What Did This Drama Channel Have To Hide? - Spill | TRO
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- The Right Opinion: What Did This Drama Channel Have To Hide? - Spill | TRO
Who is the man behind this channel, who am I? Well, to be honest, it’s not really of great importance, and I’d prefer to keep my identity mostly private, although at this point it’s a bit late for that. Big shoutout to the news websites who published my name.
However, it doesn’t have much significance in the general discussion, because I am just one person presenting what they know and what they think, and honestly, the people behind the respective CZcams channels aren’t that important in the grand scheme of things, and it’s so bizarre that today’s situation seems more important to many creators than it would appear on the surface.
So let’s go back over to the tea community. The tea community has a lot of players in its complex game, firstly the large beauty creators who produce content for millions of individuals. This content is fairly unproblematic on principle, but as observed, their demeanour is quite melodramatic, and there’s a reason why melodramatic has the word “drama” in it. Along with drama came people with opinions on that drama, who would have thought, you might even say that many of these channels provided commentary.
Now, typically the people who provided commentary were individuals with some level of proficiency in reporting of this drama. Their style may not exactly be for everyone but they have an audience, and it seems that many of them are legitimately invested in the outcome of this drama. Many of these creators are quite tabloid, and some are as dramatic as the genre they cover, and honestly, that’s alright, as long as people don’t come to expect anything more from the channels. That’s what commentary is, opinion based ideas, and if you disagree with that person, that’s okay too.
However, at the same time, some people may want a more in depth perspective on CZcams drama, a lot of commentators aren’t the most involved in that, and that’s fine, not everyone has the time to sit down for a 30 minute summary of something that really isn’t the most consequential in their life. Nonetheless, there is a demand, and that demand exists in every genre, so it was natural, within the beauty community, eventually a channel would emerge with more focus on creating long form content that focuses on the delivery and the depth of information rather than merely the gut reaction to it.
The channel that appeared to answer these prayers was a creator by the name of Spill, like the fairly simplistic name, their content never assumes too much about the subjects that they’re covering, and focuses more on the delivery of this information in a journalistic and well cited way, with the conclusions often being well informed and providing some sort of additional insight. They started their channel on the 5th of September 2018, and in the following year have accumulated a pretty healthy 930,000 subscribers. They often received praise from many audiences and creators for representing information in an unbiased and thorough fashion. Spill also appeared to be creating this more deeply rooted nexus, which is our word of the day by the way. This was represented by three additional channels, Brew, Grill, and On The Hill, which all have their own dynamic.They were good at what they did, however, perhaps a little too good.
Check out the editors:
- WorkingUsername: czcams.com/channels/ZpQH8Q9QjmyY9h-MLVgtlA.html
- Alex: twitter.com/AlexAlexAlex_4
- Barknoorz: czcams.com/users/BarknoorZ
- zero: twitter.com/xh_zero
- AceBackspace: czcams.com/users/acebackspace
- MajorLeagueGinger: czcams.com/users/devinnspell
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No
@@Luuderi_ oh shit
The Right Opinion love you twat
The Right Opinion you are a beautiful man
Its really fucking disgusting that they published your name without your consent. I am so sorry that happened to you
Never thought I'd see the day where there would be drama about the drama channels themselves.
you must have never heard of keemstar
@@filip76uk93 I was about to say this lmfao
NO ONE IS SAVE!!!!!!!!!
You don’t remember the time that everybody canceled half of the drama channels. For associating with Rich Lux even though he may be a racist. Or when everyone thought spill sesh was Shane Dawson.
And that's the tea
“Legal stuff is boring” pfft what a way to divert attention
Yes, and they added irrelevant info about the creators and business history to obfuscate and hide the truth: that Spill/ Grill/ On the Hill have always been corporate- controlled channels. I think TRO underestimates the ability of corps to hire actors to make an "authentic creator persona." YT's future is probably corp-controlled content, not just directly like Spill et al (corp-owned channels) but also SPONSOR-controlled content (like Beauty 'influencers' who get $50k per 'review'). In the US #ad is required to identify paid promotions. Imo YT should disclose a corp channel's identity when it gets big, e.g., 100k subs. Products must list a manufacturer to be held accountable, and the same should be true on YT: list the source so we can decide what creators we want to support with our dollars & attention
@@scarlet8078
That's dumb. Pewdiepie alone probably makes more than all of AWED. What matters in content, and the people within said company are in fact still people and they are still creating something, online, and for free.
So was their Canadian montage but go off i guess
@@scarlet8078 you do realize that being corp means jack as it is easy ti become a corp enity. you can do it right now if you want. a lot of youtubers set them selves as corp as that comes with benefits to help you out, like bankruptcy aid etc.
no offence but... cuz hollyhood makes it seem like the big boss ceo of corporate offices are the bug bad.. that is farther then the truth.
@@Error0101 i doubt pewdiepie would get big if he started from 0 now. He's big because he's been on top for years.
Looking forward to CZcams being flooded with "why I left Spill" videos like we have seen from ex buzzfeders
Hmm
Not the same thing
tbh i feel like it well happen soon
@@alertaidiota6227 Eh, we'll see. I don't honestly know if it's the same thing, but... this is usually the beginning of the end for most channels like this, but that's not always the case. No way to know something is going wrong internally until... y'know... it becomes external in some capacity.
Have y’all watched the video spill made
@@yt20244account summary pleasee
What bothers me about Spill being a corporation is the fact that CZcams is trying to become more corporate friendly and demonetizes/cancels other creators that have no corporate backing. Spill, to me, represents the lifeless utopian future CZcams is aiming for yet act like they are not a corporation.
Spill is like someone saying they are self-made without acknowledging that they had the networks, funds, and means to create a successful business.
Truf
People will read your comment and _still_ say "wHo cAres iF ThEy'Re a cOrPoRaTioN" 🤦♀️ As if that doesn't _massively_ change their production quality, funds, research, legal leverage or literally anything compared to the small/individual CZcams content creators they _falsely gave the impression of being in the first place._
Ent Acc well, they still make good content
They’ve been acknowledging this though? They’ve mentioned that they’re not one person...
Sharon they made a video about this
I was subscribed to Spill and I genuinely thought it was just a girl with extremely good editing skills
It just goes to show that Spill's deceit is more-than-likely intentional. It was fairly "obvious" even to me that this was a college student with good editing skills - maybe an editor, like other YTers have? - so to see them play up being 1. FIRST a _2-man team,_ then a corporation 2. FIRST a _corporation,_ is just really fucking dodgy. I couldn't care less that their content is or seems unbiased - unbiased sources of information do NOT lie about their origins, or delete comments on their videos about people poking holes in their story. Shame, because the content was good. But I cannot morally accept supporting something so shady, it's immoral to continue to support something that's literally exposed itself to be a seedy thing.
I gave u 1000 likes! And also yeah same..
Wow, people take the internet so damn seriously. It is some silly youtube channel that pumps out videos. How did you feel when you were told Santa Claus or the Tooth Fairy wasn't real? I click on things that interest me and don't feel the need to have loyalty to any channel.
nah im good I was subscribed to Spill and then I thought there was something uncanny to it all and I stopped watching their videos
same oof
you guys need to understand that the problem isn't that they're a corporation, but that they lied about who they were and then tried to silence anyone who called them out by deleting/moderating comments who pointed out flaws in their story.
EDIT: every once and a while I get a notification about this comment thread talking about how horrible it is. So be warned when entering it. I’m forced to hear about it all the time. But it doesn’t matter because I’m right and companies are cringe
YES. The amount of comments on some videos do not make sense with how many views they have, they upload videos that reach 1M but have like 200-400 comments. Deleting comments is suspicious af.
ber dema they do have comments more then 400 on their million views video
@@swaggirl1665 that's why I said "on some"
Yeah thats shitty but I'm still confused on why the drama started at the very beginning. Why did some people care in the first place if they stuck to the facts and rarely opinionated?
@@directorredacted8408 Exactly, I don't really give a fuck as long as their content good and what I subscribed for. This is just a case of a common marketing tactic that is getting so old that I am suprised that anybody cares but no one noticed at first. It's amazing to me that people really out here feeling hurt and betrayed by an animated character voiced someone whom they don't even know. Like damn I don't give a fuck if they lied or they are a cooporation or whatsoever, yea they lied, but does that affect the quality of their content?
Let's be real here, most of us wouldn't have subscribed if Spill was ran by an independent creator- because it simply wouldn't be what it is, no independant creator can keep up with that level of quality and consistency to make the concept of Spill work. I don't come on youtube to find a charity case or fund some starving college student, I just watch entertaining content without giving a damn about who made it, people are under the illusion that they have a personal connection with content creators or something, but the closest 99% of fans would ever get is to be with any youtuber is being one out of a couple thousand fans they hug and forget during one of their meet and greets, stop expecting so much from these parasocial relationships and just enjoy the free entertainment.
imma be honest here: the whole tea/commentary community seems like a really big nest of snakes to me and it's funny but worrying that they have to watch their back 24/7 to remain out of any controversy. seems like a really tiring way of living
Agreed. When your entire "thing" is constantly being all up in everyone else's business it gives off a certain image if the individual doing it
I mean then again many of them started out as 'meme channels' by just making memes about other people and just trying to make a living off of being funny but now all of a sudden after they have had a good laugh teasing other "beauty gurus" they then started posting "THE NEXT BIG PALLET SCANDAL OWOWOWOWOWWOWOO!!!!!"
Then that's when Spill came into the mix even after the urban dictionary made the word 'spill' and 'tea' set in stone. Which then basically meant ...'yup...this is a thing now...'😒
What about twink boi?
@@br12_ idk who that is😅
Zul Lo *SHOCK* Btw it’s Primink 😅
Her voice makes me think I'm watching WatchMojo or something, there's no emotion or actual personality, she reads it like every other corporate youtuber does, especially for Top 10 lists and the like. It's like she's reading a script and not bothering to sound genuine.
While brew sound comforting but kind of scary and grill sounds pumped up and energetic
@@losinkalosinka Yeah, I like Brew as a presenter.
Even before all this drama came out I couldn't watch spills videos because I thought they were genuinely so boring because of the voice performance.
@@Hannah-in3xe am I the only one who likes their voice and doesn't think it's boring at all? 🕴
@@spoopysippy948 I don't think so! They have a decent amount of followers who I'm sure all enjoy the voiceover. Just different tastes clashing here lol
never trust someone whose eyes are on their cheeks
😂
@Millie and @anonimo I thought you were going to say big head tiny brain see😂😂😂
👁️👄👁️
Doesnt have eyelashes
Yes.
Even though i think the art is kinda cute ngl-
But that also means other channels like Brew and Grill right?
TRO is the only person that can make me watch a 45 minute video on someone I've never even heard of.
Gabriella Randle facts
Gabriella Randle Same. A good 75% of the people TRO covers I’ve never heard of, or only have the barest of recognition of the name.
Gabriella Randle same tho
I came because I love spill
Gabriella Randle him and DtRH
in some videos instead of saying " i " she would say "we" so I automatically assumed it was a small team
@@Torblis .....why?
And also, when she says “I have homework” or something like that, it’s referring to the fictional school she goes to... it’s a network of channels that have a semi-fictional setting ran by fictional characters. They even have a series with more obviously fictional characters in said fictional school. They can’t say “we are a corporation” because they want to keep that fictional setting as if the characters think they are real. Those characters and storylines can’t be designed in a short time so it seems like they have planned to be like that for a long time. I feel like people really over reacted to a cool concept and acting like it they got cheated
@@WeiYinChan the concept's really cool, but it's the fact that they tried to hide the fact that they were a corporation (deleting comments, saying they were 'a small team' out-of-universe when they weren't) is pretty suspicious. a tv show wouldn't actively try to hide that it was a production, right? obviously, people wouldn't like being lied to, and spill did exactly that.
@@acuponoodles9510 there is really no evidence of them deleting comment, they have in fact addressed that. And even if they are a company, it’s not a big corporation. There are plenty of companies out there who have less then 10 employees and that’s considered a pretty small team
And I wouldn’t compare it to a tv show, I would compare it to a augmented reality game. The game developer design a fictional story line but leave clues in the real world for players to solve. The whole concept is that they act like they are part of this universe reporting on drama happening in this universe, acting as if they are real people in this universe, but they are fictional characters that are supposed to be going to a fictional school.
@@WeiYinChan while there's no evidence of them deleting it (because how /could/ you get evidence for that?), we have plenty of people testifying, saying that they /have/ in fact been deleting comments. compare their testimonies to the testimony of a company who's been accused of lying and hiding... yeah, not a very good look for them.
watch d'angelo wallace's videos about spill-- forgive me if I get a few details wrong, my memory's a bit fuzzy, but he details in one of the videos that they have to have at least 12 employees to keep the channels and social media running, and even then I feel like that's way too low of a number to really keep pushing out content like this.
they manage four /very/ active channels (spill, spill & matcha, brew and on the hill)(on the hill isn't super active, but even then they manage to be decently active with their posts considering they have three other active channels) and i doubt a small team can keep up with that many quality videos, what with burnout and having a real life outside of videos (not to mention that even during the start of quarantine, it didn't seem to halt their flow of videos at all, and it's pretty obvious that there's a lot of time put into those, because of research and editing)
call it a tv show, an augmented reality, whatever you want-- it still doesn't change the fact that they /lied/ about things out-of-universe (talking about spill itself as a channel, getting real people [rolan] into their videos to talk about the company fiasco)
I was suspicious the moment they tried to pass their drama channel as "educational". Dude, it's internet DRAMA. Stop trying to make it sound woke. That's like corporation marketing 101.
Spill literally stated they are a corporation
That’s like saying calling someone a bastard (out of context) is constructive criticism because it’s an opinion.
They literally give shit like WHY it is wrong, including laws. That's pretty educational. Lastly, they're not biased at all.
Yeah even if brew was a science channel i dont think its credible
Woke.that like corporation marketing 101.
She literally sounds like any advertiser lady
Just exudes advertiser vibes.
Slow her voice down to 0.25
I watched her since the beginning and her voice has definitely changed. it sounded more like a young girl speaking now recent videos sound more like a older lady....
I actually hates her voice. She talks super slowy, and sounds like she's talking to children. I hate all the 5 beat pauses in between sentences
I've found that to be a pretty big selling point, namely in the instances when her collected and enunciate voice starts to tackle word for word excerpts of youtube/twitter comments. One of the latest videos she's calmly droning about the music industry when suddenly *INARTICULATE FAN GIRL NOISE*. Hard to get the kind of quality comedy in this day and age.
I quite liked Spill until they brought in all those other characters. It was just off putting to me and not my bag, like I was watching a kid's channel
me too!!! it took me out of the video completely.... like ugh
Particularly since the first new character introduced was...terrible. Just terrible.
@@peppermorrison yes! Embarrassing
I honestly enjoyed it, like they were having some fun with their universe along with stretching their genres. Maybe I'm just ignorant, but I don't see why it's off-putting, it's similar to how Marvel branches out their universe in movie genres, aren't they?
Lol speak for yourself ✌🏻
Okay ngl the timing of ad breaks in these videos is on point - idk why it just keeps the flow so perfectly ... is it weird to appreciate that?
The one time where I wish I didn't have YT premium
*laughs in Premium sample month*
I got a travel ad just after he said "let's go there now".😅
But yes, I do appreciate that the ad breaks weren't jarring.
nope its not weird. Its like watching TV, it like really makes it seem like ads arent really a bother here
Fr it’s like the perfect cut to commercial breaks. I thought I was the only one who noticed that.
When she said "I bet you think that's boring" it felt like they were admitting that they think their audience is stupid
Emerlad I thought she was saying that to be “relatable”
@@br12_ a corporate type of relatable
I agree
Not really...
Legal crap is boring though, they weren't wrong. Doesn't mean they think their audience is stupid.
where's my popcorn I'M ON TV
Oh hello there.
The merging of two beautiful channels :')
Omg is it *THE* Matt?
Bravo ❤️❤️
Aaaayyeeeee
Bruh that article also stated that you were a “political-commentary focused channel.” I’m 90% sure they just looked at your name and assumed you were some conservative CZcams channel.
He DID used to focus on political videos, but that was a rly long time ago lol, they just can't keep up with the times
@@HighGuy69 You are delusional
@@HighGuy69 the type of content he puts out??? lmao
@@HighGuy69 this is a joke do u guys notget it or
@@HighGuy69 LMAO the delusion.
when she hits us with the “so what’s the big issue?”, i dip.
Same 😂
Her voice sounds like a robot in a doctor who episode where at first the robot seems to be helpful but then it turns out that robot is part of a system that will spell the end of the doctor and his/her trusty companion(s)
Plot Twist: Right Opinion has been a corporation all along.
Booo
LOL
Funny XD they where just a corporation doing trash on spill and spill is actually really good!
Wait...
AAAAH
He's been owned by Disney all along
@@princey9056 I wanna see a disney movie on TRO
Nah he just a twat with too much free time
honestly, i've always thought that tea spill speaks in a way that feels like she thinks im a toddler... its weird
sup arqanai. oh yeah yeahhhhhh
And you are right to feel that way, it's forced intimacy and a power dynamic.
It's great for coercion and propaganda, someone that uses this to great effect is Contrapoints.
Be very wary of people that use this, more than half the population.
I didn’t get that impression. Instead it just sounded extremely artificial. There is no way that will ever sound like someone trying to build a connection to me.
arqanai I get that though
Ikr
“soooo.... what’s the big idea?”
It’s like we’re in a classroom wrapping up a lesson about photosynthesis
Kind of thematically inappropriate for a channel focused on chronicling trashy provocative melodrama
Honestly, Spill and the associated channels always gave me more TedEd or Psych2Go style vibes. Fun and informative, with a bit of personality , but also sanitized and impersonal.
18:45 "there's been some sugar coating"
TRO: Shows someone applying an egg wash
Eggs, the new sugar
Ah, isn't that the new trend? Eating raw yolk on my cinnnamon rolls.
Spill gives me anxiety. I'm fine until she's like, "what's the issue?" And my heart start to race. WHAT ISSUE FFS
What do you mean? The issue in the grand scheme of things not just that solo problem but the whole picture in general
i hate when that sentence drops
hi trick. oh yeah yeahhhhhh
Have you been guilt trip by your mother? Or your girlfriends?
@@Dan-gs3kg WOW. YES I have been-- by my mom, and sister, for my entire life.🤦😂🤣
“Nexus, which is our word of the day.”
“Wait. we have a word of the day?”
Yes, it's Nexus
Shit I forgot my pen and paper
nex·us
/ˈneksəs/
noun
a connection or series of connections linking two or more things.
"the nexus between industry and political power"
a connected group or series.
"a nexus of ideas"
the central and most important point or place.
"the nexus of all this activity was the disco"
Nexus?
*John Cena intensifies*
Yeah haven't you been taking notes?!
I like most “tea” channels for the most part but that one just rubbed me the wrong way. The voice is so sing songy but mechanical at the same time. I’d watch for the info then as soon as I hear “so what’s the big issue ?” I immediately click off
Fr like they just go on about this “big issue”
Can relate 😂😂
I watch Spill for a few minutes then click of at "So what's the big issue?". I feel like her channel is boring in some way. I can't watch her full video and feel bad for it-
m e l a, i agree I can never sit down and watch a full video it just doesn’t satisfy me.
@@miyiuz same
CZcamsr: I'd like to keep my name private to avoid stalking
Media: huh interesting anyway I just cross referenced his bank records with his social security number to find out his first middle and last legal name
The voice actor sounds a lot like the one on Psych2Go and the little marshmallow character animations look the same too...
Well, I did some research on this. If you go to the credits on the description for one of Phsyc2Go's early videos (around 2 years ago), the Voice Actor's name is Lilyloo, to confirm this, I realized that they actually provided a PDF on every individual on the team. If you scroll down, you can see that there is a name called "Lily Loo" who is described as a voice actor for the team. Lilyloo has a Twitter but her personality on it is really skeptical to me as her professional tone on her videos on both channels are different on contrast to her memey personality on Twitter. Also, they provided a picture of her on the PDF and she looks a lot like what she sounds. So far, I haven't found any more information
@@Yousef-zc8hk and how does she look?
Folorny Sphinx just because someone acts memey doesnt mean they cant be serious too. someone can joke around and have a mature voice, i dont see an issue with that... she probably knows when its time to work, and when its time to joke.
thank you for the information though
They have had different voice actors and animators but at the beginning it were some girls talking to a camera from their rooms and then moved to animation. They also have a Patreon.
Not exactly, they have different pitches
“My DM’s are open.”
*Primink has entered the chat*
HAHAHA
YESSSSS😂
LMAO
Jaytechtv
a smart sun day
Its just Animated BuzzFeed.
I really hate when she says "wHats ThE BiG ISsuE" LIKE WE DONT ALREADY KNEW THIS BY WATCHING HALF OF THE VIDEO
there have only been a few videos where the "big issue" section is relevant - when it's just makeup drama or whatever, it's pointless, but in situations like the Stauffer family that they did some great coverage on, it was actually really helpful to hear more background information on international adoption and private "rehoming".
Lauren Nicole it always accoured to me that she was talking to like children or smt because of her saying that, i get the point in which context and story its given in but it isnt needed in most videos, very few need that part if the point isnt already clear
You know people are grasping at straws when they insult someone's slogan
Madison gunn bruh, i just commented on how it irritates me when the issue is obvious
What they say the big issue doesn't already knew this by watching half on the video
I guess the *tea* is finally being spilled
This is the only comment that matters ever
I guess the tea is finally being *spill* ed
well this has been covered about 2 months ago by D'angelo Wallace.
Damn it, a weeaboo stole my joke.
"I agree with that"
I’m quite interested to see what this video entails. She is the only “tea” youtuber I would watch, and very infrequently at that, so I have no clue about any drama
Me trying to meet the word limit on an essay
Not gonna lie, as a spanish speaker, it was delightfull to read your comment. Maybe not the most objective comment, but a interesting one indeed
a mouse
lmao. i literally don’t remember typing any of this or watching any of the video. the last thing i remember was being like “ooooooh tro is doing a video on that tea channel i know imma watch that” and then i passed out
edit: missed a word
@@ambrosiadreamer dude you should do drugs and sell whatever your unconcius-self types lol
i only knew brew so when i found this video i was so confused
bruh when she talks i think of how yandere dev talks lmaoo
I can just think of hate and shame while listening to her
Jesus christ you are right she sounds like early Yandere dev
Nah, YandereDev has a *whole* lot more passive agressive in his tone.
i m e a n s a m e
Am I the only one that finds YanDev's voice nice?
"What roast content would be, like if it was done by a Canadian." Is the biggest roast I think I've ever heard. Well done!
Being backed and funded by a cooperation so they had an upper hand from other creators (starting on their own in classic CZcams fashion), and top notch equipment/editors from the start isn't really the problem. It's lying about it to begin with that's the problem. How's an audience supposed to trust the stories they are covering, if they can't even tell their own story truthfully and accurately. What did they want? Sympathy points? Style points? Lying is't worth it. It's hard to trust a channel rooted in information if they're caught in a lie.
Nina Dees Spill never lied. When she started she never said a single word but some claimed that she was going to reveal at 1Mil but some CZcamsrs wanted to make videos to manipulate everyone to think this is bad when really it’s just..
*If you like someone’s content then feel free to watch. If you don’t like someone’s content then don’t watch.*
It’s always going to be like that. But sometimes a story must be heard with REAL facts and not assumptions.
If you don’t like Spill, fine but you need to think why are you believing a source that is not friends / ex -friends to the person they’re exposing. Why believe someone when it is not their story to tell?
I don’t believe someone should be allowed to expose somebody else when they do not know them personally or know who they work for.
As for actual news channels they ACTUALLY go to the source and talk to them to confirm the details of what they found. They don’t be like
“oh look at this mess. Here’s what I think and take it for real because it’s exactly what’s happening!”
*Don’t believe everything what you here when it’s from sources that don’t know a dang thing about who/what they’re talking about.*
@@MadoyaTatemano they even backpedaled when their own viewers found holes in their story and confronted them about it. the fact they lied in their first video is clear, and they ADMITTED to it having to retract their previous story and revise it. I'm not ASSUMING anything. they've admitted to not being 100% transparent, and that doesn't help with credibility from a commentary/news centered channel.
@@MadoyaTatemano Spill isn't even a real person. Literally a branded character and a professional voice over.
If you want to be deluded, by all means do.
All the information is out there and accessible.
It's clear that spill is not a personal project but conceived by a corporation.
Facts such as when the parent company was incorporated not lining up with the supposed age of spill.
You are going about this like spill is a person.
Spill isn't "someone". It's literally a branded character.
Madoya Tatemano But they didn’t lie. What is she lying about? Starting from scratch doesn’t mean you have to have a phone camera and shitty editing. And if you don’t like their content don’t watch it.
@@lelenicole5525 You realize Spill is a corporate channel and the voice is most likely hired for the role right?
Everything apparently because drama channels well have drama around them.
tom possessed true
brew is worth watching though but i think grill and chill are rather shit(the yre friends with spill)
Aye I recognize you from From Nothing's videos.
Tro when?
Shookbang had drama with SAS ASMR and Veronica Wang a while back. I think that got cleared up, but yeesh.
I Know this is an older video I just wanted to give my thoughts. I stopped watching Cable T.V years ago, the thing I liked about CZcams is I'm able to watch the content I want on my own terms without having to be in a certain timezone bracket. The problem with CZcams now is we have those same Cable T.V companies that I escaped from trying to destroy the platform with massive spam advertisements & the same shows I boycotted from the start. I don't like Cable T.V, I like watching smaller CZcams channels with real people & not the fake paid BS you constantly watch on cable TV!
Soon we'll have to go back to books.
@@dunyazade and by that time i’m sure the authors or somethhing will be scandalous, or there will be ads pushed onto you through books. :((
Preach!!! wedgoku.
Many people feel the same, and you know what it reminds me of? The twilight days of the Wild West. Everything is being cleaned up and organised, and yet you miss the days of real freedom and independence. CZcams started out as a platform by the people, for the people, but became corporatised when the big guys caught up. I still have bittersweet memories of young internet - no worrying about government tracking or getting cancelled, but also lots of business of dubious legality. Also those weird things that you weren't meant to look up, like "blue waffle", extremely gory cartoons, also I accidentally found a terrorist beheading video when I was a kid... Yeah, I'm really not sure if I like or dislike where things went. I suppose it's inevitable, the cyberpunk dystopia so many people predicted is almost here and it's too late to do anything about it
“I’d hate for someone to own my means of production”
**Karl Marx has entered the chat**
[L'internationale intensifies]
I kinda like thier videos, but whenever they start "discussing the issue" part of the video, something always felt off and "unnaturally" sanitize for a CZcams drama channel.
It feels like when someone is condescendingly leading you towards a conclusion they want you to have. Sure, many similar channels break down why they think a topic is important, but they don't spoon-feed it to you with a patronizing voice like Spill does.
@@FullMoonOctober so im*not* the only one who thinks that!!
also by having a 'clean' approach backed by educative and professional citations, it seems that they were likely to avoid pissing off the people they were discussing the tea about. Some drama channels have professional executions without resorting to black vs white conclusions but Spill seemed suspiciously neutral all the time. Of course this could be reach but it might've been because a corporation would try their best to avoid a lawsuit even though they are banking on the shady things a lot of very rich and influential people do.
Off? They're talking about the underlying issues in the grand scheme of things for each video with what they found. I didn't find their voice unnatural at all, it seemed more like trying to not put in their biases, something many drama channels have sprinkled in quite a bit. But of course, for those channels, that is their main feature, just as Spill's main feature is their mostly neutral research in bringing those underlying issues branching off of the drama videos they talk about.
@@FullMoonOctober lmao as if drama channels didnt lecture everyone on whats right and whats wrong and correct. They are always going after each other thats why its the shittiest community.
I like how this video went up less than 40 minutes after the Spill channel posted a new video, lol. Keep up the good work TRO. You, Blackwolf Productions, and Nerd City are some of my favorite creators.
same! i wish nerd city and blackwolf productions posted more often, but the wait is usually worth it because of the quality content!
Check out Gokanaru too ❤️❤️
Who's blackwolf productions?
@@NAYYACC Oh, I feel stupid. BlackWolfCompany**. They also create long, in-depth commentary videos like The Right Opinion.
Don't forget Gokunaru. His videos are some top quality stuff.
I have to say that hearing TRO say "good good dildos" really caught me off guard lmao
For people that was still confused this video was more about the concern that CZcams has become more corporatist and how in the future there would be a possibility that more and more channel would be growing under the power of a corporation rather than an individual.
I mean the site literally called CZcams not CorpTube so it's a legitimate concern for this community and i think the reason behind this video is very justified and it's delivery was pretty on point.
Thank you, you get it 😭🙇🧎
Literally tea about the tea at this point
Teaception
YummyWolfie Gamer soon there will be tea on the tea about tea
Nah this is cold tea that should not be a big deal.
"Sugar coating" *shows egg-washing*
Panda
That’s what I was thinking about!
I'm happy to say I am the 101st like on this comment
Honestly other than Lying, to me the corporation aspect isn't why I don't watch them, whilst they do go deep and give lots of info all the videos they made were extremely serious and whilst some of the stuff that was covered was of a serious nature other things weren't and they always made it seem too business like and more somber than what it actually is; some petty CZcams drama.
This sucks too cause I just discovered brew and here I am finding out it's origins....
Now I feel violated
Brew is still a good channel, they make good content and do their research
SlushyOrangutan They are! But aren’t they made by the same people who made spill?
ceph yeah but still brew is not that bad
Brew is pretty cool but I dunno about the others
Dude I fuckin love Brew
When Walmart comes to small town rural America.
When foreign corporations and import ruin indigenous markets
hola buck. oh yeah yeahhhhhhh
Honestly, the reason I love TRO so much is because not only is he the type of person to say “this is wrong”, and leave it there. He explains how and why something is wrong, how the person/people can fix it and do it all with a little bit of humor. That is something that I can truly learn from and look up to.
spILL
chILL
grILL
on the hILL
and suddenly, BREW.
NUTS
That bothered me ever since I discovered Spill.
@@theunicorn1167 haha yes, but i love it when brew and spill together
My grandma is terminally ILL
Coincidence I think not
Kill
They use that music for every “deep” moment LMAO it’s so annoying
I'm so stupid it took me this long to realize TRO stands for the right opinion
I mean, standing for the wrong opinion would be quite strange, wouldn't it?
I literally just figured that out myself RIGHT before seeing your comment 😂
I thought it meant Temporary Restraining Order, and I was like, "Oh, they must call themselves that because they are covering CZcamsr drama that the CZcamsrs don't want aired."
@@absolutangel64 You are the chosen one
They want to open the conversation, while having the most curated comment section I have ever seen... sounds legit
"I don't want anyone to own my means of production."
-Karl Marx vibrating-
The hell would that even mean?
I’ve been watching spill for a while, never once did I think that she was an individual creator. I think there’s an element of judgement placed in looking after the channel. You can see that spill has different skills that unless you are some super amazing human there had to be a medium size group behind it
Long Schnozzed Tribesman yes but come on. No one person could be that polished at creating captivating content right away. They were going for it but did not fool everybody.
one person vibe went out the window due to the sheer amount of research put into each video,overall aesthetic and 2 more channels matching that same aesthetic. I mean believe whatever keep taking things at face value, its 2019 you dont need critical thinking skills.
I never assumed Spill was one person, but the content felt soured with the lack of transparency and corporate invasion of one of few remaining youtube niches that allow the average person to build an audience and income without all the bells and whistles. I haven't enjoyed it the same since.
Plus, imo it makes it less impressive. This isn't research and production fueled by genuine interest and passion to deliver proper and unbias coverage of social events, it's just reading off whatever they're supposed to like a news host with a teleprompter. Might as well be TMZ with different packaging.
@Long Schnozzed Tribesman So, just because some people read into that vibe and choose to believe that, does not mean it's the truth. Spill never said it wasn't a company people just assumed it wasn't. It's those people fault and not on the channel's part.
Me too i always assumed there was at least 3 people on the channel. But i work on a production company so im more used to the concept of lots of people working for a single video. I mean even medium sized youtuber have to hire one or two editors, and channels with animations tend to have a main animator and their assistants.
I just can’t watch the Spill videos, they kept coming up in my recommended and I watched a few, but it felt like I was being talked to like a kid, and the channel felt like a slightly patronising channel “educating” children. They way she speaks just comes across as someone explaining something to child with an air of “I know better, so here’s a dumbed down sanitised version of the story to help you understand...” It didn’t work for me at all, but it’s interesting that many others like it. I’m very sensitive to people who do this “I’m being completely non-biased and just giving you the facts in a journalistic way with zero of my own personality or opinions” etc, because it is extremely hard to give information in a genuinely non biased way- in most cases people can’t help presenting information and framing stories that fit with their own narrative or personal opinion...and I’d rather people just admit to having a bias and show their feelings. I didn’t find Spill non-biased at all, and it really wasn’t for me, it felt like school teacher who is used to dealing with kids trying to talk to adults- I could almost hear the fake smile and the voice seems so robotic and faux polite.
ok birdwithabrokenwing
Ok SuperStarGio!
czcams.com/video/nEBHwDqnaxE/video.html
💯
Growing up how I grew up I always wonder how people fall for this kind of stuff, but I always find myself falling victim to different corporate schemes that appeal to me and my cynical point of view... This is one of them and i'm glad that somebody is bringing light to this as well as other corruptions. I hate your channel name but I absolutely adore your content! Keep on keepin' on.
Its totally possible that this was a passion project of a couple people working for AWED. That being said, corporations are NOTORIOUS for taking the rights and incomes from their employees relevant creations if they did ANY of the creation within the confines of their salary. An example (even though within a different industry), when I was in the shipbuilding industry we were always warned when we had ideas to work on it exclusively "off-the-clock." We were always told about one specific story about tungsten impregnated lead. I cant find a source or I would absolutely link it.
I just wish that if that were the case they could have said. On the other hand, I feel like they might not have been allowed to tell that part of the story, per their corporation agreement.
I think it's unfortunate that Spill tried to act like they were some just college girl from modest beginnings because that damaged any credibility they built up. Spill is the best tea channel, but not because of the editing. The rest of the tea community is just horrible. What attracted people to Spill is the attempt they made to be unbiased. A lot of tea channels are exchanging currency with the people they're covering, social or otherwise. This is ironic because what brought them subscribers was rightfully calling out beauty gurus who do not disclose sponsorships and paid content. Before they were irrelevant and largely regurgitated threads from Lipstick Alley and Pretty Ugly Little Liar. Some of them straight up act like a PR team, and that became obvious when Jeffree Star's texts towards James Charles were leaked. The rest of youtube was disgusted, but not the tea community. Some tried to excuse it like Rich Lux, but many others quickly looked the other way after making well over a dozen videos on the drama praising Tati and Jeffree. It's all just so fishy to me and I don't trust them anymore than I do these big beauty gurus.
Atleast all the other ''tea channels'' actually has people behind the camera with their own personality and opinion, DUUUUUH.
Isn’t it true that a number of them are legitimately on Star’s payroll or something? That’s what I’ve heard but I haven’t been invested enough to look into any of this, so it could just be rumors.
So have you seen the spill video they talk about this drama? I get that it's annoying they try to bring in the universe but they do give good information regardless them being a small corporation
I watch tea channels for the personality of the channel owner. Spill is the most boring tea channel out there, it completely lacks soul plus they viciously control their comments. I want my tea to have a side of draaaamaaaaaa hunnay and have a good laugh, it’s not that deep...
MizLaFrance spill is to inform people and doesn’t cancel people with biased “proof”, dumbass
Am I gonna lose 44 minutes of my study time listening to a beautiful accent and wishing Primink is comming here with his new sponsors ???
YES.
Oh no is this comment copyrighted BECAUSE I THOUGHT EXACTLY EVERY WORD
@@lilacKurage wE ArE COnEcTED
If Primink gets on here: ask him when his newest vid is gonna come out, I am greedy and need more Primink giggles and snark
@@EchoSappho I will contact him for you request
... I'm also in need xD
@@gabhikellilcotte4516 see ya once Primink uploads 💖👌
“How can they contact CZcams when they can’t contact Raid Shadow Legends?” Most underestimated statement ever 🤣🤣🤣
This is why it’s important to check multiple sources for your news/info because you never know who is behind a drama video or how they are trying to manipulate the information.
"We had everything we needed, we couldn't get everything we wanted." This supposed rag to riches story sounds like the man was a brat, not someone who struggled. This pissed me off.
Yeah if you're living in a home and have clothes, food, heating, water, a bed etc it's not exactly living with "rags". Plus no one can get everything they want unless they're rolling in cash which every other person isn't.
Man it looks pretty clear to me that it was an attempt to explain like a moderate fashion that they were poor instead of saying "we literally couldn't afford bread" which would have been taken as hyperbole anyway, or "we were poor" which isn't very personal and doesn't have any punch to it.
It sounds to me like you would have been pissed off either way.
TehCoopaTroopa
Please. I guarantee that they don’t even know the definition of being poor.
They just come off as entitled assholes and including this in the video was completely unnecessary. Edit: the reason they did is because it’s called “appealing to emotion”. It’s manipulative and a shitty way to try to connect with your audience instead of just getting to the point of the video in the first place. Oh, and honesty. There’s that.
Lol right? Middle class to riches isn't as aspirational I guess
Yeah, that's the feeling I got too. "My parents couldn't afford to buy all the latest and most trendy items, so I got a job but hated it because having a boss sucks." How can you be so entitled at 15 to not be able to take orders from a boss?
Unfortunately we are going to see a lot more of this bullcrap, time to change the name to CorporateTube....
youtube is already a corporate enity. if creatores want to expand, and set yup a corp that is their business. ppl getting uppity over this are shallow ppl who just sit and bitch over everything.
The only solution for now is to create resilient co-ops to compete with the corpos. Let's turn CZcams into BreadTube.
sup oldboy. oh yeah yeahhhhhhh
I legit was almost finished Spill’s video and I thought she sounded like a robot; scrolled through recommended videos and saw this video. A fan of yours already so this was a no brainer
rewatching TRO's videos essays can be something that is so personal
"Let's wrap this up!"
Ad: (opens with a gift wrapping, Christmas theme.)
I see what you did there.
When you become an LLC if someone sues you, ex: Shane Dawson LLC (Limited Liability) hits only his company fund. NOT his personal funds. Also, it's tax deductible lol.
dreamerdazegirl loo
Yesssss. It’s important to know the difference! My husband started a business and initially ran it as a sole proprietorship. We later realized that by paying a small fee, we could run it as an LLC. Which is the way to go. We were only making it legal because he was on house arrest, and needed to legitimize his business to run it/be able to go to private residences to work.
@@tuesdayfloring5104 see! Working smarter, not harder ☺️ wishing you guys the best of luck with your business!
Tuesday Floring best of luck!
We just gonna ignore the fact her husband was...for some reason under house arrest?
Whenever something pops out and gets successful, it is being called out as fraud or "too good to be true". As much as I can see regarding Spill. They are good at editing, drawing, narrating and stating facts and opinions on a certain subject.
They are*
Pops out and gets successful, it is being crazy out as fraud or too good to be true. As much as I can see regarding spill. They are good at editing, drawing, narrating and starting facts and opinions on cartian subject.
I think the biggest problem is people comparing small channels and this channel because they think they are playing on the same level and that is nowhere near the truth. They are making people think they are better because most people say "well if spill can do it then the other drama channels can". That just isn't the truth and it's actually just kind of shitty.
"How people expect these people to be in contact with CZcams when they can't even contact Raid: Shadow Legends" 😂
The business student in me’s offended by the “business/legal issues” are boring. But this is a great video! Thank you! I like that they’re Canadian. It actually makes more sense as to why they’re so balanced. And I’m not really approaching this in the same way as TRO; more so through “business eyes,” and I think it’s a great start to Canadian media that focuses on more general current events and is less animated/cringey than blank characters. I worked in print media as a teenager, wanting to become an investigative journalist but being discouraged by digital media’s biased and opinion based content. Many Canadian young adults are consciously aware of the way media can be biased; it’s a really big deal to most Canadians when our own news comes off as if it’s pandering, or has malicious intent. I’m proud of them being such a big independent and unbiased Canadian media company on CZcams. We needed this.
"How these people expect these people to be in contact with CZcams, when they can't even contact Raid Shadow legends?"
17:20 but it WAS a 2 person passion project. As you said They just had a corporation backing them up but not all corporations are big and Rich. Some consist of 2-4 people like theirs did at first
It’s that strange feeling that something is slightly...off. Like a subtle undercurrent of shadiness.
Does anyone else think spill sounded a bit irked? Maybe I’m just judgy
They like to talk like they're giving a great gift to youtube by being a commentary channel that's BETTER than all the others because only they have a journalistic approach. Even though this video alone proves that they're not.
Iron Lamb Trueee 👀
FullMoonOctober they ARE better though because every other drama channel is all “ooh girl she really tried it today mhmm shady shade smh can you say hashtag canceled okurrr” and are called out for being biased, hateful, and slandering. While Spill simply reports the facts, cites their sources, and remains unbiased. It’s why they’re so popular and continue to be.
Honestly I never even listened to how Spill's voice sounded like, I was focused on the video, well until now. Now that the drama begun, I just clicked on a video of Spill's and focused mainly on her voice and if it sounded like a robot, and it indeed did sound like a robot. I could hear this quiet robot-like sound in the middle of every word/sentence she said and it reminded me of what a robot sounded like.
TRO: "Awed."
Other youtubers: "AYE DOUBLEYOU EEE DEE"
came back here after having a spill video in my suggestions and realizing the speaker was different. All associated Channels also seem gone.
which speaker? the "Spill woman"?
@@CHADCONTEXT Yeah, the lady that originally voiced Spille
I love watching spill. She brings so many information and later she explain about how, why, what, where and when.
Middle class to riches, so inspired.
ppl here saying "why should i care if they ~lied~ about being a corporation?" probably didn't watch this video
even spill itself in their video explained why it's a bit troubling that there are a lot of corporations on CZcams, hence, the irony
Am I the only person who doesn't get what the big deal is?
I started watching Brew content like 2 years ago, back when he had like 5k subscribers, he literally popped out of nowhere in my recommended tabs, now hes huge, granted he does make interesting content
Thank god, I felt like I might be the only person in the world that hates those Funko Pop figures
I hate everything made a vid about that.
I Know How King Crimson Works Omg I need to check it out. I always thought they were gross-looking.
Their deadened, soulless eyes haunt me
You are not the only one. I find them unappealing
I love them🙁😅
Honestly spill is the only "tea" channel I watch, i like the journalistic approach to youtube drama with all the commentary channels I watch, I watch enough things about drama so the kind of drama they do cover...I really like the format also the secondary channel brew is really good, i dont watch any of their other channels though, not my kind of stuff
Agreed, who cares who they are? They deliver good, informative videos with multiple views on a situation. I don't see anything wrong with that.
@@nataschajongsma6210 I dont think anyone was saying the content was the issue, it was the lying and the bias that they don't admit to; instead shadow banning comments that disagree with them.
Tinkabouthat when did spill lie? Also I’m pretty sure Spill is unbiased.
@@MadoyaTatemano they've never lied more just left out information when discussing themselves??
i enjoy spill’s unbiased, journalistic approach, but i don’t understand why they would feel the need to lie about themselves. like why? what’s the point? i like spill but this doesn’t make any sense
The narrators of those channels sound exactly how I imagine Brand Twitter's would if they could talk. 22:44 is absolutely what Wendy's would sound like.
Definitely, now i can't unhear it tho
The ending is absolutely true. The unique persona clearly is missing. In fact, it's just ok. I shared those same sentiments prior to you mentioning it. It is just another ms mojo or ect. There's nothing special or interesting about it. In a nutshell, it's boring.
When you're so early you can shut up please
Hi Pine Pine Pinely
Pinely sup how are you
PINELY MY LORD
father, it is you
Pinely THANK YOU
ps I love you.
I was getting that channel in my recommended since they had 70k. I noticed they'd basically doppelganger channels and topics that were blowing up on the same title. So for example, drama channels video about X gets a Mil plus, they'd duplicate the title and/or subject matter.
That's pretty much every channel in every genre. See "true crime" channels, "Weird Parts of the Internet" channels, "DIY" channels.
It's like every Burger King across the street from every McDonald's.
Honestly, I really like spill. Personally, I like Brew better, and I've been following since that one was created. But I think their channels are cute, and I enjoy watching it as I do tv shows. But, maybe that's just me. But I really enjoy your deconstruction and dive into the understanding of everything. You also have the perfect voice for what you do. 👌
I have just found this channel and I must say this is a very well done commentary channel....i really like that you give your opinion, while also showing both sides of the issue👍👁💥👁
TRO "I'd hate someone to own my means of production"
**SOVIET UNION INTENSIFIES**
Heavy approves.
Kid In The gasmask ALT who touched my gun
hi cyan. oh yeah yeahhhhhh
@@MrDankTM Hi JOD, Oh yeah, Yeeeeeh
I'm here to force feed you some love monocle boy
My fat ass read “mOnOcYcLE” 😭
ITS TEA BEHIND TEA-
Interesting video. I appreciate your content - partly just because it's nice to have a good British commentator (who can say twat correctly!), but mostly because I feel you give an interesting perspective from a different angle, and I feel you are just pretty open and chill, trying to look at stuff logically but still with a human being inside. Thanks man
If I see one more comment saying “when you’re so early”...
Last time I was this early you didn’t say this
Now that I think about it. I feel like my comment has been repeated many times.
Youre one of them now
When you're so early.
hi some. oh yeah yeahhhhhhh
ive always liked spill, in fact she's the only drama youtuber im subbed to. i dont really care about youtube drama, but sometimes, it's nice to know what's going on in the community, and to get that info from a neutral source rather than some 20 something beauty diva in their bedroom with an iphone.
two years old comment, but this is exactly.... the whole reason tro made this video lol. spill is not a 'she', you obviously care about youtube drama because you stopped to comment on a youtube drama video defending your youtube drama source, and you think that spill is a 'neutral source' because they're not a '20 something beauty diva in their bedroom with an iphone.'
I can only assume bulma_999 did not watch/listen to this video, bc this comment is literally a perfect representation of the worst side of this entire situation. who are you even referring to with the beauty diva comment? it must be someone you specifically dislike, because I'm not sure why a 20 something makeup channel is so offensive to you compared to a 30 something paying some 20 somethings to craft an artificially neutral and likable persona. if it's nice to know what's going on, why do you not care... what's.... going on?
this comment is so bizarrely out of touch with the conversation here-- at the time and in the future-- that I wish tro could've worked it into the video as a perfect mission statement
To know what's going on in the community, and to get the information from natural sources rather than 20 to pull in their bedroom with iPhone.
@@Dizqard when did they try and defend spill they just said they like watching spill becuase of the simplicity
The employees definitely sound like they're being held at gunpoint while making that explanation video
TRO: who is the man-
Me: behind the slaughter