The surprising discovery that made him reconsider Islam
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It just blows my mind how anyone can dislike Abdullah Sameer, Hassan Radwan, Abdullah Gondol or Apostate Aladdin, but love someone like Muhammad more than their parents. It just shows us the power of indoctrination in these cults.
You said it!
Lack of knowledge mumu monster.
I’m from Pakistan. I’m ex-Muslim now.
You are free now 😊
Why man ? You can't run away from Islam. Pakistan a country is created by the name of Islam, by the name of Allah, by the Muslims. Now, you stupid simply telling us now I'm Exmuslim. Allah will punish you, we warning you last time, return to Islam and shut your mouth. Otherwise, Sar Than se Juda will be, mind it. 😂😂😂
This is the way to bring back Exmuslims to Chuslam 😂😂😂
Congratulations on believing in your own ability to know right from wrong - true from false. And welcome to the rest of the world.
Good job boy
Ex Muslims is a new religion!
Yet muslims complain in france where the law bans hijab even if its democracy 😂
I want to make one important thing clear. In France the hijab isn’t prohibited. It’s the burka and the niqab which are prohibited because the face is hidden which can cause disorder in the public space. Prohibition of the hijab in France is a lie spread by preachers.
That’s so true lol
When a Muslim memorize and recite the Quran! He becomes a good Muslim to Muslims. However, when a Muslim read, study, begin to understand and think independently with an open mind the Quran! He/she becomes an EX Muslim and a better human being.
Or he becomes a terrorist
so according to ur logic all scholars should be ex muslims? funny lol
@@Aksarallah
Scholars! Who are the scholars of Islam!! They only recite and memorize like you; then obey!! Go read, study, understand and think critically with an open mind tue Quran! You’ll know the answer!!
@@Aksarallah
Who is Allah! And how Muhammad became a prophet! Let’s see if you’re smart!!
@@HG-zm2dx lol those are hafizs. They memorize the whole quran end to end. Scholars are completely different from Hafizs and are know much more.
seems like you don't know much to anything about islam, try again to debate islam after educating urself
You hit the nail in the head Abdullah “it’s almost like a cult” Islam IS a cult! Ex Muslim here 🙌🏼 😊
It can be. Not for everyone though
Look up the 14 characteristics of a cult leader, and see how they perfectly line up with Muhammad.😅
@@VictorPanteleimonwhy is it a joke, because you stupid peanut brain cant comprehend
@victorfloris Muhammad the man possessed by Satan lol it explains why Muhammad was so horny satan hadn't smashed in decades so he needed a human body host to use
@user-gm2pt1xe9o an article on a psychological website stated the following motives for a cult leader:
"Usually, the cult leader, not the cult followers, ends up in a better place. As soon as he gets a decent following, the real motives of the cult leader come to the fore- status, power, riches, and sexual access to females."
Perhaps noteable and most aligning with Muhammad, was his sexual access to females. As we see in Surah 33:50 where every believing woman can offer herself to Muhammed. Notable too is, is how the Quran mentions a "maximum" of four wives, while Muhammad had more than 9 wives and a multitude of concubines.
Secondly the gain in riches; Where Muhammad and Allah should been given the spoils of war. (Surah 8:1)
So let's look into the 14 characteristics that 'psychmechanics' mentioned;
1. narcissistic:
"Cult leaders believe they’re special and are on a special mission to lead humanity to the light. They have fantasies of unlimited success and power. They’re constantly seeking the admiration of others and enjoy being the center of attention."
So, how does this align with Muhammad?
All these traits were confirmed in Muhammad. Apart from thinking he was the anointed messenger of God and the Seal of the Prophets (Q.33:40), Muhammad regarded himself as Khayru-l-Khalq (the Best of Creation), an “excellent example” (Q.33:21), and explicitly or implicitly hinted to be “exalted above other prophets in degrees” (Q.2:253). He claimed to be “the preferred one” (Q.17:55), to have been sent as a “Mercy to the worlds” (Q.21:107), to have been risen “to a praised estate” (Q.17:79) - a station which he said none but he would receive - and this is the Station of Intercession at the right hand of the Almighty next to his Glorious Throne.
The following ayahs also mention how highly Muhammad saw himself; Surah 33:56 and 48:9.
2. They’re charismatic:
"Charisma is the ability to draw people to you by your charms and personality. Cult leaders tend to be highly charismatic. They’re masters at expressing their feelings and making their followers relate to them. Their social skills are above par, and they tend to have a good sense of humor."
So how does this align with Muhammad?
For example, Muhammad, who had charismatic authority as "The Prophet" among his followers, was succeeded by the traditional authority and structure of Islam, a clear example of routinization.
3. They’re dominant
"As discussed earlier, projecting dominance is key to becoming a cult leader. Nobody wants to follow a submissive leader unsure of himself. A big part of dominance is putting down other dominant figures of society so you can look better than them."
So how does this apply to Muhammed?
Well it would be an understatement to say he was a good military leader. He was very successful in his conquests and without his dominance, that might not have happened successfully. He showed dominance towards his enemies by destroying their sacred idols, fearlessly, in front of their face.
4. They demand obedience
"Projecting dominance helps cult leaders create a power imbalance between them and their followers. They’re high status, and their followers are of low status. If the followers obey and do as they’re told, they can raise their status too. They can be in a better place too.
In this way, cult leaders prey upon the low self-esteem of their followers."
So how does this apply to Muhammed?
Well, Muhammad demanded in the Quran that everybody must obey him. (Surah 4:59). Obedience to Muhammed is obedience to Allah, and the other way around.
5. They claim to have supernatural powers.
"Cult leaders do this to highlight the power imbalance.
“I’m special. I have access to supernatural powers. You’re not special. So, you don’t.”
Cult leaders may claim they have magical powers like talking to aliens, healing, or telepathy."
So, how does this apply to Muhammed?
Well the claim of Muhammad is that he received a "revelation" on multiple occasions, where the angel Jibriel sends down the Qur'an. So the miracle is; a visionary book.
6.They’re arrogant and boastful
"Again, to remind their followers that they’re above them and to reinforce their high status."
So how does this apply to Muhammed? Well, Muhammad was quite boastful of his "sexual powers". "The apostle of Allah said, "Gabriel brought a kettle from which I ate and I was given the power of sexual intercourse to forty men."
…The apostle of Allah was given the power to equal to that of forty men and the people of paradise will be given the power equal to eighty men
…The prophet was granted the power of sexual intercourse to that of forty men"(Kitab al tabaqat)/
Narrated Qatada:
Anas bin Malik said, "The Prophet used to visit all his wives in a round, during the day and night and they were eleven in number." I asked Anas, "Had the Prophet the strength for it?" Anas replied, "We used to say that the Prophet was given the strength of thirty (men)." And Sa'id said on the authority of Qatada that Anas had told him about nine wives only (not eleven). (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 5, Number 268)
Sexual superman🦸♂️
7. They’re sociopaths/psychopaths
"Lack of empathy is the hallmark of sociopathy/psychopathy. Sociopathic/Psychopathic tendencies make it easier for cult leaders to harm their followers without remorse."
So how does this apply to Muhammed?
Well, he showed no empathy towards the woman that was hit so much by her husband till she turned green. And even sided with the husband.(Sahih al-Bukhari 5825) He even hit his favourite childbride and showed no remorse. (Sunan an-Nasa'i, Volume 3, Book 21, hadith 2039) Muhammad signed thirteen death warrants for doing nothing more than writing or reciting poetry that criticized Muhammad.
8. They’re delusional
"Some cult leaders may suffer from mental illnesses like schizophrenia or temporal lobe epilepsy. These mental health conditions can induce psychosis or hallucinations. So, when they say they can talk to aliens, they may genuinely believe they do."
So how does this apply to Muhammed?
According to early Muslim traditions, the young pagan Muhammad experienced miraculous visions. There is the trustworthy account in which Muhammad claimed that a heavenly being had split open his stomach, stirred his insides around, and then sewed him back up!
Muhammad himself later refers to this episode in Sura 94:1, which is literally translated:
Did We not open thy breast for thee?
Early Muslim tradition records the fact that when Muhammad was about to receive a revelation from Allah, he would often fall down on the ground, his body would begin to jerk, his eyes would roll backward, and he would perspire profusely. They would often cover him with a blanket during such episodes. It was while Muhammad was in such a trancelike state that he would receive divine visitations. After the trance, he would rise and proclaim what had been handed down to him.
9.They’re persuasive
"Cult leaders are excellent marketers. They have to be, or they won’t be able to gain followers and raise their status. They know what makes people tick. They know how to cater to the basic needs of their followers."
So how does this apply to Muhammed?
The marketing he has done for Allah's paradise, is the gift of virgins, eternal penis, and everything you wish, Allah will grant it to you!
10. They’re authoritative and controlling
"Cult leaders tend to control every little aspect of their followers’ lives. What to wear, what to eat, what to say, what not to say, and so on. This is done to keep the followers in line and reinforce their low status and low power."
So how does this apply to Muhammed?
Well the Quran counts countless of statements of what to do, and what not to do. What strikes me is the punishment for not obeying Muhammad's commands might cost your life, by stoning or beheading.
11. They’re exploitative
"The goal of all that authoritativeness and control is exploitation. Cult leaders make their followers submissive and weak to exploit them easily. Intelligent cult leaders exploit their followers in such a way that the followers don’t see it as exploitation. For instance, a cult leader may demand sexual access to female followers, making a ridiculous claim such as “This will purify our souls” or “It will bring us to a higher plane of existence”."
See my statement in the first part of this comment.
12.They’re intolerant of criticism
"Cult leaders can become enraged when they’re criticized. To them, criticism is a threat to their high status. That’s why they resort to extreme measures to prevent any criticism. Those who criticize are severely punished, humiliated, or even eliminated."
Note the multiple people Muhammad ordered to get killed, because they criticized him.
People don't leave Islam out of ignorance - they leave Islam because they came to their senses.
People accept Islam when they read their own religious scriptures and find out , how dirty religion they were following until now and accept Islam to prove their intellect😂
@@moorkhonkojawab7118
Islam has only taught You to act like a mindless parrot - while You are told to worship a caravan robbing, illiterate, wife stealing child rapist.
And, I can assure You that no young girl is ready for marriage/wants to get married at the age of six to a male old enough to be her great-grandfather - nor is she looking forward to consummating the marriage to that male, once she turns nine.
You definitely haven't read/studied a Christian Bible cover to cover - and I seriously doubt You've even thoroughly studied the Qur'an (and any other works pertaining to the Islamic faith...) on Your own.
Common sense and critical thinking are two concepts that are clearly not encouraged in Islam.
So, You tell me how You intend to improve Your intellect by being brainwashed, lied to and kept utterly ignorant - on a daily basis...
😂😂😂
@@moorkhonkojawab7118 after I read about Aisha, I wanted to take a shower.
@@PrimitiveArchery6 Just , imagine how I felt when I heard about Draupadi sleeping with 5 brothers at the same time , I wanted to commit suicide , how you treat your women . Aak thooo .
If he still wants to be a Muslim after reading the 9th chapter then he probably deserves islam 😂
😂 Yeah the 9th surah is pretty bad.
Because such people are just like Andrew Tate, they are already bad and they want to join an ideology that fits their badness
He secretly wants it.
His cultural mind recoils at it.
Emotion and mind.
Who wins?
Deep down his heart, his wicked desired wants to join Islam. He wants 11 wives 🤣
@@FriendlyExmuslimnehhh all of those dawist are not believable at all
I'm what you called "a zombie" 😂😂 I left Islam almost 5 years ago, and I'm still wearing a hijab, praying and fasting because I've no other choice.. and yes it is extremely exhausting .. I myself feel that I'm a hypocrite even though I'm forced to it.. but still, it makes me hate myself for showing the exact opposite of the real me.
😥
You are a liar.
I discovered that my sister and brother had left islam along time ago when I just left it now, then I talked my mother out of it as well😂
but we still have to pretend in front of everyone and my father.
mandatory hijab in the workplace and outside if I suspect any one of the family will see me by chance.
and oh my god I long for the day where I can just walk freely and dress like the real me.
I'm 25 and I still don't know what my taste in clothes are, and that's just sad 😵
Omg that’s awful dear! I left 2.5 years ago and i couldn’t bear to pretend for a single day 😟 I’m assuming you’re young and live in a Muslim country? Otherwise, PLEASE stop living like a zombie and start living life. Life after Islam is beautiful 😍 You only live once!
@@montarou-chi
Why are you an ex muslim?
It's not ALMOST like a cult. It's the very definition of a cult.
Eh. Tricky issue. The most widely accepted definition of cult these days is from psychology and it's more of a "sliding scale" of how controlling a religious group is.
@@RobespierreThePoof One thing is for sure, all cults threaten their members if they want to leave.
@@blackbird7679 if you compare how lets say mormons and islam was born... then centuries between the stories are same................ and yeah they survived and that is why called religion now... but if you now look other cults and how they started, the difference is they did not mange to become accepted as a religion...
I don't understand how anyone can take an honest look at Judaism, Christianity and Islam and truly think that Islam is the one that is most likely telling the truth. Why would you presume that a story that came around 600 years after the advent of Christianity and around 2,000 years after Judaism, which presented a collection of distorted versions their stories, was closer to the truth than the religions it clearly copied from?
I cant get it how they can believe that Allah wrote three books in total and the first two were changed by people (even though in their Quran it is written that God's word can't be changed) but the third one is intact. It's so illogical. He write the third book pissed off cos bad people changed his words- didn't he know it before? Like he wrote the first book- changed. The second one- changed. What did Allah thought? I'll write a third book, what can go wrong? Tp me it's simply hillarious ^^
@@Gieeska88 Great point. Totally self-contradictory. And then he even says to confirm the truth of the Quran by the previous two books, which brings us to yet another contradiction.
Allah doesn't call himself the best deceiver for nothing...
Muhammed was told by an Angel that appeared in both the Christian and Judaism that Islam was the original religion of the People of Israel. Muhammed himself was a Christian before he started Islam. One of the side stories goes that he and achoo Bakker saw a Christian Priest had a church in Egypt where the Christian Community was giving tons of Gold and silver to his local church and Muhammed thought if he created his own Religion he would become rich. Which became the case and changed History.
@@michaelnance8319, no angel Gabriel identified himself clearly in previous scriptures, obviously not him that squeezed Muhammad and give him "revelations" that contradict his previous messages, thus fake.
Muhammad "Christian" 🤣🤣🤣, then he surely would not have been a caravan robber and would have known what to do when a demon squeeze you...
No Islam.
I actually think that the targeting of ex- Muslims, for threats and violence by some Muslims, for leaving Islam, should be legislated as a hate crime. This is something that I think ex- Muslims should start pushing for, by writing to their local members. Many non Muslims will be glad to support them, but they are the best at pushing the case, as they are the ones in the firing line, literally.
I think punishing people who commit honor killings should be included in this effort.
@@tintinismybelgian True.
And under domestic violence. When you leave your muslim husband and he tells everyone you have left islam which puts your life at serious risk.
Well, that will only matter in nonmuslim countries. Nonmuslim countries don't really have to deal with apostasy killings.
Islam makes me sick 😫
Exactly. Just the way this Muslim begins to go into LYING-mode to cover over the apostasy law just sickens me. Denial denial lies lies lies.
What is the solution?
@@johnolaoluwathere s no solution
@@johnolaoluwa Try your best to show them the true reality of Jesus if they deny him, shake the dust of your feet, you have done all you can. Matthew 10:14
@@Home.Lander.69 There is a solution. I found it in 1984. Read it from here: John 12:26.
You said the keyword that traps so many people in religion: cognitive dissonance. Once you start accepting 2 contradictory things and become comfortable with it, then you're locked in.
Well articulated
Where's the cognitive dissonance in Islam
@@Shigellosis 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣? 🎯 Where? 😂. EVERYWHERE. Earth is Flat like a carpet....and stars are light bulbs we strung in sky to make the sky beautiful for you. And Moon is also a source of light 😂 and not a place. If you are a true Muslim, Sun sets in a ditch! And world was supposed to end in about 70 years from when Muhammad claimed Allah spoke to him Via Gabriel, only in that cave! Open Sim Sim (Sesame). Good question. Best joke ever 😂
Cognitive dissonance is what keeps people from going vegan. The indoctrination of carnism is the oldest belief system
I almost converted after three years of practicing islam. Many of my doubts were answered by Muslims but i was never convinced. When I first read the Quran I told myself " this sounds like a war manual, like it supports war. " and Muslims " no no no its just a guideliine for when we are attacked."
When I started looking for the point of view of ex muslims, it all made sense. I started learning about hadiths, sunnah, prophet muhammad on my own and noticed how blinded I was and how ignorant I was in general. I could never wrap my head around prophet Muhammad and I am so grateful to have gotten out of it sooner than later.
THank you for your content.
Just take shahada bro, it's fine. You just can't ever leave the religion without people thinking you deserve to die.
Do you need to say I am not muslim anymore to become a non Muslim? No, you just don't apply it,
@@CrustaceanAllergyEnjoyer he has every right to say it
Haha didn't really work for Salman Rushdie though. 😢
Praying he gets better soon 🙏
Brilliant video. I am not an ex-Muslim, but I subscribed to your channel because you always make serious and factual arguments. Your videos will help liberate innocent Muslims from this deceptive religion.
Christianity is dumb too bud.
@@Vrailly unfortunately, it is the most ignorant who agree with you. Have you ever read the Bible before? The greatest bestseller of all time? Nothing compares. After you have read it, comeback to talk again, before that, it's best if you keep quiet and not expose your ignorance. Even the best of atheists wouldn't make the same ignorant statement as you are doing.
Islam is too powerful a deen.
Your Islamophobic propagation helps Islam a lot. You will never criticize Christianity, Hinduism, Buddhism.
Only criticising and bashing Islam is the most profitable business today.
@Vrailly yet your imaginary all-ah couldn't create a religion without attaching his himself with Christ lol😂😂😂😂 without Christianity your imaginary all-ah is non existence
@@solidground338 I'm not a Muslim matey. Notice I said "dumb too".
You must read the Quran but don't interpret it. 😂😂😂
Lol
Even appearing not to practice Islam, through not praying, or fasting is enough to have you suspected of being an apostate. I once witnessed an EX - Muslim, friend of mine, who had quietly left Islam, without telling anyone, or making a fuss, get asked at University, in a censorious tone by another Muslim, why he wasn't fasting during Ramadan, and this was in a majority non- Muslim western country. His excuse was that he had a medical condition that affected his blood sugar, and that he was advised by his doctor not to fast as he could collapse, which was actually true, so it sort of gave him a convenient way out .
That’s not a surprise anymore is it?
Is it??
@@I9s7lam5is-S3tu1pid Not it's not but it shows that even quietly leaving Islam without announcing it, and refraining from publicly criticizing Islam will not keep you 100 percent safe, you will need to fake your continued belief in Islam and that you practice it, to feel reasonably safe and even then there is a danger of being found out. But the good news is that as the number of apostates grow ( and this is happening all the time) it will be harder to intimidate Muslims that no longer practice Islam. As apostates Muslims will have their own community to support them. Which is what all these ex- Muslim you tube activists are helping to build right now.
That’s exactly what I was thinking about, when the guy said that nobody would know if you don’t say it publicly.
That’s exactly what I was thinking about, when the guy said that nobody would know if you don’t say it publicly.
That’s exactly what I was thinking about, when the guy said that nobody would know if you don’t say it publicly.
He sounds like he wants to convert, in which case he will find a way to reconcile the death sentence for apostates. I understand why many people want the meaning, comfort and direction religion gives them. I just hope at the very least he doesn't fall into the harsh literalist views of groups like Salafis.
Seriously? A gentle non-manipulative Islam??
You’re still selling it???
I agree. Religion can make one a better person so long as they don’t get brainwashed by fanatics.
He seem very weak emotionally
I know plenty of salafists personally, pretty chill people.
@@ee6lpzfzj023Do You find Sharia pretty chill, as well?
Muslim: I cannot compel an infidel to accept Islam. But I can deceive and lie to compel him to accept Islam. Failing which I’ll use the sword. That almost always works to compel anyone to accept Islam!
Nice summary of things
without lies, islam dies.
With lies , Christianity survives 😂
@@moorkhonkojawab7118proof trust me bro
Where are the lies
That specific democracy argument he tries to push is always one of the most shockingly weak things I’ve ever heard. And your point about did the believers choose is something nobody can ever answer when I bring it up: you constantly hear this cry about don’t worry about OUR culture, leave OUR thing alone and so forth, but the fact is it’s not that cut-and-dry, there’s always a huge amount of people involved who never got to choose what they follow or learned. Mostly children, molded from the earliest of ages. That certainly doesn’t count as the majority willingly creating a society for themselves, and it’s a problem, but it’s never addressed.
does this apply to all ideologies? wokeness? rad feminism? intersectional feminism?
@@wade2bosh A flawed and often toxic method of indoctrination is not exclusive to any one thing and you know that. That’s not why you asked, you think that the weakest whataboutism in the entire world could somehow present a challenge to what I’m saying but it doesn’t. Your favorite ideology is still a main payload for the mechanism described here. And yes, it does tend to be more dangerous when religion is part of that payload due to the nature of what’s often asked of a person when it comes to their faith. You’re wasting my time
@@wade2bosh By "this", do you mean "the right to change your mind and leave"? Yes, it does apply to any group. No one should be forced to stay.
@@wade2bosh people aren't born into feminism, I don't think you understand how these things work. You can be born into a society that generally agrees with basic feminist concepts (e.g. women are equal to men and free to pursue whatever goals in life they please) but you are free to reject these concepts or discuss/challenge them.
Can the same be said for Islam?
I wonder what people mean when they say that they see truth in the Quran. To me, as a non-muslim, it just seems like incoherent rambling. This argument never made sense to me, and I read it in Arabic
From the videos I see, the Muslim says can a man be a God is God 1 or 3 (a argument against Christianity) and when the none muslim says yes than the conclusion must be ... according to them
Surah An-Nur, 61 (24:61), you have to admit everything is true!
The creator of the universe tells you that you can eat at your home, youir father or mother's home, your brother's home, your sisters home, parental uncles, maternal uncles or homes of those you trust.
Before Islam people were wandering where they could eat. 😉
''There is no restriction on the blind, or the disabled, or the sick.Nor on yourselves if you eat from your homes, or the homes of your fathers, or your mothers, or your brothers, or your sisters, or your paternal uncles, or your paternal aunts, or your maternal uncles, or your maternal aunts, or from the homes in your trust, or ˹the homes of˺ your friends. There is no blame on you eating together or separately. However, when you enter houses, greet one another with a greeting ˹of peace˺ from Allah, blessed and good. This is how Allah makes His revelations clear to you, so perhaps you will understand.''
@@marc3dartist601I genuinely can’t tell whether this is satire or a serious post
@@fas1840 You were looking for truthfulness in Quran, this is what I found!
Read carefully, hilarious verse.
Agreed. It's without doubt the worst book I've ever read. I had to take a break for a few days after getting halfway through it. When i decided to start reading it again i subconsciously got an overwhelming sense of depression as though my brain was saying please anything but that! But i held firm and forced myself to finish it. Never again.
You didn't mention that if you stop showing up at the mosque, stop going to jumma or stop participating in any Islamic rituals, people are the going to notice and start bothering you. So it's not as simple as just "not declaring it publicly". Imagine not believing in Islam at all but still being forced to do every single dumb pointless ritual like wudu and salah just to keep your life safe. 🤦♂️
This is a must watch for anyone considering converting to islam. I wouldn't have had they explained this to little 18 old me, back in the 80s. I wasted 30 years of my life. And ruined my kids' lives.
Sorry to hear that :(
@mysotiras0187 I did. Thankfully. My life is so much better now. No more pressure, no more guilt, freedom of thought and expression.
@@AJansenNLdid the kids leave
Great to see you back Abdullah!
Thank you!
I love your soothing voice, and your wonderful, addictive reasoning and narrative. Thank you.
So nice of you
Congrats on the 30k!
Thank you!!
People like Muslim Lantern are so disingenuous. Democracy doesn’t exist in a vacuum. It rests on top of a shared understanding we voluntarily surrender some amount of autonomy understanding that we all possess certain human rights by virtue of existing (in short, don’t kill me and don’t take my stuff) and there are things that no majority vote can make permissible.
Joshua seems like a well-thought person. Wish him the best. My advice would be take your time, don't rush into it. You said it yourself, you are looking to be calmed, to avoid the depression hanging over. Religion seems like the easy route to solve that, and it is surely the solution for many. Any person like the Muslim Lantern (a bit arrogant as a pseudonym ) or some other dude, that is good, they would never try reading up on something else. As for Joshua, he might attempt to read more philosophy, and take the proper time to find his way, more than a few mere months.
Joshua comes from a community who faced worst genocide in history perpetrated by muslims. Millions were forcibly converted and forced to eat cow as making it sure. Women were raped and sold. Villages after villages were massacred. Their holy places demolished, statues were desecrated and cow blood was spilled in the sanctum.
Philosophy is useless for the most part. Sit there and ponder questions with no answers just for the sake of it
@@Shigellosis I'm not going to argue with you. Just know that philosophy got me where I am, and out of Islam for sure.
Don't see philosophy as a sophisticated, abstract overcomplicated part of thought, it is really not. Look into something like Philosophize this as a podcast channel, to know more about it in a simplified, vulgarized way.
So, what he is saying is ‘I don’t mind the hate, prejudice and violence being directed at others, but when it comes to me I don’t like it!!! 🤮
That’s who they are. Rude and obnoxious towards others but sensitive when someone responds to them.
@@Zoolandera-es5bl Isn’t it strange, isn’t it indicative of the personality cult which is Islam, that if you draw a picture, write a book or burn their manmade Quran, make a children’s film in which a female cartoon character appears to have a female ‘girlfriend’ then the streets are full of aggressive, bullying, intimidating, maggot minded, fanatical Islamists!
But how many Muslims took to streets ‘offended’ by obscene acts like the attack on children at a concert in Manchester, the recent Hamas attack carried out in the name of Islam? How many took offence at the cowardly attack upon Sir Salman Rushdie being carried out in their name? NONE!
‘Hello darkness my old friend…’ 😂😂😂😂😂😂👏😂👏👏
The biggest problem that Islam has is that it's clearly bollocks.
Explain the clear bollockness of it please
@@Shigellosis
According to Islam, muhammad was the perfect human and is to be used as a role model for all followers.
- He had sex with a 9 year old.
- He owned slaves.
- he has no issue with a man beating his wife.
- Donkeys can fly.
- Bushes and rocks can talk to humans.
It is like you are walking in and showered with flowers but once you enter you have trapped in a room in a dungeon! Joshua should continue reading the Quran, Seerah and the Hadith. Try to finish reading them, you will get the picture. If you don't, then we wish you well.
Abdullah Sameer I think you are a remarkable person. I like how you objectively look at issues like this.
Thank you
its OK to have doubts as long as, in the end, you see it my way...or pretend to do so....or else....
jajaja right!
The idea or theory is that if you start talking about having left Islam or even criticize Islam in some way, maybe others will also start to leave Islam and think critically about Islam. there are similarities with how dictators can think. They are also opposed to free opinion formation or criticism of the regime. They would rather you keep quiet. it is true that people living under oppression can hate the dictator/dictatorship. when he talks about there being violence in the streets, he may be referring to Iran. it is obvious some people have had enough of the regime. There are people who literally say. down with the Islamic regime Or death to the dictator. we can have views on the words. But considering what the regime does to people, it might not be so strange if some people are angry and literally hate the regime. However, I try to tell them that they should not take bloody revenge, that it is wrong to kill, but that you must have the right to defend yourself and your friends or others who are attacked by the regime. But that's another story
Ex-muslim here. Save the humanity.
You have to perform all the daily prayers and fast in Ramadan whether you like it or not; whether you want to or not. So much for "sincerity" in acts of worship. That's a big, red flag that anyone can see too.
Thats a pretty stupid point ! If you believe in the Creator and the Creator has asked to do this as part of worshipping him, then why would you question it ? Just because Christians just talk about their faith and don't follow the laws that Jesus preached doesn't mean Muslims can do the same.
Performing the prayers and fasting is part of the Religion so why is that a red flag ?
@@rosdykalat2620 What kind of “Creator” demands so much worship whether you are sincere or not? Whether you feel like it or not? Whether you want to or not? Sincerity cannot be forced. Big, red flag.
@@grahamashe9715 What do you define as " too much worship " ?
I don't feel like going to work but I do it because there's a result at the end of the week when I get paid....just like there is a result for you in the hereafter if worship the Creator sincerely
Don't force your stupid claims of worshipping too much just because you christians are lazy and just all talk about your faith. The fact that you think this is a red flag says so much about you mate .
@@grahamashe9715he Creator knows that a muslim may leave Islam, even when he prays and does fast. and that makes him a hypocrite. so it is ultimately between him and the Creator. he will get the punishment for being an apostate, be it private or public. it's upto them.
but the problem is when the apostate manipulates other God-admiring and God-fearing Muslims to leave faith.
by seeing that the apostate kicks Islam away from his life, this will agitate the other ignoramus Muslims to do it. and what happens then!
Godless society where morals are neither subjective nor objective, adultery, usury, immoral business, procrastination, ego become dominant. these are post-symptoms of a Godless society, which the west are countering and suffering for them.
this society is what the Creator wants the human to avoid and destroy.
and basically the ex-muslims are nothing, but another versions of kharijites (kharijites are the ones who pray a lot, but are still not part of Islam, only because of their distorted knowledge, ego and arrogance, whom even the sahaba didn't see in their muhammadeen lifetime and were shocked to see the distorted version of Muslim, and they are known as the dogs of hellfire, said by the Prophet SAW himself).
be it apostate or extremists (kharijites), they both are garbage to be burnt. thus they are two sides of the same coin.
but when it comes to choose these two degenerated faction, i will choose to be kharijite.
i prefer to be a dog of hellfire over becoming the ultimate degenerate.
@user-gm2pt1xe9o You don’t have to pray so many times a day and dry fast for a month (which is also not recommended for most people according to health experts) in order to be a good person.
The muslim lantern sounds like that annoying salesman that rush you to buy his stuff..
This issue that blocking me to convert. I want to know islam, but they say in order to know you have to become one. So if I convert and after sometimes I know and understand that this religion doesn't suit me and I decide to leave, do I have to be killed ? Do I have to risk my life for this ? I don't think so.
Please do not get in to that cult! They will teach you to kill everyone except muslims .. from outside it is calm but all you have to do is look around and see what happened to the countries where they entered!!!
They will never tell you that they will kill you. They will say you are free to leave, but it's a lie. Remember they get people into Islam by lies, swords or by birth very rarely they get people by free will
Thank you for your videos. I follow you since almost 5 years and your videos were I started looking more till I left Islam.
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So you have chosen hell and happy with it. I doubt on your Mental capacity 😂😂
@@moorkhonkojawab7118 Where is your comapassion for your fellow human beings? How can you mock someone who you believe is going to burn in hellfire? How can you not want to be kinder and more understanding, or at least try to convince them? This is shocking behavior, mate.
@@brotherben4357 It's shocking for me as well when you show your hypocrisy. Being kind for others but mocking and insulting Muslims. How people like you can even talk about compassion 😡😡😡😡
@@brotherben4357 Are you for real ??? You are writing on a channel which is humiliating Muslims and Islam and yet you have courage to speak about humanity and compassion 😡😠
if you can 'revert' into Islam (asper to convert) meaning the Muslim believes that all humans are born 'muslim' so than arent all none Muslims already apostates and worry of death
That concept has only existed in past few year. They made it up recently it has not been mentioned in any of their books!
@@whatsinaname2706 thank you.
@@whatsinaname2706 I also recall reading some other ridiculous propaganda, that all animals are Muslims! 🙄
@@deewesthill1213😂😂😂😂 lmao! It keeps getting better!
15:15 Since people can leave a religion from their heart, way way before they vocalise it, then it is fair to say that a person's actions can tell you that someone has left Islam; since Islam is not in their heart. Then the things they do, the places they go, the things they do NOT do can all inform you that a person has left Islam.
The Abdul is basically putting forth the typical bullshit argument that if an Apostate doesn't make things public or if he or she doesn't get exposed by someone from the community, then he or she will not be subject to the death penalty.
This is NOT a defence for the Apostate death penalty at all, for one of its premises is literally having the law not be enforced due to the person breaking the law not being caught by the authorities. The whole affair has nothing to do with the law in the first place. When the law is not being enforced, what human consequences that result from it has nothing to do with the law at all.
If the argument is on human welfare and not the law itself, it still doesn't shine a good light on islam, for having apostates and dissidents avoid public manifestations of their beliefs on the pain of death is the very definition of suppression and restriction or one's beliefs and conscience. Nothing merituous if the Abdul is trying to show how Islam is tolerant and peaceful.
You need to read the small print before converting to Islam, in order to make an informed decision.
The Quran sounds beautiful as a non Arabic speaker. Things changed once I heard English verses of it🫤
Everything sounds better in a foreign language we don’t understand. I could have converted to Catholicism hearing the Bible in Latin, but then I read the whole thing in English 😱
It's the unknown words that fool you.
@@mischarowe would like to hear what was so bad about Christianity. Without him taking verses out of context.
@@andrewkerr5797 Christianity? The bible? Have you read all of it?
Him?
@@mischaroweyes I’ve read the whole thing. What exactly is the issue?
As religion gains prominence, the motivation to read modern scientific truths into holy books becomes stronger.
It is strongest for Muslims because, true criticism of the Quran is almost non-existent in the Muslim
world. There are just two muslim nobel prize winners and 150+ jews, this is significant as there are 57 countries and 1500 million muslims compared to just one country and 15 million Jews.
Nobel laureate physicist Steven
Weinberg has observed, "for forty years I have not seen a single paper by a physicist or astronomer working in a Muslim country that was worth reading."
The explanation for the fact that you just pointed out is quite simple. Judaism has always been a minority religion. Hence even the virtuous true believers couldn’t punish the heretic. About the golden age of Islam where scientific knowledge progressed the reason is obvious. The Arab conquerors were at the head of an empire without having the knowledge and the office know-how. The conquerors were obliged by material facts to be tolerant. They needed the civil servants of precedent regime. They were smart enough to present themselves as more honest and open than previous leaders. It worked very well in Iran and Egypt.
@@karldehaut
Worked very well in Iran and Egypt! Let’s analyze!! How come these countries are totally in a mess now if that system worked??? Let’s understand these two interesting countries!! Before Islam! They were intelligent people! Proud and builders!! When the Arabs came! They wrappped their women and mothers! The resultants are todays people!! Egypt has forgotten to speak their original language! Iran or used to be the great Persia! Some of the most tolerant people! How about now!!! Today! Iran is the fastest growing Christian religion in the Middle East! ~50% of Iranians have left Islam becoming Christians or atheist!! The desert religion didn’t bring them any good whatsoever nor prosperity to better their people when they were conquered!!
@@HG-zm2dx Please don't repeat the story of Christian concern for women. The Missouri House of Representatives on Wednesday proposed a bill that would restrict the dress code for women in the state House. The bill requires that their arms be covered. I ladr no difference between arms or hairs, same motivations. Do you speak the same language spoken in Wessex under Alfred the Great? Moreover, until the 18th century, both in Iran and in Egypt, magnificent constructions were erected. Current religion is partly responsible for the current lamentable situation of these two countries. But that's not the only factor. I would add that if the so-called Western countries have a dominant position today it’s thanks to the separation between religion and state. It’s in secular societies that progress has taken place, not in religious societies.
@@karldehaut
I’ll keep it simple! The pyramids were not created in the 18th century!! Nor the Persian Persepolis!! These are just examples!!! They were built by the early great Egyptians and by ancient Persians before islam! When Islam came nothing was built! Nor contributed to the development of humanity and society!! Islam may claim but mostly done by non-Muslims. Just look at every Islamic countries today!! When the oil finally becomes redundant! Arabs will go back driving donkeys instead of Dodge! They will start riding again camels instead of Camaro!!
racist
Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said, "Who is willing to kill Ka`b bin Al-Ashraf who has hurt Allah and His Apostle?" Thereupon Muhammad bin Maslama got up saying, "Then allow me to say a false thing to deceive Ka`b." The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "You may say it." Muhammad bin Maslama requested Ka`b, "Will you let me smell your head?" Ka`b said, "Yes." When Muhammad got a strong hold of him, he said (to his companions), "Get at him!" So they killed him and went to the Prophet (ﷺ) and informed him. Abu Rafi` was killed after Ka`b bin Al-Ashraf.
Sahih al-Bukhari 4037
It's always a pleasure watching your insightful videos❤
He fell for the same thing that religious people say about athiests.........
Muslim/Christian people say that atheists have no morality and whatever the majoruty agrees to will be considered moral........
Thats exactly what he was saying that the majority choose to execute apostates, so there should be no problem with it.
I know more atheists who have a moral compass than ppl who believe in god. People fear ppl not god!
Have to say you dissect each point in great detail. Great stuff👍
Simply not praying can be taken as one leaving Islam. This guy wants to apologize for Islam but is making things worse
Muslims often bring up 2:256. Of course they won't mention that this verse has been abrogated (Allah sends better verses, which he explains in the Quran) by verses revealed later in Surah 9 - this is explained clearly by many important Islamic scholars in the tafsirs (else the Quran would also contradict itself) and many Islamic scholars today will explain this, eg:
Ibn Kathir says "But, this verse is abrogated by the verse of "fighting...Therefore, all people of the world should be called to Islam. If anyone of them refuses to do so, or refuses to pay the Jizya they should be fought till they are killed." [Tafsir of Ibn Kathir, Al-Firdous Ltd., London, 1999: First Edition, Part 3, pp. 37-38].
Allah doesn't call himself the best deceiver for nothing, you either choose death or you die...
I'm new to your channel, but I remember a conversation Smile 2 Jannah had with a Christian who questioned why marrying a 6-year-old was legal in Islam. He came back asking when people were allowed to get married in the Bible and the Christian admitted he wasn't sure, he was told that that proves age really wasn't that important back then. Love your content, keep up the great work!
Brillant (as usual). First and foremost: Democracy is NOT majority rule. Democracy is the rule of the people where individuals have rights. The rule of law is therefore based on values. Values expressed in the 1947 UN Declaration of Human Rights, expressed in the European Convention on Human Rights where the death penalty is prohibited. One of the objectives of democracy is the protection of minorities because everyone is equal before the law, among other reasons. Therefore any religion who made a legal, societal distinction between believers and unbelievers is undemocratic.
I hope algorithm allows that dude to find this video
Another excellent video.
Thanks!
For him, apparently questioning Islam or expressing criticism of the tenets of Islam is seen as incitement. He is trying killing apostates but at the same time accusing them of incitement for deciding to leave Islam
You're confusing Islam with medieval Christianity
Where does it state that you're not allowed to inquire about or question Islam or it's cores and principals
Provide your evidence
19:53
"Repent or be punished." Funny how he didn't say the punishment is capital punishment/death (and we're proud of that - Ali Dawah).
20 days…like buyers remorse?
😂 😂 😂
People who read Qur'an become Muslim but people who understands Qur'an become a ex Muslim 👍. I don't want Islam
“In dark ages people were best guided by religion, as on a pitch-black night a blind man is the best guide; he knows the roads and paths better than a man who can see. But when the daylight comes, it is foolish to use blind old men as guides.”
Heinrich Heine.
Apologists always say oh but this is only under Sharia. But Sharia is exactly what many Muslims say they want... even those in the West.
Sharia is Islam.
Yeah 🫠
The Jews are still waiting for the Messiah. The Christians believe the Messiah is already here. The Muslims... they're still talking nonsense, "like a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal"😅
Jews wait, Christians know Him and Islam try to hide Him...
The problem with Islam is that its adherents must take it as a package deal. You either believe in 100% of the ideas or none of it. I refer to myself as a cultural muslim. I practice prayer, fasting and zakat but I will never compromise my belief in the sanctity of life, the importance of LGBT rights and my disdain towards the institution of slavery.
Muhammad did not want a former scribe of his who committed apostasy to live, even when the scribe begged for forgiveness and Uthman also asked clemency for him.
How can a child molester and a rappist and a terrorist be a prophet?
I hope & pray Joshua finds the love of Jesus.
I'm sorry to say that : you behave exactly as a Muslim. I remind you history, until the XVIIIth (enlightenment) leaving Christianity was punished by death (Catholic, Orthodox, Protestant). Well of course unless you repent... The trick also work for Islam...
jesus is disgusting
Amen
@@IslamsOPP prove jesus was a good person
@jj-yi1ne he was a good person by dying for us so we don't have harsh laws and whoever believes in him gets heaven The two people who died next to him on the cross Jesus gave them promise of heaven
Muslims usually tell us what their laws mean and how they are implemented, however they are stating their own views and NOT the legal rulings of Sharia which are actually applied in Islamic states.
Go to page 613 of the Sharia manual Reliance of the Traveller, Section O8 on Ridda, which outlines the punishment for apostasy, as does Section F1.3. Anyone familiar with Sharia, like an imam, would know this. Sharia is based on the scholarly consensus of the Islamic schools of jurisprudence (the mudjahid mutlak) and is the FINAL interpretation of the Quran, sira and sunnah which cannot be abrogated. It is the Islamic Sacred Law.
Can you enlighten us?
@@littlecatfeet9064 👍
Thank for sharing.
Thanks for watching!
The Muslim (apologist) does what a lot of apologists do... they talk & talk, agreeing with themselves, not allowing the questioner to cross examine their statements which they declare to be totally logical.... nuts
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Very interesting
Thank you!
@@FriendlyExmuslim it's always my pleasure.
Keep up the amazing work.
The muslim lantern is just a fast talker with no knowledge
You just won a new subscriber today 👍
Awesome, thank you!
I love the 'You're not a muslim so you can't understand it.
Basically, to avoid being killed for no longer being a muslim, just don't be a muslim in the first place. It's like the best advertisement for anti-dawah.
Remember when Ali dawah made that video complaining about "madkhalis" (salafis who obey the rulers of Saudi arabia and other countries) and said something like "They're like a cult! blood in blood out, they attack you if you leave!"
Don't blame him, being groomed by Islam does give you the worst brain condition
CULT: = Once in! there's no way out!
Hope to hear more of your interviews with Ex Muslims and collab with Gondal!!
You're absolutely right, this guy's arguments make absolutely no sense. I never seen someone talk so much crap with such confidence.
If you renounce Buddhism, you are fine.
If you renounce Hinduism, you are fine.
If you renounce Sikhism, you are fine.
If you renounce Taoism ,you are fine .
If you renounce Judaism, you are fine.
If you renounce Christianity, you are fine.
If you renounce Catholicism, you are fine.
Which is so be it, no one can force you,but
If you renounce Islam, you are faced with the possibility of the death penalty(in strict islamic countries with Sharia laws) ,illegal harassment,physical assault and family disowning. So if God created you. Why does he have to shove his beliefs and rules by force down your throat with a death threat?
Family and and friends disowning actually happens in all religions not only islam
@@truthseeker5796 Don't change the subject ,this is the fact .
@@melvyncarrot4741 I corrected one false information so how did I change the subject? you are not being objective or maybe you are just ignorant, so check your facts! (By the way I'm not a muslim, in fact I hate this religion to the core, but I like being objective)
@truthseeker5796 okay,so let's have a healthy debate then. It's indeed, in my opinion, that those who renounce their Islamic faith in Islamic countries could face the death penalty and abandonment by their families, other religions do not impose that kind of laws in modern times. The problem does not lie with those who are devoted muslims. The issue is why people have to live in fear and hidden identity. If they want to leave a religion that they don't want to be a part of ?
@@melvyncarrot4741 did I mention anything about islam?
WHAT ABOUT IF THE PERSON STOP GOING TO MOSQUE TO PERFORM ALL THE ACTIVITIES
U are nice hearted from within
Hi, new subscriber here. The world is dark and full of terrors.
Seriously though, knowledge is important. Awareness of how bad religion is and going into these conversations with open eyes is the only way to convince people it's a bad idea. :)
Welcome to the channel!
@@FriendlyExmuslim 👍
I hope you accept Jesus Christ. May God bless you
You behave exactly like a Muslim... No interest in arguments or facts... Searching to convert... Tiring
We proud of that.. 😂😂
I agree with understanding the text for what they are. Those who don't make the effort to understand the ancient texts are prone to manipulation by their religious leaders.
I like what you said at the end. That in Canada you have the right to expression, you wouldn't be able to say this in Islamic states. Which is why we need more ex-Muslims like you to educate Canadians and stop them from bending over to Islamists too much.
But shockingly you rabid dogs don't know that Islam is spreading more fast in west.. where you spit venom against Islam
And where anything can be said against Islam.
The tone of his voice. The way he is talking to that young boy is very faschistic! And it made me to stop after few seconds.
Right. Not just his tone but his voice over all. And then the cr@p nonsense.
26:00 can’t deal with that attitude. I’d have gotten rude in a second
ikr! And even after telling the man he cant leave
Hi, what do you think about prophecies
Chapter 9 of that book is my favourite. It really is the least ambiguous.
“Thank you so much, you’ve helped me a lot but I now know not to convert to this made up crap”. 😂😂
In India exmuslim movement is getting better each passing day thanks to
Adam seeker and exmuslim Shail.
Great video!
Thanks!
If only all people really know what islam actually is then no one will convert to this religion.
Exactly, everything is based on lies and deception.
Most people don't people just born into it they don't have a choice
most people who are now muslims were born into islam because their ancestors were forcibly converted
Excellent video- thanks for breaking it down. I'm an ex-fundamentalist evangelical Christian, and during my time as a fully devout Christian, I traveled to several countries as a missionary. Islam was more like a mythical enemy to me at that time, as Muslims were demonized in my church community (sadly there was a lot of racist rhetoric under the surface). When I traveled, however, I actually met muslim people, and ended up being really curious about them and their lives. I finally saw them as human beings like me, and I realized how much suffering so many of them were enduring. I'll never forget chatting with a girl using google translate who confided in me that she had to start wearing hijab on her upcoming birthday. She told me that didn't want to and I could see what a heavy burden she was carrying in her eyes. As someone raised in fundamentalism, my heart goes out to anyone born into islam and forced to adhere to an oppressive religious system. I hope freedom will soon prevail in their lives
Hm, so would Mr. Lanturn have a problem with a non-Christian "reading and interpreting the Bible"? My guess is no. So why make an exception for the Qur'an?
Something to note here is Muhammad himself was concerned that the Sahabah were confusing Sunnah for Qur'an (and vice versa too, one can presume):
Sahih Muslim Book 42, Hadith Number 7147
“Abu Sa’id Khudri reported that Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: Do not take down anything from me, and he who took down anything from me except the Qur’an, he should efface that and narrate from me, for there is no harm in it and he who attributed any falsehood to me-and Hammam said: I think he also said: “deliberately”-he should in fact find his abode in the Hell-Fire.”
If the Qur'an is unable to be imitated, then how come Muhammad was concerned the Sahabah were confusing his own words for the words of the Qur'an? I believe the cited Hadith causes a problem for “I'jaz al-Qur'an”. Not to mention that time Umar received revelation from Allah, but that is a story for another time.
The Hadith above has been used by Qur'anists. It's one of the ones people cite, because Hadith were banned at various points, right? But the angle of Muhammad owns words violating “I'jaz al-Qur'an” is a lesser used interpretation.
Oh also, it could be argued the Satanic verses violated “I'jaz al-Qur'an” too (even if people like to disregard that story).
"It's Islam, these things don't need to make sense". That sounds about right. He should speak to you Abdullah.
tats why they encourage blind recitation without even understanding the logic/meaning of it. Questioning it is view as disbelief. Blind Faith is encouraged
In the end of the video, MA pressured Joshua to recite the chahada and convert. Got get those hasanat before someone else steals them from you. 😂🤣
Exactly, true snake oil salesman technique 😂