Saturn 4 Ultra: the Best Resin 3D Printer deal of 2024 - Elegoo's Biggest Upgrade!
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- čas přidán 30. 07. 2024
- Just pour resin, it prints. That was my experience with the Saturn 4 Ultra. No Z-offset, no paper strips, no screws to adjust... Resin 3D Printing is very easy now - you just focus on Slicing it right.
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Mars 5 Ultra is smaller and cheaper:
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Thanks Elegoo for sending the Saturn 4 Ultra for me to review!
This is NOT a sponsored video. I didn't pay for the sample unit.
HANDLE - STL Files:
www.printables.com/model/8704...
2 versions: Screws (drilling) and Adhesive (Double-Sided Tape)
Levelling the Build Plate always made me a bit nervous: like, "I need to do it right..." Otherwise you would just discover it one hour later... And Cleaning a mess before trying again was no fun.
The Saturn 4 takes out most of the difficulties. It is very automatic with a bunch of sensors to help. I won't say it is impossible to mess up. But the printer finally helps a lot to avoid problems.
Sure, you still need to master the Slicing tools. And avoid making a mess with resins... and wear protection.
#Elegoo #Saturn4Ultra #Resin3DPrinter
Chapters:
0:00 Is it gonna Crash?
0:17 Saturn 4 Ultra is Very Different
1:27 The Latch
1:59 Classy Striptease
2:21 Updating Firmware
2:49 the Drip Bib
3:04 Tilt-Release mechanism
3:40 Test Print
4:24 Puzzling Mystery
5:14 Resin Calibration Tool
5:52 Printing over Wifi
6:10 Cameras in everything
6:20 Exhausting Exit
6:30 Flip-Up Cover is amazing
6:40 Custom Handle for the Lid
7:17 COB and Collimated Fresnel
7:32 Saturn 4 vs Saturn 4 Ultra
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Written, Performed and Produced by Everson Siqueira - Věda a technologie
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During the whole video I was thinking "oh great another cool printer I want, but cannot afford" (I thought it would cost $1K+) but seeing it is only $400 this will definitely be my next resin printer to go with my Jupiter.
Sure… when I saw it I thought it was just during a pre-sale time… But no! That’s the actual price 😮 its a crazy good deal.
@@GeekDetour I just need to finish making my resin room before i start again and get this printer. I was dumb and printed in my bedroom for a year but recently moved it all out and moved my FDM printers to my room an my resin to a room I will ventilate.
That’s a good move. Now I have a dedicated workshop that is not part of the house - it is SO different than having everything with me in our sleeping room 🤣
Out of all the 3d printer reviewers, your videos are most heartwarming and inspiring :)
Oh, thank you! You have no idea how much your words meant to me. I am very emotional - which sometimes makes the task of producing a video very hard if I don’t have a strong connection with it. A special curiosity, something I want to change or test… That’s why I never accept to review plain clones - because usually you can only say: “yeah, it’s cheaper”. Soul killing 🤣
This machine is looking seriously impressive for the price... If it really fixes the "Hole" problem I am sold! No matter the printer I use I always have to sand down the hole on top of the heads of models. The timelapse on the camera also looks great for the price. Awesome video, glad to see you back!
Thanks man! I need to print a bit more to explore the top bubble thingy, but it immediately caught my attention. Sure, I am back - the Video Gear you see in the end took me 2 months to be finished 😂
Son, congratulations! Needless to say I’m your fan number one. ❤. Excellent to see another resin video! 👏🏻👏🏻
The handle idea is an awesome plus! I loved it! Smart inclusion 😊
I made the handle because opening the Lid was the only thing I could not really do fast with just one hand in this printer 😄 Now I can 👍
@@GeekDetour❤
This is the best comment
This might be my favorite CZcams comment ever
I love the handle!!!
Beautiful video. Excellent work, as always!
Congratulations, friend!!!
By the way, the handle is great!
Hey German! So nice to see you here again! Thanks ❤️
I have an original pre-order saturn and have loved it.... This is the first one I have seen that has made me feel like an upgrade would be worth it.
Ive never seen those holes on the top layer.... Never heard of that before.
That’s interesting! I always had those on every rook, in all printers and resins
I have the saturn 3 ultra and my rook doesn't have those holes. Seems like a great printer but it did need a handle. I only wish the power and USB were on the front with the power plug and WIFI antenna on the back of the unit.
You really explained alot of the features that come with the S4U. I love it. Wish i had one but right now i dont have the money, hopefully i can get one in the future
Thanks! Yeah, an excellent price doesn’t help so much when you don’t have the money 😅 I’ve been there SO many times 😩
Nice use of the bib! I really enjoyed this review
Hi Ross! How are you doing man?! I am anxious to know your take on the Saturn 4 Ultra - I’ll check now if you finally published it. I am excited about this one because I think it made Resin 3D printing quite easier than before. I never liked the bed leveling with the ball head. And the price is superb. Now I’ll watch yours.
Oh, @FauxHammer, did you ever get the bubbles in your Rooks or other models, on the top layer? On other resin printers?
@@GeekDetour I had no bubbles in any of my prints. I just looked now and I have 16 models sat next to me all sans bubble!
Does the drip bib come with the printer? If not, where to buy? I just ordered the printer!
I like the handle you added. On my Saturn and Saturn S"s I added a knob on the top of the covers. Easy on and easy off now :)
TeamKnob! TeamKnob!
@@GeekDetour 🤣
Nice video, thanks! Really is easy fixing the handle problem as you showed, think I would go for some kind of suction cup handle maybe
Awesome! The legend is back!
I wish the “Legend” would never go! 🤣 A few projects took the first 3 months of this year - now, hopefully, back to being full time CZcamsr ❤️ Thanks man!
@@GeekDetour Thank you very much! I have been watching for a really long time, since the iPod classic days. In fact, I probably watched your first video on fixing your iPods hundreds of times, and I still do to this day. Great channel, hope to see something new with the iPods! Maybe you should try the iPod mini as they are much easier to repair, way easier to mod, and are really cool iPods! Best of luck!
Is that washing station the mercury xs? They sell it as a bundle with the ultra 4 and Wondered if that would be an issue. Should i look at a different washing station?
Great video as usual. Very funny and informative.
Glad you enjoyed it ❤️
It's a good day when Geek Detour posts a new video :D
Oh, this was very beautiful! Thanks! ❤️
How did you test if that latching mechanism is "perfect every time", didn't see a dial test indicator - just curious because it's a feature on a part of the printer I had trouble with in the past on other machines - overall repeatability.
You have a point: I didn’t use a needle dial to test for tolerance between each insert. What I know is: the old mounts (the ones with the ballheads) you could feel everytime you inserted it, they would rest in different positions and the paper tests indicated that the position was slightly different. The way this one on the Saturn 4 is machined is very different than that. It rests on a completely flat surface and you feel it. Also, the springs on the build plate guarantee the contact against the screen. So, yeah, even if it has any variation, the whole system actually worked fine for me perfectly in my test prints without the usual fussing that I was so (sadly) used to do. @FauxHammer just released his review - he printed way more than I did, and his results are the same: it just prints great and easy.
Saturn 4 Ultra, What type of screw do you use on the main plate movement feed? Ball bearing screw and nut or plastic slide nut and regular trapezoidal screw?
It’s a regular trapezoidal LeadScrew. It is not the fancy LeadScrew with a bearing full of spheres.
I love that you installed the handle.
It just grinds my gears that you didn't do it on the indented other side of the front. xD
I see… yeah, the right side is a bit more recessed in the center. When I have time, I will make a variation of my model and I will post it too - the one at the left is already on Printables (link in the description). I usually open doors and lids with my left hand, so the main task can be made with my right hand - I didn’t even consider making the handle for the right side because of that. Also, a handle at the right side might partially block the vision of the touch display, when you are standing up and looking down to the printer. But that’s the beauty of DIY solutions: anyone can choose what’s more important and fits best your preferences. Thank you - that was eye opening.
Great video loved the handle
Thanks! Oh, how nice! Look, opening and closing with just one hand, with a safe grip, this printer got PERFECT for me 😄
@@GeekDetour I really need to get my hands on one of these, hopefully I will get a job soon and then boom I can start my adventure in resin
@@roberttaubman4418good luck my friend! Last year was a tough year for us. Hold on tight - better times always come!
Yeah wish I saw this before I preordered this morning then found this when trying to share videos of why I was so excited for my toy coming next month
It’s a great printer - very easy to use. I am loving mine!
Do you have to take the machine half way apart to replace the screen or is it easy like most new machines. Screws and comes out from top?
Excellent question! I don’t know - I think I need to make a follow up video with questions like this. Thanks!!!
I started resin printing with the original Saturn. I now have two Saturn 2 printers in my garage "factory". I passed on the Saturn 3, but I'm stoked for the Saturn 4. As soon as my tax refund comes in, I'm buying one!
It was a surreal experience for me: Like… I unpacked, did the updates, poured resin and hit “Print”… No homing, no paper, no Z-Offset… and it printed just fine! It felt weird, as if I was doing something wrong 🤣
4:14 is he curing the resin in IPA ? I've never done it before that way. Is it smoother or why should i do it this way? :D
Fala Everson, que video maneiro!! I am subscribed!! Duas perguntinhas: Sera que tem lugar dentro da impressora pra colocar um aquecedor de ar, desses pra impressora 3d? talvez acoplado aa tampa da impressora? Outra coisa, eu moro na alemanha e estou tendo dificuldade em imprimir resina transparente pra placa de mordida odontologica, eh uma resina viscosa. Voce ja teve problemas desse tipo no inverno no Brasil? o Modelo sai distorcido com um efeito tipo "GHOSTING". Mesmo aquecendo a resina continuo tendo esse tipo de problema. Me da uma luz!!! (voce prefere que eu escreva em ingles?)
Oi Walter, sem problemas em português. Muito obrigado! Entao, temperatura é mesmo um problema - a gente é quase vizinho, moro na Espanha 😂. E realmente imprimir no Verão é mais fácil. No Inverno fica frio demais pra imprimir sem aquecimento. Elegoo vai vender um acessório de aquecimento interno - acho que já está no site. Vai aquecer o AR dentro - eu preferia que fosse o próprio VAT, mas enfim. Eu tenho ZERO experiência com resinas super viscosas como esta de odontologia.
@@GeekDetour Opa!!! valeu pela resposta. parabens uma vez mas, vou continuar procurando uma solucao. valeu.
What was the leveling plate you used around @4:05 that was too small for the print? I'm looking into getting the Saturn 4 Ultra with the Mercury XS, but I'm not sure if it'll be too small in some cases or not.
The plate is the one that came with the Saturn 4 Ultra, it almost fit my washing station (which was the first combo). I need to ask Elegoo if their newer washing stations have a wider opening.
@@GeekDetour This I am hoping they will release a washing station for the new line soon. I can do the gheto container shake for now sigh, but by Xmas I want nice cur and wash station just to stream line and feel more professional
thanks you for explaining the different between the ultra and Saturn 4.
Thank YOU! My pleasure 😊 Just to be clear again: both have all the sensors, auto-leveling, same screen, uv source, fresnel lens, flip cover and quick release… The Ultra has 3 extra things: Tilt-Release, AI Camera and Wifi. 😂
When you cure under the Uv , what is the liquid where you'll put the piece? Water or something else ??😊
It is Water 💦 And it doesn’t matter if the resin was Water Washable or not - it is not for washing, the piece is washed already. It cures differently - it’s better underwater, or should I say, it cures better without oxygen? 😄 FormLabs has an article about that.
good, great video
Thank you Sr.Ferrete! ❤️
great video!
Glad you enjoyed it ❤️ Thanks!
Curious if the Saturn 4 green lid will work on the 4 ultra?
Hey thanks for the review, planning to upgrade from Saturn 2. Are you using a water-washable resin hence curing the print soaked in water? From the looks of it it is plant-based elegoo resin?
Excellent questions! I think the Black resin I used for the Rooks were a Black Plant-Based resin, that Elegoo doesn’t sell anymore - it was not water washable. BUT, after I clean the part in alcohol, I like to cure them submerged on water - I need to make a video about the reasons why I do it. The most important is that the part gets less tacky. 👍
@@GeekDetour I heard this before and thought only good done for water-washable ones. I'll give it a try tomorrow because I also have tacky prints and couldn't figure out a better way yet. This might be it, ty for the tip!
@@abstractoidoh, but before I put it into water to cure, the part was already super clean with alcohol.
Is that the Elegoo washing station? Im thinking of getting it with the Saturn but if it doesn't fit the build plate, I might just skip it.
Your question is super valid - I will write to Elegoo tomorrow asking about their current Washing Stations because mine was their first one - they could have reshaped the opening of the container, keeping the rest of the unit. But I don’t know for sure, so I need to ask them if what they sell now would accept the Saturn 4 build plate or not.
What resin did you use here was it the 8k quality or the v2? I assume the 8k would be the best to use on these newer machines? Anyone have any useful input?
I won't say the 8k resins are just the same. But the difference in terms of visible details is very hard to grasp at naked eye. A couple of weeks ago I watched a very interesting video about it: czcams.com/video/UCPCsemKCS4/video.htmlsi=B7t6m0mE5SXuqF5z
@@GeekDetour Thank you for the reply I will take a look!
Thank you for the video ! Nice presentation and job ! .. so about the accessories I will not going to drill the lid but use a sticker 😅😅 also good idea ! Thank you again
Thank YOU! Yesterday I was uploading my original model and, yeah, I though a lot of people would prefer using just adhesive - at least in the beginning. So I made the alternative version - hope it works nice for you ❤️👍
@@GeekDetour thank you for your reply ! I think I’m gonna pre order this one.
That will be uSeful’ for my work.
Looks interesting, does it need a special type of resin ? (the "V2.0" resin they list as add-on)
Nope. I actually used two resins that theoretically should have been to the trash already… Way expired. The first one is 4 years old 🤣
Thank you for your Video , As a beginner its censusing which one is better printer , can you plz tel me Saturn 4 Ultra or Anycubic photon M5S Pro . which one to buy
I never used an Anycubic printer. But I have many printers from Elegoo and they all work good.
@@GeekDetour Ok thank you
What was the stay. I've never seen someone use it. Just water or some IPA to help it get off the plate?
Actually, I didn’t spray on the plate to help taking them off. I just like to clean everything together. Since the build plate didn’t fit the washing station, I ended up cleaning just by spraying.
I've ordered on of these and thanks for the review.
I noticed something in your 360 that I was worried about. is the hood airtight? it looks like a gap 1:50 does that mean the fumes can get out or is there a hidden seal further in?
Thanks!!! Oh, if that worries you, get an extractor tube connected to the back. That’s the only practical way.
Strange. There does look like a gap in this video, but other videos show it resting snugly. I wonder if something is off on yours.
A good review and nice solution to the handle-lacking case, but what is the reason for using a liquid while curing your print and what is this liquid?
Thanks! Oh, the handle is on Printables! I made an adhesive version too. And the liquid is a mixture of 2 parts hydrogen, 1 oxygen 🤣
mmmm i want. does the wifi work remotely or do you have to be connected to the same wifi? i travel a lot for work and i was thinking it would be a nice thing to come home to a finished model waiting to be washed and painted.
I think it needs to be on the same network.
The handle for the lid is a great idea.
Thank you 🤗
thanks for the video
My pleasure! I mean, lots of work, but ❤️
Came here for the resin calibration directions! Thanks! The handle is a great idea! (Edit) Subscribed.
Awesome! Thank you! ❤️ And welcome to the channel!
Hi there, by any chance, do you hear back from Elegoo whether they are planning to release a newer wash and cure station that could fit the Saturn 4 Ultra’s build plate entirely or perhaps a new feature like drying, since the last one was released 3 years ago.
There is a chance mine is actually smaller than the one they sell now. I am waiting a response from Elegoo 🤣
@@GeekDetour Be nice to know I am doing p1p printing already but this is gonna be my first resin printer finally buying one glad I waited for this one, and I am getting the filter system bundle too for it, as my biggest fear was since I max produce a few months out the year for art shows I didn't like the little fitler towers since you got swap the filters too much and the old lid made it awkward if I used another system to filter the fumes as well. I do see they are selling the XS cure and wash with it as a bundle but again all the reviews I seen show it not fitting so didn't see point in getting it.
Quick Question, At around the 4:15 mark you put the print in a jar of I assume alcohol, and cure the print while sitting in the jar. Is there a particular reason why you are curing it in the solution instead of just having it sit in the cure station?
Nope. It’s water 💦 I’ll make a video about it
@@GeekDetour Awesome looking forward to it!
A couple of questions.
Did they go back to a lead screw? Or is it a ballscrew? Looks like a leadscrew but I have a hard time believing that.
How much resin do you think you can fit in the vat with the tilt function on? Hoping the absolute max is 1L or more.
Hi there! It is indeed a normal, trapezoidal, LeadScrew - not a ballscrew. And for sure it is less than a 1L
@@GeekDetour Thanks so much for the quick response!
That's so disappointing they went back to a lead screw! This blows my mind.
I was going to refresh my farm with the ultra's and this may actually be a deal breaker for me. Ballscrews are so much more reliable and durable than lead screws in my experience. I wonder if there's a way to mod this unit to upgrade it to a ballscrew.
FauxHammer has a point in his review: on the Saturn 4 Ultra, the Build Plate travels much less, it actually just moves up when printing, not back and forth anymore. The repetitive motion is done by the tilt-release mechanism. So, the LeadScrew is probably good enough. The ballscrew could be completely overkill.
Looking great, why didn't you use the same printer to make the handles? Wouldn't they have a nicer finish than the FDM's ones?
Oh, sure: it could have been printed on resin as well, but the brass inserts cannot be pushed in by heat, as resin doesn’t melt. I would need to use epoxy glue… so, in this case making it FDM is so much faster!
This is why I have both Resin and FDM printers, I can chose which one is more convenient or necessary in every case.
@@GeekDetour I see now what you are talking about! Thank for the explanation! The print quality looks great; I may have to take a look at that machine sometime in the future.
hi, for the vent opening you can use a steal plate and on the vent hose attached a magnet with a plate for quick disconnect
Yeah, I saw a few projects of quick-release connectors for fume extractors - some using magnets ❤️👍
Very nice. I have two questions 😊
You do not seems to be bothered by resin smell, what resin are you using ?
Can you provide measurements of the printer with the lid raised, I would like to see does it fit my enclosure.
Thank you
Sure! When the Lid is UP 90 degrees (it stays), you need 70cm of total height. You cannot safely operate it if you have less (the cover should at least rotate and become “horizontal”) it gets even taller if you continue pushing it more to the back. You need 43cm of depth with the lid opened. 33 is the depth of the printer with the lid closed.
You need at least 40cm wide to access the lateral and “turn” the printer on with your hand, as well as space for the Wifi antena.
About Resin Smell: I don’t like it. I print much, muuuuch more with filament. I love the quality of the resin prints 😄 When I print resin, I set it and I go away… I finally have my Workshop separated from the house, so I “go back home”. To film the reviews, after a couple of hours I don’t feel the smell… but, yeah, I don’t know anyone who actually enjoy this aspect of the hobby 🤣
@@GeekDetour Thank you very much for your Time
@@GeekDetour do you ever print with plant based resin at all? its what i use when i print and the smell is ALOT more subtle
@@GeekDetour I have an Elegoo Mars 4 9K printer and I use Sunlu Standard Plus resin. I can smell it when I work with it, but I also leave resin in the VAT when not using it. I cannot smell it at all while the printer lid is on, so it's very nicely "sealed" lid on the Mars 4 9k.
Can you tell me how good of a seal this new printe got since the lid is different?
Do you use water or IPA in the glass inside the cure station and why?
Water 💦
@@GeekDetour I'm also interested in the why :D
Can this printer use elegoo rapid resin? I can’t find an answer anywhere.
Sure. It will print with any resin made for resin printers - specially Elegoo. You will probably use a shorter exposure time - you can run a calibration test to find the ideal time.
I was always reluctent with resin I wanted one but got really chatty about my printers with professor second I mentioned resin she told me how a professor of hers she liked died from doing art in resin for years. She got a horrible dose of cancer from not taking it serriously and kept reminding me every time I mentioned resin about the VOC fumes, and other dangers. My biggest issue was the fumes, I saw the little filters but then read you replace them way too often, then saw the preorder for the 4 with the hose slot in back and bundle for their filtration system and yeah I finally put in an order for my first resin.
I been printing and selling prints at art shows for last 2 years, even got p1p with ams in my collection but there was always some projects I wanted to do that FDM just couldn't handle so resn taunted me. And now with the flip so attaching a real filter system not the tiny ones you got swap out more often I feel more confident plus all other research like I got a couple spill trays already for when I almsot got the Mars 3 last year, But the saturn 4 ultra just seems to have all I want now. Plus after going from ender 3s to a p1p I can't do the "go cheap go better later" no more lol Like the auto calibrate alone feature on p1p makes it so my 2 other enders have not been used one time in over a year. I mean the p1p can print faster then the 2 enders, and again I don't have to spend an hour or more calibrating it if I let it sit for a long time to get good quality I just hit calibrate and come back later and its good to go.
So yeah I like this has a real bed leveling an all those little features, I know I could "git gud" and not need them but at same time at the price why not just get a machine where maintenance is lower? Plus its more forgiving for some one new to resin. But yeah I can't wait for next month its gonna take more start up, but with the filtration and the printer I can always start with a container hand shaking and use the Arizona sun to cure. But eventually, I get cure and wash station I just hope some one comes out with a wash station that this can fit into. Hopefully, they start working on that soon at Elgoo
But I am super excited for this I got ton of projects planed i couldn't do with my p1p, gonna miss AMS multicolor prints but not love no print lines I got sand off, and sacrificing fine detail for FDM
Você coloca pra fazer a cura da peça mergulhada em água? Conta aí o porquê sou novo nesse mundo.😅
@ELEGOO: A handle on the cover should be there from factory, just a small one... 👍
I posted my Handle on Printables, also with an adhesive version - it’s in the Description.
@@GeekDetour Great, thanks for sharing!
That hole is clearly air bubble and it seems the tilting mechanism might actually be able to eliminate that since the print no longer needs to be lifted out of the resin therefore is much less likely to form air bubble.
That’s what I think too - but it not always appears on the top of all flat models… But I always had them in the rooks, for example 🤔🤣
Good morning nice handle print 👍 greetings Pieter
Hi Pieter! Thank you! Tomorrow I’ll put the model somewhere for download and I’ll link in the description.
@@GeekDetour nice I ordered the 4 ultra is he any good?
Ok, this is my first video I’ve seen of yours. Did you cure it IN water or ipa?! What’s the purpose of that? I’ve never seen that before.
Yeah! I will make a video about it. I cure in water. FormLabs has published a paper about it a long time ago.
@@GeekDetour thank you! That’s really interesting!
フリップアップカバーを開けるために、本体裏にはどれくらい空間の距離が必要なのでしょうか？
Extra 10cm at the back. 70cm from bottom to top.
@@GeekDetour thx!
AIカメラのタイムラプス録画は、PC等に出力可能なのでしょうか?
Question: what liquid did you cure the print in ?
Hum…. It’s a mixture of Hydrogen and Oxygen, 2 for 1 😂 Normal water. I need to make a video about it.
@@GeekDetour thanks it will be really appreciated
I've been considering an upgrade from my Mars2 Pro to the Saturn 3 Ultra for the last 4-5 months, watching the prices fluctuate on Amazon, then this came out at a lower price so I ordered it the next day. Unfortunately they're not shipping until June/July 😞
Yeah, that’s true and I know that waiting is not nice. BUT, when you get it, oh boy, you will like it! And the price is really good for the features.
@@GeekDetour I ordered direct from Elegoo (I don't think anywhere else is selling it) and it's cheaper than the Saturn 3 ever was.
Is that IPA you are spraying with before removing the print from the print bed? :)
Yes, I washed the pieces and the build plate with IPA, spraying
@@GeekDetour thank you :) will be doing that as well - brilliant idea!
Yeah, when I print something small, I find it easier to just spray it a few times, let it drop, spray more… specially because my cleaning station in the end was quite dirty. I am changing the alcohol now
@@GeekDetour sounds like a good idea :) anything that helps getting those small pieces off the bed without damaging them. You are the first one I’ve seen who takes that approach with the spray. :)
Oh, the spray doesn’t help to take them off. It is just cleaning. I take them off with the spatula and giving it a hit with a tool.
Did you post the file for the handle anywhere I would like to print it
Hi there! @davidfier4874 - it’s on Printables now. Link in the description. I also made an adhesive version.
@@GeekDetour awesome thank you!
Great video my dude! I'm thinking about pulling the trigger on this one. I've never had a 3d printer before...recently got into Warhammer 40k minis. Any thoughts?! What should I get with the printer? like there's any other expensive tool that i need to have a nice and easy place to print my minis?! Thank you, keep it up good work!
Thanks! Get a washing & curing stations - it is mandatory to cure resin prints properly and easily. I have zero experience in painting, you should definitely subscribe to FauxHammer - he does exactly what you are getting into: youtube.com/@fauxhammer?si=TbdD_wzFCWWXwagQ Welcome to 3D Printing!
@@GeekDetour Wow that was fast!! Acabei de olhar seu canal mais a fundo e ver que tu é Brasileiro também, que maneiro cara! Continua com esse conteúdo! O inglês ta voando, parabéns! Também assisti alguns vídeos do Faux hoje mais cedo. Valeu pela dica!
The handle on the lid is definitely needed. How Elegoo missed the need for that....beats me.
They missed that, right? Or did they? 🤔 Most of us agree a handle makes it far better - what we won’t agree is: how should this handle look like? Where should it be located? Last week someone commented here that, maybe by not including a handle, Elegoo is giving everybody a chance to make the perfect product for everybody. You will add your own handle, “exactly” how and where you thought best.
Ps: I don’t like Julien Mairy’s handle… 🤣 He probably doesn’t like mine - our handles are being downloaded by different groups of people.
What does spraying the build plate help with? Does it make prints easier to remove? Or is it just to make it easier to wipe down for the next print?
It’s just cleaning with IPA. I find it easier to wash it together with the plate.
The bed re-leveling definitely needs more research. I've adjusted mine the same way, and it needed loosening on the left (left from looking at the machine, platform right?) as well. The issue is this changes the spring pre-load and whether or not this correctly maintains parallelism on subsequent layers as well as the behavior of the force sensor needs investigating. I'd spend good money on a 1st or 3rd party bed upgrade which integrated "perfect" one time (multiple geometry locks) leveling (jack screws per corner?) while still leveraging a spring-loaded system or not.
The spring-loaded bed and tilt release substantially change base and transition layer geometry and pressure. The result is inconsistent elephant foot across prints with the same settings and resin. No single solution results in a clear, consistent dimensioning of the first layers and I find dimensioning flaws as high up as the first 5-8mm of print depending on how much bed is used and the parts being printed. Large base layers need an option to step the tilt mechanism itself much slower instead of having to practically fry the base layer to the bed to safely adhere larger prints and warping / partial fails is still an issue with some resins.
Hi there! Please, watch my video on the Mars 5 Ultra - I present a solution for what you just described:
czcams.com/video/kZwuVJ2BUlg/video.html
@@GeekDetour I was referring to using your method with thread locker from the Mars 5 Ultra video. I used this method on my S4U, so I put my comment here not thinking about being clear about that context as I was bouncing between tabs.
My concern is leveling the bed by loosening the screws to get even pressure at "Z=0" against the screen also changes the spring pre-load. While I think the adjustment is better than not as I did have some left to right adhesion and base layer thickness / elephant foot variations, the changed spring pre-load affects the spring compression between the upper base plate and build plate during all travel moves including the "compression" stroke the S4U / M5U have during the screen / tank rising back up from release. With the camera, you can see distinct flex of both the upper base, build plate, and arm during each part of the release and reset to "top dead center" stroke. It's especially pronounced during base / transition layers and the first couple dozen after.
By the way, on the resin pooling at the built plate edges, yeah definitely getting my money's worth out of a silicone spatula I keep next to the printer there. That said, most of the resins have pretty strong surface tension, so any kind light contact I make with the tank sides pulls resin off quicker. With that in mind, I might test notching my build plate edge / corner or adding a short thin wire barely sticking off the corner to act as a wick. Sanding to a steeper edge is logical, but the bare metal (vs paint) and sanding grooves will also increase the energy available to keep the surface tension holding the resin in place.
Love the handle, any plans on sharing the files to print it?
Sure! I am at 3D Printing Party Spain , but on Monday I’ll upload and share.
@@GeekDetourgracias!
@@GeekDetour Hope you had fun at the 3D Printing Party Spain, now that I’ve received a confirmation that the warehouse will receive the machines at the end of June, I’m looking forward to see your model for the handle ;)
Finalmente um avanço tecnologico que nao é resoluçao de tela. Acredito que finalmente valha o upgrade da Saturn 2 pra esse novo modelo ultra. Espero que comece a vender logo no aliexpress.
A Elegoo não vende pro Brasil direto do site deles?
Não 😢
How much does the open lid extend behind the unit?
You need 10cm extra behind the back of the unit.
@@GeekDetourthanks so much!
My pleasure!
hello sir could I get saturn 4 Ultra print setting sir
I just used the default settings from Chitubox.
What's the purpose of curing in a liquid? Is that water or IPA?
It’s water. I need to make a video about it. FormLabs has a paper about how the oxygen in the air makes the resin cure worse. That’s why very often the part is tacky even after it is cured. It’s because of oxygen.
@@GeekDetour Interesting! Thanks for that.
My pleasure! Search for the paper.
its almost perfect... could be a lil bit higher and also could have a heated vat ... im really excited to see the saturn 5 LOL i think the Form 4 printer added some nice features other companies will also use...
Yeah, today I took this Saturn 4 Ultra do the “3D Printer Party” Spain and indeed, some people really thought it’s a pity it doesn’t have a heating VAT solution. To me, adding the handle, made it perfect for me 😁 In the end, “perfect” is always subjective to what you do, how you use it.
Why cure in water?? Is it to stop warping?
I wish fixing warping would be so simple 🤣 No, I cure in water because it cures better - I will make a video about it soon.
@GeekDetour thanks for the reply. I must be overthinking things. Thought resin may heat up during final curing, causing warping, and you used water to keep the temperature down. Look forward to your video. Thanks again.
My bet its that in the Saturn Ultra 5 they are going to drop this tilt system. Like formlabs in 2014.
PFA exist since Saturn 2.
That holes can be reduced and almost eliminated using rest before print.
when was this video made,
the resin used expires on 07/23/2022
Uh… somebody really zooooomed in to check this little (and important) detail 🤣❤️👍 It’s true: I used resin that was expired 😬 Not by a little… by A LOT 🤣 The video was made around two months ago? Yeah, found it: 2:57 - next time I will blurry that 😜
It doesn't matter if the handle looks terrible or not (it doesnt), what matters is that you fixed a silly and simple flaw that was overlooked by Elegoo.
However, there is one big bonus to them not doing it for you, and that is you can now place one or more wherever you please that fits your needs. Because I can see just as many complaints about placement from consumers about where they put it.
Now if they only could do the same thing with the switches/antenna/ports/power connection, etc.
Ha ha ha, yeah! Maybe that’s the point: when you make a product for makers, a controversial item such as a handle, it’s design and where should it be located… maybe the best thing for a manufacturer is to keep the product as a blank canvas 🤣 People will proudly make it “their own”.
I pre ordered it yesterday...man 400 only for this?! My first SLA printer was the M5s which is kindadisappointing. Really hyped for the Ultra 4
It is really a lot of good stuff for 399
Where did you get the Drip bib
What you mean? It comes with the Saturn 4 ❤️
@@GeekDetour I was wanting something like that for my saturn 3. My wife always spills a little resing removing the plate. Thank You for a great video and a very quick response.
@@PaulSteel-oz6kq The Bib is a super nice idea, for all printers. Thanks for the kind words man!
the only way i've found to alleviate the bubble issue is to increase rest time before print
It is so funny: people that swear they never had the bubbles, and people that fought them a lot 😂 I’ll make another video about this thing, but I am glad to see I was not alone!
I would have mounted a strain relief piece on the rear of that handle.
Oh, I used big washers with the screws, for this reason.
Try not to shake the bottle like that but up and down and upside down ;) it will mix much better
Very good, I was curious about the upgrades compared to the Saturn 3. I hope the election starts selling soon in Brazil too kkkkkk
Elegoo doesn’t ship anything to Brazil directly?
@@GeekDetour Yes, they do ship, especially through Aliexpress, but they haven't opened Ultra 4 there. Who knows, maybe in the future, for now I'll be happy with my Saturn 3 ultra
Less height on Z, a lead screw instead of a ball screw. I would have run at this machine if it had the same build height as the 3 and a heated tank. I think they (mostly) missed the mark with this machine and I'm hoping the 5 will be better next year.
Oh, sure, the iPhone 16 will also be better than the current iPhone 15 (usually, hopefully). The Saturn 4 is an exciting machine because some changes are very welcomed (the lid, the latch-quick-release and printing without needing to adjust anything), all of that for a very accessible price. These are reasons enough for many people to get a newer printer. For people that are happy, lets say, with their Saturn 3, maybe it doesn't justify the upgrade.
6:14 _"[The camera] sees well in the dark"_ Uh? Other testers of the Saturn 4 Ultra out there have pointed out exactly the opposite: the camera is not IR, hence has no night mode ability, and indeed it cannot see in the dark at all. Someone even added an LED light strip inside the enclosure as a workaround!
I should have rephrased that, would be most accurate to say: “the Lid is super dark when you see from outside - even so, if there some light on the room, it’s enough for the camera to see well.” You are right: in complete darkness, there won’t be anything to see.
@@GeekDetour Ok. This makes me think: is it a good thing to light up the interior of the enclosure with white LEDs to record prints at night? I wonder if these LEDs, that emit in the visible spectrum, don't shine also some of their power in the UV spectrum - that would slowly cure the resin into the vat, if it's the case.
That’s an excellent point. Ideally, it should be an LED encapsulated in an UV blocking protection. I don’t know how much UV a white LED generates, if it is negligible or not. That’s for some research 🧐
Hy have ball screw ?
No. It has a normal trapezoidal LeadScrew with a brass nut. I don’t think that’s a big deal in this printer because the Build Plate doesn’t go Up and Down anymore. It just travels UP. The detaching movement is done by the VAT going down.
More reviews like this and less uncles presenting new products please!
Hi, thanks! Well, there is space for everything. I never print figures or cosplay - and there is a bunch of people who loves that.
@@GeekDetour Nothing wrong with cosplay or figurines and busts, but after two years in printing with resin I feel like there are more entertainers than engineers (or comedians than scientists) on the "resin side" of CZcams compared to the "FDM side" and it’s somewhat sad in my opinion.
On this I totally agree with you: Resin is very artistic oriented - FDM gets way more technical information and knowledge on CZcams. I try to entertain as much as possible, but what really attracts me to 3D Printing is the possibilities, the challenges, fixing issues we face in the process. But I am not an engineer 🤣
Man... I feel like I just bought my Saturn 8K and now I need to buy a new printer? Fine! Just... uh.. don't tell my wife! :D
I don't think the handle looks bad exactly, but I feel like a clear film on the outside of the lid would have worked just as well... maybe some helicopter tape or something similar?
The handle is a good idea. Shame you can't use a resin printed handle.
Oh, I totally could! But the heat-set Brass inserts work amazingly well, melted on plastic. Resin just get destroyed… you can find a few videos… on resin, the best you can do is gluing the inserts, but the strength is far from being the same. I didn’t want to fight it this time - I just wanted a handle that I know works… and I have a BUNCH of printers to choose! 😂
@@GeekDetourhey, couldn’t you print the threads directly in the resin? coming from SLS and FDM and looking for adding this one
Here is the problem I had: the resin is quite more brittle and it tends to turn into powder at friction. I tested a couple of times and it holds well at first… but if you need to unscrew and screw again, it starts losing the thread. It was with ABS Like Resin. I would need to test again with more “serious” resins (that cost 3x more).
@@GeekDetour Yes I guessed that could be the problem, but since it is a one time mounting I guessed it could work but again I have very little experience with resin, for now
Where did you get that drip bib??
The Drip Bib comes with the Saturn 4 and 4 Ultra.
@@GeekDetour I feel like a dummy, lol I looked it up after I messaged you 😂
🤣👍🫶
1:27 that flat side build plate holder is going to slip out from my fingers (gloves covered with resin) and crash the LCD sorry but I don't like it
Oh, I am holding it wrong. People are expected to put the fingers between the plates. I don’t like to hold that way, so I will probably add some notch to make it safe to hold the way I like 😁
Just waiting for the 16k saturn.
Why do you cure in liquid?
Was asking myself the same question
oh what a bummer that the build plate doesn't fit in the existing mercury x wash station!! great vid tho.
Yeah. Bummer 😢 It’s not clear to me if Elegoo has now a different cleaning station than the one I have. I need to check.
Yeah that sucks, it was so much cleaner removing the prints after flushing the plate in wash station. Hope they release updated bucket with wider top part, I wouldn't mind buying new bucket for the existing Mercury X to fit the new plate.
@@GeekDetour could go either way. The existing wash and cure are just fine, hopefully they just release a new bucket
Sure! A wider bucket would be enough. Actually I always wanted Elegoo to sell the bucket and/or the bucket lid apart because I think they eventually wear out and could leak.
@@GeekDetour they actually do sell a bucket, at least on Amazon. Not sure about which regions. I was wondering if would be too much trouble to ask the measurement of the unit when front to back then the door is open? It seems like the unit will need more desk space than before since the door needs rear clearance to open.
ive, never had those holes at the top, and i have the first elegoo mars.
Gran mejora añadir el asa.
¡Gracias! 🤗 Si! Se ha quedado bastante práctico! Sin remordimientos 🤣
Nice
Thanks! ❤️
That mod made since
That’s great 😁
Impressive. AI camera? Almost Space Age.
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