What Did You Expect? An Owner's Perspective Driving The INEOS Grenadier On Road
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- čas přidán 8. 03. 2024
- After 1,000 miles on the Grenadier we have a good idea how it performs on road, what we like and what could be improved. The Grenadier is not designed like most modern vehicles and doesn't drive like them either, but what does it feel like?
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Very interesting video, but I don't think we'll be getting one. We'll just ride in yours. (We're his in-laws)
Haha, love this comment.
Ditto that was great!
Man, that was cold. And you’re his in-laws?
Finally a proper review. Thanks man
Thanks for the good vibes! Also thanks for checking out the channel and we are glad you liked it.
Good honest review. Glad you are enjoying it. I now have 10,000 kilometres on mine and loving it.
Thanks for dropping by and taking the time to comment. It is a vehicle with character for sure!
10,000 miles in mine and also loving mine...mostly on road.
I have got my Grenadier since 5 week now and I absolutely love it. Your review has nailed it 100 %. If you know what you let yourself into, when you get a Grenadier, than you will not be disappointed. If you have no connection to offroading and simply buy this car as a successor to your BMW X5 or similar you will most probably not be happy. I think their slogan is right... it's build on purpose and if you buy it with this purpose in mind there aren't too many alternative car around which will outperform the Grenadier. Best wishes from Germany!
Enjoy your travels!
Incredible video! Coming from a gladiator I think I will be fine with the grenadier! Keep the videos coming. Best channel by far on the Ineos!
Thanks for the kind words and checking out the channel. Ya I think you will be right at home in the Grenadier coming out of a Gladiator. Or maybe the Quartermaster!
I have about 2,500 miles on my Grenadier -- just west of you in Iowa. I love it. Couple comments. My previous main vehicle was a F-150 crew cab... so, I think the turning radius on the Grenadier is fantastic! The steering does take a bit of getting used to. Seems to me that you need to resist over-correction when driving on a hard surface. No complaints about that, however. Great vehicle!
Awesome, it is not all black by the way is it? Both Camera Lady and I are originally form Iowa! Thanks for checking it out and taking the time to comment-Have you been able to do any good offroading in it yet?
@dickinaroundoutdoors8609 I'd love to find some good off road trails... better yet a good group tail ride event
@@billgreenley4013 Would be very fun. I think Knauz (did you purchase here in Chicago?) is trying to set something up for May. We are hoping to be back for it as we are heading to Baja in April into May.
This review is really a realistic opinion with much thought put into how the compare and relate corner questions around the vehicle. I appreciate the references to other vehicles and the realistic nature of comparison. Not unrealistic expectations and opinions based on 2 hours of experience, great to see and hear.
I have driven classic Land Rover Defender (long wheel base with short cabin) a couple of times on tarmac, and can imagine how this drives. Must be a really fun vehicle to manhandle around town, more like a driving challenge compared to easy passenger vehicles. There is a certain beauty in operating these types of vehicles, a very specific experience.
Best review on the internet. Great job !!!!!
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Good insightful review from someone who understands the driving characteristics of vehicles with solid axles front and rear. Thank you.
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Thanks for the review, I've had mine (well a loan Grenadier while my yet to be delivered vehicle has the air conditioning rectified) for a week now and just can't wait to get into it. Things I love- the absolute solid feeling the vehicle gives you, friends that have driven it say the only thing missing is a machine gun! as they said it feels built for war. (go figure) It out handles my 200 series Landcruiser by a long margin. We have in Australia the 70 series Landcruiser and while it has some similarities the quality of build I feel is superior, the steering is slightly heavier but the parking experience is the same. While on that I must say if those in the city want to buy this for the wife to do the shopping and drop the kids to soccer on a weekend you'll be getting asked to trade it in for something more akin to the new Defender. This, as you have touched on is a vehicle you have to drive, it requires driver input, one of the reasons why I went for the Grenadier instead if the 300 series Toyota. It's definitely not for the masses , it was never intended to be.
It definitely is built to a specific focus (just like the Jeep Wrangler) and that focus is not urban landscapes! It will work but other vehicles work better I think.
@dickinaroundoutdoors8609 what vehicles do you think do? And to what purpose?
@@mikefoster7085 If I were purchasing a vehicle with the primary purpose of driving in urban environments (ie, roads, towns, malls, perhaps long distance highway) personally I would probably buy a Mazda. But for more panache and luxury brands like BMW, Jaguar, the new Defender, Porsche etc would be more on road comfortable and have more amenities in my opinion.
Good review, addressed the concerns in a no nonsense way especially on road steering , Thanks
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Great review
Extremely helpful thanks
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I know of some companies is Australia that makes a coil over stearing stabelisor. Might be a good upgrade to have. I am used to sand driving in Africa and that would make a difrance in the amount of work you have to do straightening it out.
I just did some stretches of sand in ours down in Baja and there was some back and forth squirming but overall I was amazed at the Grenadier's performance in the sand, it was a joy to drive.
The Grenadier is a constant all wheel four-wheel drive. This stearing wheel alignment is centred on level ground. Any stearing correction is due to the road camber which is normal for this type of vehicle.
Thanks for the insight and for checking out the channel!
Great review, I got my Grenadier about two weeks ago, and agree 100% with what was said. Coming from an Audi RS5, this was a big adjustment but after two weeks and 1 roadtrip, I feel right at home and very comfortable - just have to learn its quirks and adjust accordingly - much better on road than I anticipated just based on all the nits I was reading before hand
Yep, that is a big difference between vehicles! It really seems to be a bigger issue for reviewers who got to drive it for a wee bit of time and had to compare it to all the other cars they review for their audience, but not for the enthusiast that knows what to expect. Thanks for checking out the channel!
Nicely done, sir! I think it all of the points perfectly. I’m not familiar with this type of vehicle, but it darn sure looks nice to me!
I can 100% agree. I only have mine for a week and love driving it. If you are used to older vehicles it’s finally fun again. And your comment on the “arm rest” is spot on; I drive the same way. I guess because we grew up shifting.
It does have its appeal for sure!
Great video. I really enjoy your terminology. I drive a Wrangler "around the town." My husband thinks I should get a Subaru like all my friends have, but I'm sticking with the Wrangler. He can get a Subaru.
Nice review, and I understand your perspective on it. Thanks!
Thanks for checking us out
I test drove one. Seemed fine to me.
I think your review is honest and accurate. In my case the speed warning tattletale does not always reactivate after restarting the car. It is incredibly annoying as it activates even if you over the speed limit by 1 MPH.
I love mine, and I've driven and owned many Land Rovers, Jeeps, Toyotas, Porsche's,
I've completely modified the interior. Rear seat delete, built a fridge cave/storage unit. Added roof rack, 270 Bush Company awning, MaxTrax, Dual Fuel can carrier,
People compare it to the Older Defenders. And in looks I'd agree, but in no way does it handle or feel like the Older Land Rover
You are way ahead of me in the build, in fact we are prepping for a pretty long trip at the moment and everything is still going to be removable as we determine how we want to build it out. I am still awaiting my factory roof rack so sorting out maxtrax (bag in truck) and strapping a fuel bladder to the ladder at the moment. I will put out a video of the prep.
Built On Purpose for sure!
Best objective review. Thank you for it.
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Have a great weekend
You too!
Great review. Just to delivery today and Enjoyed your commentary And insight
Thanks for dropping by and enjoy the new toy!
A very astute and on point review. Nicely done. Subbed. Looking forward to your experience with the Grenadier
The point about sight lines both fore and sides is also very true. I’m 6’ and I also have to stoop/ slouch a bit because the top of the window line is right at eye line. Against a matter of getting used to and not a deal breaker
Very nice review Dick. You hit the nail on the head with the "built on purpose" comment. It is not a vehicle for everyone, and that, precisely, is why I like mine. It does what I thought it would do and better than the competition.
I appreciate you dropping by and taking time to comment. Enjoy your Grenadier! We have an awesome trip planned for end of next month so stay tuned for that.
Test drove one over the weekend. Great build quality. Lots of space. Found the seats comfortable. Currently driving a 2018 Land Cruiser and I found the steering really disturbing and disconnected.
I suppose you could get used to it. I had a 1995 Defender and don't remember the steering being so vague. I think if they could sharpen up that steering they'd have a real winner here.
We just finished a long trip, didn't end the way we expected (upcoming video) but unless we had some brutal wind coming from the side the steering was really a non-issue. Could it be better, absolutely and I don;'t know if they traded robustness for vagueness or if they could meet their durability goals and improve the steering on center feel.
Awesome review. Smart!
Thanks and thanks for checking out the channel.
Looks like a pretty nice vehicle to me. Thanks for the video brother
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Thank You for a great Video. As a JLUXR owner I think this will be my next purchase.
They are different beasts from the JLU for sure but so similar in many ways. Be sure to check out my upcoming video on off-road thoughts!
Great video. Sounds like a Jeep Wrangler where it's a purpose built vehicle and you should expect ride and features accordingly. Looking forward to some videos that showcase the Grenadier's purpose built features for overlanding and off road adventures.
It is very much like a heavier, less basic Wrangler for sure. We are prepping now for the Baja trip so stay tuned!
Gosh you cover off on a lot of technical specs in your test drive - turning circles, etc. Great to see the practical stuff being canvassed. An Australian gent has had his Grenadier for 12,000 miles and complains about the lack of a service network there as well as electrical diff lock issues and faulty door seals. I hope you can be a proactive consumer to lobby for a service dealer in Kansas soon - it wouldn't be much fun having to wait several weeks for spare parts from Europe.
Yep, I hear you on the service issues. We have a trip planned for April-May (stay tuned) to a country that has no current dealers or service that I am aware of so fingers are crossed! I do hope they can get linked up with an independent network or increase their dealers soon as it would be most reassuring to a lot of folks.
Excellent video and hello from Puerto Rico 🇵🇷 ❤
Thanks so much. This would be a great vehicle to roll into Rincon and hang out by the beach for a bit!
I have one and love it so far! I plan on taking it for an alignment and increase the caster to help the steering. I’m looking at the eibach new pro lift and a little bigger tires probably 34” after that I’ll do the alignment
I am very tempted to do the same but I might have used my first mover pin simply on buying the Grenadier! I am going to give it a bit to see what I think of the stock settings and see how it does on our trip in a month. I would be very curious as to the impact on performance and mileage with such a change as the one thing the Grenadier does lack is range, I have yet to get 300 miles from a tank.
Great review!
Thanks for the nice comment and for checking out the channel. Our Off Road review is coming out this Saturday FYI.
This seems like an honest review.
I am glad you think so as I strive to make them objective. Thanks for checking out the channel.
good review
Thank you and thanks for dropping by the channel.
A most sensible review, all the simple things that individuals want... My Grenadier has already given us 10,000 K of great adventures so ... ours in Scottish white - It gets a bit dusty, but we think our truck likes to be used. It's a bit quirky, we like that and we like dickin' around as well...
Awesome to hear that the truck is doing what it loves for folks that love doing it. We have a pretty big trip planned for later next month so the prep work is starting for that. Thanks for checking us out and keep Dickin' Around!
@@dickinaroundoutdoors8609 Out Grenadier is packed up for a cross-Australia trip. It's only 4500ish K each way, and the joy is that there are several ways to do it. We cross the tarmac a bit - sometimes turning left and sometimes right. The kangaroos and emu always wave as we pass. Now at 15000k, our diesel mileage has been averaging just a click under 11/100...our speed, the sweet spot, seems to be about 106kph. We have no rack on the roof; that helps, I think.
Also, I noted, having driven a lot at night, how spectacular the standard headlights are - so good that I have not often switched on the extra two in the grill. I gifted myself some geewhizz extra lights; those are still in their box! Yes - we love our Grenadier.
@@jmpersonal2402we just arrived in Mexico for the Mexican 1000 off road race. Although our class (street legal) is not competitive we will still be doing the 1000 miles criss crossing the Baja Peninsula-gotta test the Grenadier somehow!
Fantastic video! I’m really wanting to drive one of these.
Have you done a full walkthrough video of it?
I have not really done a walkthrough video of the Grenadier as it has had a lot of press on that. Would you like to see one?
Great points made, and I can appreciate that. Does one need this is the real question? Is it too much tech? Does it cost too much (yes). Honestly, just give me an old Ford High Boy and I am more happy than anyone. Certainly an expensive rig, and nice. Don't really care for the snorkel, I mean,...why really? ( I know what it is for) I will say I am happy for you, and this machine is pretty cool. God Bless!
Hey Paulie-does one need is always the question! We intend to find out about the tech over time but I agree that there are a lot of solid choices out there-heck I cannot get rid of my Raptor even with this as I enjoy it so much! Between you and me I would not have ordered the snorkel individually but it was part of the package.
I’ve had mine since June 24, I sold a 2018 G wagon (W463) for it .
I gotta tell you it’s a way car than G wagon . Steering is way better, ride is light years ahead . The engine is smoother and quicker . The paint and body quality is brilliant .oh and the price well under half the price . Did I say it’s built by robots not
Archaic humans like the g wagon .
I think it’ll last for years . Well done Sir Jim 👍👏
That is very interesting to hear as I have never ridden in a G Wagon. Sounds like you are very happy with the switch. Thanks for checking out the channel and the great comment.
Nice lookin rig y'all got there!! J & C
Still doesn't have a kitchen or a heater like yours!
The Grenadier seems nice! A very in-depth review. It's definitely a weird layout inside to shoulder check or to see out as the passenger. Hope youre happy for the long term! No electronic bogeyman.... lol, isnt that a truth.
Time will tell but so far we are fans. We have a trip on the books for later next month that should be a good test so we shall see!
Gr8 review sir. Jesus bless ya from a brother from downunder 🦘🇦🇺💒🤠👍
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Great review I'm subbing because you said "littler " no joke
Hahah thanks for checking us out and the sub!
You can get a suspension lift kit that also increases negative castor, which helps the auto centering of the wheel.
Yes I am waiting to see what/who comes out with them and have been making some inquiries. At the moment I am happy to see how the vehicle does in stock form and have a bigger trip planned for next month so stay tuned!
Last two mercedes i owned had speed warning, and I’m sure my defender has it too but it never bothered me. If anything I like the reminder beep. Although I’d much prefer a gentle single beep over three clicking
I think it is the constant clicking in town that has the most frustration factor. Thanks for checking out the channel.
I have not had the pleasure of driving an Ineos yet....but looking from the outside in my guess is there is a suspension alignment issue (not enough positive caster) to avoid front pinion angle vibrations issues at highway speeds. The bad part for Ineos is the first major accident that is caused by the steering not returning to center like EVERY other sold will likely be the start of expensive lawsuits. The steering and alignment issues are very easy fixes.
I have had no real vibration issues outside of what I would expect from less isolating mounts on engine and bushings in the suspension. There is a lot of castor talk and I will delve into that more deeply with the service department.
I wonder how sensitive to steering wheel center that steering box is? If you go for an alignment and put the line on the wheel straight up I wonder if it makes a difference. On my test drive I thought it was fine. Also, I think a big part of the turning radius issue is that the wheels are way further forward relative to the front the vehicle than on most cars. If you are used to that, great, but if not, the “timing” of when to start turning takes some getting used to.
I am not concerned about the steering wheel as it really is a simple fix, I had to adjust my Jeep's while on a trip to Tuktoyaktuk a couple of years back. I also drive an F150 so the steering radius is not terrible, but as you say just something to get used to in this vehicle. Thanks for dropping by the channel.
I reckon that although the steering might not be an actual issue to drive with, it will introduce more driver fatigue as having to essentially manually re-centre it after turning instead of (keeping your hands on) and letting it slide back around to centre is extra work and effort. I suspect it’s a tiring vehicle to drive when doing lots and lots of cornering off or on road.
I also suspect the on road steering handling will also introduce extra fatigue.
And I know the RHD versions suffer from an insufferable lump in the footwell that many have said is a deal breaker ever after 1000km of driving it.
We will see as we have a long trip coming up in a month. So far I have not noticed any significant issue with fatigue. Thanks for dropping by the channel!
Interestingly, I have an old Landrover Safari and the steering is actually the same. I'm assuming that like mine, there is a steering damper on the linkages, which off road helps prevent the steering wheel from spinning out of your hands, breaking both thumbs (if you're driving that way) if you hit a rock with one front wheel. It also helps keep the vehicle going in a straight line on the highway. Yes, you do have to keep adjusting the steering going down the road, but that's the nature of the beast. You want a tough vehicle that can pull a truck, go off road and you can throw almost anything in the back? Just be glad that the Ineos has power steering, unlike mine. Oh and regards turning circle? Ha! mine is 48 feet. Try that in a small space...
Hahaha, yes I am thankful for power steering in the INEOS! You are correct that there is a damper installed in the linkage just as there is with the Jeep Wrangler and they are very similar.
Steering issue seems like a miner caster and alignment fix. Hopefully, the dealer helps you out. The B piller on the sight lines looks like it could be an annoyance. Otherwise great review, i plan on test driving one when i can.
I am taking it on a few thousand mile trip next week with lots of both on and off-road driving. I will see about the alignment when I return, or probably just wait until it goes in for the first oil change.
Thanks for taking the time to watch and comment!
Have you tried putting the transfer case in a neutral position? I say this because I was hoping to flat tow one behind my motor home like I do with my Jeep! Difficult getting answers from INEOS. Good video thanks
I have not, that is done underneath the vehicle with a bolt on the t-case, there is no neutral from the transfer case lever.. That is one for INEOS I think as the owners manual references towing but doesn’t give any further guidance.
nice car INEOS Grenadiers!!!!!!!!!🚙🚙🚙🚙🚙🚙
We are pretty fond of it!
Really good review. As an Australian owner I been bewildered by the US reviews finding the steering vague and needing constant correction. This simply hasn’t been my experience but then I happened upon czcams.com/video/OiQ7E7a8Gds/video.htmlsi=YguXqc4R0yiBIdBl where the owner found zero degrees caster angle. He put it into spec at 2 degrees and it made a huge difference. I don’t know what your dealers are like but things like that (and your off-center steering wheel) would not normally get past the dealers pre-delivery inspection here.
Now, the one thing you got completely wrong is the visibility! You have the safari windows, just stick your head up through that and there’s uninterrupted 360 degree visibility.😅😅😅
I have seen a video about adjusting the caster and the improvement so I will ask about that when I take it in for the reinstallation of the tow package. I will mention the Safari Windows to Camera Lady, I expect with the right goggles she won't mind navigating from up there!
You can program that button on you favorites
For sure and that was done before we left the dealership. Just having to turn it off as part of your pre-flight checklist is what annoys so many people.
Yes, the best vehicles for those switchback turns (going down the trail) is a short-wheelbase 4x4 such as 2-door Wrangler or similar. I have a Gladiator myself and must admit I'd be a bit intimidated on that particular pass. I think I'll "pass" (!) on driving Black Bear, thank you!
-- BR
It was an awesome trail and I am still debating when/if I take the Grenadier on it but you are absolutely right-the two door Wrangler/Bronco are the top choices for the tight twisties!
Is that colour shale blue or britannia blue on the grenadier?
It is Shale Blue with the Inky Black top
The outer seat bolster is not likely to last long due to climbing out which basically means sliding out over it. This will soon cause extreme wear as it is crushed and slid over, again and again.
I concur and actually mentioned that to Camera Lady recently. We do have some seat covers ordered and expect that will help a bit.
Ordered an eldoret blue with the white roof
That is an awesome color combination!
Went with the trialmaster! I’ve had numerous vehicles: defender, 392 rubicon and 4Runners. The fact Magna helped with the manufacturing, sold me.
@@willito1211 I think the 392 Wrangler is an awesome vehicle but I kind of imagine it like a late 60's muscle car where the motor can really overpower the chassis but I don't know since I have never driven one. The Grenadier seems a very solid balance of motor and chassis, maybe even more chassis than motor!
The crown in the middle of the road likely would account for the slightly off center setting with the steering wheel….
If it were only that way from time to time I would agree, but it is like that on every road so I am thinking the drag link just needs to be adjusted a bit. Great idea and thanks for commenting!
so the dead spot in the steering is why it feels like drifting a bit side to side on the highway? I keep thinking if a cop gets behind me he is going to think im drunk..lol
Hahah-won't it be a surprise if they pull you over! Thanks for dropping by.
Steering re-centering is not a modern characteristic. It has been present on most vehicles, including those with recirculating ball and nut systems such as that fitted to Grenadier. Is the number of turns of the steering wheel from lock to lock to compensate for a weak hydraulic assist system? Certainly the very poor lock is due to the farm tractor-type front axle, which isn’t an issue on a tractor because they have independent left and right brakes to assist the steering in the field. This is already a dinosaur of a vehicle. A pre-historic design.
Compare the steering and specifically the steering lock of this compared to, say, a Ford Ranger which has about 12 inches longer wheelbase and length but turns in 36 inches less of a circle.
Don’t get me wrong though, as a farmer it would be a contender in its pickup form. However what would it do that the Ranger or F150 cannot?
I think it being a bit prehistoric is one of the reasons people who like it consider. I have had and now have an F150 Raptor and cannot say enough good things about it but this seemed to me a vehicle for the longer overland travel. Maybe I am right, maybe I am wrong and time will tell but certainly going to test my theory to the best of my abilities! Thanks for the comment.
Any good points? Only watched the first 13.5 minutes and laundry list of compromises
Depending on how you look at it all vehicles are compromised, my sports cars are not comfortable for long term travel and suffer from tramlining but are amazing on a road course. It should be expected that a vehicle focused on long term travel in inhospitable places would also be compromised in certain areas.
Is it reliable ?
Time will tell. At 3000 miles only issues have been some dash lights lighting which is a known issue and they have always cleared themselves.
in which angle is this guy - light? He could be lighter for sure. Perhaps that's the reason the seat digs.
Light/heavy petite or a linebacker the vehicle design might work better for some than others.
Those steering issues are major, and not just because it would make a lengthy drive, arduous. I'd much rather buy a G-Wagon AMG with 60k miles on it for the same price as the Grenadier new.
I will see as we have an upcoming trip that will cover a few thousand miles. I guess as they say one person's meat is another's poison. Thanks for checking out the channel and taking time to comment.
Just think if you had to drive a 5-speed transmission! I had to drive a 6x6 Deuce and a half in the Army.
My Jeep Wrangler is a 6-speed, not quite as much of a handful as the 6X6 though!
Lack of caster is more than likely why you don't have return to center and the vague feel at speed going straight.
That issue has become a hot topic for the Grenadier and I expect i will have them check it when I go to the dealer next.
OMG, a car you have to actually drive!
Hahaha
Did you ever find out if it was bad gas?
Still waiting to find out.
Sounds like power manual steering! Makes you want to refurbish old SUVs!
I will take a my old CJ-7 back if you find it, or an old Power Wagon!
With latest software update you can turn off the speed nanny permanently, and don't have to repeatedly use a favorite.
I hope you are correct, I have seen conflicting information on this point.
I have heard that the software update is coming but not yet here.
@@j.d.crouch6899
Not here yet. This is the worst nanny ever installed!
I will never own one probably unless the resale value tanks! Too bad they never imported those Romanian Arco's in 2000. Almost the same machine for a lot less!
Price aside great truck so far and for sure-there are some trucks not imported into the US that a lot of folks would love!
Gosh, even my old 2009 Defender has steering that self-centres. Live axles don't have to be that way.
Think you'll find that the speed warning is a legal requirement in the EU and can't be disabled.
Yes, my Jeep self centers as well so it is not inherent in the design, you are right. Although it is not really bothersome after a few miles I suspect they are looking into a modification given the airtime this topic gets.
People expect body frame truck to handle like unibody suv with street tuned suspension? Surely, people can’t be that dumb.
If grenadier is just as or more comfy than f150 or wrangler, that’s a win for me
I think most people have never driven one so don't really know. I think it rides as well/better than the JKU (AEV supension) but not as well as my 2010 Raptor (which rides smoother than a standard F150)
It is not a matter "modern steering" it is recirculating ball steering, like a Humvee and not rack and pinion...
I stand corrected in my vernacular, it is an older design that has been replaced, for the most part, in modern light vehicles. Jeep is another example that uses recirculating ball in the Wrangler.
I think your assessment of two types of drivers shows a bit of bias here. It seems you either drive Jeeps and are used to it, or you're a mall crawler. I would say the Grenadier steering is uncomfortably vague for someone who has driven, for example, a lifted 4Runner, F150 Tremor, or a variety of other offroad vehicles that are not solid front axle/recirculating ball. I appreciate the review, but it just seems you are thinking there are only two camps. Note that I'm saying this as a new Grenadier owner who is definitely not accustomed to what we're optimistically calling "steering" over 70mph, but who wants it for offroading. I'm hoping I will get used to it, but the 6 hour drive to Moab is daunting right now.
I am sorry that it came off that way as that was not my intention to put people in camps. What I was trying to say is that this will be familiar to folks who have driven solid axle 4x4s, which definitely drive differently. If someone is buying the Grenadier because it is the newest shiny thing and plan to use it for urban driving (but have not driven solid axles) they may be disappointed relative to what they are used to and what the alternatives on the market are. I have said the same thing about the Wrangler as well, simply that there are better daily driving vehicles (in my opinion of course) for people that do not go off-road. One thing that I do when driving the Wrangler on highway is stick to the speed limit and enjoy the scenery more (especially in really windy conditions which will impact the Grenadier as well) and we have done some really long trips (check out our drive to Tuktoyaktuk series of videos!)
Thanks for taking the time to watch and comment and I hope you have a fantastic time in Moab, it is a magical place. For reference the longest drive I have taken to date in the
Grenadier is 3.5 hours and it was no problem, but for sure more active than in my F150 Raptor. We are about to do a longer trip which will cover several thousand miles of both highway and dirt so we shall see!
You can just watch and see how much play is in the steering wheel when he’s driving and it’s even worse then a jeep😅 (yes they look good) but they definitely are not worth the price, because the interior is cheaper then a modern day Honda civic. Also the off road capability is highly handicapped by the fact that it has very VERY little articulation which also makes it very sketchy to actually OFFROAD. Driving on dirt roads or gravel roads is not “off-roading”😅 when the price of something like this can get you something like a Bronco Raptor I’m not sure where people see the value🤷♂️
As I mentioned in my first video I didn't buy this to be a rock crawler, that is what the JKU is for. As for the Bronco Raptor I am sure it a fine vehicle, but already having an F150 Raptor I have no need, nor do I really like the design.
Each vehicle is designed for a purpose and clearly this doesn't fit yours. Thanks for dropping by the channel.
Steering is only a problem if you don’t know how to drive or you are use to self driving vehicles that are driven by people who shouldn’t sit in the driver seat
It is the old adage, "one man's meat is another man's poison" I guess.
3 tons? The Tesla Cybertruck is 7100 lbs!?!? The Hummer EV is about 10,000 lbs!
Yep, no doubt the EVs are much heavier! The Grenadier is essentially the same weight as my 2010 F150 Raptor.
@@dickinaroundoutdoors8609 Yes, with the GMC Hummer EV you are essentially driving around a tow truck that shreds tires because of the weight!
@@iamgermane Sounds like they need some military tires on that beast!
Pity you guys don´t get the diesel
Ya, I expect there would have been some take up on that for the range. I guess some people drive with the hump and we have to drive with the gasoline version! Thanks for checking out the channel.
Lower the price, sell more; become famous car brand. Will they? I say no, mark my comment 2024-03-09. Electric version coming soon? Depends if people keep listening to, and acting out, what 'people' like schwaby and his pet harari, say. Me, NO. God bless you all for the review. Strength! GODspeed!
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They will have a recall on that steering because there’s gonna be so many accidents potentially deaths - that is not even acceptable in any vehicle. I’m not fully understanding this vehicle or the purpose at this point I’m gonna keep watching reviews. I love the utilitarian part of it but I’m not quite sure I’d buy the first year model.
I hope your prediction proves otherwise but I really think that an attentive driver is the best defense in all vehicles. It is designed foremost as a rugged off-road and work vehicle and it drives accordingly in my mind. I also had some hesitation about first year but given the global release was a year ago they have learned and updated a lot of things already.
It is recirculating ball steering like a Humvee for 4x4 off road performance. You are making an argument from ignorance.
It took 3 minutes for your son to distract me from this video by listening to the devil went down to Georgia
Gotta stay focused on the important stuff!
Not worth it. Buy a Jeep Wrangler, which are on sale now!
I already have a Jeep Wrangler
All that cost and so many compromises. The bmw drivetrain is still a deal breaker to me all things considered. Even overlooking all the compromises.
The bmw drivetrain? The engine is BMW nothing else. So drive train is incorrect.
Throw in the fact this particular engine is very well rated, ZF box and Carrara axles were chosen - super strong units then frankly your concerns are misplaced.
If you had said "its too heavy" then I would have to agree.
I agree, it is certainly not for everyone.
You have no idea what you are talking about. The motor is not the drive train. Also Toyota thought this motor was good enough to put in the Supra.
I'm about to choose between Grenadier and new land rover Defender 130 V8. I'm leaning now towards Defender after seeing so many reviews on Grenadier plus i absolutely hate this new so called ecological smaller engines into large SUV's & 4x4's. Grenadier needs V8, it weights more than anything out there. Great review, cheers.........and greetings from London UK
Not a bad choice to have to make! Honestly I think both are excellent choices and will serve you well. I am to sure they are totally interchangeable as to their strengths and weaknesses but again I think both are great choices. As to the engine I honestly don't think the Grenadier is underpowered, but I have not towed anything heavy yet either. I am not sure what the fuel mileage would be in the Grenadier with a V8!
I have been to London many times, will be back in August, and am very fond of it. Enjoy your choice!
I think off road it is not even close to JL due to the way jeep and Land Rover leading in the off road electronic helping driver before you engage lockers. In Ineos you need engage lockers always to pass obstacles where jeep drive thru without. On the other hand ineos has much more space available inside for overlanding. And it will have bigger impact on trails due to be bigger than jl.
I look forward to finding out! Thanks for checking out the channel.