5.56 vs 7.62: Unexpected Difference On Steel
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- čas přidán 4. 10. 2023
- In today's video, we will be comparing the performance of the 5.56x45 to the 7.62x51 on mild steel. Testing was setup at 50 yards using A529 gr 55 mild steel mounted to Steel Sled 4.1. Thanks for watching!
Testing - 1:45
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*These tests are meant for entertainment and educational purposes only. Shooting steel can be dangerous, so do not try any of these tests at home!
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The difference is at 500yrds and more. The 556 loses its punch and the 7.62 will carry it’s killing power out at farther distance.
5.56 is done at 300m
Bro also use full metal jacket for the 556
exactly right...battle tested
Difference is neither round is typically used for 500 yds. Your average range for both is typically maxed at 250 yds. The point of these tests is to show what happens with your average shooters range. The 6.5 creedmoor has the ability to be accurate and punch through at 1200 yds where the 30-06 that more people prefer falls short at 9 to 950 yds but again your average person isn't taking shots at that distance. Even in a gun battle you don't wanna waste ammo shooting at someone 500yds away with these rounds
@user-un1sx8xp2q
M80 7.62X51 IS full metal jacket ammo.
M80 ball was Standard GI issue 7.62 nato ammo when the M14 was in general service
You should paint the inside of the sled white too so you can better tell the impact site, just a suggestion love the vids.
Oh darn it I just said the same thing, then went in to read some of the comments, and the first one was yours, guess we were thinking the same thing😁😆😂😎🤙‼️
@@thetraveler5798 it's all good brother.
I really appreciate the idea. It won’t be for a few vids, but I’ll try to remember for some of the larger/faster calibers
Or yellow. For bananas.
@@bananaballistics cool, hope it helps brother. Love the channel.
I’d love to see the M80A1 compared directly to the M855A1.
May be a topic for the future, thanks for the idea!
M80a1 is ridiculous expensive on gun broker like 10 bucks a round I want some but can’t justify that much per round lol
@@eddiearchuleta615could probably get m993 for that
It's extremely rare ammunition for the civilian market. Also for how it got on the civilian market? Seller would probably tell you they found it on the side of the road. It is not illegal to possess it though. I would suggest buying pulled bullets of it over actual rounds and reloading it yourself.
YES!
In my own testing on 3/8” mild steel @ 200 yards I have seen M80 stopped from a 18” barreled AR10 but defeated by a 16” AR15 with M855A1. That really blew my whistle on the M855A1 (had a muzzle velocity of just over 3,000fps)
Yes, when people talk about penetration a lot of them tend to overlook bullet material and construction, like with the 6.8x51, it's not just about velocity or kinetic energy
I've put M855A1 through a half inch plate at 100m from an 14.5 M4A1.
Always look forward to your work here. Keep up the great content and hopefully you hit 5 million+
Excellent video Double B! ❤ I definitely think your strength on this channel is the thick steel. I don't know anyone personally who has ballistics gel and I'm not sure how accurate it is compared to flesh. But tests vs steel tells us info.
Keep on keeping on brother.
Interesting results, thanks for the video.
With all these test it'd be cool to see a setup where you could put ballistic gel behind it to see the effect after it the bullets pass through. An open back instead of the angled steel.
Great test, really enjoyed, thanks
Your skills at building the steel sled is impressive!
Not surprised. I’ve shot .223 and 30-06 at railroad tye plate steel (1/2” thick). .223 goes through. Others don’t. Velocity and smaller diameter help the .223/5.56.
That is interesting that it beats out the 30-06. You’re not kidding about velocity
7.62x51 aka .308 Winchester is criminally underrated in my opinion.
I'd say it's overrated personally.
Well about that...
In europe .308 is one of most common round.
Bruh😂 .308 is one of the most popular cartridges within hunters
@@user-tx8qd3ex9u I agree....you have a harder time killing deer with 5.56
Underrated how, it's the most popular hunting and long range round in the country.
How exactly is it underrated when it's the benchmark for performance
These tests you did are amazing, much more enjoyable then an endless debate on what's the best ammo.
Good upgrade from sled 4.0, thanks for sharing!
The new sled works great. Excellent video!
Nice work. It would've been interesting to see how a lighter .30 caliber bullet (e.g. 125 grain fmj) moving at a higher velocity would perform compared to the heavier slower moving bullet.
I would personally really like to see how the 130gr bullets perform. They're often listed at 3000fps
Have you thought about painting the inside of the steel sled so we can see easier where the bullets hit
Love your channel, thank you, good job
Another great episode, and with surprising results!
7.62x39 vs. 30-30 maybe? The pointy commie round vs. the stubby cowboy round, would there be a surprise to found between those two rounds? Or perhaps the newer ballistic/polymer tipped 30-30 vs. the traditional round nose? Hmmm.....
7.62×39 is alot better ballistics after 100 yards than 3030 243win and 22-250 are better comparions
4.1 is awesome. Hope it holds up. Great video again
That makes sense - the 5.56 has around half the frontal area of a 7.62 so the force is applied to a smaller area. The 5.56 had half the muzzle energy so the net result should have been the same depth of penetration, the difference seems to be the higher velocity of the 5.56.
I would like to see a comparison between the 7.62x54r against the 30-06.
this! this is what the world needs to see.
@nostalgiaarcadefuture The 30-06 can launch a 180 grain bullet at the same speed the 7.62x54r can launch a 150 grain bullet - about 2,800 ft/s.
Add in 303 brit for the WWII Europe trifecta
@@pugs1377 Also, the 8x57 Mauser.
@@Shaggy_Rogers0001 ah, good point!
You will never convince me that this whole project wasn't a clever way to subsidize the development of your new steel clamping system.
Great video and you definitely got a voice for radio mate
A kazillion years ago welding up the holes in our club’s metallic silhouette targets, the 22-250 was the biggest pain. Sometimes the target would still be standing even totally perforated. The fun cartridges like the 458 Win mag, or the 375 H&H would flatten the targets almost too fast to see, but never did more than a big dent. I think the fast bullets were more like those IEDs with the bullets vaporizing on impact. You could have made a lead mine or toxic dump out of our range with so much lead dust.
I'm beginning to believe that you and Wile E Coyote are currently keeping the Acme Steel Plates Co. in business
I see what you did there, and you just aged yourself! LOL
@@michaeldennehy8809and all the rest of us who got the reference right off. Oh well, I already knew I was old. 😂😂
Thank You.
Any plans testing rhese very same cartridges against automobile windshields?
Nice work. Liked and subscribed
I would love to see a test with all of the hunting rounds. Especially .270 and .243 Winchester.
I’ll have to see what I can do
That would be awesome!!! Thank you for all of the tests that you have performed. I think I’ve seen them all. I love the upgraded mounting system as well.
I think I shit myself after seeing the results of that M855A1 5.56 cartridge. That was very impressive. Hope we get to see you shoot more of it... if you can get more M855A1 ammo of course.
Me and another person have offered to send him some if he can't find any
It is a pretty crazy round. I have secured some more but testing will be pretty sparse lol
then wait till you see .22-250 ;)
You should do a collab. with the Ballistic High Speed guys to see what the bullets look like going into & out of the mild steel in SloMo.
7.62 by 51 in M-14 the best battle rifle made, used one in vietnam centrail highlands with stare-lite scope.
are you that sniper guy who killed like 50 VC single handedly one night? lol, What was his name again?
I agree...results speak for themselves.
You ever feel like a murderer?
@@puckered6036 We can see that you’ve never served, you’re an a$$hat.
Just discovered your Channel today, October 9th 2023. Subbed!
I think steel sled could use some rubber "washers" to help with the vibration traveling thru the bolts and cracking the clamp
That 26" barrel for the 5.56 really puts it over the edge, IMO. The only time 5.56 actually "loses" is out of both shorter barrels combined with longer distances at the same time.....
Great test glad you have a good backstop my 30 30 with 180 g.coreloc will put a hole in oxgen tank 1 side
Velocity and Mass matter. Hence the reason I switched my EDC pistol from a 9mm to the 5.7x28. More rounds, better performance! The same applies between the two calibers you've trialed in this video, and it was very interesting to see it revealed!
Lmao a 5.7 is not better than a 9mm 💀it might fly faster an due more penetration but that shit only poking a baby hole in something 😂 that shit a joke
Just a humble suggestion for that Master Piece Steel Plate 4.1 (🤞) -😁 !
Would be to paint the back of it to see what if any gets through and how much of the remaining projectile hit it ‼️
It would be easier for the camera to pick it up , I think 🤔..❗
😎👍
P.S.
(Have you try the 7x57 mm old mouser round, don't know if you had a run with it or if you have a rifle for it, but I AM Curious what that would do, if you had in the past let me know thanks) 👋❗
Hi I’d still prefer our FALC2. At 7.62. Our engagement distance was 300 yds. With the new 5.56 engagements moving to 100 yds to close for comfort. I’m glad to be retired my thinking is a little more weight on longer distances help to stabilize, the job was to mainly disable the target, then they would have to use resources on them, that was the goal then, in the CAF
Cool video 👍
Are we not gonna talk about the amount of damage that the shrapnel did to the steel plate
Freaking crazy!
Would like to see a gallon jug of water behind the 3/8" steel. Bet you would see a big difference there.
This series of tests reinforces why 5.56 isn't a one size fits all system.
Police should not be equipped with 5.56 as the only option.
The Lindt cafe siege showed me graphically what the issues were.
The NSW TRG showed up armed with 5.56 and couldn't reliably penetrate the glass so when the R-sole started killing they were obliged to go in. At close quarters the 5.56 over penetrated and killed a hostage.
It is like believing that a Grey Fergy ( Ford N) is the only tractor a farmer needs.
Lack of a serious anti-material calibre set the scene, lack of man stoppers (10mm, .45 ACP, 444 etc) killed the hostage.
There isn't a best, just a best for the application.
Great videos
How about 17-223 vs 223/5.56 and 7mm tcu vs
.300 blk? That might shed some light on the whole faster and lighter vs the heavy and slower question, maybe. Heck, some of those old Remington Accelerator 30-30 55gr. Sabot rnds that supposedly goes around 3,400 fps (remember those?) vs 30-30. Would also like to see how the .204 Ruger does. The possibilities are almost endless!
Yes, but those 30-30 accelerator rounds were all over the paper. Force = mass x acceleration. It's not just a good idea, it's the LAW. So, the question becomes TERMINAL BALLISTICS. I love .22-250 at 300 yards, but it will not kill a deer, despite what the math says, because of TERMINAL BALLISTICS! For the reocrd, I am a 30-30 fan since 1980!
Any Collaberations planed for the future? Would Love to see administrative Results or Kentucky Ballistics make a show face
Great channel, James Mason voice :)
I've been watching you for a bit but subscribed today after seeing the Midway add on Facebook linking your video. I've bought more than a few things from them in the last decade as well.
Heck of a radio voice there son…
Would there be any difference in a pair of stacked 1/4in plates vs a single 1/2in plate, in terms of 'protection' on the other side ?
The 7.62 that hit the support and sprayed the target actually hit to the very edge on the left side. Just for anyone wondering if that's how the spray pattern would really looked like had it hit lower.
Good Banana!
This channel is far and away the Premier Steel Penetration Ballistics Channel on CZcams.
While your mileage may very... We did a science where in a level III armor plate with anti-spall coating was set at 10 then 25 and the 35 yards. We shoosted it with 55g FMJ "ball" and 62g "penetrator" Lake City ammo from a 24" and then a 16" barrel AR platform. Our results were that the 55g FMJ ammo blasted through the plate and the 62g penetrator never did more than severely dent that plate!
We even hand-loaded the 62g penetrator bullets to a chronographed (proof load, plz don't try this at home) velocity of 3304 FPS and at 10, 25 and 35 yards it still did not punch through the armor plate! Where as the 55g FMJ pushing only 3076 FPS from the same rifle sliced a clean hole, even out at to 35 yards. Your thoughts and experiences on our observations would be so very much appreciated!!!
What was the twist rate?
What manufucturer of the 55gr FMJ?
Do you have a comparisson between 556 and 545mm ? Im curious about that..
That m855a1 is no joke my 2014 LC ahead stamped go 3260 from my 20 inch barrel I haven’t chrono from my 24 inch yet….. what date stamp is yours?
Friendly suggestion, paint the back of the sled so that we can see the point of impact? Thanks!
Thank you
Thanks again my friend...
Shoe🇺🇸
Wonder how it would be if you ad different distances as well on each plate. Like every 50 meters.
Do you also make radio shows? I think you have an excellent voice as a radio host/voice-over.
my m1 grand ww2 ap 3/4 mild steel no problem surprised even me
we need a test of the major powers battle rifles and ammo from WW2. at least a comparison of the cartridges.
i would love to see the difference of these rounds shot from a 16 inch barrels, a 11 inch barrel, and a 7 inch barrel.
Please do 270 vs 308 again but using some grain weights
Can you please compare .450 Bushmaster/.458 Socom vs. 8.6 Blackout/.375 Raptor?
I dont know if you have before but have you done a green tip 5.56?
I request 357 sig and 10mm comparisons.
Nice video...
10/10 intro sub SOLD
Great Show!
Could you do ballistics tests on 8.6 blackout?
Should spray this inside back plate of steel sled 4.1 with your spray paint, Awesome video watching from 🇬🇧
Orange.... yes.
@@redfaux74Yellow.
@@Kriss_L - Let's flip for it..... Heads. You lose. Orange it is. 🤣🤣🤣
@@redfaux74 The channel is bananaballistics, not orangeballistics.
@@Kriss_L 😡😡😡 I..... 😞 concede..... 😫😫😫
BANANA BALLISTIC
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Can I use and share this video on my website ? Without break copyright laws?
You need to try a 22-250. I shoot 55gr at 3700fps
Why not paint the inside of 4.1? Also, I may have missed it,but is the back of 4.x a hardened steel?
That might be a good idea, but it would probably be pretty messed up after each shot. Yes, it’s AR500
these videos are literally amazing
i would like to see more testing on 1/4 plate,as its more available than the thicker steel and more easily moved around, by one person.lets try 2 1/4 plates a ft apart...test thinner steel plates too see at what thickness a .223 or .308 bullet will breakup at...if 1/8 steel plate will break up a .223 bullet then will another 1/8 plate 2 feet behind it stop all the fragments?? how much velocity is lost by a .223 or .308 bullets passing through 20 ga sheet metal?? its most common on washers and dryers ..
when will we see some super short mags going against each other
Video suggestion….
300 Ham’r vs the other “AR” calibers
I was trying to convince myself of that cartridge (even bought dies) but just can’t go for it lol
You may need to start putting some clay behind the plate on steel sled version 4.2 xD
The M855A1 round went through 1/2" mild steel, the question is what did it do afterwards?
In time you will know
thanks for doing this video.
Your spoken numbers and versus stuffs came at us REALLY FRIGGIN FAST!
SLOW down please, or readable charts... not stupid, just ignorant and willing to learn from an obvious aficionado.
What about a 308 ap round? Not fair to the rifle, hims feels left out and sad😢
I would like to see 277fury vs 5.56x45 NATO I mean since the Sig 6.8x51 is supposed to be replacing, the traditional 5.56x45 so it would only be fair to shoot a. 14.5" M4 with 5.56Nato, and a Sig MCX XM7 with a 6.8x51, but since they haven't released that version to the public "yet" use what you can get in the 277Fury/6.8x51 but with the proper barrel lengths and preferably a gas gun
Check out the history of videos on his channel. He recently did one with the 277fury.
Hey banana me and a buddy both have M855A1 and he also has M80A1. Lets see if we can get a test of both those and different barrel lengths .
Can’t promise different barrel lengths, but I have a couple m80a1 to play with
@@bananaballistics ok cool. Let me know if you want more.
From the beginning I was thinking it sounded like an E=MC² problem..
I'm amazed that m855 was able to go clean through 1/2" plate.
It's A1, not M855, big difference.
"I mean, that extra 500 ft/second couldn't hurt..."
Hold up a moment there...
Too bad no one makes a .204 fmj bullet. 4000 + fps would be interesting against mild steel.
Everyone I've heard that owns a 204 Ruger says it is the penatration king. The only other cartridge I've heard can compare is the 220 Swift.
Closest I can do is a 22-250
22-250 with a green tip is interesting 🤔
Have you ever been asked to do voice over work? You definitely have the sound for it.
How about 6.5 Grendel vs 308
762 is always a good option, 6.5 is probably the best middle ground that we can think of between 556 balistics and 762 kinetic energy.
Can you give 3mm 301 grade air hardened stainless steel a try out?
55 grain penetrating as good as 147 grain here. Wow.
Well hell yeah
It is a shame you cannot measure the weight of impact for comparison.
I would be interested to see the difference.
can you retest 22-250, maybe try some armor penetrating rounds.
Wondering would M855 go through half-inch steel 😅??
Paint inside of catch white so you can see new action