Fully automated 3D printing using REAL print beds!
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- čas přidán 29. 07. 2021
- Sure, there are solutions available that promise "automated" 3D printing - but they all fall short when they need to print particularly thin or warp-happy parts. So I set out to build a system that uses real magnetic beds and is able to automatically swap in a fresh one in after every print. And I'm happy to report that it works flawlessly!
Thanks to Boxomo Enclosures for sponsoring this video! Check them out at boxomoenclosures.com/
Some of the parts used:
Magnetic PEI beds from Energetic go.toms3d.org/EnergyPEI
Silicone heater go.toms3d.org/HotSilica
Geared stepper motor go.toms3d.org/NemaG
Salvaged bits from random cheap printers • Tom's reviews
Filaments used:
DAS FILAMENT B+ PETG go.toms3d.org/DAS
Prusament ASA (for the bed frames) go.toms3d.org/Prusament
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The way you handled your Sponsor in this video was perfect, placing them over the top of a non informational video section I didn't feel compelled to skip through the AD. Thank you, I've been wanting CZcamsrs to do this for ages, no one else gets it.
I agree!
"I like to make stuff" does it too, and i agree, it's just soo much better!
So…
Choice #1
tolerate the sponsor ad
Choice #2
Lose video content
Just instal the sponsorblock addon. It automatically skips them for you.
@@ironnoriboi Sorry I installed the GCB addon (Goofy Comments Blocker) I didn't see any of your comment. :P
I run a 3d printing business. We automate our FDM printers by simply using the textured PEI build plates from Prusa.
Print on them at 65 degrees, let them cool down to 30 degrees, then the parts are easy enough to knock off with the extruder/print-head. Works amazingly well.
Does that work for thin parts, too - and where do you prime the nozzle?
but you have to wait for it to cool down, with his method, he doesn't have to wait, just push it
@@MadeWithLayers Thin parts are probably fine if you have a bulldozer on the front of the hotend. And no real need to prime the nozzle. atleast I don't although you could use a catch bucket like sigmas
@@yvesinformel221 Yes absolutely. Toms method is much more elegant.
Ours is a more simple approach, but it’s works excellently for us.
I would think a fixed heated bed, but a print mill print surface that just rotates 180° after a print would work. Texture surface on them works, and you wouldn't have all the Y moments the mill has. A 300mm bed could only need 650 belt, with room for a conveyor or two.
"Please excuse the crudity of this model as I didn't have time to build it to scale or paint it." Ooookaaay Doc Brown! Now awaiting time machine.
I cannot point out enough: I like the wave of innovation that comes out of the community!!!! great video !!!
Also... Would it be called a "bed slinger"?_
We are very fortunate that, as of yet, the hobby hasn't been taken over by the by the mentality that let to the inkjet cartridge, and completely closed source manufactures.
@@thamghoul5719 FDM printing was patented in the 80s, we already lost many years of innovation before the patents expired.
@@Bastanien Interesting, I had no idea
@@Bastanien i, too, had no idea. i googled it like an hour ago, i really thought it was invented in like mid 2010s.
@@breezetix nope the patents started expiring in the mid 2000s and then reprap kicked off.
This is a great idea!
Excellent design for this prototype, seems pretty robust.
Coulld easily make it lower by modifing Vorons frame to reclaim the lost height - at the price of it being part of the printer.
86Duino Enjoy 3D Printer
The same concept design five years ago came from Taiwan
@@a728728728 The core xy printer type has been around for much longer than that, there are designs on thingieverse from 2014, for example.
Yeah its ingenious
When nerds go "Crocodile Dundee". "This is an endstop" 😂
Came here to comment on that. LOVE the geek reference :-) hehe
"That's not a bed swap system, THIS is a bed swap system" lol
VORLADERER 3.0!!
This is one of the best mods I've seen in a long time. Filament solution: 50kg spool and you'll be printing for weeks non-stop. The Belt-Belt®️ system is better than a drum because you're not limited to only 6 runs. Also the insertion/removal process is much simpler. Just fricking awesome.
WOAH! Thank you for making this one long juicy video. Most youtubers would milk such a project in a 4+ part series stretched over weeks. You rock :)
Instead of that peeling mechanism, look into using "switchable magnets" like a welding clamp.
I know right like those magnetic dial gauge thing
Security door electromagnets are cheap and extremely strong
Do I get the sense that there is a collective movement going on to see who can invent the most mind boggling printer add-on. Where will this end.
So listen to me. What if we mount the printer on a car... and it drops a bed on the asphalt, extends an arm with a printer head, controlling Y axis with forward/backward car movement with transmission controlled with arduino, and after finishing the print, it drives to a spot parallel to it and drops another bed?
A combination metal, and plastic printer that prints copies of its self.
Hopefully, it never will end :)... lucky us!
@@YourArmsGone I concur, until the micro-factory/makerspace can replicate itself we ain't done
It will end with the words "Computer, tea, Earl Grey, hot!"
I've been having this same idea for a couple years now. It's awesome to finally see something like this come to light! Good work as always!
So cool, Tom. I love this idea, and I can't wait to see more machines like this out in the wild!
I have no idea if this is a good idea, but this is an awesome realization of what 3D printing is good for and design iteration in general. More videos like this.
Absolutely a nice idea for “automatic “ printing on regular 3D printer!
@@ltribley Totally Agree Voron design team deserve credit!
This is one of the most awesome 3D printing videos I've ever seen! The idea of production printing with a Voron is exciting! Well done and thank you!
This is incredible. Can't wait to see what you (and hopefully others) do with this concept.
This is a cool project, but I have to say you missed it with this one. The Quinly system from 3DQue is a much more effective system for automated printing, and the guys at 3DQue would definitely work with you on getting a system built for the Voron. I HIGHLY HIGHLY recommend trying out the Quinly system if you haven't yet. I've yet to meet anyone that's used it that hasn't loved it. Not only that, you'd gain all that Z-height back with the quinly system. Their VAAPR print bed really is an amazing piece of technology.
Agree
Really excellent work, Tom!
You've started something important right here, Tom! Great work!
This might be my favorite video from your channel, Thomas. I loved watching the thinking, building, assembly... how it all came together. More build vids! Keep up the great work!
Wow! I think that was the Best build from scratch I have seen. This has been a great adventure to follow along with. Everything that you have done up to this point makes sense now. Very impressive. Thanks for bring us along. 👍👍
I really appreciated the sponsor section being a part of the build montage it really made the segment seamless!
TL;DR: Use cams to lift the print surface from the bed, they are powerful and compact
Consider the following idea: you have a magnetic printing surface just like one you already have, but a bit larger than the actual heated bed and with a RIGID frame (similar to your design). Then you have two camshafts running along the parallel edges of your bed (preferably the long edges) below the print surface level. Shafts rotate, cams engage the print surface frame from below and lift it from the bed, then you push the old print surface away using a new one coming from some magazine, like you already do. That would be a much more compact system, camshafts will take less space than this whole jack (awesome design but still) and you can use larger print surface and much more Z space.
Well he could also just use some small pneumatic cylinders like the mgpl12-10z on the sides. Would also easily fit inside the envelope of the printer and still be able to hold the entire bed. Just one on each corner. Would also be faster.
I guess there are a lot of options on how to do it. I mean he could also just keep his current design and just increase the extrusion length on his z-axis. That way he would still have the same z-travel.
@@nukularpictures Well, pneumatic cylinders are nice, fast and powerful, but you will need a whole pneumatic system with a compressor, small reciever, solenoids, etc. For cams you just add a motor or two (probably geared or with a belt reducer) and they are powered and controlled just like the other motors on your printer. But I like the idea of pneumatics, might as well use the system for berd-air style part cooling.
@@nukularpictures actually, my next suggestion was to use cams (or pneumatics, why not) to support and lift the actual rails which the "cartridges" are sliding on. Just locate these rails along the bed edges and below the "cartridge" frame.
The 8mm lead screws with some reduction are plenty powerful. He'd just need 3-4 short lead screws, and a belt reduction or larger gear ratio stepper.
@@martylawson1638 Actually, I just thought that just a couple of small servos with cams would be enough. They are already geared and should be powerful enough, you just have to lift one edge of the spring steel sheet so it detaches the bed (rigid frame will ensure that), then it should slide off the bed easily.
This is Great! I'm so glad there are always people in this community trying to innovate. Great Job on the Project!
This was fun and refreshing to watch a maker making a thing. I don't think I will add this to my list of things I'd like to make but I would enjoy watching further development of this machine. Good to see you playing in playful ways.
I always wanted this kind of automated system to hypercube 3d printer.
I'm really sad the tech2c seems to have disappeared, I hope they are okay
I am waiting to see your project
That would be really cool, only the hypercube has a moving bed.
Though, maybe the magnet release system can be placed at the lower Z limit, with the plate conveyor through the bottom of the machine.
And it's nice to see others with Hypercubes. I'm currently in the process of rebuilding mine, with linear rails for the Y-axis and an e3D direct drive extruder.
@@WyvernDotRed Would love to see the outcome of this change !
On hypercube it's even easier: lower the bed, lift the magnetic plate a but and pish it to the rear, slide a new one from the front.
Man, what a project! I just missed a ramp on the release side to make all of those parts out of the printer without a crash, because if you print larger and toller parts that could eventually happens.
Yeah, totally. Trivial to add, though 😅
Then it just needs a model train to pick them up and deliver them to the correct location :)
@@jg374
I think a swarm of flying robots might be better for this application ;P
You are truly a force of nature, knowledge and inspiration Tom. Thank you for the content and ideas! I’m very envious of your organization and workshop btw!
This is super cool! I’m glad to see some of your more advanced designs rather than just printer reviews and stuff
I'm still in awe at the speed of the Voron. I think I'll be dedicating one of my enders to make products just to raise the funds to build a Voron. So quiet too
Have you seen the new RatRig V-Core 3?
Great Project. Can't wait to see what people do with the design idea. Something tells me we can halve the height quickly for more usable Z space.
If the electronic was on the side like the side like the rat rig V3 then you could lift up the printer and reduce the height lost to almost zero
As it's a fully self constructed printer, it shouldn't be a problem to just use longer aluminium extrusions for a bigger height, right?
@@Netzleben yes but it's not only the aluminium extrusion you need to extend but also the belt and it doesn't make sense to have 500mm of height movement possible but only be able to use 300mm.
Don't really need to reduce the height of the bed changer system if you make the changer system the base. (Like if you mount the uprights to the top of the bed changer, and move the electronics elsewhere)
I've watched a lot of 3d print videos but boy this one sure was a joy to watch. keep up the great work young man, you are a joy to watch and learn from
The implementation of this prototype is super well done! Love the bed popoff mechanism super satisfying to watch.
A linear moving arm with a spring-loaded latch might bring down the height significantly. Maybe for inspiration, have a look how machine guns pull their ammunition belts forward.
Stratasys Continuous Build 3D printer: "Look what they need to mimic a fraction of our power."
Tom! This is an awesome prototype! I can’t count how many sketches I’ve drawn by hand on a plate switcher with magazines, thinking of interlocking framed glass plates and the mechanism pulling the plate off the bed causes the next plate to be pulled onto the heated bed and locked in place with magnets, but just didn’t like the idea of a 3d printed frame around the heated bed, and shelved it as a “maybe I’ll come back to it” project.
Glad to see you are once again showcasing to not be afraid to just try it and iterate on it!
Really nice project Tom! I loved how you were explaining your design choices and how you would improve upon it.
Really awesome project, well thought out and designed. Automated 3d printing is definitely something that has to be worked on in the future.
This is cool and all but the quinly upgrade by the 3dque guys works perfect for the ender and it's like 100 bucks... I have 5 running non stop in my basement right now and I'm literally at the beach right now starting more prints. As far as them not being able to remove thin parts I was removing ear savers that were like 2mm tall with no problem. Not sure what Tom's on about here...
I built my own custom unloading mechanism long before quinly was a thing qnd it works great I love it. I'm at work and my 4 printers are going nine stop. But I wanted to try out the vapor print surface they have with my unloading mechanism and they won't sell it separately... I dont need their whole system
@@nathantoews152 I ended up getting their diy kits which basically just comes with the bed, firmware and hardware and then you print your own parts. Way cheaper around 100 bucks. What kind of printers you using?
@@mills4545 well im using ender 3 printers. but at this point the only stock parts are the frame and motors. literally everything else is custom so i cant really call them ender 3's anymore. im having good luck unloading parts with the BIQU textured beds, but im always looking for the next best thing
The Quinly upgrade fpr Ender 3 costs 230$ not 100... thats a little difference, you literally spend as much on the printer as the upgrade, additionally you can't really do that with the Voron
@@AstralJaeger Nah the quinly DIY kit is 130 and they have 15 to 20% off sometimes. I got mine for right around 100 a piece and there isn't too many parts to print. I mean I literally don't even check my machines anymore and I now have 12 of them running nonstop. I cannot even explain how amazing it was to have a family vacation and come back to all of my parts ready to ship for our business. I do end up putting quite a few upgrades on my enders though so you're right it does start to add up.
This is what an engineer 'flex' looks like. Amazing work Tom, I hope to see more of this project.
The magazine idea is really good for print farms. No stop, just printing, love it!
Wow, that is amazing. Nice work! I'm curious as to your thoughts on the complexity of this solution versus a robotic arm that swaps out magnetic bed sheets?
Incredible project, Tom! You are the Tesla of 3D printer innovators 🤣. And I thought I was being clever by slicing all my parts at once to minimize back & forth time. Following this very closely to see what evolves! 👍👍
Incredible. You just blew my mind, can't believe how much work must've gone into this video.
Excellently creative way to swap beds automatically! Great proof of concept and great job with the video explaining the process.
This is an amazing solution, well done! Bugs me a little that the beds just drop. Needs some exit rails that put the beds on a conveyor where the prints get knocked off and the bed gets deposited back in the stack to be printed on again.
Won’t work seamlessly, until you can control the prints adhesion on the bed for every print. Sometimes there will be prints that stick too good
Hot take: Just print on a conveyer belt itself. Those printers already exist. This...this is just wasteful tbh. I don't get it.
Tom going the Ivan way ...🤣
But in blue.
Nice proof of concept Tom. The design process lend its way to scalability. Very nice work.
This is so cool, dude! I love the potential for highly automated printing with this concept.
Or, even better, you can use cams to support and lift the actual rails which the "cartridges" are sliding on. Just locate these rails along the bed edges and below the "cartridge" frame. Even more compact.
I've been thinking of using an arm that will extend and will push the prints out of the bed automatically.
I had the same thought. Kinda like a large paint scraper that pushes the prints into a basket or something.
@@johnbickford9221 yess exactly. It would be much simpler. You just need linear motor and some simple design.
@@imranzosh97 You could even do it with a threaded rod a linear bearing and a stepper motor.
I am so envious! That project had to be a lot of fun to design and build. It reminds me a little bit of an overhead press feed line.
Congrats on having a sponsor in your video that's actually relevant to me.
That's something Google hasn't managed in 20 years of showing ads up my face xD
Automated bed swap system... Let me introduce you to Mosaic Array.
woooooo!
I would use electro magnets so you could just cut off electricity and the bed would release
Maybe use permanent magnets to stick the beds. For release use electro magnets that works "against" the permanent magnets.
Pros: no power to hold the bed, "failsafe", ...
Cons: electro magnets must match the holding force of the permanet magnets, maybe closed loop control and hall sensors needed,..
Electromagnets would be very energy intensive as you'd have to have them on during the entire print. I think your idea is a good one, perhaps using Electro-permanent magnets instead.
This is awesome, innovative, and motivating!! I’m sure this will inspire many people to work on their own printer designs. You rock
Tom! This is pretty awesome! Love the high torque system with the drylin, crazy smart! And that montage *chefs kiss*
Curious if you have used the 3DQue product or seen it work in person. I can tell you that it doesn't RAM parts off the bed as was mentioned. The VAAPR bed surface is simply amazing at holding parts as they print and releases the print very gently after it has cooled. The Quinly automation software can save makers time by not having to interact with the process. Maybe next time try something first hand before making off handed comments.
There are solutions that do ram the parts with the toolhead. For the 3DQue, they said they'd send me one (a couple months ago), but I never got one.
"this simplified, practicalized version"
Ya know... 3dQue is more simple. It has Quinly software to provide the automation of individual g-code files. It has reduced part count to enable automation. It is more practical, because you don't have beds and parts falling together, and you don't have to reload a "bed magazine".... Oh, and you don't sacrifice any build volume.
I really think you over engineered this. I'm an engineer. I've been there. I recognize it. You got carried away with your idea, and because you have the time and money you never stopped to consider it from a point of view of practicality due to confirmation bias.
You should go back and actually research how Quinly automation works.
well stated !
3DQue build plate has pros and cons. Looking at the cons, it looks like 3dQue does not auto-eject nylons well, and the angled bed may not be great for high speed printing (bed moving up the incline vs. down the incline or in a corexy the printhead making the same moves up and down the incline).
@@SD-bv7eb didn't realize we were talking about nylon printing all of a sudden?
Do you guys think Tom knows he's one of the most creative and incredibly precise engineer on CZcams? I don't think he's knows he's that good.
Genius showing the ad roll at the same time as the build montage. Really good idea!
Absolute genius. Please carry on developing this idea
This was a fantastic video Tom, what a great project! More of this please!
Amazing project, Tom! The conversation on the podcast a few months ago about continuous printing made me assume you'd just go with a belt. But what you've dreamed up instead is next level! 🤯
Awsome prpject, as an engineer I always appreciate contents like this! Keep working on it, it is a very interesting idea and I look forward to see the second iteration!
I was thinking this channel was getting a bit dry, but this episode puts it back on track. Thank you for sharing, a wonderful build.
Awesome solution!. By far the best solution i have seen for production run printing.
WOW, i don't know how you do this, but you keep suprising me with so cool Projects that i want to build for Years that i cann't be more happy with the Content that you kepp and keep making!
A HUGE thanks for that!
Content Creator Nr. 1! 👍
man this is stupidly awesome. Would LOVE to see more videos on your design/iteration process to reach that final solution. Also how you design and test the parts. Incredible job, keep it up!
Not only is this technically impressive, but it's potentially very useful and it also looks like you had fun doing it! Very cool video.
BRILLIANT idea, and a very impressive prototype!
That's awesome! Kudos to you for supporting printers like Voron
This is really something else, well done. It was cool to see your manufacturing process as well
Great Job! Happy to see this sort of innovation. It has me eyeing one of my older machines now for this type of upgrade.
1:50 I knew you were good, but the aggressiveness of this plan surpassed all my expectations. Nicely done.
Very cool man! I look forward to seeing the next version with the full size printbed.
This is my favorite Sanladerer video this year. Thanks!
It is surprising how minds sometimes have similar thoughts. When you first described the goal, my thoughts were of a treadmill bed made with a revolving flexible magnetic PEI coated print surface. As a part finishes printing, the bed would advance to the next clean surface. As parts rounded the end of the treadmill the radius would break them loose from the bed and into the collection bin they would go.
Cleaning the print surface for the next job may present another problem in need of a solution, but if the goal is to just keep the printer busy overnight, or for longer periods, just make the treadmill long enough so there is enough clean surface to last as long as needed!
Then when you introduced your stack of individual print surfaces my thoughts jumped to the need for a magazine to feed them, and that's just what you came up with!
It’s refreshing to learn from an engineer that subtlety shows how the world is but only as a canvas for showing how the world could be.. Thank you for painting that picture.
I wish I could fast forward a year or so see the designs that descend from this very nice prototype.
I am in awe with your work here Mr Sanladerer, excellent work. Thank you for making this video, it's got me so inspired, so much so I am away to plan my own Voron build and plate change system.
Kind Regards,
Fellow Engineer, 3D printing Enthusiast and Inventor.
I just built a double tall version of this printer. This addition is calling my name. I could see this being a lot of fun!
That's a fantastic project!! Really well done! So much more interesting than belt printers. Can't wait to see how this evolves!
Great proof of concept. The refinement process and spinoffs should be fun to watch!
This is really cool! I can really see this concept become a commercial product within a year or two in the fast moving 3dp industry.
Brilliant! I've previously contemplated going the 'chain of beds' route, still might - but what you've actually inspired me to do is get busy with the Creality CR-30 'belt only' that just arrived in the post - your build gives off just the right energy :)
Thomas, very nicely done prototype and your skills at putting together video content continues to be the best. It makes watching your work and videos very enjoyable. I am in the process of sourcing parts to build a Voron 2.4. Not because I need one, I enjoy building. Your videos add to this process. Thank you!
This is really cool Thomas, Kudos to you brother!
Nice work Tom. One of your best vids for sure.
This is an awesome prototype, thanks for putting it out there.
Excellent idea and execution, Thomas!
Interesting idea!
And I must side with others here: truly great way of presenting your sponsor, wish everyone do it this way
Looking forward to v2!!!! Love the latching mechanism
Wow, never thought of a pallet based system like that! Always fascinating to see 3D printers be used to create functional machinery, one of its greatest selling points in my opinion.
You‘ve got to love the precise amount of overengineering :) Well done / Gut gemacht!
absolutely GENIUS work here. Next level.
Great! Can wait for the slimmer version! Really looking forward to make one for my 350mm build
That’s an awesome project, well done Tom!
This is going to increase productivity so much!!! I love the idea and it worked great for a first iteration.
Not something that's practical for everyone but I do really enjoy seeing creativity in action. Thank for the video. This is how the hobby moves forward.
wow! This is super cool! nice one Tom!