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I'm fascinated by the over 700 comments in 24 hours since posting. And so many agreeing that the lump in the driver footwell was a deal breaker for them too. It's a major flaw on a vehicle that has huge potential. And while its got several other flaws, I would feel excited and challenged to overcome them. And I think I speak for thousands of prospective buyers; I'll stay away until its fixed. I hear that the lump was in the design from day-1, and the engineers were warned about it wherever they tested it, even with LHD drive cars! (I have my sources) They either ignored the advice, or had no work-around. My guess is, the latter is the truth. Could this decision be the difference between success and faIlure of the Grenadier? I look forward to a Mk2 Grenadier. I just hope it survives to be seen.
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00:00 Introduction
01:39 First impressions
03:03 Steering
07:07 North America and Europe
09:18 Interior
12:44 Off road
21:37 Details
31:42 Optional electrics
35:47 Achilles heel
39:09 Surprise challenge
43:54 More stuff
45:23 Conclusion
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Independent motoring media wins again. Well done, ASPW.
I would take any motor review with a pinch of salt, but ASPW is as close to independent media as you’re gonna see. Keep it up fella!
Excellent review as always by ASPW, I would like to add an issue with the model year 2024 in the USA. Called the ADAS System, commonly known as the (nanny system) the overspeed limit , that is so annoying because it has a chimney sound every time you pass the speed limit by 5% , it can be turn off but ( turn's on every engine cycle again). If you take the Fuse out you get a Christmas tree light on the cluster.. In many Internet Forums that is the most despicable function the software has. The test and demo vehicles did not have this system, I was told it is a new European law that require it in every 2024 model
the rest of the Car feels and drives as you describe and feels tough.
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2 grenadier reviews within one hour. one puff piece from 4x4 mag and then Andrews review.My god Andrew blew it out of the water.
Yes I already saw 3 of those reviews and steering is a let down, I am so disappointed, let's face it, steering is what makes or break a car.
David Attenborough of the Aussie 4x4 world is convincing a Landcruiser guy of wanting to buy a Ineos Grenadier! Best car review I think I've seen.
That’s exactly what I kept thinking through the whole thing. I was expecting to see David Attenborough climb out of that rig. Lol
I am a Landcruiser guy as well, and seriously considering losing my 80 for one of these. My 40 will be pried from my cold dead hands. :D
@@KBrogger same, my 40 is here to stay.
I wonder if the automatic has a manual mode in low range like the Disco series 2 question mark because that manual mode in the Disco allowing you to take off from a dead stop in second third or fourth is a huge game changer off-road in certain conditions compared to just driving around in drive low range or first low range. I've had scenarios where I take off from a stop in 3rd gear low while other people are getting stuck taken off and drive which is first gear we're going too slow up a hill where is second gear low is perfect
I'd love to watch it on a real tough 4 by 4 Trail to actually get it articulated against a Jeep Wrangler Rubicon or a Bronco Badlands and watch it suffer miserably hahaha
This car will be selling like hot cakes in North America based on this review.... you'd be a fool not to buy it if you were in the market for this type of car. Ineos should be really grateful for this review...the best I've seen.
Car marketers only register the bad parts of any review. They are blinded by them so that none of the positives ever get past.
solid axle's a true off road wagon o r S.U.V. G wagon for us regular guys
@@youtubecarspottersguide1 Still too expensive and too fancy.
@@kg0173 yes ,me I just want a 4x4 wagon or suv to go off road and camp out of the back
@@4xoverland The lump in the footwell on right hand drive, does this apply to left hand drives? If not, maybe all left hand drive nations will overcome your back problem. If so, maybe huge potential in the US.
The only review of the Grenadier we have all be waiting for
Good review Andrew. Pity you couldn't get used to the footwell. Just a note: those are not the rock sliders. That's the sidesteps. The rock sliders are much higher and tucked in under the car. Nato plug is for a rear winch you can get as an option. Rear bash plate protects the exhaust muffler which we've measured can be replaced with about a 50L fuel tank. Great comments from Heiner too. I did exactly that: added a Lithium with a red arc charger.
I assume you have a left-hand-drive version; does that one have that lump in the footwell too? Based on what Andrew was saying, I was thinking it didn't.
No Right hand drive. Australia. But I understand the lefthand drive does not have the same foot well ramp
@@gerritvr4 My bad, I thought you were Dutch, but hey, maybe you are, just living in Oz!
I think that second battery has been set up as an auxiliary battery rather than a ”house” battery and is mostly intended to help with additional loads like winching, compressing, lighting and starting. However, in cases that don’t need that but do want house or camp power, what you have done is a brilliant idea and maybe one they could offer as an option.
Great comments. Surprised ASPW didn’t pick up himself.
Although there are several things I would like the grenadier to have as stock, I really think the design team need to be congratulated on their 1st series grenadier.
I hope they listen to end users for the 2nd series
Thanks for the excellent review. The Grenadier is excellent though 50% more expensive than the LC 76. If you spend half the price difference on kitting a 76 you will have an excellent, reliable (with a proven track record) personalized off roader. The main disadvantage of the Grenadier (shared with other exotic products) is spares availability. If you have a breakdown in remote Africa, the recovery will cost half its new price. (This is also the case with a G-wagon, one of the reasons why this fantastic product never took-off on the continent). My overland safari outfit runs on LC 76's, have covered more than 1 mill. km on tracks and broken tar. It is comforting to spot LC's in the most remote parts of the continent as stock police and military vehicles. Spares availability and even a mechanic with knowledge of even complicated repairs are to be found in the smallest and most remote towns. How long will it take for Grenadier to reach the critical number to warrant a distribution of spares and service items (filters etc) in order to confidently explore destinations it was built for?
Yes they have done a great car, copying a g-wagon was a no brainer but also good idea, emulation is the best form of compliment.
I love how a subscriber stepped up and made INEOS look a bit silly! Good work, Andrew....... and the public wins again!
Let me just say: this is possibly the best auto review I've ever seen.
It's thorough, honest, and it's clear you put a lot of effort into testing it properly.
I still plan on getting one, since I live in an LHD country.
As someone who gets hip and back pain unless I'm sitting perfectly straight in a vehicle, there's no way I could live with that lump in the floor either. I currently drive and old Isuzu Trooper with captain's chairs and it has one of the best seating positions I've ever experienced in a 4x4, it's one of the main reasons I've kept the vehicle for so long.
I pointed out this footwell lump as a deal breaker in a video on my much smaller Spanish channel during the prototype car presentation 2 years ago, luckily in Europe 🇪🇺 it's not a problem for drivers, but even so, it's uncomfortable for passengers too! although they've made it smaller. It must be hard to sort, otherwise they would've fixed it by now. Really great review Andrew. 👍You are the most knowledgeable 4x4 reviewer. 🤩 Easy4x4
As a RHD driver on 12k miles, I can confirm it doesn't even register to me anymore. Non issue personally
The lump is greatly exaggerated in the washout flooring version, on the carpet version it's much smaller. Look on line, jerry flint grenadier footwell, and you will see a picture of the RHD washout flooring removed and notice the lump doesn't extend much higher than the break. Can't be to hard to refabricate the washout flooring for the RHD and there should be no issue placing it up against the lump itself as that's how it's done in the carpet version.
@@terrytees Yes but that's the thing, you might not want to buy a brand new car and start hacking into it like it was a lucky auction.
Great review. You echoed everything positive I feel about my vehicle… with the exception of the “lump in the footwell”. I’m coming from a 200 series and what you felt in the Grenadier after hours of driving, I constantly felt in my 200- immense discomfort!
Strangely enough, mine was because I didn’t really have anywhere to put my left foot- I simply couldn’t get comfortable with it moving around and nothing to stabilise it. It basically dangled. In my Grenadier that “lump” is my stability- it helps keep my leg in one place and because of that I’m able to drive it for hours on end. I have had no lower back or leg pain. In my cruiser I had to stop and stretch every few hours.
I’m at circa 8000km in my Grenadier now and about 80% of that off-road.
Regarding the steering- the only complaint or challenge I have is the turning circle. It’s like an 18 wheeler truck! However, regarding the steering “play”… I’ve come to appreciate it when driving on the rocky surfaces we get here in Kenya. I drove hundreds of kilometres from Serengeti to Ngorongoro and then Lake Natron which is basically sand and volcanic rock. That steering gave me the confidence to keep going at a reasonably fast pace.
Having said that, I’ve been waiting for your review, and thoroughly enjoyed it.
@kenyaGrenadier you are the first one to drive Grenadier in Tanzania 🇹🇿
I think the footwell “lump” was an itch ASPW couldn’t help scratching. It’s a non-issue. It’s a high seating position and both your knees are pretty close to a 90 degree angle. I only have toes on the footrest until I want more bracing so I don’t even notice it until I use it and appreciate it.
Self-centring steering isn’t an attribute it was originally designed in when cars didn’t have power assistance and needed lots of turns lock to lock so quickly unwinding that was nice. I learned to drive in a ‘61 Buick with about 6 turns lock to lock and steering that meant twirling the wheel with an open palm then applying enough friction to smoothly centre again. It was, in no respect, good steering. I have an RX-8 with universally acclaimed great steering and it doesn’t self centre. You have to steer it back because that’s what drivers want in such a car.
Both these issues are only “deal breakers” in the same way that, say, lack of a makeup mirror probably is to someone.
HI Andrew, the 2 lower 16mm treaded holes in the bottom of the hitch receiver are for our European approved hitches.
Andrew, appreciate your view but let me add this from an owner with 3k+ km on the clock - I was really worried about the foot bump before delivery, but what I’ve come to realise is that the footrest puts your feet level and your back straight between resting left foot and right root off pedals on cruise control. I’m 6’4” and I was really worried that I’d made a mistake on my order when I first sat in the car. But after lots of driving I find it much better than the asymmetric foot positions of a Disco 4 or 5 that we had before the Grenadier.
How comfortable is it on the road as a daily driver?
I had almost months two driven the Grenadier - Trial Master LHD Petrol (Middle east - GCC) here are notes:
-I can confirm I have no issues with feet space (LHD)
-I opted the rocksliders, which looks great with huge clearance, great for sand dunes and protections in mountain area with huge rocks, but not enough space to put your feet on the rockslider so added a step side on it (which I have to fabricate)
-On highway, when you cruise control you want to back off and rest your foot it touches the lever seat.
-On the Trial Master with KO2 , the speed is incorrect by 4-5 Kmph slow which is approximately 4% correction should be added.
-Fuel range is 560 (with the 4% correction) normal driving City/Highway combined.
- The Radius turning too wide with KO2 , I have not tried the Bridgestone tires could be better.
-Aftermarket wheels choices are limited because its wheels pattern 6x130 though made hubcentric wheels adapters to work with 6x139.7 wheels after market with in consideration of the offset +55 (wheels adapter about 32+ with wheels offset +20 ) total +52 close enough with different tire will work.
We are still learning, I have not got all the Grenadier accessories yet, waiting them to arrive. I ticked all the accessories I can can get except the Bulbar and side bars.
The different showm speed from the actual one is a requirement for homologation, there is a specific speed that must be displayed, higher than the real one
Can I borrow a couple hundred grand off you, mate? I’m good for it, honest.
Those rails in the doors would be great for temporary things like a fold up table or cook stove etc.
body armor/body protection
Hello Andrew, I test drove a Grenadier a few months ago and came to exactly the same conclusion. I could live with the steering but not the foot rest and I do not consider myself as old. Also the one I tested have drive train vibration issues. I have decided to wait until the second version is released hoping the lump is gone and reliability reports around the software improves. Thank you for the balanced review.
I've nearly done 10000km in my grenadier at the moment and I don't notice the lump any more and I'm 6'3". also you get used to the steering. as a 70 series owner it's like chalk and cheese. both are equally capable off road, but the grenny is so much better on the road. other than the electrical gremlins, I haven't had many issues. very impressed for the first vehicle from ineos in terms of quality and workmanship.
with regards to fuel, I agree. I flog it everywhere because it is real quick on road, and so the furthest I have gotten out of a tank is about 500 with about 7L left in the 90L tank when I filled up. fuel economy is therefore similar to my 79, around 16L/100km. with regards to jerry cans, black sheep do a metal bracket which goes over the rear boot window (like heiner's 76) and you can get those rotopax jerry cans to fit on that. I'm hoping they provide aftermarket side windows for the boot that are 100% glass (like the ARB ascent dual cab windows) unlike the ones you can get from explore glazing. I put a piece of thick clear tape over the bit of metal next to the steps to prevent scratches.
Exactly the same feeling. 6’3 and the lump isn’t an issue. Also own a 79 and I use the Grenadier as my daily now.
Have a JKU wrangler, the transmission tunnel gets in the way. After a week you don’t notice it and id forgotten about it till I saw this post. Not a deal breaker, humans adapt quickly.
Thank you! Glad you liked it. Was a privilege to be part of them for almost 3 years - and mostly glad you liked the toggle switches and push buttons (definetly not from j-tech or similar 😉). Thank you colleagues and suppliers who read this - BR Manuel 💪👍
Thank you for your tough and honest review.
Love all your stuff but always balanced with my own sense and sensibility.
This was fabulous.
The most well balanced review I’ve seen. Saw my first one the other day but didn’t get chance for a close look
As a Land Rover driver I couldn’t think of a better vehicle to transition too next.
After testing a few in SA and Botswana, for me it felt like it retained the character and the things I love about the Defender, but it felt like it was built like a Mercedes.
I personally think it’s probably the best stock 4x4 you can buy right now.
😂😂😂
Here in the states, the new 2024 Lexus GSX 550 is the one I'm most looking forward to.
Who can do a review like ASPW in these days ? Very very few people. Glad that you kept your channel “ free “ Andrew. So that everyone around the world can benefit from your excellent reviews 👌🏻
Aaahhh! Basking in the warm suds of an honest, independent, tell it like it is review... Good job Mr White! Hopefully this makes other vehicle brands realise the value of your reviews. No puff pieces, no smoke up bums, just good feedback on what works and what doesn't. Merry Christmas and a prosperous 2024 to you and yours!
I tested a grenadier for a week as a possible farm truck replacement to my l332 tdv8 in Ireland but I had the same issues with the lump in the floor and the steering was atrocious. Potting around on the farm it was ok but on the narrow, windy country roads around here the steering box is to slow and it almost got me in trouble a couple times so I'll be sticking with the range rover for now
You must be getting a hell of an EU subsidy cheque
@@sarahann530honestly dont know what you mean by that? Because he thought about a grenadier? 80.000euros for a reliable car over 350.000km isnt that much for somebody getting use out of it everyday.
To me the number one purpose of cars like this is to provide enjoyment to the owners. So whichever you like (Grenadier, Toyota, Nissan, etc) go for it and enjoy your weekends.
I'm glad you & Ronny Dahl have got your hands on these. You guys out in Aussie land are the definitive opinions on off-road.
Excellent review. I've just bought one, having owned all the LR products and most pickups. The LHD footrest doesn't bother me at all (I'm 6'2" with size 12s) Even knowing about the 'issue' before I bought, I've just never noticed it in use. And the steering makes the vehicle remarkably placeable off road, you get used to it in a day. Then you start to appreciate it's strengths: it is supremely precise making the vehicle extraordinarily precise. At speed through bends, the steering is great too; I find it is worst at high speed on narrow, rough roads where the centre vagueness lets it down. But you get such an important thing right - this is a vehicle that makes you smile every time you drive it - a memorable, characterful, remarkable car, so rare today.
Great review Andrew. I've had mine for a month. I'm 185cm tall and in my early 60’s. I push my seat back and Jack it up so I have an upright seating position using the foot rest rather than trying to work around it. So far I've been comfortable. I had a similar issue with the parking sensor. The dealer adjusted the position of the sensor in the bumper. It wasn't a software issue in my case. I don't regret my decision. The cars not perfect by any stretch but it's got a lot of good points and a bucket full of character. A compressor fits next to the axillary battery and a dc to dc charger also fits under the back seat connected to an Anderson plug next to the tow hitch so I can connect a solar panel.
Absolutely loved the honest and in depth review. ASPW - lays it out the way it is!
You nailed it with "it's a luxury 4x4 with utility underpinning", it's simply too expensive, the entry level G-Class is in the same ballpark.
Where I am from (EU), the G wagon is twice the price of the Ineos.
Great video. Glad I'm in a LHD market. In my extended test drive I found the steering easy to get used, though of course I wish it was better.
Just started the episode that I have been desperately waiting for! About time Andrew and thank you.
Was sceptical when I saw this first... but good review Andrew. I own one and have towed heavy for about 5000klm now and come from 80 and 100 series and you could say a Toyo fanboy. At first steering was different but now others feel 'different'. Footwell, well, I think I notice it because of all the noticing if you get my drift. Would I prefer it not there? Absolutely. Fortunately I can live with it and have driven for hours on end with no issue, matter of fact I don't think about it - unless I think about it, but as you say one likely needs to substantially test drive to see how you fit. Small tank is the main issue for me otherwise a great machine indeed.
Hi, do you have the petrol or diesel?
@@FrancoisBadenhorst Diesel - comes with heavier duty auto, two fuel filters, built in oil catch can - very nice indeed. LC100 up for sale shortly 😀
Great to visit your channel after sometime. Lots of new content. ThankYou Andrew !!
Excellent review. Thanks for taking the time and calling in the loan favours to get the vehicle. I am actually impressed with the vehicle and as has been said elsewhere Grenadier series 2 will be just awesome.
Great review Andrew. The Grenadier looks like it will be a strong 4x4 I say good luck to it. I'm sure Ineos will address the few shortcomings in later model years. I'm personally going to stick with my L663 Defender 110. The more I've learned about it the more I feel it actually is a solid 4x4 with the right tools, i.e. having the GAP tool (for the electronics).
I have waited so long for this! Excellent insight Andrew, Ineos cannot ignore the facts I am sure of it. They have an opportunity to set themselves apart from the other manufacturers here.
I enjoyed the splitscreen shots with the dune driving. It was tastefully done.
Absolutely brilliant review, I almost ordered one and your steering comments confirmed my suspicions as an engineer that there is not enough castor on the steering and the second thing was the look of a collapsed front suspension. Otherwise a brilliant machine, well done to the design teams.
As a retired Panel Beater , used to help mechanics between jobs i was thinking Castor, Camber Angles
An honest review considering your initial thoughts.
I wouldn't swap my 76 for one.
Thanks for sharing
I enjoyed this review Andrew and TBH, I was not expecting to! I have a Grenadier, having come from 30 years of old-style Defenders. I absolutely love my 2-seat Utility Wagon here in the UK. It's by far the best 4x4 vehicle I have ever owned, solid, powerful, safe and superb off-road. I have fitted the additional CTEK 250SE to give solar input and am adding drawers, fridge and accessories to build an overland vehicle for a big adventure next year. I am 6'2" and genuinely have no problem with the foot "lump", even over long drives, but it can be addressed to a certain extent if required. Thanks for an in-depth look at my most favourite car ever! Get one mate - you will indeed have fun with it!
How could the floor pan hump be addressed? By cutting down the height somewhat?
Yes - I don't even notice it but some people have cut out a layer of the floor covering to lower the height. It's all completely unnecessary. Hell, my right elbow put up with no room for over 30 years in Defenders. @@thybigballs
Thanks…. After 3 years, I couldn’t successfully register my HZJ78 in France (And damned TOYOTA Europe for doing everything for it not to happen !)… and I was considering the purchase of the Grenadier. Your very enlightened opinion is most welcome and I am totally grateful !
Thank you Andrew! Definitely the best review of this car so far! I love the amount of attention you give to details, both on the vehicle itself as to the quality of the finished video. Great job!
Beautiful cinematography as well (not that I'm surprised). That blue Grenadier with white roof in white sand under a blue sky... very nice.
Brilliant review and, as always, inspiring. About to test drive one soon. Love my classic Defender - don't even notice its shortcomings anymore 😂
Awesome review.Thanks for sharing and taking us along
What a wonderful and thorough review. In fact, it’s the most illuminating and thorough review if seen yet. Thank you, Andrew.
That was the deepest review on the Grenadier!
Thanks!
Yes. Good point about the rear door latch location. On multiple occasions I've experienced the rear door being locked and unable to be opened due to items pressing against it. Remember the 1st aid kit is in this back door too.
Wow! That can be a serious issue.
If you're serious about 1st aid (not just making a superficial comment) you don't keep the (very basic) kit there.
It's where serious users put a spice rack or torque wrench.
@@paultucker4923 the 1st aid kit was in the back door of this particular Grenadier which is what I was commenting about
It's where they put in all models
The standard Euro kit.@@fifiandmax
Move the first aid kit to another location if you wish. Suggest under drivers seat.
In my opinion, this was an EXTREMELY well considered and fair review - It covers all the most important considerations for a potential buyer. Thanks Andrew and also thanks to the kind viewer who lent you their vehicle for you to review... WELL DONE !
This is the best review I’ve seen of yours so far, such a well thought out, real world review. We’ll done
Hi Andrew, I was playing with the Grenadier configurator and it appears that the one you tested is fitter with side runners as opposed to rock sliders. The rock slider variant sits up higher and closer to the bottom of the door so is in line with your suggestions. Great review and glad to read your opinion on it, I trust you over any motoring journalist.
A truly honest review. Thank you. I’d love to own one but out of my price range. Jeep JK does really good for me.
reservation holder here in the US. Thank you very much for your honest take. It has helped me to formulate more of an opinion even after my recent test drive.
This review is simply so very much better and more thorough than any other review of a proper 4x4 that I have seen. Congratulations, you have made a review that is in a league of its own.
Brilliant Andrew. Thoroughly enjoyed this "warts & all" review and for what it's worth, the absolute show stopper as you clearly pointed out with the lump in the driver's footwell, was the sole reason I didn't purchase this vehicle 10 months ago when test driven. A big shame and I hope they find a design solution to solving this in the next updated model. Cheers!
Great review, your experience ring true when reviewing this type vehicle. I won’t consider buying one until they resolve some of the issues you raised. Keep up the honest reviews, we trust your opinion.
Picking up mine in two weeks! Thanks for the review. Well done once again!
Amazing review!! I love honest reviews like this. There are too many youtubers who care nothing more than keep getting a car to review for free.
Great review, loved it! Honest and informative. 👌
Its itneresting, but how people know its honest? Just saying something bad about it doesn't make it honest.
Absolutely like what you said towards the end. No doubt the Land Cruiser is great but to me the Grenadier just seems like it's going to be a more fun and interesting vehicle. I feel that way too.
I tuned into this to watch Andrew’s honest review but have to say well done on that side by side videography on the sand dunes. Fantastic editing and sync, loved that.
Great and honest review! I also had the pleasure of testing the Grenadier for 3 hours offroad, although it was the LHD-version and this doesn´t have the lump in the footwell! I´m 6 ft 1 and my seating position was absolutley spot on and comfortable.....a huge difference to my daily driven Defender :-) I also noticed the slow steering and the instructor told me that this was part of the ladder frame deal and it is supposedly some sort of Jeep design. Not sure if this is true tbh. The overall impression I got was very good, but it´s a heavy and pricy vehicle.
Andrew, as a seating professional for 33 years, I picked up that fatal flaw immediately when I had the chance to sit in one. You can not achieve postural neutral alignment, and the fact you were in agony on your drive home was entirely predictable. In comparison, I just drove back to back 14 hour days driving home from Baja to Colorado in my Gladiator and was very comfortable.
Unfortunately the gladiator here in Australia suffers the exact same problem. took one for a very short drive and if hot for the hump in the driver's footwear I'd have driven away in one.
@danielbennett4433 that is interesting and disappointing to hear. There are no such humps on the left hand drive models.
The review that we’ve all been waiting for. Thank you straightforward and honest as ever 👍
Its a testament to you that Ive been waiting and looking forward to this review for months, as i'm not even a 4 wheeler nor in the market for one. Great review, genuinely appreciate your opinion, as its based on independant thought and findings, a rare thing these days with vehicle reviews I find. All the best from N.Ireland. 👍
Nice work Andrew, im keen to see what plans you have for your new white Troopy 😀
Andrew, a great review in the Grenadier and all the functional points you point out. A very interesting vehicle that looks so good however- I could not be 100% confident with the BMW drivetrain in remote parts of Oz - personally I’d be anxious.
Great to see ‘the German’ driving a great vehicle at last!
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But we continued to trust Toyota with the engine and airbox issues they had at the start of the 200's reign? Yes, I'm one of the people that still think it is a great 4wd for remote areas.
@@andypearce7479 - my 200 has just taken me 24 months from showroom floor to complete as a HD tourer and luckily the mods I made are very practical and safe to give longevity and reliability. Donaldson airbox was on as soon as it was released and to date the vehicle has been on beach once for a full day to do some trials on suspension and winch and shows 22k on the clock as we plan on the remote exploration! Im confident that it will be totally reliable as long as well maintained.
Thank you again Andrew. Love the no rubbish approach you take on the reviews. I do reckon it looks great though!
Great reportage Mr St Pierre, especially the last 8 seconds.
Thank you from Montreal, Canada.
Regarding the locker activation sequence, I often use my front locker only to maneuver around tight spots with the rear locker turned off to keep the turning radius very tight. Surely manufacturers could design a system that would allow the front locker to be on and the rear locker off at speeds under say 15 mph for safety.
A front locker destroys your turning radius.
@@k2svpete Well apparently somebody on this channel did not like my response because it got deleted....hmmm, wonder why? The rear locker is what causes the vehicle to push to the most. My front locker is a Lock-Rite style so when the hubs are engaged, the locker is working. My rear is a selectable Ox locker. Other than the steering feeling a little heavier, the front locker does not cause turning radius issues anywhere close to what the rear locker does when it's engaged. We'll see if this response stays on the thread.
@georgecarousos6735 you go with that belief, both have an influence but to think the rear affects steering more is astonishing.
Good to get an honest opinion from a genuine serious 4x4 user. I'm glad you mentioned the lump in the foot well, I found it bloody frustrating on a test drive earlier this year, but thought I was being fussy. I drove it wearing trainers, but I bet wearing boots it would be a nightmare. Other than that it is awesome, the LHD drive world are lucky!!
What is the lump in the floor for?
HOLEY COW!! You brought back such fond memories driving that old Range Rover! My grandad used to take us to the Tugela River in KZN for holidays and that old beast would take us everywhere, great vid!
You described a cow full of holes 😂
Excellent review. Thank you for being so helpful
i have a grenadier and I have put spacers under the seat, it changes the angle and alloweds me to have my left foot flat on the floor., or on the rest. it also looks like you can make the rest a lot narrower. still yet to play with that option. I think without the spacers i would have retested together car. but after 4000miles i’m actually fine with (it. it also stops my knees knocking on the dash ) IIm 6ft 1 tall and have my seat fully back.
Wow, you must be young and agile, almost a mountain climber to get off the ground into a jacked up seat. The standard one is very high off the ground and I can imagine seat outer side bolsters wearing rapidly on these vehicles, especially if the driver is a bit portly.
How thick are the spacers that you added? Was it relatively easy to do ? A friend is thinking of doing the same thing....
Thoroughly enjoyed your review of the Grenadier, I test drive one in Ireland a few weeks ago and although I preferred everything else about the Ineos I’m leaning towards a Defender because of the lump in the footwell
I’ve been waiting for a while to hear your review on this vehicle,thankyou for your honesty and unbiased view.
great review. You give me some confidence in proceeding forward with my reservation. It is one of the most exciting vehicles to come along in a long time.
Fantastic episode Andrew. Also completely consistent findings with others that have got their hands on the RHD Grenadier. THAT BLOODY LUMP!
As also an old coot (64) I’m in the group that can afford these but wouldn’t buy one.
Great review as always. I have configured one for the last 5 months. I finally test-drove it. The quality and build are excellent. What really turned me off after my test drive was the fact that the steering wheel did not center. I am so used to my Toyota Landcruiser and this was not what I expected I am not sure if I can get used to it. I was willing to pay 110K US for it as it is configured with lots of options...maybe their next generation ...
this is the most honest and fair review I've seen. absolutely great!!! not that i own one or planning on it.
That was an awesome review - thank you so much!
Phenomenal review, as expected. I also decided not to purchase the Grenadier because of that lump - at 6’3” my left leg wouldn’t get comfortable. Excellent looking vehicle and no doubt excellent engine & gearbox combo.
Interesting that your left leg needs a stretch but the right leg is ok without one
The right one has much more room.... @@wewemjinga
@MD-uu5nt if you press the accelerator right to the bottom otherwise you don't.
I think the load rails might be there for potential military applications where armored plate might be needed to be mounted. This is just a guess.
Passionate, honest and very knowledgeable as always Andrew. Didn’t think I’d be able to sit through a review of this length but it was super informative! 5 ⭐️ mate.
Great video
Thanks for your professional opinions.
I'm surprised that using the 70 series as a comparative you don't call out that uncomfortable foot position in a 70 - although maybe it only applies to bigger guys with 12+ size feet and 6'+ height. For example in my 76 series I can't wear shoes whilst driving for more than 1hr as my feet start cramping due to the pedals sitting to the right of center of the drivers seat and also the very small driver footwell - especially in traffic.
Not saying that the Grenadier hump is acceptable (i've never driven one) but for what is a "best in class vehicle" of the 70 series it seems only appropriate to call it out.
Also my 76 is very squirrelly when driving in the wheel tracks of other vehicles on sand simply due to the narrower wheel track (even when track corrected) as it bounces in and out of the ruts despite having the torque and power to get it through. I suspect feeling that the Grenadier as "wide" is purely in comparison to a 70 series, which I personally consider (as an owner) to be more narrow than the standard Australian 4wd segment. it would be interesting to see the grenadier comparison when not forging new sand lines. I doubt an issue in bush tracks.
Sat in one at a show here in gero and completely agree about the lump. Everything else about the the driving position was great except my bloody left leg. Don’t know if it would be a deal breaker considering the rest of the car being as good as it is but I could never get used to it
The panel design and layout is brilliant, including the overhead. It's all about muscle memory, and reducing the confusion of small, closely spaced, physical buttons and switches. We do the same thing in aviation. Once I am familiar and experienced with the layout, I don't even need to look when reaching for controls. And it make the 9 year old in me giggle.
This a great review - thank you for sharing your thoughts and insights on this truck.
Was waiting for this video especially after seeing Aussie Arvos video on it and I'm glad you were quite honest on it. I think it's a cool vehicle and is certainly very capable straight out of the factory. It's a shame about the footwell with the massive lump. Good video as always mate.
A good number of reviews of this and most cars are done by journos wanting to be invited back. I'm pleased to say, not only am I not invited back, I have to ask fans for vehicle loans to do a review. In my mind, I'm doing something right.
@@4xoverland Totally agree with where you stand and appreciate that you take the path to deliver honest reviews instead of becoming advertising material for the manufacturers. Glad for you that you have an audience that will lend you their car for you to create this content. Cheers for responding to my comment.
aussie arvo brothers are so far behind of the price tag.
Good businesspeople and designers would seek out and welcome constructive comments, you'd think! @@4xoverland
When I saw Aussie Arvos video yesterday I said ineos are very smart for inviting Aussie for test drive but not ASPW because they knew the young boys (with all my respect to their 4WD experience) they will be very excited just to drive and taste the new car rather than finding the pros and cons.
Interesting review !👍👍 That lump could be deal breaker for comfort it seems.
Would be cool if one day we get to play around with the electrics part of the Grenadier,
so Heiner could have more time to play around with it.😉
I have always had hardcore off-road vehicles for my job as a rural estate manager in Scotland and I love the look of the Ineos Greanadier, but the lump in the driver’s footwell would be a deal breaker for me, as I have long legs and an occasional problem with my lower back; what a shame.
I came for Granadier and met such a likeable mate! Thank you for both and also my sincere greetings to you, down under.
Thank you, first proper review, with stupendous insight.
I like love mine and have had a troopie, 79 and 76 and there is no comparison
Hi Andrew, it’s a honest and fantastic review. I am sure that annoying lump can be removed and a custom made ergonomic foot rest could be fitted. It’s not a deal breaker. 😀
not as simple as it looks. they'd have to redesign the exhaust system.
@@4xoverlandI was wondering what the definitive answer was for the design of the lump in the foot well.
That's bloody annoying!
Now this is a REAL review. As an auditor I know how much corporates hate reviews 😂
I’m so glad you mentioned the steering because, this is the only real question I have.
I think there will be an update or at least modifications to the 'lump' and the rear door setup. Great review. I would put this up there with one of your best.
Yes and it seems they could adjust the steering lock issue too.