Is Islamic Marriage Unfair to Women? | Dr. Shabir Ally
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- Is the relationship within a Muslim marriage similar to modern concepts of equality of the sexes? Or, are women disadvantaged in such relationships? Is there a need for Muslims to rethink some of the patriarchal elements that survive in their marriages? We sit down and get right into this controversial, yet important discussion with Dr. Shabir Ally.
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Remember the INTENT of the quran - to teach and spread love and submission to Allah only. If a hadith goes against this, be suspicious. Remember that hadith were narrated by men, many of whom may have wanted to give themselves advantages in controlling their women. Read, understand QURAN and take hadith for what it is- narrations by MEN. Sincere thanks to Dr Ally and his team for educating us. May Allah guide us all. Aameen.
Well said!
As a woman growing up in Pakistan, I've realized just how much I've been taught Bukhari and how less I've been taught actual the Qur'an.
Seriously though. Does that make the Muslims between the time of the prophet and when Bokhari compiled all the hadith inadequate?? What a joke. The argument that you can't understand Qur'an without Bokhari is DUMB. Read the Qur'an and stop overthinking. The scholars will always have a political agenda behind them because their funding is always from some sort of a political party.
@@laylaa5445 true.
@@laylaa5445 it's not Bible it's Gospal
Please dr shabir can you discuss this with all the scholars and spread wisdom because pakistan is one of the most unequal countries by muftis and men please
In the Arab world too! Please!
I'm glad to have found Dr. Shabir Ally. While I'm not a muslim its good to see there are voices within the religion that is thoughtful and wise.
الحمد لله. I believe the same even though I am Christian
He's just so reasonable , I think community lacks people who think like him , check out sheikh omar he's a very well spoken man too
His name is omar suleiman
these are not "voices", he is just saying how God intended it to be...
Thank you, again. I wish more scholars would embrace and spread your wisdom.
Awesome interview!
Nice , good advice
Thank you for your intellectual honesty
Marriage is so overrated I know people who've been together 30 years and they get along better than any Muslim marriage or Christian or Jewish marriage if you're not with your soulmate you're not with the right person besides not everybody is meant to be married the true blessing is not fighting a husband or wife the true blessing is finding your soulmate soulmates are gifts from God and not even Muslim people always find their soulmates soulmates Are for certain people not necessarily Muslims you need more than religion to know what and who is your soulmate thank you
Thank you for another insightful discussion, can you pls share the link to the second episode
I think this is one of the best way to share information with the world, the way the questions are asked and how it's explained is carefully done and not without considering everything and without bias. Which I think is rare to be found. Jazakallah Khair and Allahumma Barik
Intelligence at its peak.. I wish I could think this way
Now you guys are cookin'! Revolution! 👍🏻🎉
Yes.very much unfair.underage girls can be married away by their parents,can be devorced at random,polygamy,problems with regard to remarriage and so on.
Thats not an Islamic problem thats a culture problem. Same thing happens with gypsies and Indians and Christians used to do it.
@@zain6008 there are Muslims that use some hadiths to justify it, which is the problem. That is why I insist that hadiths shouldn't be treated at the same level as revelation of the Quran rather as useful supplementary sources that aren't 100% reliable but to be evaluated in a modern context through fiqh under scholars.
@@HeyIntegrity yessssss
God created all people equally. Heaven lies at the feet of thy mother.I love my son and daughters equally. Women are sacred.Thank you hostess for a fantastic job
TRINIDAD
I hate those radical ignorants....some of them were not even scholars....
Name me a few.
I came upon this video while looking for more information about Islam, (of which I know literally nothing), that came from actual muslims, not... well I'm sure you can imagine what other sources I might find on CZcams.
I was suprosed to find in this video, amd subsequent videos on this channel, the same kinds of conundrums and theories on how to solve them, as I do in my own Catholic church, and its refreshing, in the current climate of our news cycles, to see a different religion going about the same kind of theological buisiness and engaging in the same kind of philosophical theology as everybody else.
Big thumbs up!
I am always impressed with Aisha's intelligence.
Still not clear, how equal we are?
How do you grow the word of Allah. How do you add and amend the word of Allah?
Astaghfirullah you cannot men’s the word of Allah what kind of question is this
atlast there is one muslium scholar who seem to have understood ills plaguing within Islam communities and willing to modernize from within..
But this bring up intersting point abt Quran and its teachings,they were to address and guide medical times not applicable for today..
Islamists are struck coz for them Quran is final(per Mohammed ) and Allah is not going to send another prophet to revise Q ....
I hope Islamists wont issue fatwa in him...
The process you are talking about is fiqh. It has existed and some early scholars weren't afraid of it, but some scholars are too afraid to critically think about it in modern context. They shouldn't because fiqh is falliable and can change based on context and culture.
@@HeyIntegrityI appreciate sharing that knowledge I hope Muslim world would muster enough courage and come together take precedence of yester years scholars and leaders who had showed way to fit teachings to their times and culture that's only way any religion or belief can sustain or it will decline like jainism,zoroastrian..
Iam 2 weeks pregnant can I divorce my husband Iam ready to give his dowry back or should I wait until I give birth?
Well im not dr.Ali but i practice islam so im gonna answer it. You can divorce your husband while you are pregnant but you cant remarry until you gave birth, also you don't have to give up all your dowry it depends on your husbands actions if he is abusing you or do horrible things to you, you don't have to gave up all of your dowry. Also your husband OBLIGATED to look after you and your child while you are in breastfeeding period and obiously he must pay the child support until child became stable.
Plus if you are afraid that maybe you cant afford the expenses all by yourself don't worry he have to pay all your needs until the end of breastfeeding periot where there divorce or not. ( When your finish bereastfeeding he only have to pay child support) Lastly, you have full custody of your child, but if you decide to marry a man who does not want your child, you will lose custody.
You don't have to give up any of your dowry. That is for cases where there is no valid reason for divorce but just a woman's wish. In Sahih hadith, a woman said she just didn't want to live with a person for no fault of his own and anyone has the right to end a marriage they don't want to be in even without any reason which is better than being unhappy or eg seeking ulawful relations within that marriage. The Quran says about this do NOT take back what you have given them except when you fear you cannot keep within the limits of Allah
Q: To what extent can we rely on our rationality considering its not always reliable given by examples in human history where an idea was thought as acceptable at a time but then found not acceptable later on. How can we determine what Allah commanded as universal laws for all times vs what isn't. For example, cutting the thieves hands & testimony of women etc.
Samy El Sayed you should use scholars as guidance but always use your rationality because on judgment day you will be the one to answer no scholar or whoever will come to your rescue
Abdu Safari but rationality is amoral
@@mxtii_green you abide by the God's law? Or by racionality?
i honestly beleive in what the dr said but i have the exact same Q as you i hope he gives us an answer cus this Q left me holding to what other scholers have said cuz i found no answer anywhere for this i realllly hope he adresses it i loved the way he speaks very analatic i don't feel manipulated by my faith at all
The thing that you have to understand is this: if someone steals from you, it is not YOUR right to cut that persons hand.
It is only YOUR right to contact your local authorities, and your local authorities and your local government would determine what kind of punishment the thief should receive.
The Quran is a judicial attempt to prevent individuals from seeking vengence and their own form of punishment for a wrong that was done to them- this Quran is a call to establish a governing system that will attempt to create a better life for the collective.
In other words- a lot of what is written in the Quran are rules and laws for governments to implement within their society. Not for individuals to implement.
That is why we have things like courts of law and judicial systems and trials- all of those things are Quranic.
Now we can put a thief in prison or charge them a fine or both... so there are other means to punish an individual without cutting their hand.
If a government throws a thief in jail and charge them a fine, then technically you did cut of their hand ✋
Islamic Marriages best on Earth , If both parties believe, trust,respect & have Halal credit unions in neighborhood, wise, modest, noble Muslims in all parts of the 🌏.Thanks
can you please talk about the hadith that say if husband is angry or not talking to his wife her prayers not acceptable until she reconcile with her husband.
obvious fake hadith
@Ganga Din show me the verse
Still waiting for the verse... if anyone knows it 💁♀️
@@samiraj.192 there is no verse haha
@Ganga Din where's the verse, yo
Hello team ! I see you dont reply to comments but still i hope u look into this. I have this question about HOOR.
Are they female / male ?
Are they different from women of this world?
Female . Yes they are different.
One of the biggest lies in Islam is to teach Muslim women they cannot marry non-Muslim men the same way Muslim men can marry non-Muslim women . The single verse used to allow men that option also allow the same option to women. But Islam is as much the reflection of scholars‘ opinions as it is grounded in the Quran. As such the religion is highly reflective of human flaws: insecurity, obsession with control, political agendas, tendencies of social supremacy, misogyny. Islam would benefit more from abiding to the Quran, minimizing the Muslim’s overly dependence on the scholars. As far as what is clearly observable, too many Muslims indulge in pure intellectual consumerism and believe themselves inadequately equipped to produce their own thoughts.
I enjoyed this speaker‘s perspective though. He sounds balanced and decent. Great show!
uh no. at this point ur trying to change and start innovation. also most scholars agree that today, muslim men shouldn’t marry christian jewish women, especially after the altercations and the different culture that’s changed around those religions. in Christianity women used to wear the hijab, for example. The Quran says both men and women should marry believers, but that verse ab marrying Jews and Christians to men came after the diaspora of them after war and women looking for protection, all scholars say it’s much better to marry a pe acting muslim, especially since most Jews and Christians don’t practice their religion correctly, and the prophet said it’s haram and unlawful for a man to marry a women who believes Jesus is God
@@momay2670 You’re making things up as you go. You follow scholars’ opinions or the commands in the Quran? At some point, you have to become more consistent. What’s the verse that says that about Christians that believe Jesus is God? It’s interesting to see how people maneuver their way into serving men while convincing themselves they’re serving God. So now things in the Quran don’t mean what they meant before? Why would the reduction in number of Christians and Jews not truly practicing their faith change the statement in the Quran?
Many Muslims aren’t practicing Muslims either. The reality is that there are many inconsistencies in the practice of the religion. It’s hard to figure out who you actually serve-God or men?
It’s also peculiar that you’d complain about Christians believing Jesus is God while being totally ok that your salvation depends on a mere man who has sinned and is dead more than a thousand years ago. Religious dogmas truly require that people put aside their ability to think rationally in order to accept them.
I personally do not believe Jesus to be the God. But that’s irrelevant to the matter at hand. The Quranic verse is clear. If anyone can be accused of inventions it’s the scholars and those that follow them over the very book they’re claiming to be directly from God- what a contradiction!
@@delpthepath127 I honestly have no idea if you hate Islam or want to change and modernize it, I’m a women myself, but men and women do have different responsibilities islamically, the men has to provide and protect the women, the women has to be cared as a mother, and the Quran didn’t all just pop up at once, many verses were revealed due to certain stories happening at the time of the Prophet. Also we only worship God and God alone, Prophet Muhammad is our messenger
@@momay2670 So you think the meaning of the verse actually changed because of some speculated circumstances? Gender roles are social constructs and have evolved over time. I do understand what you mean, but that’s also true in Christianity and Judaism. But I don’t understand how men being providers and women being caregivers change the meaning of the verse. It’s also very strange that the moment someone starts to question religions, it makes the dogmatic people uncomfortable to the point where they resort to wild accusations. I reserve the right to question everything until it makes sense. You don’t want me to question things?
@@delpthepath127 no I’m just confused whether ur muslim or not lol. There’s many verses in the Quran that say muslim men and women should marry other Muslim men and women, I’m no scholar, also the meaning of verses don’t change, however society does
If women is ready to give up her dowry
Divorce is simple for her (even though she have to go to court or qadhi she doesn’t need to prove anything)
She will get divorce unconditionally
I liked your comment that's why I am commenting. I have great respect for the sheikh but i am afraid he is giving biased conclusions. Let's look at the whole picture and consider the wisdom and purpose to most of the rulings. Let us not be naive and apologetic to the west and so called modernisation.
yes but by the time women want to deivorce she might have spent her dowry sence that's the only money she has to buy things she like ( a husband is only required to give her food cothing and a home) so she might use it to buy a car or jewlary or idk decorations for her home other wise she would live VERY MODESTLY so where does she get the money ? let's assume someone is willing to lendher that money for her dowry she isn't allowed to leave the hose without the husbend allowing it so he asks her why and she sais why to him you think he would be willing to let her go ? do you have any idea how much men think that a women leaving them is insulting their msculanity ?? even to go to the djuge she will need him to let her ?? how is that fair
ofcourse this is asuming a woman doesn't work if she woks this wouldn't be a problem but yet her husbend has the wright to allow or not allow her to work
@@imenehadim3097
A hut is also home, but that is not sufficient husband is obliged to build a house that is normal in your culture with all decoration which is customary, and he have to provide jewellery that is customary which includes in clothing and if women in your locality have their cars and if it is considered normal in your culture that is your right from husband as well, if not you are spending your money on luxury
Secondly both car and jewellery can be resaled, so you still have money
Thirdly you don't need the permission of husband to go to a judge or to do your necessary things
Finally you can stipulate a condition to work in your marriage contract, then your husband wouldn't have the right to prevent you from work
@@muhammedshanushan3931 yes i can but a condition in my marrige to work but what i'm saying is that sense most me don't like working women most parents don't encourege their daughters to work or even study i am lucky to have parents who encourage me to be financelly independant but most girls are realllllly not that'sm one secod okey let's imagine you are right and she did all that and hey she devorced him she has no money ? where will she live at her parents ? they will tell her that she has no place with them any longer most pl a poor or not rich enough to have her and her children living with them it's sad but yes most parents tell their daughters not to devorce cuz they can't take care of her and her children and fgive them a roof and those who do always live in anusif homes remiding her and her children of how much they have done for her you just gotte admit i's so unfair to women maybe in acient times it was better for them but today it's sooooo sad also let's see she used the dowry on something she can't sell ? like something that she used she what will she do to be claer ( i don;t aproove of this and won't do it ) but it's
a tradition for women to spend their dowry on their wedding day so yeah it's all spent also the way you put it as if it's her fault to try and have a bit of luxury in life what? why does she always need to keep that money in the bank as if she isn't even realy giving he mariage a chance
@@imenehadim3097
Bit of luxury?
I have already said that she can live a life normal according to custom just like every other women live in your locality, that is not considered as extravagant
And yes there are wrong traditions that make things terrible
In an ideal society women could marry second time but i agree today it is difficult because of divorce and widow stigma, therefore being financially independent is important
Islam and the world in general, will be better if Dr. Shaby was the founder of Islam.God bless you Dr.😊
SubhanAllah. He understands Islam correctly which is all that is required. To understand it the way Allah and His Messengers since Adam AS meant His Religion to be understood.
روي عن الإمام مالك مقولة: «كل يؤخذ من كلامه ويترك إلا صاحب هذا القبر» وعنى بقوله صاحب هذا القبر نبينا محمد صلى الله عليه وسلم. وهذا الأثر يعني انه مامن احد بعد النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم الى له قول يؤخذ به أو قول يرد عليه.
وانت يا د. صابر أرى انه جانبك الصواب في تحليلاتك واستنتاجاتك في هذه الحلقة.
اللهم أرنا الحق حقاً وارزقنا اتباعه وأرنا الباطل باطلاً وارزقنا اجتنابه.
What happens if women come to dominate men in the future. Would you still insist on changing everyone’s understanding
What do you mean?
Angela Merekel leads Germany, Switzerland is ruled by a woman! .....
The list of successful countries lead by women is very long.
@@noor1991hb yes sis
And since women population is growing as compared to men
Its likely we will see more such women
@@mazdekkhan8957 any proof of that?
Good question.
There is no difficulty in divorce for women in Islam. If she is willing to give back the mahr (wedding gift), then she can divorce. That is it. Any other stipulation put on her to divorce is not from Islam. It is something interpolated into Islam by men who follow old, cultural practices.
I'm sorry but will you explain why she should give back the Mahr for her to be able to divorce? if no explanation will you please research what mahr is?
Yes I want to know why she should give back the mahr is it in quran or hadith,it doesn’t make sense
@@nurarich4945 in the hadith.. I didnt find it in holy quran as long as I know.. In make in simple way.. She buy herself to be free by giving back the mahr ( khula )
Abdul haiy muhammad but I had been read news that the court/ judge make it difficult when women ask khula. . In my country also difficult when its come to wife to ask divorce ( even the husband never give her money to eat etc. Even husband neglecting her in many ways).. I'm serious here.. Its difficult ( or they make it not easy or maybe not care) ..they force her to reconciliation even her husband treating her bad... As moslems we should tell the truth.. Is it islam ways? If its not. But why as long as I heard directly from a suffering wife and I know from reading news sound similiar treatment? Allah know the best
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He is misrepresenting Islam on this, to the best of my understanding. In Islam, young girls cannot be married off without their consent. It is clear in Hadith that if you wish to marry a woman you are to approach her father, and that her consent must be obtained in order for the marriage to be considered Islamically valid regardless of age.
Nope he is right in islam concept this concept exist
Well u can totally allowed and encourage first cousin marriages in Islam
I wish if someone can accept that marrying a 9 year old child was an act of foolishness.
@Cyrus The great A 9 year old young lady.🤦🏿♂️
The Dr is correct-
1. The Quran has to be our primary resource
2. We need to apply those principles within the Quran in Light of our current society.
It just isn't possible to implement the Quran in the same exact way the Prophet did 1450 years ago.
Society is evolving- the Quran is Universal- so the Quran doesn't change but the way in which the Quran is implemented has to change.
And leave the ahadiths alone- Islam has reverted back to the age of ignorance because of the contradictory nonsense that is found in them.
We waste so much time trying to decipher which ahadiths are authentic and which ones are inauthentic, instead of using the principles in the Quran to progress our societies.
All the Ahadiths are conjecture.
The point about the divorce thing, that men can divorce more easily than women. That's because the man has to pay a dowry to the woman at the time of marriage. A woman can want a significant amount and once a couple of months go by and she can divorce the man immediately, then she can walk away with the money. Later she can marry another man, get a dowry at the time of marriage and then divorce a little later down the line and walk away with the money again. She can make an income out of marrying and divorcing, which is wrong. So Islam is correct when it makes it more difficult to divorce for a woman.
So give a non-economically profitable dowry (e.g. teach her the religion) and don't manipulate her human rights off of her.
That makes sense.
Nikki Kiki if they don’t education it’s their problem
Me Me If women is ready to give up her dowry
Divorce is simple for her (even though she have to go to court or qadhi she doesn’t need to prove anything)
She will get divorce unconditionally
Me Me giving non economic dowry is an advantage for man ,not for women
As an ex Muslim I have my work cut out for me because Dr. Shabbjr himself is refuting the Islamic position on marriage
Simple Answer: Rules for thee and not for me. Islam is Mohammed Vice. Good lord Jesus was sinfree. Jesus never sinned or was married. Showing possible to serve God without sin. Mohammed sinned a lot and framed his entire religion to suite him and convince other men under him. If you all really claim Jesus was a prophet then become a Christian. But you all don't want Sinfreeness you want sinfulness. : "When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?
11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: GO, And Sin NO More.
12 Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life. KJV. 8;10-12
I am not sure you have any clue what you are writing about.
@@mystyjakanyango4079 Blind and arrogant I see.
@@TheGSMartin not really, my sister/ brother. Let's learn from each other.
@@mystyjakanyango4079 Well let me ask you something then. Do you believe a man or woman can be sinfree in this life while he serves God?
@@TheGSMartin no. Including Jesus, pbuh.
Are you saying this just to please critics of Islam or you truest misunderstood what Islam is all about? I thought Quran clearly said that your Deen(religion) has been completed and there is no room for adding or removing anything from this religion.
then why did we remove slavery ? or do you beleive that we should still be abel to have slaves through jihad ?
@Habib Urrehman, yes, I think he is trying to be lenient to the modern western viewpoint that has shaped his understanding. Dr. Shabir is a great scholar but seems not to be cognisant of the innate biological differences between females and males that inherently influence their very different responses to social situations. Allah swa knows best.
Canadian Muslims need real scholars. I am very ashamed of you Shabir
wildcat16543 *Why are you ashamed?*
wildcat16543 what about you....your must be a real true most wisest wise bitchy scholar right?
No thanks. We'll keep Dr. Ally. He is pretty good.
A scholars is ashamed
You know now in Islam
Everyone is a scholars including yourself
Nothing special Cox all of them are human and all of them are portraying what the understand by what the quran and hadiths mean
Only the Arabs understand words of all sort
Cox the know the meaning
One thing is during interpretation and understanding alot of words could be different Cox the can't be exactly some time is hard to find a word to replace some of the arabic words
I think the Arab should be in place to do that🤫