this was abysmal testing. 1. When you test an already damaged gel block with another round, the tearing/pockets by the first round will have an effect. you need to use 1 gel block per bullet type then align them parallel and view through them all at once. 2. when you test them all you need to get to the end and compare them side by side.
Very true. With Ammo shortages right now, that's all i was able to find for 308. I went with green tip 5.56 as it is the 'strongest' variant for it. Unfair testing but does give an idea of how they stack, all things considered.
@@toolsoffreedom407i wanna thank you for you time and I also understand it’s difficult to find ammo. Just wanted to point out it’s an apples vs oranges. When ammo gets back circulation try it with soft point. Watch how the results differ. Keep up the good work and thank you again.
Yeah, not to be a stickler, but I was just about to mention that it drives me crazy, that in any video they test .308 vs anything else, they always use soft point 🙄 if you can find it, try 168 grain HPBT for .308 and you'll get a nice wound channel
@@toolsoffreedom407 or to be truly equal, and not break the bank on ammo; just use fmjs for all of them, and then you're truly just comparing the round and not the bullet, if you take my meaning.
I am glad to see others talk about the difference in bullet dynamics between the soft points that expand quickly and the FMJ. The better test would be to use all fmj
@@toolsoffreedom407 you had 3 blocks, put a new block in front where 99% of damage is so it's easy to see and put previous shot blocks behind.... "rotate". It isn't rocket science lmao
They all went through 2 walls. The 3rd wall split was caused by the split of the first 2 walls. Its very obvious with the 308 round. ….I will need more Dremamine for next one.
And are you able to shoulder it just fine? Or mostly used on bench? People keep telling me the weight is a downfall. But the way I see it, someone better be pretty accurate with the 5.56 bc the .308 has more stopping power.
Thanks for the video. Maybe next time a cylinder block on top of the ballistic gel will prevent the blocks for deforming so much and allowing the bullet to exit from the top.
Thanks for watching and the feedback! Will probably try it, but the blocks deforming is what its all about i think. It shows how different rounds react to the gel. So rounds coming out of the gel is not always bad, it shows how the bullets tend to behave on soft material.
Ah, that makes sense. But you would obtain a more precise depth of penetration if the blocks were secured (for us anal retentive types). Great video though.
Better if it was apple to apples .. use FMJ on 5.56, 7×62×39 and 308 .. green tip for the 5.56 is for armor piercing round .. 308 rifle use a short barrel to match the other rifles .. make it as comparable as it can be .. maybe your results maybe very different then ..
Great video. Very interesting. I use 308 for deer hunting and I love it. Good all purpose round. May try hunting with 7.62x39 this year but finding good hunting ammo in that caliber is tough, especially now! Thanks for the good work. Ps: I have the same exact Ruger American in 308. Best bolt rifle for the money!
I live in Florida, and we have smaller deer than most states, and I know a lot of good hunters that tried the 7.62x 39 and they never found the deer they shot. They found just a few drops of blood at the place deer was shot, but no more blood. Not trying to discourage you, just what I was told. Almost all of them was using the SKS!😅
I hunt with alot of different caliber rifles and the 7.62x39 is good on big deer, I even took a cow elk. I used 154gr. soft points the rifle was a cz 527 7.62x39. Regards from MT.
Nice video bro 😎 I’ve had an AR (5.56) for years now but just recently got an AK (7.62x39). I used to have a 30-06 but as I got older the beating on my shoulder got to be too much when I’d run a couple of boxes though it. I’ve never shot a 308 though I hear the recoil is less than a 30-06. I may have to try one some day.
If you get your 30-06 barrel threaded and add a muzzle brake, it becomes much more pleasant to shoot. Multi-layer rubber buttpads are nice too. Edit: there are also clamp on muzzle brakes if you don't wanna bother with threading.
i have 308 compact ruger american 18 inch . now i used heavy grain 185. i have shot 30 06 and unless u using the heavy grain on the 30 06 then it will be much different but usually is 185 240 on the 30 06 but it balances on the rifle weight now my rifle has boyds wood stock so is not light weight . i will say its pretty much the same unless you are using 308 140 150 grain tops it will be much less recoil but still 308 is heavy no matter what you will have to come down another notch caliber if you want less recoil because i feel you i have arthritis and back issues but again when you come down in caliber you will not feel the power of a 308 or 30 06 calibers
Great video.... would like to see what the green tip would have done in the 20 inch barrel..... probably a little more damage due to higher velocity...
By the third or fourth time you said “next up is the .308”, I started looking right, left, and behind me 😭. I was actually really tired and started to doze off where I was sitting, at that exact moment. So I thought he was talking to me to wake up 😭 such a weird coincidence, and very unsettling to think the guy on my phone on youtube can see me and interact with me from a pre recorded video lmao
Thank you for this test. So the 308 is best in this test & if in bear country, use Nosler Partition or equivalent for controlled expansion to insure depth.
You need to change block after shooting each caliber to avoid a mess to have a possible to see a clean destruction of each bullet without anything else of another cartridges
The tulammo is definitely inferior ammo. Good for plinking, self defense and thats about it. I would never recommend it for hunting or competition shooting. It's hard to find better ammo. Every gun store only has cheap steel cased 7.62x39.
@@toolsoffreedom407 yep police and politicians don't see leftist burning and murdering on our streets then leftist storm the capitol and every weak willed spinless idiot politician decides they will give the country to communists because some kids got antsy. I know, I have a little left for home protection and some steel case which i won't shoot till I can get more
a scoped 308(with a talented shooter, plus right ammo for its job) is the perfect sniping tool for support in mid-long urban combat, a well placed 308 round disables any human, stops cars and light trucks, and weights almost 60% the total weight of a .50 kit rifle,ammo,scope,etc.
308 is definitely a very capable round. It's not going anywhere anytime soon. The 5.56 might disappear before 308 as the new 6.8mm is right around the corner. The most versatile caliber by far.
I have never ever seen a 308 stop a car. You may disable it eventually after it travels a substantial distance but you will not stop it. Not even 50 cal with AP round…the vehicle will keep rolling/driving for some time. There is no such thing as stopping a car with rifle bullet. Its a myth. Pure physics….you are putting a rifle bullet weight energy against a 4000lb vehicle bullet.
Yeah, even a .50 is going to have issues stopping a vehicle in one hit, .308 is gonna take many many more then the one to stop it in a meaningful distance. By that I mean that vehicle might be damaged, but it’s gonna keep rolling for a fair bit longer then you would think. Get your vehicle going at 30mph and put it in neutral, check how long it takes to stop with no brakes, now judge if that distance is still within your effective range. .308 might take out the driver, and if your lucky they spasm and jam a foot on the brakes, other then that that vehicle is going to be out of your effective range.
I liked this just now. One question, is the green tip on the 5.56 not meaning a fragnenting type, thus least possible penetration? What is that one instead?
everyone complained about the "apples to oranges" aspect of the video. But data is data is data. It still helps us to quantify things. for example, if someone owns those 3 guns, those might be the exact 3 types of ammo they use. They might use the green tips for 556, and everyone loves the steel ammo for 762 and they might have soft point 308 for hunting. cheers
Thank you brother! So far it's been all good. Shooting cinder blocks or paper plates or ballistics gel there isn't ricochets. Only some concrete flying back to me, but with the sunglasses i wear has been enough. Might take it back a little bit. I do it mainly so everything is in frame and looks good, and to give the round its best possible chance. Love the support brother. Cheers 🍻
Ok, but a full metal jacket 308 would outmatched the other two by far. I know because I use fmj in my 308 for practice (our military use it, so its very cheap here)
What’s the point in shooting FMJ for any test? That round is for paper plinking/cheap ammo. Serves no purpose for anything other than shooting for fun. Test soft or hollows on targets. Those are primary target rounds
If you would hit with the 7.62 the center of the block you would have the same result or better also you didn't show the velocity of it which means you you wanted put the 7.62 on third place from the beginning. It's not fair. 👎
I stated that the chronograph was acting up, and doesn't show a reading every time. Also, it doesn't matter where you hit the block, as long as is not the edges. And i prefer to shoot 7.62x39. Its cheaper anf mor fun. I like AKs over ARs.
Imagine if humans populated numerous planets with different gravities and atmospheres. How much more complex and interesting the ballistics would be lol
I REDID THIS VIDEO USING ONLY FMJs MAKING THE TEST MORE FAIR FOR EVERY ROUND, ENJOY
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this was abysmal testing. 1. When you test an already damaged gel block with another round, the tearing/pockets by the first round will have an effect. you need to use 1 gel block per bullet type then align them parallel and view through them all at once. 2. when you test them all you need to get to the end and compare them side by side.
Why did you use soft points rounds that are made to expand and not penetrate...not fair for the 308..
Where did you get those tactical tattoo sleeves?
Mild steel 556 vs fmj 7.62x39 vs soft point 308 every bullet has a complete different bullet construction.
Very true. With Ammo shortages right now, that's all i was able to find for 308. I went with green tip 5.56 as it is the 'strongest' variant for it. Unfair testing but does give an idea of how they stack, all things considered.
@@toolsoffreedom407i wanna thank you for you time and I also understand it’s difficult to find ammo. Just wanted to point out it’s an apples vs oranges. When ammo gets back circulation try it with soft point. Watch how the results differ. Keep up the good work and thank you again.
Yeah, not to be a stickler, but I was just about to mention that it drives me crazy, that in any video they test .308 vs anything else, they always use soft point 🙄 if you can find it, try 168 grain HPBT for .308 and you'll get a nice wound channel
@@sorenottomybuddy I'll definitely look into it. The best possible ammo for the AK too and revisit.
@@toolsoffreedom407 or to be truly equal, and not break the bank on ammo; just use fmjs for all of them, and then you're truly just comparing the round and not the bullet, if you take my meaning.
I am glad to see others talk about the difference in bullet dynamics between the soft points that expand quickly and the FMJ. The better test would be to use all fmj
Even basic FMJs behave differently on impact based on many factors.
And he’s shooting them all out of different barrel length
On the cinderblock test your AK bullet hit the block where it was the strongest versus the others hit at the weakest part of the block , IMO .
It is impressive what the 5.56 and the 308 could do to the blocks. Great demonstration man.
Next time try the same type bllets not soft tips against armor piercing
I have finally found all fmj brass cased with similar properties for all 3 cartridges, so will redo the video very soon.
Great test but, if you had 3 GEL blocks, why not use 1 block per bullet type? That last 308 demo was hard to see.
For me to only use only one bullet per srt of blocks, I need a few more. There's always the what if it goes through the whole block
@@toolsoffreedom407 you had 3 blocks, put a new block in front where 99% of damage is so it's easy to see and put previous shot blocks behind.... "rotate". It isn't rocket science lmao
They all went through 2 walls. The 3rd wall split was caused by the split of the first 2 walls. Its very obvious with the 308 round. ….I will need more Dremamine for next one.
The anticipated recoil when he squeezed the trigger on that first shot was hilarious
On a 5.56 yet! Head was up so fast I thought he might actually miss.
This is exactly what I was looking for!
Lots of hard work man. Good job
Yeah, I just traded one of my AR-15's for an AR-10 in .308. It is a beast of a rifle, shoots nice, big bullets, and will reach out farther, easier.
How are you liking that chamber switch? And what size did you opt for? I’m in the market for a 16” AR10 or AR15 at the moment.
And are you able to shoulder it just fine? Or mostly used on bench? People keep telling me the weight is a downfall. But the way I see it, someone better be pretty accurate with the 5.56 bc the .308 has more stopping power.
@@georgehernandez1502 5.56 is a more accurate round than the.308 when it comes for average engagement distances
Thanks for the video. Maybe next time a cylinder block on top of the ballistic gel will prevent the blocks for deforming so much and allowing the bullet to exit from the top.
Thanks for watching and the feedback! Will probably try it, but the blocks deforming is what its all about i think. It shows how different rounds react to the gel. So rounds coming out of the gel is not always bad, it shows how the bullets tend to behave on soft material.
Ah, that makes sense. But you would obtain a more precise depth of penetration if the blocks were secured (for us anal retentive types). Great video though.
Will try it out on the next rifle video. Handgun calibers tend to go straight most of the time.
Great video!
Better if it was apple to apples .. use FMJ on 5.56, 7×62×39 and 308 .. green tip for the 5.56 is for armor piercing round .. 308 rifle use a short barrel to match the other rifles .. make it as comparable as it can be .. maybe your results maybe very different then ..
Great job 👍
Thank you brother!
Gracias por tu video saludos desde México 🇲🇽 me gusto muchísimo tu video cuídate mucho hermano
That's awesome 👌
I had a really fun time making this one!
Excellent video dude
We would like to see long range accuracy and effectiveness from same platforms you use
Sucks, Mattis turned out to be a swamp creature. But great video! Exactly what I was looking for thanks man!
Yes the biggest in dc turned out to be the pentagon
If you're going to do a comparison at least get the same type of bullet. 308 fmj likely fly thru the whole stack
I did. I made a new video only using fmjs, no green tip
Good job, thanks for the video
Great video man don’t listen to people telling you what to do. I liked the rounds you chose
Thanks brother appreciate it! I know there's always gonna be people who aren't happy.
Great video. Very interesting. I use 308 for deer hunting and I love it. Good all purpose round. May try hunting with 7.62x39 this year but finding good hunting ammo in that caliber is tough, especially now! Thanks for the good work.
Ps: I have the same exact Ruger American in 308. Best bolt rifle for the money!
I live in Florida, and we have smaller deer than most states, and I know a lot of good hunters that tried the 7.62x 39 and they never found the deer they shot. They found just a few drops of blood at the place deer was shot, but no more blood. Not trying to discourage you, just what I was told. Almost all of them was using the SKS!😅
I hunt with alot of different caliber rifles and the 7.62x39 is good on big deer, I even took a cow elk. I used 154gr. soft points the rifle was a cz 527 7.62x39. Regards from MT.
Nice video bro 😎
I’ve had an AR (5.56) for years now but just recently got an AK (7.62x39). I used to have a 30-06 but as I got older the beating on my shoulder got to be too much when I’d run a couple of boxes though it. I’ve never shot a 308 though I hear the recoil is less than a 30-06. I may have to try one some day.
Try socom 16 , manageable recoil
If you get your 30-06 barrel threaded and add a muzzle brake, it becomes much more pleasant to shoot. Multi-layer rubber buttpads are nice too.
Edit: there are also clamp on muzzle brakes if you don't wanna bother with threading.
i have 308 compact ruger american 18 inch . now i used heavy grain 185. i have shot 30 06 and unless u using the heavy grain on the 30 06 then it will be much different but usually is 185 240 on the 30 06 but it balances on the rifle weight now my rifle has boyds wood stock so is not light weight . i will say its pretty much the same unless you are using 308 140 150 grain tops it will be much less recoil but still 308 is heavy no matter what you will have to come down another notch caliber if you want less recoil because i feel you i have arthritis and back issues but again when you come down in caliber you will not feel the power of a 308 or 30 06 calibers
Great video.... would like to see what the green tip would have done in the 20 inch barrel..... probably a little more damage due to higher velocity...
I was nodding off from being tired, then I heard this 13:44 😂Felt like I was going crazy in loop
nice.!!
Will do a better one soon!
Good video
Thank you!
By the third or fourth time you said “next up is the .308”, I started looking right, left, and behind me 😭. I was actually really tired and started to doze off where I was sitting, at that exact moment. So I thought he was talking to me to wake up 😭 such a weird coincidence, and very unsettling to think the guy on my phone on youtube can see me and interact with me from a pre recorded video lmao
3 blocks, I would've rotated a gel a bit. I get it tho, first time using ballistic gel. Great vid
Need to use 7.62 NATO for fair comparison the 308 load used ia designed to expand and reduce pwnetration.
Thank you for this test. So the 308 is best in this test & if in bear country, use Nosler Partition or equivalent for controlled expansion to insure depth.
They're all tuff
Maybe you should mark the tops and fronts of your gel blocks. Just a thought.
im still blown away paper plates stopped a 7.62 and a .308..... make sense just never though about it lol
Your rifle did not have a malfunction. It was operator error. The bolt was not fully engaged.
I saw that also
That sound 1:19 🔥
You need to change block after shooting each caliber to avoid a mess to have a possible to see a clean destruction of each bullet without anything else of another cartridges
Check the pressure on those tulammo they are way way below a match grade bullet
The tulammo is definitely inferior ammo. Good for plinking, self defense and thats about it. I would never recommend it for hunting or competition shooting. It's hard to find better ammo. Every gun store only has cheap steel cased 7.62x39.
@@toolsoffreedom407 yep police and politicians don't see leftist burning and murdering on our streets then leftist storm the capitol and every weak willed spinless idiot politician decides they will give the country to communists because some kids got antsy. I know, I have a little left for home protection and some steel case which i won't shoot till I can get more
I used to mag dump before making youtube videos, and while it was super fun, now I regret it! I have to limit my range time now lol.
Just remember, 700+ rounds of ammo will vastly very the amount of weight you carry
a scoped 308(with a talented shooter, plus right ammo for its job) is the perfect sniping tool for support in mid-long urban combat,
a well placed 308 round disables any human, stops cars and light trucks, and weights almost 60% the total weight of a .50 kit rifle,ammo,scope,etc.
308 is definitely a very capable round. It's not going anywhere anytime soon. The 5.56 might disappear before 308 as the new 6.8mm is right around the corner. The most versatile caliber by far.
I have never ever seen a 308 stop a car. You may disable it eventually after it travels a substantial distance but you will not stop it. Not even 50 cal with AP round…the vehicle will keep rolling/driving for some time. There is no such thing as stopping a car with rifle bullet. Its a myth. Pure physics….you are putting a rifle bullet weight energy against a 4000lb vehicle bullet.
Yeah, even a .50 is going to have issues stopping a vehicle in one hit, .308 is gonna take many many more then the one to stop it in a meaningful distance. By that I mean that vehicle might be damaged, but it’s gonna keep rolling for a fair bit longer then you would think. Get your vehicle going at 30mph and put it in neutral, check how long it takes to stop with no brakes, now judge if that distance is still within your effective range. .308 might take out the driver, and if your lucky they spasm and jam a foot on the brakes, other then that that vehicle is going to be out of your effective range.
No way that measly 223 hit harder than the 763x39???. F that...I'm selling my 762 AR and getting a 308
What is the green tip for❔
I don't own a AR-15 ⁉️
Big AK guy just got LR-308
13:44 wait, which one is next up?
I liked this just now. One question, is the green tip on the 5.56 not meaning a fragnenting type, thus least possible penetration? What is that one instead?
Armor piercing
You should do this same test but with supersonic 300 blackout
Next time use soft point 7.62x39.
I have never shot soft point 7.62x39. But it makes me think it should be weaker.
not a bad vid but you should have used the last block that wasnt touched for the 308.
What type of knife is that you have on the table. I like it.
Why aren't you using the 762x51 full metal jacket for the 308 it's an unfair advantage with the other two to be full metal jacket and armor piercing
you can use ballistic gel for each one shoot .is that beter ? why dont do that ? if use that we can sow better expand do you think? baut TNX for tried
everyone complained about the "apples to oranges" aspect of the video. But data is data is data. It still helps us to quantify things. for example, if someone owns those 3 guns, those might be the exact 3 types of ammo they use. They might use the green tips for 556, and everyone loves the steel ammo for 762 and they might have soft point 308 for hunting. cheers
Which that is my case. Cheers brother!
No.. it was a half-assed comparison.
Not trying to be rude but your kind of close.Be safe!also love your vids! Keep it up!
Thank you brother! So far it's been all good. Shooting cinder blocks or paper plates or ballistics gel there isn't ricochets. Only some concrete flying back to me, but with the sunglasses i wear has been enough. Might take it back a little bit. I do it mainly so everything is in frame and looks good, and to give the round its best possible chance. Love the support brother. Cheers 🍻
@@toolsoffreedom407 so im 12 and i just got a reply from one of my favorot youtuber. wow!
i forgot to subscribe oops how silly of me!
crazy how much stronger the 5.56 is vs the 7.62x39
Crazy how fast people jump to conclusions.
Lol 556 isn’t stronger, use a mild steel penetrator round on the ak and see what the results are.
It is an unfair comparison, but that's all the ammo that was available to me.
Not really, 556 green tip is not your ordinary full metal jacket. So I'll say it's not a fair test
It’s not though
I am surprise the green tip expended so much so quick and didn’t go further in since it is an armor piercing round
Not ARMOR piercing..."penetrator".
ATF would DEF say NO to an AP round.
@@SpicyRok7482 the question still remains using the word penetrator instead
10:03 You probably won't have a working gopro for very long...
That was a close one! Will not be positioning gopros like that anymore. The things I do to get a cool angle lol
Ok, but a full metal jacket 308 would outmatched the other two by far. I know because I use fmj in my 308 for practice (our military use it, so its very cheap here)
I feel like you're way to close to the targets bro
Definitely! But that little bit closer to the action makes that much more fun!
Different bullet characteristics would be more evident at normal shooting distances.
Different bullet characteristics would be more evident at normal shooting
Soft tips for a penetration test? Hardest 5.56 vs softest .308? Not exactly apples to apples. But glad you posted... still interesting.
Big difference when you cross the block next to the thick part of block next to side with the ak
I got a Savage axis ii XP 308win with a Redfeild Revaluation with A2 flash hider.
I I nave used a semi from 308 to kill many deer and elk. Its my favorite. For defence I like the AK 47 in 7.62 x 39. Never owned a 223
The 7.62 went through 700 plates it’s the winner to me
Basically, hidding behind a cylinder block of an Ak is deadski
That gel is not cheap. Thanks for video. You in CA?
AZ. I'd be a felon with those in CA lol
At 13:59 you didn’t close the bolt all the way that was your malfunction
You caught that lol
Yeah, probably needs to be cleaned.
@@toolsoffreedom407 at least it wasn’t anything bad thank you for the video 😀
Had to use this video for a moron that said a 556 does too much damage for hunting, thanks
Try a FMJ in the 308 expansion of the bullet slowed it down faster then FMJ will
I think to get a truer comparison you should use similar rifles
Almost perfect video, which you had used a different gel block for each round.
Thankfully we all now know how safe we'll be when we're attacked by paper plates.
Try using FMJ on all of them
Not apples to apples, use all FMJ's or SP ect.
I made another video on it.
Where can i find those jello blocks
I'd like to see this test on a 50 or 100 yard distance.
“1 Dousand paper 8’s”
Gotta love having a shitty accent!
The 5.56 wound channel seems to be more 2 dimensional, the 7.62x39 seems more 3 dimensional,
Thanks for remaking the video fair,5.56 or 308, I'll take the 308 .this guy really think he's tricking anyone?
Can't beat an AR-10
I'll take that over an AR-15 ANY DAY.
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What’s the point in shooting FMJ for any test? That round is for paper plinking/cheap ammo. Serves no purpose for anything other than shooting for fun. Test soft or hollows on targets. Those are primary target rounds
If you would hit with the 7.62 the center of the block you would have the same result or better also you didn't show the velocity of it which means you you wanted put the 7.62 on third place from the beginning. It's not fair. 👎
I stated that the chronograph was acting up, and doesn't show a reading every time. Also, it doesn't matter where you hit the block, as long as is not the edges. And i prefer to shoot 7.62x39. Its cheaper anf mor fun. I like AKs over ARs.
Really should change block between shot!
I’m dizzy trying to keep up🤪
You and me both!
Unfair test you should use the same type of ammunition for every one of them
Bananas, pineapples, and coconuts
Damn maybe I should trade in my ak
You should have used all fmj ammunition. No green tip. Not a very fare comparison. And really back off to at least 10 yards
If 308 had a metal tip like the 556 it would have gone thru more
The 7.62x39 passed through the first block out the top
Imagine if humans populated numerous planets with different gravities and atmospheres. How much more complex and interesting the ballistics would be lol
That's what they say but space is fake and uh
Green tip is my pick for winner, thats a ap round.
I think this video shows how good it can be!
@@toolsoffreedom407 yup, awesome video. And great idea with the paper plates, I thought for sure the green tip would have gone straight through.
Not AP
@@ducktape1ful they might not technically be AP, instead "steel core" whatever, but I've seen them penetrate armor.
Green tip is garbage
Before I watch,the 762 will go repeat it's a fmj not a damn soft point. This is not a fair trial
Bought a plate carrier… Not sure how to get 700 paper plates in it though🤔😒??!! Please help 🤕… 😂
Is that the 308 Winchester?
No center block for 7.62 mm
14:24
Your bolt wasn’t fully down.
I saw that too and was yelling at the screen. He is lucky the firing pin didn’t make contact
The expension is so big because there is large air gap both side the cavity of the of the 308😢
I liked your video. Thanks for posting. Not to be critical, but I believe the 7.62 penetrated more plates than the .308, surprisingly, no? Keep it up!