the long run.
I agree, while no system is perfect if you are looking at purchasing a form labs system. This system costs less than half and is just as good.
Definitely just a Formlabs competitor. May make Formlabs reduce their cost model and move more into the hobbyist segment.
That would be interesting but the newest Form 4 starts at £3600 so may be a while before it comes to market
GK2!
Yup, I have one of those too! Check out my previous review
Oops! Typo - LIEK- should be LIKE -
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did't get why this printer is better, the build in sensors or the support? other than that I didn't get why this printer is so amazing
It’s a combo of all that, together in one packages, from the hardware that is top tier, to the sensors and software on the machine which take any guesswork out of set up to the software on the cloud/ desktop which automates the entire orientation/ support/ slice. To the integration of the resins/ wash/ cure it’s all really slick. Other printers do some of this this is the first that combines them. Other than that, it’s not that amazing ;)
Tbh what this printer brings to the table isn't revolutionary and in some cases backwards and outdated for it's price point especially looking at it's other competitors like GKTwo and Elegoo's newest Neptune Printer which blows this out the park. Hope you cover elegoo's new printer soon, aside from that Great video! Cheers!
Thanks, what do you see as a backwards step? In almost every way this is the most advanced printer I have ever used, do you mean the Saturn 4? I have some friends who have tested it, other than the tilting vat there is nothing crazy about the Saturn unless I’m missing something (I haven’t tested it) and god forbid you spill resin near that mechanism…
@RisingApe The fact that you need to manually Level it and having proprietary resin is a step backwards in my personal opinion. Especially so when a number other flag ship consumer printers have auto levelling and doesnt limit itself in resin usage. I mean for that price point one would at least expect at auto levelling. 🤷♂️
@@SlowRkers you don’t have to manually level it, it comes levelled, if the machine gets knocked out by a print fail/ vibration or similar, you can level it manually (albeit with the sensors telling you exactly what to do, even down to which what to tighten the screws) though. You do have to level the machine, (to make sure it’s on a level surface though)
Unless you don´t know there's the Saturn 4 ultra just 400 euros thats going to kick ass.
I do know, it looks like an amazing machine, once it’s been properly tested and assuming everything works long term it will be difficult to recommend anything else. That plate looks like a paint though and I worry about getting resin inside.
In the future, aren't 3D printers going to be cheap, but the resin will be really expensive?
The costs will continue to fall, and cheap resins will still be available which will be fine for making models will still exist
Quality to price, it doesn't look much different to my Halot Mage with Jaylo resin! 🤷
If you know what you are doing you can get incredible results from properly dialling in an supporting your models even with basic hardware. The value comes with not needing to learn with this printer.
i just wish the printer had the cleaning and uv curing machine built in because its a real pain
What you are looking for is an SLS printer, they aren’t there in terms of cost/ detail yet but give them 5 years and they might be. Some entry level systems are just coming to the market now, and cost around £3k
id never get one. pla is good enough for me and my family.
Yeh for large plastic parts hard to beat FDM printing
You took one whole minute of my time to tell me nothing then waste my time another way and still nothing.Thanks😂
Watch a few more minutes maybe I’ll get you again, seriously though, sorry you feel that way.
Wow...why does everyone believe everything is for home Hobbyist. I go to a makerspace that has plenty of 3d printers including a Form3. I also bought an Elegoo Mars, Rocket1 and 2 Ender3..All of which are almost useless due to all kind of issues to living in South Texas in an Apartment in Galveston. Honestly I rather pay $40 a month to use their printers. .. I have spent about $1700 on just the machines..not including filaments and resins.
I agree, that’s the point of the video, Hey Gears do say it’s for the consumer market themselves though. It’s an amazing machine but it’s not a hobby product in the sense we are used to.
I bought a GKTwo for my home printing and it has been excellent. Can't be arsed to go to a makerspace everytime I want to print something 😅
Wait a year for innovation to appear on the cheaper models.
fingers crossed, or for a cheaper version of this one to appear
This looks like a Formslab 3 knock-off...
It’s the closest model of business for sure, I have actually compared the two (3L) the output is almost identical and this costs half the FormLabs and the resins are cheaper. But heygears are a big company in their own right.
HeyGears vs FormLabs 4 ...ouch
I haven't tested the Form 4 yet but it does look interesting, they have finally swapped to LCD now too.
resin 3x more than the average...pass
Depends how you look at it, it’s under half the cost of FormLabs which is the next nearest rivals in terms of market.
Build volume to dam small... And it's $2200 here
Aus?
Proprietary resins? I'm out. Looks like a good tool for small businesses and education so long as they have a strong support network behind it.
Not for hobbyist fiddlers like me.
Thanks for watching, that’s what many will feel I think
Same! The only time i feel justified for a 3d resin printer to have a Proprietary resin , is if said resin is deemed Safe to use and touch. Aside from that, one can't really justify Proprietary resin.
@@SlowRkers Are there any safe resins? I can see the argument for stock control and having your inventory stored and easy to use, not a typical hobbyist solution though.
@@RisingApe Not I'm aware of any at the moment (there was one Korean brand but it's kinda iffy) but if they are able to create one, making it proprietary would make sense in both technical wise and business wise . But making a machine that's uses proprietary resin for just because it can (from what i recall it can print using hobbist resins but it'll void the warranty or so i remember someone tested) ... isn't really justified even more so for commercial business. as the last thing as a business I want is to have machine that relies supply with only 1 vendor, if there's any disruption with the vendor with shipping or selling said resin, i'll be hard pressed in finding another especially so when i have orders to fill.
@@RisingApe sorry if I might sound like am ranting or maybe I am unknowingly. But for some reason I feel disappointed with this printer. 😕
I got sucked in by the clickbait title but didn't have tbe patience for the punchline. Get to the point, man!
The first half was the review portion the second was the conclusions, I will include chapters to allow folks to skip irrelevant bits going forward
A very sad day if these companies make it there own product not fitting any other pieces from other creators machine parts. No wonder our world is just not advancing, because inventors sell there ideas to corporations that only see $ signs. This company seems to be going like Microsoft. It is never shared with the population unless only on there site, needing purchase or updates for hardware/software.
Where are the inventors that can come forward publicly first and seek our approval to share our tax dollars in bringing your
product to everyone. Via the peoples industrial set ups around the countries that will produce these patented ideas for us all.
Our futures have been stolen by big Corp, controlling factors and greed……
Bit deep for the comments section this one but yes broadly agree with you.
Nah.. Saturn 4 Ultra - the best printer :)) Or Phrozen Revo.. both cheaper. You also giving false info, Reflex is not the most detailed with just 33nm..
There is no false info, the voxel size of 33nm seems larger than some claimed sizes from other brands but the actual results are more detailed than other brands. Other creators cover this point really well, highly recommend checking out @fauxhammer. As to the Saturn etc, the price point makes them a good bet but I haven’t used one and they have only been out a few weeks so we will see.
@@RisingApe have you compared details result to for example Phrozen Revo? 16.8 x 24.8 microns . I'm curious about comparison, especially with their newest resin.
@@vladterra7353 no but honestly once you have paint on these minis you aren't telling the difference. However I would like to test it
This has no innovation compared to elegoo saturn 4 pro
The Saturn 4 Ultra isn’t out yet, unless yiu have pre release stock, it’s on pre order until likely July, even then the innovation on that machine is just (with the exception of the tilt) is just mirroring what is already available on this machine and has been for a year. The Saturn is much cheaper though.
It’s not a negative view. It’s how capitalism works. Companies will always try to milk us for more
It’s not really a negative review at all, I love the machine but it’s just not for our market
Selling to hard much
Possibly, not to you it seems, cheers for watching though
Ohh trust me lazy people with more money than sense will buy this printer to print models to paint or armies no doubt it's basically the easy button but it still doesn't eliminate the hazard materials and the rest of the dangerous chemicals associated with resin printing, IMO the Saturn 4 ultra is it better machine than this and the GK2.
I haven’t reviewed the Saturn 4 but i seriously doubt it’s a better machine than this. It is significantly cheaper though and if you don’t need a heater it’s a great shout. It looks a right pain to clean though
@@RisingApe resin settings aren't that hard once you know the exposure for the resin that you normally use you don't have to deal with it anymore once that's taken care of what does that machine have other than auto bed level it's also a nightmare if it comes out of being level, paying that extra tax for someone to do exposure times and testing Anna's overpriced machine so you can pay for overpriced resin lol
Agreed, the plus points, the machine prints very detailed minis with excellent tolerances, I was able to assemble multi part resin kits with minimal cleanup, plus a variety of bits like the auto fill and low resin detection, as well as the excellent heater and mixing. The bad bits the cost and the proprietary slicer/resin, others have proven you can swap out resin though. Basically it’s a use case thing.
The Saturn 3 ultra does exactly that with no auto bed level details have been there since the Saturn 2, and you can only swap resins that have the same settings or exposure, trust me the Saturn 4 is a way better machine and i dont even have it YET
@@NoMercyFtw It depends how you define better,but this is exactly what I was talking about when I said I was hoping hobby printers would get feature upgrades. In terms of build quality there is no way the saturn will be better made, and I really worry what happens when resin gets into that tilt mechanism. but in terms of value NO DOUBT at under £400 the 4 will be amazing and loads more popular.
LMAO is this a joke. A build plate of 192x121x220. It's useless.
Wow, what are you printing?
I hate to post this. Has your voice always had that rasp? I noticed you don't wear a mask when dealing with uncured resin. Go see a doctor, unless you have a cold, and start wearing a proper gas mask. This stuff is dangerous. Sorry for being a db, but I figure maybe it will save your life, so I'll take the flames.
Thanks for the concern, it’s appreciated. I actually have a large extraction system running in the garage, but you are absolutely right about the mask, can’t be too careful
If you use words to describe things clearly NOT and ABSOLUTE ton, how can we trust you on the rest of the review? "Set up is how you would expect" then why am I watching this video. Pre-leveled at the factory, I don't think you understand LEVELING. Leveling is not absolute, it's relative. You're way more interested in lame entertainment than useful information.
I’m going to assume you aren’t trying to be rude, and will simply say that I try to present my information in a fun way and you are entitled not to like it. Please keep the comments civil though.
its juat another regular ass 3d printer? wtf u saying?
I don’t understand your comment