Controversial Issues Related to Women: Polygyny | Dr. Shabir Ally
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- In today’s discussion on controversial issues related to women, we discuss polygyny. Why is this even allowed in Islam? Doesn’t this practice put women in a disadvantaged position within a marriage? Let’s sit down with Dr. Shabir Ally.
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Very smart man ,very brave to, it takes guts to oppose salafist teachings
What i think is that a lot of people despite having realized that the world and its system now is not is as it was before 1400 years ago, they still stick to the so called traditions. Of course traditions holds a great value in religion but there are sometimes we hav to make developments to that with time rather than holding on to that same view points forever. For me, people like Dr.Shabeer Ali is what Islam needs these days who can educate people that certain parts of Quran was for certain people for certain times and for dealing with certain issues at that time, like him talking about women's rights. Women's rights were different those times and what they need is different these days. Would be naïve to consider these 2 times and people as same.
Agreed! Well said 🤲🏿
We don't agree.
Thanks to people like Dr. Shabir. His speaches are so enlightening.
Had i known that the present version of islam that is being represented by majority muslims and pseudoscholars is way apart from Quranic teachings I would have never converted to Islam.
But isn't that a better reason to convert to Islam and spread awareness of the actual teachings? I mean, it's not just Islam. Followers of every religion have distorted the teachings of their respective religions. So that way it's better that you spread Islam the way it is prescribed in the Qur'an.
Dr. Shabir is apparently a wise scholar who is talking sense.
Smart women should put the condition in marriage so no poligymy allowed in the contract. Also put in the contract that you have right to divorce. If he doesn't agree move on and find and marry a real man who will love you. Teach your daughters to have self respect.
1. Polygamy is not "disrespectful". 2. Muslim women already have the right to divorce without stipulating it in a contract. 3. Teach your Western women to have self-respect since they are the worse
@@abumansaray7 Go to 🔥. No point of mentioning western women you embicle. I am a muslima. Polygamy is usually disrespectful. There are 5 types of divorce allowed in Islam. Yes one type a woman can request divorce but she needs husband permission to complete it. The type I mention gives the woman the right to issue a divorce herself like the husband without waiting on him to give approval. This puts on a more equal footing. If you want this then you must put in the contract. The other way a woman gets a divorce is to request from the muslim judge or Imam but then yet again she would have to wait on a MAN to decide instead of deciding herself.
@@abumansaray7 So go teach yourself you piece of 💩
@@abumansaray7 kid ur goof
@@user-fw5gp2me9b Again, you are an illiterate clown. Imaging being so lazy to type "you're". I won't even try to ask you to state an argument because that would be too much for your little mind, boy.
We need more scholars like dr. Shabir Ally
Yeah, it feels good to have some random speaker with a CZcams channel constantly watering down the Deen.😷
@@abdulhameedwhite4762 watering down the deen becus it doesnt fit ur views? shush u kid
May Allah bless Dr shabir Ally n grant him a long life do that the ummah can benefit from him...ameen
I run into this channel about 6 months ago and I an't thank Allah enough for it. May Allah bless you all. I have so many of my questions that had me really struggling for years, answered in the most clear and reassuring way!
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Love the way Dr Shabir explains the verses in light of what took place when the verses were actually revealed. JazakAllah khairan kaseera.
Lots of love n respect🙏
Why some people here are so confused to put it lightly by the thought of development and paradigm shift? Like the same thing happened to the slavery, you know. The Quran speaks about it, it was a practice back then, the Quran started a path to end the slavery, and now we don't have it. Same with women rights.
Excellent explanation.
Keep the flame burning 🔥
The Qur’an makes it clear. And women also have the right to not want to marry. She can refuse. If on proposal she makes it clear that he won’t marry another then after marrying if he does then he has committed a great sin. It’s not right to make it seem that men are “dog” and want multiple women because this was written in the Quran, u can’t believe in part of the Quran if ur Muslim then you’re a disbeliever. And men if you cannot take care of these women and u marry them, know that you commit a great sin and you should’ve married only one as it is written. We can’t change the teachings to make humans comfortable then things like LGBT would start to trickle in. So women u have the right to not get married or ask your fiancé to promise to you that he will not marry another and you have the right to divorce. Alhumdulillah.
I have a question. If we don't take Quranic 7th century ruling as complete for mankind, specially here in the case of women's rights, whose enlightenment are we then to follow? A global progressive value? An international body? What if it's from groups that don't make proper assessment and their worldview are pushed due to political advantages or favoritism? How do we distinguish between whose values are better and fairer? Perhaps tomorrow the global movement may call for premarital sexes to be an obligation and part of international women's rights which is probably already happening in the Norwegian countries. Call it internalized patriarchy or anti-colonial mindset, we see what happens to society here and elsewhere and the results thereof. Can we take the values of a particular group who have a different worldview and beliefs that are sometimes contrary to the Islamic rulings. I try to bring a balance by picturing my own family in such situation.
Alim Khan Dear brother I don't think that Dr Shabir Ally meant a global movement and ignoring the original rulings. What I understood is that we should focus more on the goals instead of the means. He mentioned goals like righteousness and taking care of the orphans. Today's Islamic societies ignores all these beautiful goals for mankind. Also if there is a movement it can never be global. Because each society is different.
Good point
I'm still amazed to see how easy and cool he looks when he starts his speach. the Miles Davis of Confusion
At the end he completely lost me
Is it just me or did Dr Shabir suggest to develop on islam?
Shabir advice/opinions on Islamic issues sometimes comes across as academic not having roots in traditionalist teaching
Ahahahahahahahah!!! He often confuses me with his explanations, using or not references ( science, the bible, Hadith, Corans, Indu-ism, Politics) whenever it suits him.... In that sense that guy is a genius !
Am I the only one who sees how Mr Shabeer quotes and adopts Yusuf Ali and other scholars' commentaries when their opinions support his.
But so flippantly rejects the opinions of same scholars when they are not in tandem with his.
The truth is many people who rely on this channel are unsuspecting naive Muslims who don't realize that Mr Shabeer doesn't hold any of the Islamic sources sacrosanct,not even the Quran.
His channel is titled ' let the Quran speak' but when the Quran prescribes cutting the hand of the thief, he rejects the Quran.
He will quote Ahadeeth, but the naive audience do not realize that he cherrypicks the ahadith, and by his admittance he does not give a flying flamingo about the science of hadith as a basis of identifying true hadeeth. His only basis of identifying what is "authentic" hadeeth is whether it makes sense to him or not.
He conveniently rejects scholastic interpretations and commentaries.
So what exactly does this man adhere to? what is the basis of his religion?
❌Not Quran, (I proved that up there, in fact on flogging the fornicator which is clearly mentioned in the Quran, he rejects this as well bcos "it isn't compatible with the times we live in")
❌Not hadeeth
❌Not the scholastic interpretations
So What exactly forms the basis of the Deen according to Mr Shabeer??
To all his disciples, I want you to see this and beware. Mr Shabeer has a very heretic epistemology.
Shabir is right. It is obvious that some passages of the Quran are time bounded. There is nothing wrong with it. Does an inuit cares about tayamum if everything around him is ice?
not a single word in Quran is time bounded keep that clear in mind
HE HAS HERETICAL VIEWS
erm you forgot about slavery duh
@@dragonfly5334 im not even of traditional muslim school of thought or religion and i know there are slaves today still like slaves that are forced into it obviously . . and/but that community service and or a life debt or other monetary debt could result in what would have been termed back then as a slave but today would be called an indentured or voluntary contractual servant.
@@subhanallah6 thr are... Many things that are time bounded... In quran
How can you say it’s only Islam when king Solomon had 700 wives plus 300 concubines?
This is not about random orphans but men could have been married several times and their wives could have died.
he is completely wrong that in time of Prophet SAW to increase population 4 marriages were allowed,Islam actually restricted men to 4 when there were no limit for marriages in most parts of the world that time and normally dozens of wives possessed by people but islam said that you cant go beyond 4 and I have complete trust in this ruling
Blessed polygyn was survival back then that why Allah regulated it instead of banning it all together, it irrelevant today that is why a lot of women today choose divorce over polygyn
who said it is irelivant today???in most countries of the world women are more than men so polygamy is the only viable option to adapt to cover this saturation
And how are you gonna do that are going to force them into it?I have seen many cases in the last few years were a husband get another wife and wife number one just leave, the family is broken and she gets married to another guy in less than a year the husband regret it and decide to stick with wife number 2 doesn't take another one for fear of losing her too,one of those men is my brother, he still regret it till today ,the truth is it brings more harm than good
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Yes ... I am always amazed to see how people supposedly with knowledge on Islam can be so wrong on simple questions. The fact that before Islam men had no limits on number of wives is well known ...
You should be encouraging polygyny instead of trying to make excuses to the modern society and islamic feminists.
Say it like it is habibi. Men can have 4 wives as long as they can be cared for
The women can put in the contract that if the husband marry a second she can divorce without hes agreement
Once ali wanted to marry a second wife and fatima and the profhet peace be upon him didnt want that so he said he got the divorce her first.
Thats a hadith
@@user-uq6to3dc2x WRONG. The fact that Ali ra sent a proposal in the first place *proves* that neither Fatima ra or the prophet saw had a problem. The issue came with *who* he sent the proposal to. It was to a woman from a tribe which was the enemy to the Prophet saw. Fatima ra did not tolerate that because it went against the glory and status of her father, that his son in law would also be enjoying life with a woman from the family who want him dead. Thats when the hadith came about in which the Prophet saw said ‘whoever angers/hurts Fatima hurts me’
Ali ra expressed regret at not making a wise decision and did not propose again whilst Fatima was alive. He did that out of respect to the Prophet, not fatima. And Fatima did what she did out of respect for the Prophet. After she had died, he not only had four wives he had hundreds of bondswomen.
This guy is liberalizing Islam.
You are one of the few who can see the endgame. The Man has made loads of videos promoting heretic views. Only weak Muslims who are on the verge of leaving Islam appreciate his watered down views.
Obviously, watereddown!
LMAO u have the audacity to say this to a islamic doctor? how are u again? u only said this becus he doesnt fit ur views. g
@@abdulhameedwhite4762 LMAO u ignorant goof
Good!
Another confusing Hit by Dr S.A
As usual, the aim is to blur the lines and ultimately obliterate the rulings.I am sorry for the naive audience.
i don't like shabbir ali
then why you are watching his videos?
Nobody likes a person who prove thr sadistic thoughts are wrong and they've wrong opinions... People just can't get with it... That they've been practising wrong things
@@ovaiszohan3766 you are wrong!nobody likes to see anybody so blatantly and rather incoherently sell out just to fit in to a circle. It is humiliating and in dignifying. I would hate to see any human being talk less of a Muslim stoop so low.
Go away then!