How Marvel can solve The Magneto Problem
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- čas přidán 30. 03. 2022
- Magneto is one of the most popular Marvel villains. Canonically, he should also be a hundred years old. How will the MCU handle that? I have some ideas.
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I trust Marvel to find someway to keep the Holocaust origin story intact, you just can’t have Magneto without that story. Nothing will ever beat the moment in X3 when those young mutants see Magnetos numbers and he responds “no needle shall ever touch my skin again”.
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fantastic comment, one correction, the phrase youre looking for is "intact"
Idk. I could see that being the "Uncle Ben" for Magneto. They may not want to retread it exactly. I think they'll give him a slightly altered origin that maintains the spirit of the original and indirectly connects him to the Holocaust. Perhaps as the child of a survivor, rather than a survivor himself.
Honestly, Bucky Barnes who is older than Magneto and who's origin is tied to the same historical event, can just around the MCU no questions asked. Then Magneto existing shouldn't be a problem.
Tbh as a jew i dont really see the necessity in keeping him as a holocaust survivor. I can see him as survivor from the rawandan genocide or other holocaust like tragedies. To me to keep magneto magneto the specific history of him being jewish isnt important to the essence of his character. I can see the same type of person being a product of any of the terrible more current genocides or attrocities. Also thats not to say they dhould change comic magneto there id disagree but for a mcu version im fine with him just being someone who survived atrocities that could push them to hate humans and view them as lesser.
I’d go a step further - not only is the historical context of Magneto’s origin “not worth changing”, it is absolutely required and the character should not be written without that origin. It informs everything from his motives to the heroes’ best argument against his actions
There are other genocides. Set a far future X-men movie, where he is a survivor of the Chinese uyghur Muslim camps.
@@marcusdoe6552 his name is Erik Lensherr, unless you completely changed his name and ethnicity he kind of *has* to be a Germanic Jew
@@ItsIntelligentDesignethnicity and name changes have happened before in the MCU, as have timeline shifts for origin stories. And Magneto's background as a Jewish concentration camp survivor didn't always exist in the comics. That was added in the 1980s, after he'd already been the X-Men's archenemy for 20 years. I agree it's become a huge part of the character since then and difficult to imagine him without it, but it was a change too. The MCU has the freedom to alter his backstory or create a new one- it depicts a different universe from the mainstream comics.
@@marcusdoe6552 There are other genocides, but I'd argue none of them have the raw impact that the Holocaust does on pop culture. It's the famous one, and all its related iconography (the camps, the cattle cars, the tattoos) have that much greater impact.
Having Magneto come from a different culture and lived through a different genocide could be interesting, but having him be a Holocaust survivor is the bluntest, most effective way of communicating what he stands for and why.
@@nathanl8622 Yes, luckily, there have been no other genocides quite on the level as the Holocaust. But I do agree that the Holocaust has become too critical to the origin of Magneto for it to be changed. There is no Magneto otherwise.
I really don't like the idea of having the nazis experiment on Magneto, haven't liked it since First Class, I think it's detrimental to the message.
Magneto shouldn't have (or barely have) his powers during his capture, the nazis shouldn't know he's a mutant. He wasn't captured, tortured because he was useful to them, or a menace. He, as his mother, as the rest of the people there must be faceless, anonymous, dehumanized by the fascist regime. That's the tragedy, that it was arbitrary violence fuled by no real goal, no benefit.
He had his life ruined just because of how much hate the nazis had for jews, no other goal or need for him other than his complete and utter obliteration.
The nazis didn't do what they did to him for a reason, they just hated him and wanted to erase all his kind from history
you
do know how mutant powers typically manifest, right
how do you explain that this extreme emotionally, mentally, physically damaging strain on him not activating his powers?
@@nachgeben If he's not quite hit puberty, that might be enough of an excuse, as it's usually the stress/strain combined with being a certain age.
Interesting, never thought about it like that
@@nachgeben key word being "typically", not a rule
But also alright have his powers awaken then, my point still stands, have them be weak, or not something he's aware of or commands.
He still shouldn't be experimented on, nobody should know about them.
Eric suffered because he was a helpless nobody victim of hate, so when he grows up and turns out to be hugely powerful he takes the role of defending the faceless and helpless from hate.
They could maybe do both, start of with that and end on him getting his powers *after* all the trauma, which then leads to well more trauma because now the Nazi's want him as a weapon.
You've convinced me and now I badly want them to go with that last option. Him being venerated and kept alive by his people adds such an interesting shade to his character and could elevate him to a sort of mythical status from the very start.
Similarly, I think the very fact of him still being written to have lived through the Holocaust at this point in history, while still being someone young and healthy enough to be playing a very active, very political role in the world, adds its own interesting dimension in regards to how he would feel about modern antisemitism, watching his generation age and pass, etc.
Lot of fertile ground for interesting character work in all of that.
They had something like that in the 90s with Fabian. He was pretending like he was healing Magneto, but he was actually amping Magneto's powers to heal himself as it's full electromagnetic control.
@@holyrod2001 I remember that run, if I'm not mistaking, Exedus had the same kind of relationship with Magneto where he acted like a battery recharge for him.
@@antlora81 essentially, yes. And he's another immortal mutant which, now that you bring him up, has a connection to Black Knight whom they just introduced!
Magneto’s origin is one of the best comic elements that I believe should stick around, it gives his character so much more depth and serves as an interesting moral quandary for other characters to grapple with.
In my opinion, changing magnetos origin would fundamentally change the character that we love. So much of what is great about Magneto is his motivations and it can be really hard to argue that he’s in the wrong because he was a victim of one of the most tragic events in human history, and he refuses to allow it to happen again
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Unfortunately as time goes on you cannot keep such time and event specific origin story around forever... You'd be forced to make convoluted stories to preserve that origin story in the future.
@@iamthebatman6557 They actually already retconned it in the comics years ago . He is Max Eisenhardt now. It’s a terrible retcon and everyone forgot about it.
There are dozens of genocides to choose from all just as terrible as the holocaust. I don't see what's so special about it that we have to keep it.
If they retcon Wanda’s MCU origin and make him her father, I hope they set it up well enough to have a Vader moment.
That’d be cringe
@@TheGrizzlo503 same as the rest of the MCU then?
@@maxh7788 there's a difference between cutting an arm off as a reference and going full reddit mode
The cartoon “X-Men: Evolution” touches upon a similar topic of Magneto’s age. There’s an episode where Erik uses the show’s equivalent of the super-soldier serum that created Captain America to keep himself alive
That episode is amazing for multiple reasons but my favorite being Magneto letting the team go because he remembers being saved by Captain America and Logan from when he was a kid
That would be perfect for the mcu. It’ll tie so much together like they used to do in the beginning
I like the idea of another character de-aging Magneto on his deathbed and him being compelled to return to the fight. You could even have it be McKellen de-aged into Fassbender or whatever new actor they get.
like a mutant that lost its family to human intolerance and decides to use its power, to rejuvenate a frail, dying, magneto to avenge them. they could even make it cost the mutant's life for impact. giving their life for vengance's sake.
It's long been established in the comics that Magento ages slowly and heals due to the effects of the magnetic poles on Earth.
It's a simple explanation that works and gets the issue solved without a massive plot structure needed.
What about Professor X? Does he have the same “powers” or can they just have him be much younger than Magneto and the two can meet at later points in their lives?
@@jasoncoladonato1034 Xavier's history isn't really tied to a specific world event like the Holocaust, so you could theoretically place him anywhere in time and just have him meet Magneto at some point in his life.
@@jasoncoladonato1034 the profesor and Magneto can meet at any point in time, the main dynamic between them is how they have the same goal but different ways to go about it. Their friend ship and fall out can be explained in a few minutes.
@@pinkpowercoin3341 Oh, well cool then. Love it.
He also got changed into a baby and was rapidly aged to being younger than his original age. He ran the institute in 80s in the New Mutant comics without all his memories due to it. No joke.
I'd totally watch a 100-year-old Magneto played by Mel Brooks.
Time Variant Magneto for a Mel Brooks cameo??
Nah magneto needs to be tied to the Holocaust it’s part of his lore. That and his Judaism. His Hannukah moment. The representation. They’re inseparable
all of that was added to Magneto in the 1980s, none of it is part of the original character concept from Stan Lee and Jack Kirby. I agree it's become synonymous with the character but don't forget he existed for 20+ years as the X-Men's arch-nemesis before the Holocaust origin story was added.
Am I the only one that thinks that it's important to have Prof X and Magneto be peers? Whatever you do to Magneto to keep him young, you would have to do with Prof X which really makes none of these options work
I like them being peers, but stuff can happen to them before and after they meet.
Fan theory example: Magneto gets put on ice in his 20s. A 20s Prof X finds and restores him. They hit it off (think First Class meets the end scene of Captain America.) Then they break ways due to ideals and/or something happening. Present day, they are fighting against each other.
I'm thinking that since it looks likely the X-Men will be brought in from another universe, you can just say that that universe was a few decades behind us, so you can keep him younger and also have some fun fish out of water stuff with the others
I kinda like the idea of prof. X being younger, more educated but more naive, thus the difference in their ideologies and tactics.
Speaking on Magneto not aging in the comics, how about Michael Fassbender not aging in his run? By Dark Phoenix he should be in his 50s-60s
Yeah and that just looked awful tho
@@delycan4912 Only because it wasn’t really explained. One line from Jean when she goes to him asking why he’s not old, and he says it’s due to his abilities
A wizard did it
In the comics Magneto was de-aged back to an infant, and later restored to adulthood. Sim[ply "not aging" wasn't ever the story.
@@TheMelancholicWriter Wow how many mutants have (or had) that “secondary” mutation in the Fox Mutant-verse?
Sebastian Shaw, Raven, Erik, anyone else?
Logan? Well, his was more an effect of his super-healing/regenerative capability. And of course he finally started to show his age by his eponymous film.
I feel like Magneto's power slowing his aging might be the cleanest solution but that might just be me.
It really is the easiest way, this doesn't need to be complicated and would work alot better if some handwaving is done. Also, you wouldn't really even need to explain it if you just don't explain it the audience would probably just connect the dots by themselves. Gives people something to talk about as well.
It’s the easiest option
I like the Hydra putting him on ice idea, then just forgetting about him, or more likely not caring about him.
You could very easily do some psuedo-science around how his ability to control metals have affected the iron in his blood, which does something to the rate at which he ages.
We have a precedence in X Men 2, where Magneto is able to detect too much iron in Laurio’s blood and extrapolate it
In my perfect world, I’ve answered this question with Mister Sinister. After the war, he discovers a young and vengeful Magneto and takes him in with promises of getting back, then experiments on him, and those experiments are what grants him longevity. This establishes what I think is a pretty interesting dynamic between the two, where Erik despises Sinister but the latter still views him as a pupil of sorts.
One of these has to be the Magneto solution. The further away we get from the second world war the more important characters like Magneto become. They help people who never lived through the war understand and connect with how brutal it was. The older Magneto gets, the more important he becomes to popular culture.
If there wasn't a movie about WW2 or that took place during that time that came out every year (or even multiple movies a year) then I'd agree but seeing as that era gets so much attention I'd disagree and see this as an opportunity to make Magneto come from a more recent genocide (geezus chirst, a more recent genocide) and it still keeps the spirit of that origin while keeping him younger and gives eyeballs to a genocide most people don't think about
I don’t think you understand it’s relevance to his character. That’s the equivalent of changing Captain America’s origin to Vietnam or the Iraq war; similar moments in history, but not the same.
You could also keep him old, make him Wanda and Pietro’s grandfather and then have Polaris be their mother. I really like the idea of magneto being an absolute powerhouse but being physically a small old man. Like don’t underestimate the strength of survivors just because they grew old, they grew old because they are strong.
There is a great line in an old western starring Willie Nelson. Just before the final shootout, some young outlaws are mockingly referring to the old outlaws and lawmen they are about to fight, but one of them says "These men got old by staying alive!".
Dont underestimated how old he would be.
@@michaeldiekmann6494 he'd be in his late 80s or 90s which, sure irl that's pretty old to be running around fighting, but Samuel L Jackson is in his mid 70's and we still buy him running around as Nick Fury, so it's not that implausible that Magneto could be in his 90s in a comic book world with mutant super powers.
And that wouldnt change the character much TBH. Magneto has always been a glass canon. Incredibly powerful but physically as frail as any human.
Well I am ok with Magneto being Wanda and Pietros grandfather with them being the children of Polaris. However she would be at least in her 60s or 70s as she would probably have been in her 20s or 30s when Wanda and Pietro were born and since the X-men along with her appear likely in the late 2020s and early 2030s. However it is possible that Lorna was just a teenager at about 15 years old when Wanda and Pietro were born and she thus gave them up for adoption to give them a better life due to her being too young to care for them and being unable to care for them though it would still make her in her 50s.
At this point I think it's pretty clear that Feige likes to keep things relatively simple (notwithstanding that he's not afraid of deep cuts), so I think if they decide to keep the Holocaust origin for Magneto, he'll just age more slowly because of his powers.
Something you forgot to mention is how to keep Magneto and Professor X around the same age. Magneto is very capable of doing all of these things to keep himself young, but Charles not so much, maybe asking one of his mutant students or developing a second mutation.
I always felt that the best explaination for Magneto's prime physical condition, at such a ripe old age, was just an side effect of the countless times that he has been healed by his mutant allies.
Just put him in Krakoa, Genosha or The Savage Land. He brought his brotherhood of mutants there to live in peace and solitude. The land keeps them young and ageless. But then some massive Marvel event occurs, such as Strange destroying the fabric of reality, or Namor breaking through from Atlantis, or the Fantastic Four returning from the Negative Zone or Kang The Conqueror traveling through time and dimensions, their beautiful peaceful island is destroyed, hundreds of mutants are killed and Magneto is enraged and remembers he hates humans and wishes for his kind to rise up against them. Once he leaves his island, he starts aging normally again. And 20s is WAY to young for Magneto. He needs to be late 30s or older.
I like the magic route principally because the Romani were also victim's of the holocaust, and having Magneto meet Natalya while they are both in a concentration camp, or bonding over that shared experience afterwards, allows the film to both acknowledge the Romani people's trauma, something that I think tends to get overlooked in how we teach and discuss this period, while also providing a clear reason for why these two characters initially bond, allowing them to fast track that relationship in a way that could feel earned without needing a ton of screen time to flesh out.
That would work.
I thought Magneto could 'fly' because he was making his armor floated.
Bonus points for mentioning Alex Mack.
Another option is to make X-Men a period piece. If Magneto and Xavier are around, then xmen takes place in the 1960s. This could be really cool, and you could go on writing and telling stories forever. It just takes place in the era when Chuck and Maggie were active. Now if you want to do a more modern story, you can still have wolverine (just not Hugh Jackman who does, in fact, age) and anyone you don't want to sacrifice to your '60s arc, but otherwise, Magneto stays in his era.
I’d personally love that take, but u feel like that’s what should’ve been done after First Class. Fox already squandered their opportunity to set countless classic stories in a chronologically accurate time period. I’m not saying if Marvel do it now it’d be a failure, but post First Class, that was a layup that Fox smoked.
I much prefer keeping his origins as a holocaust survivor, having him portrayed as an elderly man is also the best option. Depending on how mutants are finally introduced will be the reasoning behind the origin. If they are wedged into the timeline saying "we were here all along" then Magneto might not even be the character to use as it would severely undermine the character. It'll really depend on how they introduce the mutants.
Magneto had become so in tuned with Earth's magnetosphere that he ages on a geological scale.
there is a much easier option for Magneto origin shenanigans;
magnetism is part of the way cells interact with othe cells, altering that could easily change how they degrade over time:
or Wanda rips an alternate magneto out of the multiverse into our time.
The comics de-aged Magneto, even X-Men Evolution powered him up on Asteroid M. The comics later even had him in a storyline with Mutant Growth Hormone to supplement his fading powers. Any one of these would work fine.
The Maximoff name in and of itself is a connection. In a round about entomological way, Maximoff can be interpreted as meaning “Maksim’s” or “of Maksim.” Magneto’s birth name: Max Eisenhardt. Maksim means ‘maximum,’ which is easy to jump to from Max. So he basically claimed them with his name.
I hadn’t noticed the link! I always thought the surname was Because of mateo Maximoff , as the twins were supposed to be Romany. I think it’s cool how much meaning you can get out of character names.
Anyone remember the old x-men evolution show? In that show, magneto was hardly shown, when he was shown, he was visibly old an almost decrepit. But he built a machine to enhance a mutants abilities, and when he used it, he looked visibly younger/fitter, as well as more powerful.
I think he rebuilt the vita radiation machine that they use on the rebirth program to made Capitan America. Also, that machine had a collateral effect on humans that was killing Steve Rogers on the x-men evolution universe, but with mutants works as a deaged thing.
What if, in a twist of irony. Wolverine ends up saving Magneto as a boy from an internment camp, and has to give him a blood transfusion that also activates his X gene? It slows down his aging, but the further away from the infusion, the more the effect wears off. Allowing the actor to age normally when they cast him.
The X-Men cartoons had this. Not the blood transfusion part but the Wolverine saving a young Magneto part.
@@baalwadi oh what episode!!!
I feel like the trauma of the holocaust should activate the gene, not a blood transfusion once he is safe
That is a GREAT IDEA!!!
Solid idea !
Unrelated, but am I the only who hates the whole "Wanda creates mutants by pulling a reverse House Of M!" fan theory that seems to be popular for some reason? Mutants being created by the Scarlet Witch in the MCU would take away the metaphor of mutants, their “other”ness would be given to them and not biological. As an X-Men fan, this feels detrimental to the whole point of mutants, why I have always loved and related to these characters struggles. It reminds me of the "explanation" for mutants in the Ultimate universe, except that was wildly rejected back then, but for some reason people seem to want this for MCU X-Men.
Either they have always existed but more and more are being born and they can't keep in the shadows anymore or have them in a separate, alternate timeline.
This isn't about anything said in the video btw, I just saw a comment alluding to this theory and it annoys me how it keeps being brought up everywhere lol. Really hope it doesn't happen.
Yeah it's a pretty dumb idea that doesn't work on many levels. Another thing about mutants/the X-Men is that not everyone gets cool weather manipulation or telepathy powers. A lot of them just end up looking deformed/"grotesque", and they face some of the crueler sides of humanity because of that. Scarlet Witch creating mutants gives them someone to justifiably be angry at for their "curses", a single person that they can direct their anger towards. What's stopping someone like Toad from just going to Wanda and being like "hey you literally turned me into a frog man, please change me back to normal"?
@@Lucas-jx8jg exactly!
Pretty sure that’s one of the reasons people love the xmen. They’re supposed to represent people that have been alienated and persecuted for being different and born with and not given or chosen for themselves.
Yeah, the reverse House of M idea is pure laziness. I would absolutely love if all these MCU heroes and spy agencies were completely oblivious to mutants, because of the Shadow King, or Professor X, or Mojo, or other mutants with telepathy were hiding mutants in plain sight from normal humans. And then one day, the veil is lifted and the world freaks out when they discover how potentially dangerous mutants are. It would perfectly set the stage for tension between the X-Men and other MCU heroes.
one thing that could be interesting is that if he has slow aging that effected his mindset. Magento is generally portrayed as a pretty intelligent guy with grand ambitions, but he's often doing grand risky things partly because he has limited time and so wants to cause change immediately. in a world where Magneto has basically all the time in the world, he can afford to play the long game, scheme behind the scenes, he's less desperate and therefore probably more careful
There's precedent in the MCU for multiverse characters to come from different times-- Magneto could probably arrive from another universe that's still in the 20th century. You could even have scenes where he reconciles the fact that so much time has passed since the holocaust, and he maybe even gets fight some neo Nazis
There are currently studies on the slowing (and potentially stopping) of telomere degradation. Some of the researchers propose that a static magnetic field can keep cells in their current state for long periods of time. This being the case, Magneto's original power could essentially make him immortal.
What's crazy is that they say we might get this stuff within our lifetimes
in my opinion keeping magneto a survivor makes him such a richer more motivated and complex character than any other backstory could
I saw somebody on Reddit suggest that Magneto could be the child of someone who survived the Holocaust. It's an interesting idea in so far as it introduces the concept of inherited trauma and challenges the idea of the Holocaust as a solely historical event, as opposed to part of an ongoing threat.
Personally, I think there's a lot of potential in Magneto being motivated by the experience of watching someone he loves spend decades of their life affected by this trauma. If we want to stress Magneto's deep empathy, the idea that he's motivated by watching someone's lifetime of pain could be a way to heighten that.
I really like this idea. MCU!Mags being raised by his grandparent(s) (said survivor(s)),and having a strong empathy (of the non-powered kind) for them. His darker nature could easily have come from the reason for being raised by grandparents being that his parents were killed by bigots, building up his anger at persecutors.
That's actually an excellent idea.
Wrote the same thing above and then saw your comment. Absolutely agree this is the way to go - if his father for instance survived as a young child, Magneto could have been born in the 70s, making him in his early 50s
Linking on to the magic reason, I’m sure you could incorporate the Hellfire Club and say he made a deal with them in the past, and maybe someone like Selene allowed his ageing to stop or slow down. This would create a deeper connection to the Hellfire club for when the MCU would get around to them.
You could easily connect Magneto to HYDRA, have them test out some of their technology or Captain America derived supersoldier serum on him to see how it effects mutants and have it just enhance his powers and extend his lifespan
You are called 'Vs Movies' but, bro, you have one of the best working knowledge of these comics of anyone that I have found on YT. I love the way that you think this through and reason it out. New sub here :)
If Natalya made Magneto younger to protect their kids, where was he when they were trapped beside the Stark bomb (maybe he prevented it from going off), what about when they were being experimented on? And most critically when Pietro was killed?
He isn't omniscient... He could have easily been away on other business or even be locked down/ imprisoned by one of the many organisations or powerful beings. He can only respond to a situation if he knows about it or is physically able to.
I like the idea of this version of events having happened.
Idk they could say he was using her the whole time to get his aging reversed and then left before he actually knew he had kids. Would be a little different than what was proposed as the age reversal would be to protect the kids, could just be so they could live together longer cuz she’s immortal for some reason
Please no don't change anything about Magneto... I say completely and truthfully say the Holocaust is part of this world history and should not be forgotten oh, by the way Michael Fassbender did a fantastic job as "Magneto" so if we're to have any actor I wanted to be Michael he does such a fantastic job, everytime you can see the power struggle to do right, honestly I can't think of anyone better Michael Fassbender has to be Magneto... and mistakes of the past should never be recommitted as the atrocities of the Holocaust should go on to teach and caution people differences and instead Embrace each other for each other's strengths.
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There is an easier way to go about this mess. If the multiverse is going to be the means by which mutants are brought into the MCU, we've already seen that time lines can heavily vary in not only the details of people, places and things, but also in the flow of time. The timeline that Magneto and other mutants might cross over from could just be one that is set back a few decades compared to the current MCU date.
I like the idea of it being a mutant, someone who’s on his side and their contribution to the cause is healing Magneto and reversing his aging. What about Fabian Cortez? He was one of Magneto’s Acolytes who appeared to be a healer, but whose powers were actually just giving Magneto a power boost that was potentially addictive.
great analysis. lots of options. i think experimentation is the best option but would love any of these in MCU
4:23 “like Alex Mack” Major Points for that reference
I feel the Holocaust is still relevant given the rise in people denying it.
His origin should be kept, no doubt. It is intimately connected to the Holocaust and it would be downright offensive to erase it and replace it with something else.
I haven't kept up with the comics so I didn't know about that retcon of Wanda's and Pietro's mother, but I see that as an opportunity to justify the absence of a large number of mutants from the MCU, because we still have to consider the context into which these characters will be brought into: a world that seems to not have even heard about mutants. So, what I'm thinking is that instead of having Wanda say "No more mutants", that House of M story, in the MCU, is a past event that was caused by her mother Natalya, or maybe her grandmother (who could be Magda, which I think is the name of Magneto's wife originally, right?) because that would've had to have happened much earlier to not be too long after WWII. Magneto would've been one of the many who lost his powers and was then escorted by one or a few of the remaining mutants to the Savage Land, to keep him safe from humans bent on killing him, and there in the Savage Land he could be kept alive and aging slowly due to the Savage Land itself or some mutant's power like you said. Maybe Xorn. Maybe Magda herself. Then they'd have a falling out because Magneto never really forgives that incarnation of the Scarlet Witch (in this case it would ve Magda, Wanda's grandmother) for making him lose his identity as a mutant, and she leaves the Savage Land pregnant (with Natalya?) without him knowing, and conflicted with her own actions because on the one hand she saved a lot of people but on the other hand she did so by making them become different people, no longer mutants, which didn't solve the problem of prejudice, it just appeased the bigots at the expense of people's sense of identity as ex-mutants. Cut to present day and either the Blip or Wanda reverses that "House of M" event.
Add in some Prof X wiping out the memory of mutants from all of humanity using Cerebro to keep the remaining ones safe, and then getting into trouble with whatever council will be judging Dr. Strange, and it can all be woven together nicely. Or we could have that memory erasure part be done by Natalya when she realizes her twin babies have a latent X-gene, that may be activated inadvertently by her own Chaos Magic, and she wants a fresh slate for them, so she either does it herself or asks Prof X to do it, or they do it together.
Might be interesting to have Magneto be a historical figure who was assassinated before he could accomplish much, but one of those time-traveling mutants you mentioned manages to save him, then keep the timeline running neatly by faking his assassination and bringing him to the time-traveler's time, because mutantkind needs him.
Also something that could provide interesting conflict: Wanda and Pietro started out working with HYDRA. Magneto could take that as the ultimate failure on his part
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Amazing as always
This exact issue was actually addressed in the X-Men: Evolution animated series. There was a whole episode where Magneto was gathering all these components to build something, and only Wolverine seemed to know what he was up to, but wouldn't divulge the info to anyone else. Turned out, Magneto was dying, and he was looking for the lost tech that made Steve Rogers into Captain America, and was going to use this to rejuvenate himself. Wolverine had promised Steve Rogers to never allow anyone to "resurrect" the program, which was why he was trying not to let anyone ELSE in on the secret, even the other X-Men. Magneto actually rebuilds the machine and begins the process, but is interrupted by Wolverine. The end result is that Magneto got a smaller dose of Super Soldier changes, reversing some of his aging, but not the full process, so he is not himself a true Super Soldier. What we wound up with was a 50ish year old Magneto, instead of an old, dying Magneto. Pretty interesting take on solving the Magneto Problem!
I think my favorite version of this is Magento was shot into the future. Like the captain America frozen orgin it can work forever you just keep updating the amount of time. But it also feels different from caps situation so its not a repeat. Magento being a man out of time also works because he might believe he was destined to go to the future to deal with history repeating itself. He'll see the early signs of a second holocaust with the rise of the mutants
Well in Wandavision it was revealed that Wanda already had her powers as a child. So either her powers are from her parents or from some unknown biological parent like Magneto.
While I'm in favor of keeping the Holocaust origin (because I'd like to see it tied to Cap's origin), I could see the MCU changing it to be some random "mutant interment camp" (which experiments on mutants & their families). But I think w/ their history, Fabian Cortez (codenamed "Zealot"--referencing the mutate Magneto killed. Or "Acolyte"--referencing Magneto's former followers) should use his powers to periodically "heal" Magneto (keeping him young & healthy), as their "mutant Messiah". He could be Magneto's 1st & most devout follower, who later betrays him (somewhat like how Cyclops was the 1st X-Man, who also "betrayed" Xavier before).
Fabian Cortez sprang to my mind as soon as I read the title of the video. That was a great comic story. I’d love to see some Asteroid M action in the MCU.
Great video, FANTASTIC Alex Mac reference. Take your thumbs up, Nando.
I feel like this is over complicating an obvious storyline: They are just coming over from another dimension, probably from the First Class timeline. Even if they have to recast whoever doesn't want to carry over, it's an easy fix that they've already hinted at and would be simple to use.
Yes, I know Patrick Stewart is in the new movie, but that doesn't mean he will be THE MCU's Professor X. He is old and I am already shocked he has come back to play the character after Logan. They need a young cast so they will cast a young-ish Magneto and just use dimension hopping to keep the Nazi's involved. Easy.
New idea, Magneto and Natalya are their grandparents, the whole Scarlet Witch thing now skips generations, Natalya was keeping herself and Magneto young until she died shortly before Iryna and Oleg or shortly before Age of Ultron, depending on how old they want the actor to be, so in the MCU, Magneto would be their grandfather and not their dad
I really like this idea!
What if Magneto is just a variant of Oleg Maximoff from Wandavision
Ain't his wife suppose to be magda. Plus just make him their dad.
Wanda pulls a variant of her father from another timeline into modern day Marvel. Bam, Magneto.
wait you're one of the 12 people who actually watched Legion? that show is so criminally unknown and underrated. It's amazing.
"How to solve Magneto problem"
Solution: X Men Evolution. Magneto uses a form of Super Solider syrup to preserve himself or decelerate his aging process.
Super Soldier Syrup should have been the renaming of Aunt Jemima.
@@ishotmyboss spellcheck agrees
@@ishotmyboss lol I’m dying. Also, that is my favorite syrup.
Or he’s and old man who survived the holocaust and is Wanda and Pietro’s grandfather
Someone suggested that Magneto should be an assassin controlled by Nazis, and that he'd get put on ice between missions? Really? How many times does Marvel need to repeat the Project MKUltra allegory they already perfectly nailed with Captain America: The Winter Soldier? If any X-Men character should be used to retread the supersoldier assassin story again, it should be Wolverine. He's the MKUltra alllegory in the X-Men roster, and his Weapon X backstory can easily fit next to the Winter Soldiers, Black Widows, and Taskmaster stories.
Yeah this imo is the worst idea I've seen semi-regularly
I've seen it mentioned a bit here but the MCU drew a lot of early inspiration from Ultimate Marvel and basically everything that happened there was because of the Super Soldier Serum. Incredible Hulk and Captain America and The Winter Soldier both utilize it as a main plot point. You could just say he got his hands on it and it slowed his aging. If he was hunting Nazis or something he could easily have stumbled across it and used it at whatever point you want.
Seems like the Illuminate are from outside time/space, so Magneto could be part of their group and still young because time doesn't flow where they've been hiding/staying.
I really want Magneto to be the father of Elizabeth Olsens Scarlet witch and Evan Peters Quicksilver. I really hope they find a way to make this work. I just really want to see Evan Peters Quicksilver again with his iconic power from the Fox films.
He probably will be in the Multiverse, but not the Sacred Timeline.
I'd prefer they bring back Aaron Taylor Johnson and redeem his character
@@VictoryReviews he's too busy with Sony's Kraven nonsense
This would be a mess. We don't need to bring Evan Peters back either. He's already played fake Quicksilver.
@@VictoryReviews This!
The problem with having him age slow is like what was he doing this entire time? They are going to have to find a way to introduce mutants and if they've been around for a while he should have been causing waves. Obviously they could bring them in from another universe but feels super cheap to me. It'll be interesting to see what they do.
They could just make it that the Mutants hadn’t been involved in a global/Avengers level threat. That most of their conflicts were covered up. And/or Charles is making the world forget with Cerebro. That would be the best option as we don’t need a world ending catastrophe in every MCU film.
Mutants were a secret for most of X-Men Evolution and they had Magneto operating in the shadows, with Professor X occasionally erasing some minds when things got out of hand. Basically SHIELD was aware of mutants and developed the Sentinels in secret, and when Magneto finds that out he takes action and forces the X-Men into using their powers in public. I think something like that could work.
We’re just gonna have to accept a level of Harry Potter secret society stuff if we want to have the X-Men come from the main MCU universe. Or go full HOX & POX on us with the “while you slept the world changed” storyline & say that at 1 point before the MCU started with iron man that mutants had existed but disappeared to Krakoa.
@@Lucas-jx8jg That would make a ton of sense, and I think works perfectly with the narrative. However, I also think that mutants should be somewhat tied to the Civil Rights movement and be considered cripples during the holocaust. Basically people who have these mutations would be considered outcasts of society, but aren't seen as anything but freaks to most people except SHIELD.
What if Magneto has been hanging out, peacefully ruling Genosha the entire time, secretly saving mutants and bringing them back home with him. Then some tragedy happens, or the rest of the world somehow discovers Genosha and attacks, radicalising Magneto and making him see that being peaceful isn't an option.
I also like your idea of tying the twins back to them being his children and the parents; the twins believe their parents are actually the twin's aunt and uncle. It could be that, like in the 90s cartoon, he fell in love with a gypsy, but in this case, she is the Scarlett witch posing as a gypsy queen. Then during the birth of the twins, the village or hospital gets attacked wife dies, but in her last birth, she casts the unaging spell. Then he gives up the twins, hunting down the attackers, and doesn't come back the cause of mourning and rage. Then Polaris could be born later and so forth.
To your first suggestion, Magneto isn't just the master of magnetism, he has some base control over the entire electromagnetic spectrum. It would be possible that his powers are removing mutations in his body that normally cause aging in an autonomous fashion.
I think giving mutants in genral slowed aging could be a nice piece
It would seperate mutants from other powered characters if they had some unifying genetic characteristic to push the new race idea that magneto often used
Bringing up how Wanda's mother, Natalya, could've been the original Scarlet Witch makes me think that maybe her mother was the one that originally said "No More Mutants" all that time ago and the mutants physically disappeared from existence ala the Blip. This blip, however, would wipe them from history as well so that's why nobody brings them up. Wanda learns this in Multiverse of Madness, finds out that she's basically the first mutant born again after all this time, and brings the mutants back. This keeps them being from their original time and thrusting them into our current timeline without any crazy history ramifications and also solves the Magneto timeline problem well.
I agree with your first suggestion. Its just a by product of his magnetism powers. You also have to consider Xavier tho, because they are historically old friends.
Bonus points for the Alex Mack reference. There are days I feel like I imagined that show.
I've thought about this myself a lot, and I think I have an idea that might help explain a lot of the aging issues with Magneto and others, not just for the MCU, but for the comics as well.
Make it so that all mutants are born with a healing factor that slows down the aging process.
"But that's Wolverine's gimmick."
Wolverine's can still be greater than most other mutants', still making him unusual among them. But with all mutants having a similar (though weaker) healing factor would do a few things that I think make sense for them:
-It reinforces the idea that mutants are the next stage of human evolution, a superior version of what came before. All mutants can now naturally live longer than the average human, heal faster than normal people (though still not as much as Wolverine), and might have stronger immunities to some diseases. It would also explain why the X-Men and other mutants are able to take more of a beating and survive things most humans can't.
-It could help with the sliding timeline problem. Since mutants can now live longer than humans on average, now having Magneto still be a Holocaust survivor is more plausible than ever. And since his healing factor can be like that of an average mutant's, he can be nearly or over 100 years old and not look a day over 60 or 70; whereas someone like Wolverine, who has an unnaturally higher healing factor than most mutants do, would only look 30 or 40 despite being far older than Magneto.
It's a bit of a retcon, yes, but I can see it working quite well in the X-Men mythos all across the board.
Why make it a healing factor though? Just make it an increased lifespan. If Harry Potter wizards can live for 250-300 years (Headmaster Dippet), why not just say mutants live longer and have delayed aging when they reach their prime age? Wizards don’t technically have a “healing factor”, but it’s just incidental. Making it a healing factor lowers the threat they would experience. There’s just too many documented injuries to mutants that prove they don’t have enhanced healing.
@@anonnyanonymous4800 Mainly because healing is what increases Wolverine's lifespan, so it would make sense if other mutants had something similar to extend theirs and give them more durability, but again, not as powerful. If theirs were as powerful as Wolverine's, then you would be right and there would be zero tension. On the other hand, having a healing factor of some kind would allow for there to be violent battles where both sides take a great deal of damage and nobody would cry foul as to why none of them died when they most likely should have.
I find it weird that you would cite Harry Potter as a comparison of all things, since Harry Potter has nothing to do with Marvel, is a completely separate universe and therefore works under different rules anyway. Just an out-of-left-field example in my opinion.
So far your best point is that there is no documented evidence that other mutants have healing based on the injuries they suffered before. Like I said, the inclusion of one would be a retcon, one probably best introduced in a reboot.
Could it just be extended age and no healing factor? Perhaps. My question would be then why Wolverine's is so directly tied to his slowed aging but not the other mutants. Still, I'm glad you brought it up; I'm not saying it *has* to be healing factor, it was just one idea I had. Thanks for asking.
Isn't the main issue that there has been no indication of the existence of mutants period...
I mean the MCU's timeline spans from the war cap fought in, all the way to 2025
We've dealt with everything from international secret agencies, super soldiers, world governments, multiple world ending threats and cosmic beings
The main question is where have the mutants been all this time and why we haven't heard anything of them
Magneto's age seems a minor issue compared to that...as you've rightly shown several ways that can be worked around
With the history of mutants and the magnitude of their conflicts...at least in comics and animation...it'll be hard to explain why they're all just showing up out of nowhere
And making the X-gene a recent development....like say product of the failed birth of a celestial...or the destruction of the infinity stones....would erase all of that history
I mean, now they've opened up the multiverse and introduced the TVA and deleted timelines etc, there's always going to be an easy out for this type of stuff. One reasonably plausible guess, based on what we've seen so far, is Wanda, hearing the voices of her actual living mutant children in another timeline, attempts to merge that timeline with her own and does a reverse "no more mutants".
Honestly I don't care I'm willing to accept that they've just never come up in conversation till now
@@Ultinuc 😂😂 someone just wants to see the mutants in the MCU
@@Olisaeh 😂😂 nah I like mutants but the Marvel continuity where everything has to be explained is just getting really tiring for me, especially cos it usually just creates more holes in the continuity than it fixes
@@TheDelinear my concern with merging timelines was how it'd affect the history of the existing main timeline (i.e pretty much everything we've seen so far)
Explanations could get messy....
Of course they could just not bother with semantics....that could work too 🤔
Although you and I disagree on the merits of the “suspended animation owing to Hydra” scenario to explain Magneto’s expected relatively youthful appearance (and likely “peak” power level), I commend you on the amount of research, reasoning, speculation and work that you put into this video! 👏✌️
i think combining the idea of agatha helping magneto stay young and wanda still being his kid could work well. like agatha saw the future of wanda and got herself a bargaining chip, keeping magneto alive
My personal favorite pet theory is this: Since we know (or at least, speculate) that the introduction of mutants to the MCU will be via the Multiverse, why not say that in one instance of the Multiverse, WW2 never ended (or at least went on for much longer), and Magneto is from that one. Having a holocaust that lasted well into the 70's/80's would make whatever age we want Magneto to be easy, plus if it went on that long, he would have such a rage-on for exterminating all evil-doers that it would make him a bit more sympathetic.
Plus it would be like the episode of ST:TNG "Parallels" where the war with the Borg never ended, and Patrick Stewart's there, we get cool imagery, etc.
I'm really concerned they're just going to have him be a survivor of some other holocaust or some other horror and that just doesn't work.
Yeah hopefully that doesn’t happen
The holocaust will not
"just ask Bishop"
That struck with laser-precision.
Creating a character heavily influenced by the civil rights movement is a great idea. It's definitely not magneto, but I could see them being allies.
Option 6: Magneto doesn't have some way of staying young and is ≈100 years old. Instead of him being the focus, it's his daughter Polaris following in his footsteps (I don't like this one as much as many of them in the video, but it's another option).
I’ve been at the mercy of studios who were just redoing origin stories…
…never again.
One possibility would be to use what was used for the 13 and for the Red Skull. He and other super-powered operatives from the 1940 in an Axis lab where they were experimented upon. The lab was sealed as the Axis fled with the Allies approaching and being revived in the modern day. This would make many early Marvel/Timely characters available for use.
In the comics, Magneto has gotten deaged and when he was returned to adulthood, he was restored to his prime. It's even referred to in the Jim Lee X-Men #1.
I think you could make him the son or grandson of a holocaust survivor who grew up on the stories. As a black man who grew up listening to my grandfathers stories about the Jim Crow south I can see how the ancestor of a holocaust survivor would grow up to have an ideology similar to Magneto.
Better yet. Just make Magneto old. Give us a story about him trying to find someone who he can pass the torch onto.
There's a whole plot in X-Men Evolution about him finding some of the supersoldier Captain America tech to 'De-age' Himself. If he's already not powerful enough to have a naturally longer lifespan than humans or other mutants, this works.
Love the last one, and I’ll put it out there that is absolutely has to be Christoph Waltz
Honestly I think they should just have all mutants age slower or something, because we all know they’re just going to keep all the x men ambiguously 20 for decades
Wasn't the Holocaust only the foundation of him becoming Magneto in the comics? The straw that broke the camel's back was the killing of his wife and daughter.
Yes. It is integral to his origin.
@@anubusx but is it though? Magneto, at his core, is a victim of childhood trauma that had to do with a group of people he was a part of. What pushed him over the edge was his family being killed because he belonged to another group of people. He wasn’t yet Magneto when his family (wife and daughter) was killed.
Having other mutants keep magneto young can help with some kind of Cult leader Magneto , which could also go hand in hand with spiraling radicalization and isolation. Although too much Jim Jones in Magneto could be off-putting.
i think that the "time travel" one could work where he or someone that works for him stole the original prof hulk formulas where prof hulk moved time through scott lang instead of scott lang through time.
I firmly believe that in the multiverse of madness we will get an introduction to the X-Men. All they would have to do is have magneto come from a universe whose timeline is slightly different from ours. This way you can retain his origin story, his age, and even suggest that he was the father of Scarlet witch but a different universes Scarlet witch.
I really hope mutants don’t come from an alternative timeline in the MCU. I’d absolutely love it if the whole world was oblivious to mutants, because some powerful mutant(s) had hidden themselves from other superheroes, SWORD and SHIELD. Perhaps the mutant telepaths could wipe the memory of mutants from everyone’s minds on a regular basis.
Never in my life did I expect junkrat being a flat earther to be brought up in an x-men video
I like that last solution a lot. It never crossed my mind, but it makes a lot of sense.
To play off of that Xorn idea, you can make it so that Xorn died so Magneto could fake his death. Perhaps they get caught in a tight spot and Xorn, realizing that Magneto is crucial to the mutant revolution, makes everyone believe Magneto is dead by dying as him so that Magneto can live on.