Thank you Mr. Shapiro for being generous with your compliments. Much appreciated. I (along with many others), tend to agree with your findings about the 5.56...
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Our USMC boot camp drill instructor told us that 5.56 had the advantage of causing more interal organ damage to the enemy because the round was more unstable after impact, causing the bullet to tumble and scatter. By comparison, he taught us that the 7.62 was more powerful but had a piercing effect as opposed to the disintegrating effect like the 5.56. The instructor shot a tree trunk in front of us with a 7.62 rifle and the bullet went through the trunk, creating a clean hole all the way to the other side. This video confirms what I learned in boot camp. Thank you.
Which means be careful what size tree you use for cover. The big issue with the 762 is you lose your sight picture when you fire. It takes a second or two to acquire. With the 556 there’s virtually no recoil and you can keep piling them in one after the other on semi automatic, making it much more accurate for combat use. The thing it lacks is penetrating walls. The other thing that people forget unless they’ve humped the bush is the weight of that stuff. Lead is heavy and the difference between 308 and 556 is major. The big surprise for me was the shock of that 77, grain 556 round. That’s incredible that range in particular. I wonder how the drop profile compares to your 68 and 55😢 grain standard ball rounds.
The 77 grain OTM has MASSIVE energy transfer. The jacket is super thin, so it shatters the front half, massive energy dump. The shank will sometimes continue on.
That demo showed me that a faster round goes in and out too quickly for the hydroshock to form to its fullest. While that 77 grain did allow it to form to its fullest, causing more destruction.
Bullet design is everything. 5.56 was a hollow point and usually with enough velocity open up (mushroom) and more damage. 7.51 and 308 were ball rounds and poke a simple hole.
@@vuv9520only one was ball. One was an open tip match. Technically a hollow point since the tip was followed out. Mostly designed for accuracy, but so is the 77 gr 556. That’s an otm too so I think the just opening really caused a lot of pressure relief for the otm 308 and that’s y it didn’t look as good.
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Beyond the information in the video, which was very good, the frame by frame analysis at the end was exceptionally well done. This is the first video I have seen that has gone into that much detail. Full credit for doing a good job with this video.
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Okay...I'll admit, I was surprised by the results! The 5.56 was far more impressive than I was expecting. It seems to be the velocity greatly increases the effect...at least on water jugs. Next, I'd like to see cinder blocks used as targets, I'd suspect the bigger yet slower bullets might do better. But I don't know; therefore thank you for this video, I appreciate seeing those slow motion pics. Very interesting.
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The 16" barrel handicapped the 308 compared to an 18" barrel for the 5.56. The 308 really gains velocity with the longer barrel, out to about 22" or so.
Thank you Mr. Claus for taking the time to watch the video and for sharing some intelligent food for thought. In fact, both calibers were somewhat handicapped by barrel length. They both would have benefited from longer length barrels (especially if both were test fired from a bolt action.) At a very close distance like 50 or 100 yards this would have been a greater factor to consider, but at a distance of 300 yards, with both rounds having a chance to lose a lot of velocity I would have thought that the .308 could have easily overcome the difference in barrel length.
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It Looks Like The Old 5.56 Is Definitely A Highly Effective Round Out To 300 Yards! So Much For All Of The Hate It Receives From Some Folks! Using The Right Type Of Ammo Truly Makes A Difference In Effectiveness! ✌️🇺🇸✌️
Would be interesting to see how the 168 gr would have faired if the cap of the jug would have stayed on like the other two, It looks like it made a good relief valve.
Agreed, would like to see another test. Is it possible that the initial pressure upon impact is significant enough that the cap would come off no matter what?
The cap didn’t fail. The 168 gr projectile is moving much slower, so it gave the cap time to “react”. The faster moving projectiles did not give the cap time to react and blew the wall instead of the cap. Velocity out ways mass every time. The nazi’s were a prime example of mass, had a cannon bigger than a locomotive, sure it could reek havoc., But Tesla knew if you fired a grain of sand at a 100,000 fps that the devastation would be immense. “Particle beam accelerator “
That was simply amazing and not what I was expecting. You’ve done a great job in showing how effective the Mk262 round is. It helps explain why it was such a coveted round in the Middle East war.
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Technically, it's not a MK262 as that is only produced by Black Hills. That said, this sig version of the 262 seemed to have better numbers than I get from my lot of BH MK263, which clocks in at 2,779fps from my 18" white oak. I'm very impressed with this Sig version and now have to try it. I reload a 77gr using IMR8208xbr which I have gotten up to 2,836 in 10 shot avg as opposed to the BH MK262 at 2,779. Either way, this is ine of the most impressive and surprising test I have seen, and goes to show that numbers can be deceiving.
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That was really cool. I’d love to see other .223 and 5.56 rounds. Namely 62 and 55 grain…I suppose I could get off my lazy butt and do it myself. But your camera work and narration is excellent. Thanks! Lol…edit…just subbed and checked out your channel…and there’s the videos! On my way to see what happens! NICE
I'm theorizing that the 5.56 77 gr tumbled and broke up, expending all striking force in the jug. The heavier 168gr / 147 gr bullets, with higher striking force, remained more stable and punched through, only expending partial striking force in the jug. Trying the same test again with soft point hunting ammo in all calibers would allow the heavier .308 bullets to expend most bullet striking force in the jug. In testing .31 and .36 caliber cap and ball revolvers, using original 1850's era pointed conical bullets moving at ~900 fps, the little .31 80 grain conical actually had more explosive damage on the 1st 1 gallon water jug than the .36 125 grain conical even though the 125 grain .36 actually has about 60% greater striking force. The reason was because the .31 cal 80 grain conical tumbled on impact, while the .36 125 gr conical punched straight thru!
@@section8usmc53 1:8 is actually the preferred twist rate for shooting 77gr ammo. The reason 1:7 exists is to be able to stabilize tracers from my understanding. Looking at a tracer outside of the case it is considerably longer than 77gr otm
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For years there has been a debate about using 22 caliber bullets to hunt deer and even larger game, this test goes to show the .224 bullet at high velocity creates a massive pressure wave and the damage it can inflict is enormous. Ron Spomer talked about a market hunter in Alaska named Frank Glaser, he worked for the Army and road building crews to keep them supplied with meat, his cartridge of choice the 220 Swift with 48 gr bullets. If you do not know the the 220 Swift is fastest commercially produced cartridge ever with a velocity of 4,665 fps(Wikipedia). Frank Glaser trapped/ hunted wolves, moose, Caribou, and even several grizzly bears with the 220 Swift, he stated moose and caribou just dropped when shot in the lungs with the 220 Swift. There was another trapper/hunter in Alberta Canada named Bella Twin in 1953 she killed a world record grizzly bear with a single shot 22LR rifle to the side of the head. She made sure the bear was dead with several follow up shots to the brain. When you consider with well built bullets like the Barnes TTSX and especially the 77 gr LRX have very high BC numbers, are ultra efficient in flight, penetrate deep, have less drift and drop than even the much lauded 6.5 crowd and with the ultra high velocities create damage patterns mimicking much larger cartridges it is understandable why the 22 caliber can be an lethal and ethical choice for harvesting game when the hunter does their job accurately placing the shot.
It’s been said time and time again that a .22 can kill almost any animal IF the shot is placed correctly, .223 is no different but why use the bare minimum to hunt? .223 is good for lightskin deer size game within 100-150yds but as far as elk and moose? There are far better choices for game of that size, let alone brown bears.
Unfortunately the energy of the 7.62 passed on through. Maybe a lighter weight bullet so that it could break up and all energy could transfer to the jug. Amazing what the 77 grain did though.
What we're seeing here is penetration capacity. What would be the outcome if there had been a second jug set up behind each of the three tested here? How much damage would have been done to the second target? What would happen if the jugs were set up at 500 yards instead of three. Air is fluid and has significant resistance when objects are moving as fast as bullets. People don't think about a bullet flight as penetration of Air. But that is essentially what happens.
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The little 5.56 may have had less kinetic energy at 300 yards, but it was able to impart a higher percentage of what it had into the jug than what the two larger rounds could do. Had there been two jugs in each shot, the 5.56 likely wouldn't have done as much damage to the second, even though the first would've been eviscerated.
Excellent video with a very well done testing protocol. The results belie what the figures on paper would suggest. I have a newfound respect for the 77gr 5.56. While others have pointed out that soft points in the other two calibers might have produced different results, there’s no denying the explosive power of the 5.56 at 300 yards. Thank you for your excellent testing work.
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Similar test were done in the 1960's during the military testing of the 5.56 round compared to the standard 7.62x51 M14 round. The evolution of the testing resulted in our military adopting the 5.56 and Mr. Stoner's M16 rifle over the standard M14 for service in Vietnam. Our military still uses some M14's in special applications & the 7.62x51 is still in use by our military in the " squad automatic rifles" and it is still in service all over the world as the 7.62NATO round.
That was pretty amazing to see. Definitely, not what I was expecting. That 147 grain and the 223 were exceptional rounds! I was really surprised at how explosive the .223 was at that distance. Thanks for the video! Hope to see more of them!
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I love comparisons like this! I honestly thot the 7.62 would have the most damage with its speed and mass. Hopefully one day you'll get sponsored and able to use the body ballistic gel.
If you're shooting a jug of water, there's nothing better than a 5.56. It fragments so easily that it makes for a fun show. Still has a lot less energy than a .308 has though. They both have their uses.
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Great job showing at distance difference between these two calibers. Not sure I was expecting that for an outcome, but it gives me mad respect for the 556. Surprisingly, this is exactly the kind of experiment I was hoping to see done. Picked up some 7.62x51 service grade M118LR recently so I can do a 200-yard sighting on my SFAR. Did well on ball ammo at 100 yards..working on putting out a short video in a couple days.
Thank you for your kind words. Much appreciated. The results were more impressive in person, especially when being able to see the hits through the scope. The camera can only do so much to convey what really happened…
Also, have you upgraded the trigger yet in your sfar to help with down range accuracy…. Without the benefit of a better trigger (on each rifle) I would not have been able to make those shots at 300…
@@outdooradventures1696 Time will tell after I shoot at distance. The trigger is light enough that it certainly makes it easier for accuracy, which is usually my biggest handicap, considering I have a muscle disorder. I fear that my biggest setback was getting a 1x6 scope. Should have went for more magnification. Keep up with the videos if you enjoy doing so. You did well, a lot of work and planning. I'll have to check out your other ones.
That is incredible and almost unbelievable. What the smaller faster bullet did. I am blown away. I literally thought perhaps there'd be a little less damage with the smaller one. But you know it would do okay. I can't even imagine it's weird.
After past conversation I've had and being in support of the 556, I am extremely impressed. I knew the 556 was excellent but not to this extreme. Blown away just doesn't seem to cover it. Thanks for demonstration
Idk if you are aware but the .308 had the best results. Kinetic energy moving through the medium of water not only lifted a 40 gallon jug but spin the container off.
I think it was PO Ackley who first introduced us to the power of small projectiles at very high velocities some 70 or so years ago. People scoffed when he told of the power of the 220 swift. Too bad he didn't have today's bullets to work with.
Great video not what I would have expected, I'm old so always been a 308 guy but there so heavy compared to 5.56. Nice to know if I had to run out the house and up thru the cornfields with a rifle and ammo I would feel better about carrying the 5.56 with 77 grain.
I am glad you used the ruger sfar 16" cause i just got one couple weeks ago 2 outings now bout 73 rounds now in working on loads fer it i really enjoyed yur videos bro nice job
From my personal experience of shooting various water jugs with different calibers is that the bullet type makes a huge difference, had the 7.62/51 - 308 cartridges been soft points, or the like, you'd have seen much more damage. The hollow point used here is a target orientated round, not an expanding hollow point. Having said that the smaller 223 round di far more than expected, but ultimately it's about transferring the energy from the bullet to the target and the 7.62/308 rounds powered through, where as the 223 dumped more energy into the water and jug, despite being the less powerful round.
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They each have their best uses, that's why, in Vietnam, where most engagement occured in under fifty yards, the 7.62x51 was far more than was needed, and full auto in an M14 was practically uncontrollable, but for the odd long-range shot, the 7.62 was available.
Nicely done. Good representation on hydrostatic shock. That energy dump from the 147 and especially the 77 @300yd is definitely impressive. Highly doubt all these folks running around with *truck guns* 10.5 and shorter will ever see results remotely close to the 18in used in this test. It's still extremely impressive. Thank you
This is ine of the most impressive and surprising test I have seen, and goes to show that numbers can be deceiving. Even though the 77gr carried over a 1/3 less "power", it seemed to inflict more chaos, perhaps from the 250+fps advantage. I would love to see this test performed again with a true HSC, perhaps with the high speed camera guys, or just a rented one. This was a wonderful video with results that that truly surprised me. I would have called the 168gr GMM for the win easily, and that didn't seem to be the case.
If the cap stayed on for the .308 it would have been the same results as the 7.62x51. If you had left the cap off the results would be the holes left behind.
Wait, what?? For reals you did an amazing job in this video. Thanx a bunch for making it and posting it. My mind is still trying to catch up on how destructive that little bullet is!!!!!
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Love the video. Thanks! I think a lot of guys think this concludes which is the better hunting round between the two, but forget that the presence of bones in the animal can totally disrupt this effect you’ve nicely shown. I think what it does conclude is which one is the best for varmits since the bones are smaller. Taking it to the extreme, momentum (mass x velocity) is a better determining factor on large, heavy, dangerous game rather than energy which puts more emphasis on velocity (KE=0.5 x mass x velocity x velocity). Of course bullet placement is always the ideal determining factor, but but most shots always come with the possibility that the bullet might encounter bone before taking out the heart or lungs.
It certainly shows what damage that a hollow point heavy for caliber bullet will do in the 223. I am more amazed at with 147 grain ball round did as compared to the two hollow-point rounds. For me it's 308 all day, and that really opened my eyes as to what the ball round did compared to hollow points. I have a lot more confidence in my 308 with 147 grain ball ammo. Great video
Keep in mind, Open Tip Match (OTP) rounds do not function like a traditional hollow point. The open tip is to help with the flight of the round, but doesn't cause expansion. You need a hunting projectile usually for expansion in rifle rounds. Using a soft tip or one of the polymer tip hunting rounds would have had a more energy transfer into the jug and a bigger show. The first round just zipped through the jug, based on that exit hole.
@@jasonk.3182 Now try that experiment with a 243 Winchester and a varmint round. A 55gr bullet out of a 243 is pushing 4000 fps. Hit a water jug with a 243 using a 55 gr Sierra Blitz King and you time the jug for hang time, lol....
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High velocity and bullet fragmentation generate a more explosive wound channel or water displacement with the smaller caliber but when it comes to game animals where bone and flesh absorb the impact of the bullet everything changes. Lack of penitration and grenaiding projectiles can cause superficial wounding. A bonded bullet like Bond Strike or Speer Impact will hold together giving a passthrough while still giving a large energy dump. Water is an ok medium as long as you use wood to simulate bone for a realistic test.
Yes, bonded makes a difference. I have hunted whitetail deer for decades but in the last 10 years or so, I have only hunted with a .223 in a 26” barrel bolt action instead of my usual .270. I have always had a pass through with an exit hole of at least .50 caliber. I have never had a deer go more than maybe 15 yards. I usually hunt about 100 yards so never at a long range. In fact if I was going to reach out 200 or more yards I would probably go with the .270. But… my longest kill ever was at 118 yards ( according to the range finder) with the .223. It was a buck quartering at me so not an optimal shot choice but it was getting late. The 62gr bonded round (Federal LE223T3) went through the left shoulder joint, shattering the bones and continued through the heart and exited the other side. The deer rose up on his hind legs, walked a couple of steps and the fell dead. I had a friend with me in the blind witness it and when we cleaned the deer, he could not believe the round went through the joint and still at an angle (making it travel farther), exited the other side. The leg joint appeared to be no hinderance at all. At a longer range? The .223 would probably be lacking and certainly more so than a more standard deer cartridge like the .270, .308, etc. Within a little over 100 yards, the bones didn’t seem to have much to do with the effectiveness of the round. I am fairly certain that the hunting rifle barrel instead of a short 16” AR type barrel probably had a lot to do with it.
That was a very impressive & precise display of results. Thank you! I found the 5.56 results more devastating than I expected.
Thank you Mr. Shapiro for being generous with your compliments. Much appreciated. I (along with many others), tend to agree with your findings about the 5.56...
Remember, that he used a hollow point for the 556
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@@mellovato2177all 3 were hollows
It's almost like Mr. Stoner knew what he was doing.
Exact opposite of what I thought would happen . Thanks for taking the time.
Our USMC boot camp drill instructor told us that 5.56 had the advantage of causing more interal organ damage to the enemy because the round was more unstable after impact, causing the bullet to tumble and scatter. By comparison, he taught us that the 7.62 was more powerful but had a piercing effect as opposed to the disintegrating effect like the 5.56.
The instructor shot a tree trunk in front of us with a 7.62 rifle and the bullet went through the trunk, creating a clean hole all the way to the other side. This video confirms what I learned in boot camp. Thank you.
Which means be careful what size tree you use for cover. The big issue with the 762 is you lose your sight picture when you fire. It takes a second or two to acquire. With the 556 there’s virtually no recoil and you can keep piling them in one after the other on semi automatic, making it much more accurate for combat use. The thing it lacks is penetrating walls. The other thing that people forget unless they’ve humped the bush is the weight of that stuff. Lead is heavy and the difference between 308 and 556 is major.
The big surprise for me was the shock of that 77, grain 556 round. That’s incredible that range in particular. I wonder how the drop profile compares to your 68 and 55😢 grain standard ball rounds.
The 5.56 ball needs speed to perform properly. It doesn't do it from a short barrel.
The 77 grain OTM has MASSIVE energy transfer. The jacket is super thin, so it shatters the front half, massive energy dump. The shank will sometimes continue on.
That demo showed me that a faster round goes in and out too quickly for the hydroshock to form to its fullest. While that 77 grain did allow it to form to its fullest, causing more destruction.
@@jamiepatterson1214 However the 77gr 5.56 is actually the faster round :)
Holy crap! I’m sold on 5.56 round. Thank you for proving how effective this round truly is.
No 308 round is necessary for me.
Awesome video. 5.56 has always impressed me. Amazing what that little projectile can do.
Thank you for your compliment. Much appreciated.
Bullet design is everything. 5.56 was a hollow point and usually with enough velocity open up (mushroom) and more damage. 7.51 and 308 were ball rounds and poke a simple hole.
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@@vuv9520only one was ball. One was an open tip match. Technically a hollow point since the tip was followed out. Mostly designed for accuracy, but so is the 77 gr 556. That’s an otm too so I think the just opening really caused a lot of pressure relief for the otm 308 and that’s y it didn’t look as good.
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Beyond the information in the video, which was very good, the frame by frame analysis at the end was exceptionally well done. This is the first video I have seen that has gone into that much detail. Full credit for doing a good job with this video.
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Okay...I'll admit, I was surprised by the results!
The 5.56 was far more impressive than I was expecting.
It seems to be the velocity greatly increases the effect...at least on water jugs.
Next, I'd like to see cinder blocks used as targets, I'd suspect the bigger yet slower bullets might do better.
But I don't know; therefore thank you for this video, I appreciate seeing those slow motion pics.
Very interesting.
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The 16" barrel handicapped the 308 compared to an 18" barrel for the 5.56. The 308 really gains velocity with the longer barrel, out to about 22" or so.
Thank you Mr. Claus for taking the time to watch the video and for sharing some intelligent food for thought.
In fact, both calibers were somewhat handicapped by barrel length. They both would have benefited from longer length barrels (especially if both were test fired from a bolt action.)
At a very close distance like 50 or 100 yards this would have been a greater factor to consider, but at a distance of 300 yards, with both rounds having a chance to lose a lot of velocity I would have thought that the .308 could have easily overcome the difference in barrel length.
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@@dylandewd5356 Correct
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I'd like to see more centered hits... 1ft off target on 308... Come on...
It Looks Like The Old 5.56 Is Definitely A Highly Effective Round Out To 300 Yards!
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Would be interesting to see how the 168 gr would have faired if the cap of the jug would have stayed on like the other two, It looks like it made a good relief valve.
I agree with you, a rerun without failure of the cap would, I think, have much different results.
Agreed, would like to see another test. Is it possible that the initial pressure upon impact is significant enough that the cap would come off no matter what?
hydrostatic shock !
The cap didn’t fail. The 168 gr projectile is moving much slower, so it gave the cap time to “react”.
The faster moving projectiles did not give the cap time to react and blew the wall instead of the cap.
Velocity out ways mass every time.
The nazi’s were a prime example of mass, had a cannon bigger than a locomotive, sure it could reek havoc., But Tesla knew if you fired a grain of sand at a 100,000 fps that the devastation would be immense. “Particle beam accelerator “
although shots 2 n 3 seem to show speed is better than weight for damage....idk
That was simply amazing and not what I was expecting. You’ve done a great job in showing how effective the Mk262 round is. It helps explain why it was such a coveted round in the Middle East war.
Thank you for your compliment. Much appreciated.
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Technically, it's not a MK262 as that is only produced by Black Hills. That said, this sig version of the 262 seemed to have better numbers than I get from my lot of BH MK263, which clocks in at 2,779fps from my 18" white oak. I'm very impressed with this Sig version and now have to try it. I reload a 77gr using IMR8208xbr which I have gotten up to 2,836 in 10 shot avg as opposed to the BH MK262 at 2,779.
Either way, this is ine of the most impressive and surprising test I have seen, and goes to show that numbers can be deceiving.
Maybe even a 300 black out
Thought the impact of the 5.56 was more impressive of the three. Absolutely amazing.
It seems like you are not alone in your views.
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Did not expect those results at all . Good video I enjoyed it .
Very surprising results.
Thanks for the very informative video.
Velocity is the key to hydrostatic shock. The water won’t compress. The energy from the higher speed round creates the explosion.
and humans are mostly water
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That was really cool. I’d love to see other .223 and 5.56 rounds. Namely 62 and 55 grain…I suppose I could get off my lazy butt and do it myself. But your camera work and narration is excellent. Thanks!
Lol…edit…just subbed and checked out your channel…and there’s the videos! On my way to see what happens!
NICE
Great looking show! Excellent job!
Fantastic demo. Thank you
I'm theorizing that the 5.56 77 gr tumbled and broke up, expending all striking force in the jug. The heavier 168gr / 147 gr bullets, with higher striking force, remained more stable and punched through, only expending partial striking force in the jug. Trying the same test again with soft point hunting ammo in all calibers would allow the heavier .308 bullets to expend most bullet striking force in the jug. In testing .31 and .36 caliber cap and ball revolvers, using original 1850's era pointed conical bullets moving at ~900 fps, the little .31 80 grain conical actually had more explosive damage on the 1st 1 gallon water jug than the .36 125 grain conical even though the 125 grain .36 actually has about 60% greater striking force. The reason was because the .31 cal 80 grain conical tumbled on impact, while the .36 125 gr conical punched straight thru!
I think you are right. The impact on the dirt behind the jug seems to have a lot more energy with the .308 than with the 5.56.
Yeah, I was wondering if a 1 in 8 was enough to stabilize such a heavy 5.56 round. A 55 grain or 62 grain, sure.
@@section8usmc53 1:8 is actually the preferred twist rate for shooting 77gr ammo. The reason 1:7 exists is to be able to stabilize tracers from my understanding. Looking at a tracer outside of the case it is considerably longer than 77gr otm
At 12:00 minutes I see what appears to be a round hole not a key hole
WELL SAID
Thanks for taking the time to make this. The outcome was not what I was expecting!
Great job! Very well presented and surprisingly educational 😊
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For years there has been a debate about using 22 caliber bullets to hunt deer and even larger game, this test goes to show the .224 bullet at high velocity creates a massive pressure wave and the damage it can inflict is enormous. Ron Spomer talked about a market hunter in Alaska named Frank Glaser, he worked for the Army and road building crews to keep them supplied with meat, his cartridge of choice the 220 Swift with 48 gr bullets. If you do not know the the 220 Swift is fastest commercially produced cartridge ever with a velocity of 4,665 fps(Wikipedia). Frank Glaser trapped/ hunted wolves, moose, Caribou, and even several grizzly bears with the 220 Swift, he stated moose and caribou just dropped when shot in the lungs with the 220 Swift. There was another trapper/hunter in Alberta Canada named Bella Twin in 1953 she killed a world record grizzly bear with a single shot 22LR rifle to the side of the head. She made sure the bear was dead with several follow up shots to the brain. When you consider with well built bullets like the Barnes TTSX and especially the 77 gr LRX have very high BC numbers, are ultra efficient in flight, penetrate deep, have less drift and drop than even the much lauded 6.5 crowd and with the ultra high velocities create damage patterns mimicking much larger cartridges it is understandable why the 22 caliber can be an lethal and ethical choice for harvesting game when the hunter does their job accurately placing the shot.
Alot of Alaskans use .270 win. Very good round.
Unless your a crack shot and know exactly what's vital and how to angle the shots just right big game would just get pissed off
It’s been said time and time again that a .22 can kill almost any animal IF the shot is placed correctly, .223 is no different but why use the bare minimum to hunt? .223 is good for lightskin deer size game within 100-150yds but as far as elk and moose? There are far better choices for game of that size, let alone brown bears.
If you know how to aim
Most deer Hunters blast
And consider the smaller caliber gun is lighter and you can carry more ammunition for less weight. This was literally the logic for Stoner.
Great video. Thank you for taking the time to make and post.
Thank you
Excellent video and description, thanks.
Unfortunately the energy of the 7.62 passed on through. Maybe a lighter weight bullet so that it could break up and all energy could transfer to the jug. Amazing what the 77 grain did though.
What we're seeing here is penetration capacity. What would be the outcome if there had been a second jug set up behind each of the three tested here? How much damage would have been done to the second target? What would happen if the jugs were set up at 500 yards instead of three. Air is fluid and has significant resistance when objects are moving as fast as bullets. People don't think about a bullet flight as penetration of Air. But that is essentially what happens.
I imagine a second jug from the 168gr would look like the 77gr from the first jug.
A V-MAX would be perfext for this...
Thank you Pumpkoi for your ideas and enthusiasm on the v-max. You will be pleased to hear that the v-max version(s) are already filmed and are being edited now...
A hollow point varmint bullet would expand and dump energy with the 308’s.
Looks like you’re doing that next…. 😎
WOW! The energy hitting is impressive!
BEST video I have EVER seen on this subject. Thank you! 🎉
Thank you for your kind words and for being generous with your compliments. Much appreciated.
Fascinating results! Well done.
Thank you.
The little 5.56 may have had less kinetic energy at 300 yards, but it was able to impart a higher percentage of what it had into the jug than what the two larger rounds could do. Had there been two jugs in each shot, the 5.56 likely wouldn't have done as much damage to the second, even though the first would've been eviscerated.
very interesting results from the 5.56, thanks for the video
Agreed...
Exactly what I expected. I've owned a mini-14 for decades and I have seen some impressive performance from this little cartridge.
Excellent video with a very well done testing protocol. The results belie what the figures on paper would suggest. I have a newfound respect for the 77gr 5.56. While others have pointed out that soft points in the other two calibers might have produced different results, there’s no denying the explosive power of the 5.56 at 300 yards. Thank you for your excellent testing work.
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I reload 5.56 on a Dillon XL650.
I have 100 rounds loaded of the 77 grain projectiles. They are devastating. Love em.
Subscribed. Very well presented with the numbers and how those numbers translated to actual target impact. Thank you.
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This was an excellent and informative presentation!
Thank you Mr. Smith for your kind words. Much appreciated.
Nice shooting, frame by frame. Thank you.
I love the 223/556 and great shooting,thanks
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that was surprising and educational. thank you for running the experiment.
Thank you for your kind words. Much appreciated.
Awesome results! Keep up the great works.
Thank you for the encouraging words. Much appreciated. 👍🙂
Excellent useful information!
Awesome video and great information!!! Thanks
i think i need more 77 gr otm for my arsenal! Awesome comparison, thank you!
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Very good, some eye opening results.
Similar test were done in the 1960's during the military testing of the 5.56 round compared to the standard 7.62x51 M14 round. The evolution of the testing resulted in our military adopting the 5.56 and Mr. Stoner's M16 rifle over the standard M14 for service in Vietnam. Our military still uses some M14's in special applications & the 7.62x51 is still in use by our military in the " squad automatic rifles" and it is still in service all over the world as the 7.62NATO round.
That was pretty amazing to see. Definitely, not what I was expecting. That 147 grain and the 223 were exceptional rounds! I was really surprised at how explosive the .223 was at that distance. Thanks for the video! Hope to see more of them!
Man though that 9mm
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Wow, not what I expected. Very well made video.
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Loved it!! Cool vid, well done!👍🏻
really well done vid, congrats and thank you!
I was NOT expecting that!
That’s awesome….great attention to detail
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Data ,results comparison, organized thought make this well done !
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Well done. I enjoyed how you narrated what you were doing as you were doing it. ie: walking up to each water bottle that we just shot with a…
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I love comparisons like this! I honestly thot the 7.62 would have the most damage with its speed and mass. Hopefully one day you'll get sponsored and able to use the body ballistic gel.
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If you're shooting a jug of water, there's nothing better than a 5.56. It fragments so easily that it makes for a fun show. Still has a lot less energy than a .308 has though. They both have their uses.
5.56 was a hollow point. 7.62 were ball.
The 762 does do the most damage .. let’s go to Kodiak
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I thought this comparison would be silly, i stand corrected.
Awesome video! not weighed down with crappy music or stupid shots of gun nuts wearing cringy wrap around sunglasses standing in front of their Ford 150s. Precise, educational, and to the point. Subscribed, thank you!
Great job showing at distance difference between these two calibers. Not sure I was expecting that for an outcome, but it gives me mad respect for the 556. Surprisingly, this is exactly the kind of experiment I was hoping to see done.
Picked up some 7.62x51 service grade M118LR recently so I can do a 200-yard sighting on my SFAR. Did well on ball ammo at 100 yards..working on putting out a short video in a couple days.
Thank you for your kind words. Much appreciated. The results were more impressive in person, especially when being able to see the hits through the scope. The camera can only do so much to convey what really happened…
Also, have you upgraded the trigger yet in your sfar to help with down range accuracy….
Without the benefit of a better trigger (on each rifle) I would not have been able to make those shots at 300…
@@outdooradventures1696 Time will tell after I shoot at distance. The trigger is light enough that it certainly makes it easier for accuracy, which is usually my biggest handicap, considering I have a muscle disorder. I fear that my biggest setback was getting a 1x6 scope. Should have went for more magnification.
Keep up with the videos if you enjoy doing so. You did well, a lot of work and planning. I'll have to check out your other ones.
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Nicely done. Thank you.
I love these types of videos! 👍🏼🇺🇸
A really good video for all the haters and doubters of .556. An excellent performer and reliable round.
That 5.56 was definitely devastating can’t believe it did that wow.
The 308 had more penitration follow through as it came out the back and imbeded itself in the top of the bank. Works for me.
That is incredible and almost unbelievable. What the smaller faster bullet did. I am blown away. I literally thought perhaps there'd be a little less damage with the smaller one. But you know it would do okay. I can't even imagine it's weird.
After past conversation I've had and being in support of the 556, I am extremely impressed. I knew the 556 was excellent but not to this extreme. Blown away just doesn't seem to cover it. Thanks for demonstration
Idk if you are aware but the .308 had the best results. Kinetic energy moving through the medium of water not only lifted a 40 gallon jug but spin the container off.
I think it was PO Ackley who first introduced us to the power of small projectiles at very high velocities some 70 or so years ago. People scoffed when he told of the power of the 220 swift. Too bad he didn't have today's bullets to work with.
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Great video not what I would have expected, I'm old so always been a 308 guy but there so heavy compared to 5.56. Nice to know if I had to run out the house and up thru the cornfields with a rifle and ammo I would feel better about carrying the 5.56 with 77 grain.
Fantastic video. Really surprising as well.
I am glad you used the ruger sfar 16" cause i just got one couple weeks ago 2 outings now bout 73 rounds now in working on loads fer it i really enjoyed yur videos bro nice job
Thank you.
this was an awesome video to watch!
Great ammo choice.
Very impressive photography. Congrats on this great video.
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Fantastic video right combo of bullets and distance
Would have never guessed the results-reverse of what I would have thought!
From my personal experience of shooting various water jugs with different calibers is that the bullet type makes a huge difference, had the 7.62/51 - 308 cartridges been soft points, or the like, you'd have seen much more damage. The hollow point used here is a target orientated round, not an expanding hollow point. Having said that the smaller 223 round di far more than expected, but ultimately it's about transferring the energy from the bullet to the target and the 7.62/308 rounds powered through, where as the 223 dumped more energy into the water and jug, despite being the less powerful round.
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That hollow point expands...much more so than the soft points which are disigned to retain weight as the HP does not do as well.
The water spout from the 223 looks like a dragon taking flight. Not what I expected from that comparison. 👍🏻
An active imagination....I love it..
Very nice video.
They each have their best uses, that's why, in Vietnam, where most engagement occured in under fifty yards, the 7.62x51 was far more than was needed, and full auto in an M14 was practically uncontrollable, but for the odd long-range shot, the 7.62 was available.
Nicely done. Good representation on hydrostatic shock. That energy dump from the 147 and especially the 77 @300yd is definitely impressive. Highly doubt all these folks running around with *truck guns* 10.5 and shorter will ever see results remotely close to the 18in used in this test. It's still extremely impressive. Thank you
Great video thank you 556 is devastating
Great job, very interesting results.
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This is ine of the most impressive and surprising test I have seen, and goes to show that numbers can be deceiving. Even though the 77gr carried over a 1/3 less "power", it seemed to inflict more chaos, perhaps from the 250+fps advantage.
I would love to see this test performed again with a true HSC, perhaps with the high speed camera guys, or just a rented one.
This was a wonderful video with results that that truly surprised me. I would have called the 168gr GMM for the win easily, and that didn't seem to be the case.
If the cap stayed on for the .308 it would have been the same results as the 7.62x51. If you had left the cap off the results would be the holes left behind.
Wait, what?? For reals you did an amazing job in this video. Thanx a bunch for making it and posting it. My mind is still trying to catch up on how destructive that little bullet is!!!!!
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Interesting results
I love my Savage .308 but those results are pretty conclusive. Sheesh. Glad I got a 5.56 too, ha-ha! Nice comparo! And thank you.
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Very good video. I'm surprised at the 5.56. I Very much like that you did all of these at 300 yards.
Excellent video. That was amazing.
Thank you for your kind words. Much appreciated.
Well done, sir.
The little 5.56 cartridge comes through with outstanding results! 👍
Love the video. Thanks! I think a lot of guys think this concludes which is the better hunting round between the two, but forget that the presence of bones in the animal can totally disrupt this effect you’ve nicely shown. I think what it does conclude is which one is the best for varmits since the bones are smaller. Taking it to the extreme, momentum (mass x velocity) is a better determining factor on large, heavy, dangerous game rather than energy which puts more emphasis on velocity (KE=0.5 x mass x velocity x velocity). Of course bullet placement is always the ideal determining factor, but but most shots always come with the possibility that the bullet might encounter bone before taking out the heart or lungs.
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Great test. Keep it up 👍
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Good and interesting video. Great shooting! Thanks for sharing. Take care.
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The 556 shocked me. Wow!!!
It certainly shows what damage that a hollow point heavy for caliber bullet will do in the 223.
I am more amazed at with 147 grain ball round did as compared to the two hollow-point rounds. For me it's 308 all day, and that really opened my eyes as to what the ball round did compared to hollow points. I have a lot more confidence in my 308 with 147 grain ball ammo. Great video
Keep in mind, Open Tip Match (OTP) rounds do not function like a traditional hollow point. The open tip is to help with the flight of the round, but doesn't cause expansion. You need a hunting projectile usually for expansion in rifle rounds. Using a soft tip or one of the polymer tip hunting rounds would have had a more energy transfer into the jug and a bigger show. The first round just zipped through the jug, based on that exit hole.
@@jasonk.3182 Now try that experiment with a 243 Winchester and a varmint round. A 55gr bullet out of a 243 is pushing 4000 fps. Hit a water jug with a 243 using a 55 gr Sierra Blitz King and you time the jug for hang time, lol....
He should try a liberty defense 100 grain 308 round which goes 3800 fps out of a 22 inch barrel.
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That 308 ball round did better than I would have thought
I completely agree...
The use of soft point expanding bullets provide impressive results no matter the cartridge/ caliber.
Very surprised here. That 77 grain 556 was devastating. Good video Sir and thank you
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High velocity and bullet fragmentation generate a more explosive wound channel or water displacement with the smaller caliber but when it comes to game animals where bone and flesh absorb the impact of the bullet everything changes. Lack of penitration and grenaiding projectiles can cause superficial wounding. A bonded bullet like Bond Strike or Speer Impact will hold together giving a passthrough while still giving a large energy dump. Water is an ok medium as long as you use wood to simulate bone for a realistic test.
Yes, bonded makes a difference.
I have hunted whitetail deer for decades but in the last 10 years or so, I have only hunted with a .223 in a 26” barrel bolt action instead of my usual .270.
I have always had a pass through with an exit hole of at least .50 caliber. I have never had a deer go more than maybe 15 yards.
I usually hunt about 100 yards so never at a long range. In fact if I was going to reach out 200 or more yards I would probably go with the .270.
But… my longest kill ever was at 118 yards ( according to the range finder) with the .223. It was a buck quartering at me so not an optimal shot choice but it was getting late.
The 62gr bonded round (Federal LE223T3) went through the left shoulder joint, shattering the bones and continued through the heart and exited the other side. The deer rose up on his hind legs, walked a couple of steps and the fell dead.
I had a friend with me in the blind witness it and when we cleaned the deer, he could not believe the round went through the joint and still at an angle (making it travel farther), exited the other side. The leg joint appeared to be no hinderance at all.
At a longer range? The .223 would probably be lacking and certainly more so than a more standard deer cartridge like the .270, .308, etc.
Within a little over 100 yards, the bones didn’t seem to have much to do with the effectiveness of the round. I am fairly certain that the hunting rifle barrel instead of a short 16” AR type barrel probably had a lot to do with it.
Amazing!