X-Men - Professor X and Magneto: Opposing Ideologies
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- Charles Xavier vs Erik Lensherr, Professor X vs Magneto, The X-Men vs the Brotherhood of Mutants. A constant battle between two opposing ideas, but with the same goal. Leave your opinion in the comments.
Note: only Charles' father was a doctor.
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Magneto has always been my favorite Marvel Character since I was a child. Magneto could never trust humans after seeing the camps. Humans killed other humans in Mass numbers because of slight differences, so imagine what they would don't to Mutants.
@Robert Terry what about Mutants killing other Mutants over slight differences, what then?
@@Seasonal-Shadow_4674 yeah mutants never created sentinels to complete a total genocide.
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@@terrythegreat70 ok Mr Sinister
I tend to favor Xavier over Erik is because, fundamentally not all mutants are equal. Some have the ability to control minds, topple buildings and raze cities and some are just toads or blobs or jubilees. Its important to realize that being descended from a common ancestor doesn't make you the same species. Mutants aren't a collective. If Magneto is successful and creates a world of only mutants, the pre-existing differences will start to become more obvious and it would lead to discrimination among mutantkind. Humans are more equal than mutants and yet they still have wars, poverty and suffering. No one can ever truly get rid prejudice, so why not try to coexist.
locol the one Some are "just" Jubilees?
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That girl was CAUSING MATTER TO EXPLODE ON A SUBATOMIC LEVEL. I'm pretty sure she was stated to be AT LEAST Alpha-Level, if not Omega. I know for certain they state that she was subconsciously holding the majority of her power back with multiple mental blocks. I don't make fun of Aquaman, and I don't make fun of Jubilee.
There is a reason why I founded the Providence Defense Coalition as a means of defending humanity against aggressive mutants, and ensuring that no torture or helplessness at their hands such as what I had gone through, would never happen to anyone again, that they would not use their power to become a monster.
Not true Magneto accepts all mutants those who are powerful and those who are normal as long as they're a mutant he accepts all it's humans who will not accept anybody even their own. Magneto said it best when he said "Look at them Charles they can't find peace with each other how are they going to make peace with us?"" " we are completely different race but they will battle their own to Extinction"..
That type of thought will onlt lead for the status quo to keep being dominant stepping on us.
Magneto is right.
@@ladyday8576 Magneto has been shown multiple times willing to sacrifice mutants for his grand purpose. If a mutant can be used as a pawn, Magneto will use them regardless of their safety. Xavier cares enough and tries to come up with the solutions that ensure everyone's survival, even though they're flawed and fail sometimes. Charles cares more and values life more than Magneto and though I understand where Magneto is coming from, deep down he is led by hatred and vengeance.
I think the cruel reality of their characters is that their goal of equality and peace were totally within their grasp, but Charles lacked the heart to fight for what he believes is right, while erik refused to reason when he’s wrong.
That’s why I love their dynamic, both have their flaws and merits
I like how in the marvel universe the same people who love heroes like Spiderman and the Fantastic Four hate mutants lol
Reminds me of real life bigots. I have an aunt who loves Jackie Chan and Julie Chen, yet is still very prejudiced towards Asians as a whole.
It simply baffles and irritates me lol.
Spider-Man isn't q mutant
that is why i think that it cannot be a universe with both coexisting. Otherwise, the fight will start in pre-production on how the universe itself would behave towards them.
@Lockjaw Agengers are famous while xmen are infamous for the same reason.
Spidey and F4 are mutates so they still fall under "not" human when it comes to Sentinel attacks. The problem is a writing inconsistency X-men and "Avengers" somewhat live in a different universe due to the writing mistakes. Since if the writing was consistent then that means Avengers turned their backs on mutants more than once when government and foreign bodies attacking them leading to massacres.
Xavier and Magneto are probably one of the more tragic characters in Marvel. Two best friends, divided in how to help their people.
I just wish they could've worked together! Instinctively I feel like Magneto is right, humanity is scum. However I think neither of their methods will ever truly work but if they found a middle ground that might do the trick!
Josha Curlie i feel that is where the recent xmen movies are going with these characters
It retains the upbringing of both characters but in xmen apocalypse you see them at the end reach a middle ground
Charles accepts that the peace he wants between both humans and mutants is far from becoming a reality and forms the first official xmen team of this timeline to try and help that future exist while also protecting his school where that future already exists in a small way
Eric realises that there is evil on both sides and pitting them against each other will ultimately lead to little progress
They probably haven't found a middle ground yet but there both accepting of the fact that how they were going about it before isn't the answer to this problem
Honestly, there is no difference between humans and mutants.
Being a human or a mutant does not make you a good person or a bad one or even an evil one. They all are just people with different lifes, past, experiences.
Having some extra powers is just an additional edge in this whole mess of a world of struggle and survival.
Plus all the envy comes to play, idk how about you all folks, but i'll be feeling envious if i knew that there are people who can bend physic laws by sheer fact of existing.
It's easier to call people with X gene as somethinb but a human, because calling them human leads to a lot of frustration not everyone can handle. In a different but similiar, albeit if much darker sense this is why mass murderers, tyrants and just batshit crazy people are often called "monsters" or "abominations", because accepting that *that* is a part of humanity and by proxy - natural is no fun to say the least.
But, that is what i *think* is right and it is. What i would actually do may (not) have anything to do with the previous. Afterall... when it all comes down to the core of everything - there is no rules, only power. Never strike first, but always have power and means to defend yourself.
So in the end... i think i would not truly care about either position. They both are wrong and right at the same time. Besides, time will wage ruin to their ideals even if they managed to install and uphold them. Xavier is all about justice - protect the innocent and not so innocent from themselves or otherwise, where Erik is all about vengeance - to punish the vile and wicked and... those on his path. The charm of such characters as Apocalypse or Mr. Sinister is too appealing to me, not what they do but what they are in a nutshell - individualists, i don't share their evil intentions, but i do acknowledge them wanting to be independent... essentially to be safe.
*tl;dr:*
Erik ftw.
ps: would be interesting to see how things ended up going if Magneto and Charles had swapped life but were the same people.
Josha Curlie
Um speak for yourself honey. Humanity is not scum. Technically that's racist since you're classifying all humans as scum just because you've seen other humans do it.
@@appledough3843 actually the term you're looking for is specist and humanity has done enough shitty things to earn that enmity.
@@appledough3843 Lol if he's racist you're the other end thinking everybody is purely a saint XD
I generally agree with Magneto, to a point. Mutants should defend themselves when threatened, they need to ensure their survival. but I don't think this excuses genocide of the human race. any long term peace will most likely stem from Xavier's message of love, peace, and acceptance.
That Reminds me of how they we're Full of Hatred during the civil war
Aye.
same
professor x love peach but fear of war.If you want peach then sometime you have have war.
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Pause. Bro. Pause.
Pause bro. But lowkey true...
Never actually thought about the mutants like that, thanks for the good brain food. I think the answer lays in respect both sides can think anyway they please, but respect brings understanding and caution which can lead to a fragile but real peace.
But what if their ideologies become conflicted in a way that one impedes the other? Conflict is inevitable.
ᛟ VALHALLA ᛟ Their ideologies diametrically oppose each other to begin with.
Patato-Tot Yep :/
The greatest issue I have with Charles and Magneto's ideologies is that they, by there very nature, always end up isolating mutant kind from humanity; Charles because he wants to teach them how to use their powers (which is a noble goal) and Magneto because he wants to protect them from the wrath of those who hate them (also a noble goal).
However, because of this, no emphasis is placed on integration, on bridging the gap between mutant and human until they are one and the same- and that, I think, is the biggest flaw in both their beliefs. They have differing views on how mutants should interact with humanity (peaceful dialogue vs violent action), but both agree that mutant-kind is separate from mankind, which ultimately forces them into a stalemate because neither is addressing the real issue at hand: There is no mutant-kind, just mankind. Because, regardless of whether they have weird powers or not, they are still human, still a person with thoughts and feelings, hopes and dreams, loves and losses. And powers, no matter how special or dangerous they may be, don't change that.
There can be no intergation just separation....I prefer Magneto ideology his own nation for mutants their own home
Frankly the only way true integration would be possible would be interbreeding till everyone is a mutant and then you have the problem of mutant hierarchy like alphas betas and Omega level mutants. Unlike human conflict some mutants are objectively superior to others which will breed conflict.
agree @@ronnykyles4295
That's way cyclops is the best leader for mutants. If was a omega level mutants then he could save mutants.
I always loved the brotherly bond and level of respect these two had for each other. Their methods may be different, but their goal is the same: prosperity for mutantkind
Charles is a fool who thinks passivity will lead to change and Magneto is a hypocrite who thinks genocide is acceptable if he’s doing it.
They’re both wrong. That’s how storytelling works. Each of them have a piece of the puzzle, but their refusal to comprise has doomed their goals both.
Charles has the level head to recognize ordinary people have innate value as more than expendable stepping stones. Magneto has the experience to understand tangible bold actions are required to enact real change. They could’ve made progress a long time ago. Tragically, their worldviews and experiences have given each of them half of the answer at the expense of the other. Charles lived a coddled life of privilege where matters of mind are literally all that matter, and Magneto lived a life of atrocity where matters of force are literally all that matter. It even displays itself in their mutant ability. They each control what they value most. Charles can change people’s minds and Magneto can bend the world to his will. Not recognizing that both must be put into use as a unified effort to create a lasting difference.
Was DR. King a fool then?
@Jay i mean, he did succeed for the most part. There are equal rights now.
@@christiancrusader9374 Charles works as Doctor king in some ways but not in others. Martin Luther king had bold actions. He protested in the streets and openly. Professor X hides away and ignores the oppression of his people. I think bold action is needed but it needs to be done in a peaceful way. Do protests, refuse to help the humans unless they offer reward. Lots of times the X men saved the world but asked nothing in return. Anyway that's how I view it at least.
Evan Dugas yeah, Charles Xavier is most like the popular, quite whitewashed idea of Martin Luther King Jr, and the same is true of Magneto’s depiction as an allegory to Malcolm X, whose effectiveness and proportional response is frequently written out of history.
Jay you seem like a calm guy having a normal one
Great video Sage.
I have to favor Professor X. If you aren't helping, you're making things worse. I believe a calm answer turns away wrath.But, I can't deny that peaceful resolutions don't always resolve. Sometimes the hurt is too deep to conceptualize. I don't think there is a solution in either of their ideals sadly. In fighting back you further alienate the other, increasing negative reputation. On the other hand, kindness creates an opening for manipulation, and perversion in favor of personal gain at the expense of others. The damage that has been done has been done, and remedying that on a grand scale would take too long to bring both gazes to eye-level. You have two perspectives looking in opposite directions. How can you ever see one another if you do that?
Great video, really encourages a moral dialogue on who is more right. I don't think humanity can ever come to this conclusion on their own. As long as people disagree and are willing to destroy each other over that disagreement, people will never come to understand one another....
We are all equal no matter what people say. We should strive to treat people as we want to be treated
This debate between Charles and Erik is framed by them living in the USA. The land where politicians need private sponsors due to an out of control voting arms race, education is more likely to be lacking or biased, and money talks a lot more due to the cultural over-emphasis on capitalism (sometimes to the detriment of society).
Charles is, I believe, in the right. However he is nowhere near proactive enough to ensure his goal. He needs to be running positive pr campaigns, pander more to the general public, bri- I mean lobby with large sums of money to convince both political parties to not bury him under rhetoric and their own pandering, get that money by swaying key financial supporters and capitalize more on the heroics of the X-men.
Do the right thing and it'll all turn out fine isn't enough in the USA. If the X-men were housed in Germany as an example, they wouldn't be accepted outright but Charles' idea of leading by peaceful example would work far better because of the political climate.
Exactly!
The reason I hate and refuse to acknowledge the parallels between the Dr. King to Professor X and Magneto to Malcolm X is this: They grossly misunderstand the philosophies integral to the work that both real life men did.
Prof. X didn't block traffic. King did. Prof. X didn't engage in political debate. King did. Prof. X didn't protest mutant (black) discrimination. King did. Prof. X took no active role in fighting for mutant liberation. He built a school, took no political stances, engaged in no civil disobedience and hoped that humans would love mutants if mutants kept saving them. Dr. King was peaceful, not passive. Prof. X is passive.
Malcolm X believed in power and establishing and maintaining black folks right to self defense. Magneto is a domestic terrorist who often openly fights for mutant superiority. Not equality. Superiority.
That comparison and others like it are another case of white creators deeply misunderstanding our stories and political views while trying to write them on our behalf. I don't give a fuck what Stan Lee said in 63. Those characters are not based on Malcolm or Martin. They literally can't be.
Not only that,why the heck do we have to choose between extreme pacifism and extreme machiavellianism ? ,and as you stated,non of the great activists was like that,Dr.King wasn't completly pacifist,while Malcom believed in self-defense and not race-superiority ,not to mention that Malcom was murdered by a black under the eyes of white police officers.
Man, exeacly
They literally can be. Based off of doesn’t mean copied or identical.
determined di_myoor A closer resemblance to Malcolm X and Martin Luther King’s ideologies and actions would make a far better, more interesting and inspiring story imo- especially if they started in the positions they occupy in some of the better films. I would love to see, for example, Xavier and Magneto working alongside one another while still being critical of one another. A great story would be one that makes things better for mutants, but not entirely so, much like their real life activist forefathers progressed things for black Americans but didn’t Fix Racism Forever. I would adore to see that kind of nuance in an X-Men comic or movie, and I don’t think I’d be alone in that. If it was, it would be best if several writers from harshly oppressed minorities wrote it, particularly black and lgbt writers.
They are both embodiments of the extreme ideas of both individuals. MLK was a radical pacifist (and the reason that the civil rights movement actually succeeded), whereas Malcolm X was the reason people viewed it with animosity, his extreme ideology making several people fearful of those the Civil Rights Movement sought to protect. It's not about *what* they did, but how/why the did it. Prof. X was a pacifist because he feared that taking the violent approach would turn humanity, he thought that by trying to simply co-exist it would work out
Magneto believed it would never do so, and that 'equality' (supremacy in reality) could only be achieved through force.
Xavier is more right than Magneto. This is mostly due to the fact that over time, you can improve people's minds, and bring about tolerance and coexistence. While there will always be bigots of one stripe or another, you can build communities wherein those old hatreds are revealed to be pointless and self-defeating.
A key example in reality is how many people in modern day America don't really blink an eye at working, being friends with, or having romantic relations with those who are racially different. Sadly not to the extent that no one cares about such differences, but such barriers are slowly being eroded over time.
A key example in pop culture is in X-men Apocalypse, in how the teenagers from Xavier's school go to the mall in the US, and the worst harm they receive is Nightcrawler getting brain freeze from a smoothie. Due to Xavier's efforts, there is a solid community there who don't care about mutants being in the same area as them. I think this is solid proof that Xavier's efforts are building a better world.
The friends of humanity killed the professor X in the cartoon
Not gonna lie your voice is the best thing ever
Professor x is right...true Equality and peace can be obtain by understanding...
so until humans gets their shit together mutants are just supposed to take it. I personally disagree with professor X when it comes to that. If you refuse to respect my humanity then it would make perfect sense to do what is necessary to protect myself and my people.
Asfaque Khan We muslims feel like mutants, we get the blame for anything stupid any individual does.
That is just theory. But the reality is as long as there is free will, man can choose to NOT understand and that is what happens in real life. It is easy to say but if man was raised in a judgmental environment, you cannot expect him to not be judgmental like you cannot really expect a blind man to understand that an apple is red.
Man is like a cancer, it destroys a life whoever you may be.
@@pepehorhae I don't think anyone necessarily makes a conscious choice to not understand. Things such as Cognitive Dissonance or Cognitive Biases demonstrate this. And in regards to Free Will, our preconceptions about it are generally flawed given that the model many people have for Free Will is closer to the Libertarian notion of it, which definitely doesn't seem to be the Free Will we possess if any at all, Depending on the definition. Wait I'm off topic
Well if there's someone who can get me out of this one word on what I'm about to say ......
It's ouroboros.
If there's someone that disagree with me let me know.
I know it's ancient, but it's in a way infinite on being right and wrong, on humans and mutants, Charles and Erick.
Personally, I believe that both Xavier and Erik have the correct philosophies and neither of them are entirely wrong (to an extent).
Charles is indeed correct about the fact that with patience, respect, selfless services and equality between both humans and mutants is the “right” way of doing things as it is a calmer way of handling the mutant discrimination. However, his greatest weakness lies in his ability to take that first step forward (joke intended) to actually try and make it happen by taking action and reinforcing his conviction and dream of building a unified way of life between both mutants and humans because at the end of the day, words are just empty sounds if you cannot back it up with conviction and desire to make it happen.
Erik, on the other hand, is also correct in his beliefs that mutants shouldn’t submit themselves to being slaves of inhuman treatment and behavior such as experimentation and discrimination. However, his greatest weakness lies in his approach of handling this bridge between humans and mutants because his actions has only filled the bridge with nothing but hate, fear, resentment and vengeance. If Erik was able to see humans and mutants as the same people living in the same world together while taking action to connect them together the right way without going down a destructive path, he would have become a better man that Charles had always seen him to be.
At the end of the day, Charles and Erik are both right and wrong. They both have the same noble and pure heart, but one is too pacifistic and lacked the heart to take action to unify the two worlds while the other is unable to see that not every human is evil and lacked the ability to reason with his actions. If Charles had the heart to fight for what he believed in and if Erik had the ability to reason with his action and realize that not all humans are evil, perhaps the two of them will be able to truly join hands.
They should really take a page from the Guardians of the Galaxy or really even just any space race in general. Out there among the Marvel stars, millions of different species of all shape, sizes, and yes powers coexist and collaborate. There are problems like anything else, but as far as differences go they all just treat each other as people. Out there, you chock up all the craziness to "just another day in the galaxy, always full of surprises"
On the one hand, Magneto is right. Often, violence is the only way to end injustice when one party benefits from the injustice. Examples: the American revolution and the French revolution. Often, accommodationalism just sends the message to the oppressors that they can keep doing whatever they want without consequences. The other colonies (Canada, Australia, et al) were able to get better treatment from the crown peacefully because America was violent in its demands.
But as some of Xavier's followers have pointed out to Magneto, if Magneto is successful on a global scale, then all he will accomplish is to reverse the roles of oppressor and the oppressed. His way will not actually reduce the injustice, just reverse its direction (that's the same flaw with Killmonger in the Black Panther movie).
Xavier's solution may be flawed and naive and may even fail, but at least his solution has the potential to directly address the injustice itself.
The only problem I have with Xavier is that he is simply too passive in his belief. He should actually consider getting some form of political and public representations for mutants if he really wants to get something done.
I agree with Erik that humans can be cruel and vicious to mutants and even to each other, but I also concur with Charles that separation can never end prejudice, but change starts with one individual.
Definitely a great topic keep em coming man
Dude, great video!!! Love the work you put into them and looking up the correct origins and all that❤
Thank you!
As a BLACK man I relate to magneto
Well thats just pathetic. What is the absolute you've experinced purely because you are black?
The fact that you at all think your first world struggels is comparable to a Jew in a nazi camp or a slave simply shows that you want to be the one that opresses. You only see skin color, and refuse to learn from our ancestors mistakes (Oh yeah, black people ALSO had slaves)
Amazing video, dude! Loved how you put the two chess scenes next to each other. Really shows how some things never change.
That's the confounding and fun part of the xmen thing. They are both right in a lot of ways
I absolutely love every video you make. It's makes me appreciate those shows even more keep up the good content.💯✊🏽
im with Malcome X so that means i would be Magneto. im not the one to turn the other cheek. you Defend yourself by any means necessary.
Love your vids man
I love the quotes you put at the end of your videos! They're always so poignant!
Quality video, good job sir
Everything u talk about is awesome keep up the great work
Great video man
I think the solution to the problem should be
1. Let both humans and mutants realize the cruel things they did for each other. May be they could create empathy for each other and forgive each other for that.
2. If 1st one doesn't work then ,like most people here saying, isolate them from each other. And then slowly find solutions to all their issues. But here the problem, though not that big, is who has the authority to isolate them as you can see in X-men universe that some mutants work in government too.
3. If both of the above ones don't work then the ultimate solution
--- ENLIGHTEN THEM
I'm sure they will find peace😊
There may be some other solutions but these are the ones that instantly came in my mind.
I didn't gave that much of a thought to it.
Realistically speaking magneto is correct even though his fight fire with fire philosophy is the wrong way to go about it the "equality is taken through force" rings true. Humans as a whole aren't gonna accept mutants, people genuinely fear other groups of people who's race, religion, cultural background is different from theirs which is dumb but the fear that humans have for mutants are understandable, mutants like Jean, Charles storm and cyclops can do so serious damge if they wanted to so it's easy for people to spread fear mongering propaganda about mutants.
You could also compare this to pain and Madara and saskue and obits in Naruto. Humans cannot understand one another unless they face similar pain. We rarely think in this way, which is why hatred exists. If you are reading this, I urge you to try to look at the point of view of other people, to see why they took the actions that they did. However, you cannot change others ideals to match yours which is the blessing and curse of today. If everyone thought alike, there wouldn't be any advances in life, and we wouldn't become better. However, racists and other unsightly thoughts cannot be changed unless that person is done away with, which is what saskue was talking about when he wanted revolution and what madara and obits wanted in the dream world
I see what you're saying but I think your first point fits more-so in line with Nagato's (Pain's) philosophy.
I agree, Nagato was the most rational one of the Naruto villansm and his Philosophy is a realistic middle ground between Professor X and Magneto. Madara and Obitos plan of a dream world is nothing more but escaping reality and erradicate it for the sake of a mass Illusion everyone lives as a dream. Where nothing and no one is real. Sure it would do the trick but is nothing but a lie afterall. And Sasuke well, Sasuke was an emo kid that lost his parents , sought revenge most of his life. Was corrupted and changed later down the road. Wanted revenge again against another target until way later where he finally got some sense knocked into him by Naruto.
Dave Harry
I agree with most of your comment. I just want to correct you on the part that states if we all thought the same then there would be no advancements. That's not necessarily true. What if we all us the mentality of open mindedness and hard work? And curiosity? Society would still advance. So it depends what mentality we'd all share. Just wanted to correct you there. Other than that I agree!
I think I lean more towards Magneto's way of thinking, of course there's merit to both approaches. Looking back on history, everyone remembers the great things Martin Luther King said...but not the same level of respect is given to Malcolm X. Not many people are willing to admit that civil rights was fought for using both ideologies. It's not enough to say nice words and ask nicely to be treated as equals, sometimes you have to be aggressive and demand your rightful place at the table.
The same thing happened with women's suffrage. It was through the extreme actions of the suffragettes that caught people's attention and pushed the conversation forward. Where the polite, women who asked nicely for their right to vote went ignored.
The LGBTQ movement only started to make great strides after the Stonewall riots happened. Yes, peace is always preferable but you need to agitate in order for your voices to be heard.
There's no certainty in Xavier's view of a better world, but in giving up on that hope you ensure that that future will not come to be
Erik: "goodbye, old friend."
Charles: "goodbye, old friend."
great video
Magneto, professor X, Batman and Joker should sit down and have a deep conversation
U make the best vids
I think neither person is completely right or wrong. While Professor X is right in the sense that peace should be achieved between humans and mutants it definitely will not happen overnight and humans by nature are judgemental so maybe to a certain degree yes peace can be obtained with compassionate,sympathetic humans but there will be always be people who fear what they don't understand. Magneto has every reason to feel rage towards humanity and the need to fight fire with fire is understandable but it will just confirm the fears people have towards mutants. I've never watched/read much of X men but it looks interesting
Didnt realise you have videos on more than just batman time to binge watch
With that voice you should voice anime, western animation, videogames, movie-translations.
Seriously, this is Councilor Voice Actor (Jon Bailey?) from XCOM level of awesomness.
I’m team Magneto. Magneto is a realist and does what needs to be done for the survival of his kind.
Amazing video dude keep doing your thing and also I was wondering are you from the US not that it matters I was just wondering?
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Equality can't be given, but the more you fight fire with fire it'll only make things worse. To some extent, you need to have fire, if not then you'll just be trampled. It's the same in humanity's personality. If your passive, then your used, if your aggressive your hated. You need to find a balance between the two.
How about being obserive-defensive
The sad part is they both are right.
Humanity is the constant balancing of extremes of ideology
Magneto and Malcolm are right. Even in the end Dr Rev Martin Luther King Jr and Xavier understood that their way wasn't the best way to establish equality.
I'm watching this for research on my latest podcast episode about the riots... I hate that society has truly manifested these two men and their ideologies... Amazing video
I would go with Charles because forgiveness is the only way to create true peace, and if you try to attain peace through power which is the way of Erik. It would only create more pain and suffering, so Charles is like 'let it go Erik and Erik would say they just don't understand us, Charles'.
The issue here is that one is simply too passive, and the other too aggressive.
After reading the text at 1:44 i find it ironic that it was later revealed that a large majority of mutants are actually from ancient halfbreeds between angels and humans
The exemptions to this that i know of are nightcrawler (through his father) and mutants like wolverine and sabertooth, being from devils and animal mutations respectively (i think the animal one it meant to mean natural human mutation rather than actual animals it's been awhile since I've read about this)
The older I become, the more I side with Magneto.
Yes me too because realistically magneto is right humans are just a buch of asholes humans don't accept what is different from them and human never will take an example of logan movie
I think we should give credit to Chris Claremont. He was the one, who came up with Magnetos iconic backstory. It should also be noted, that Magnetos reals name is Max Eisenhardt, not Erik Lensherr.
I love X-Men. While Xavier and Magneto are not perfect, I think the actual flaw here is that comics need status quo and thus neither can ever truly achieve their goals. In any other fictional media with an ending, Xavier COULD establish a world where humans began to trust mutants and there was lasting peace. But we know this peace cannot happen because comics prefer status quo and the status quo at Marvel is for mutants to be hated and feared. This also means that Magneto cannot ever achieve any truly lasting results either, because Genosha unfortunately wasn't a permanent solution in this status quo comic world. Both of them are destined to constantly fail. Not because it's impossible to succeed, but simply because it's impossible in a comic media where status quo rules and Marvel will never allow mutants to have lasting freedom or happiness.
I feel that peace as a concept is inherently inhuman. When we really think about it all of our morality varies from person to person. Sometimes (if not always) those different ideals create conflict. To me the only way a socitey functions correctly is if all the people part of it uphold the same values in unicen, lest we stray toward the path of conflict. So in my mind the only way to end the conflict is to separate both sides into their own respective communities vowing never to interact with each other. Although unlike most people who think this way I feel that both sides should have a safe zone to interact with each other should they feel the need to do. I feel this not only would work well in the X-Men universe but in real life as well. Too many wars, too much conflict. The world would be a better place if we could all just get along, but the truth is I don't see that as possible.
The Bat Who Laughs :D I agree, we can compare this to the real world except we cannot force people to separate from each other and most will be unwilling to do so. This could also breed hatred, which would cause conflict. Basically no matter what way you look at it, the freedom of thought that we have evolved to have from the medieval days is a blessing and a curse
The Bat Who Laughs :D But where there is animosity there is also kinship. You speak of individual ideals in that they don’t compact, thus creating conflict - but what of the ideals that do? You can’t force an entire people into isolation by that logic. Thought is an ambiguous thing.
I wasn't really suggesting forced segregation, more so optional separation. Let like minded individuals live amongst themselves and the rest of the world smart enough to accept everyone live amongst each other. Extreme idealists have no place in modern day society and are mostly the root cause of conflict. It's why we see the rise of groups like Isis in an age where we like to think we're past such primitive idealism. Conflict is never ending, war on the other hand is mostly preventable despite what history would like you to believe.
Having even a potential for things to turn in to shit is already enough. Somewhere, somewhen, someone will do something which will end in yet another conflict, them or their sucessors.
It's unavoidable. Unless may be if the very nature of thinking will change en mass.
Even if they were to become separate however, I find it a likely possibility that War could ensue given Humanities frantic disposition towards Mutants. Because of initially present power differences between Mutants and Humans whilst they were amongst our society, the Culmination of every Mutant in their own society only Increases this Power difference, leaving Humanity feeling Vulnerable and defenseless, which makes them Frantic and restless. Weapons are built "Just in case" but Mutants progress alongside them. As long as their powers remain so disproportional, Someone will try to end their progress. Being indeterminate, and Unregulated, I believe Humanity will inevitably strike against Mutants, Unless they're separated Entirely.
Simply put. I think they are both right to believe what they each believe but wrong in what what they take from it.
Personally I think (onslaught?) is the perfect balance between calls Xavier is peaceful ways of thinking and many toes done first with action.
mutants may not look like a humans
but if you ask me they still have feelings
in other words: never judge a book by it's cover
A lot of them do
It's like attractive vs unattractive.
That's actually our human nature to be jugemental
I'm a bit late to the party, good video though!
but personally i think that they are (in a way) both wrong, as they are too the extreme on both sides
Magneto Ideologies invites war between humans and mutants, and no matter who wins the goal of having mutants respected is gone
Charles ideology requires a majority of people to have more or less the same mindset, something that is currently not true among the populous and probably wont happen due to human nature
the sweet spot is somewhere in between and change peoples minds on a smaller scale rather than everyone at once
I think equality can be obtained through any means but the right way to achieve equality down to the surcomstances.
Magneto was my favorite super villain but im for team Xavier.
You should make a video on Detroit Become Human on characters on like Lt.Anderson,Conner,Marcus,or Kara
The problem with the whole X-Men philosophy is we have to choose between either extreme pacifism and and extreme machiavellianism,not to mention that the connection between those characters and the great activists you mentioned don't exist at all,Dr.King wasn't impractical in his approach to the black/white problem,he led protests,debates...etc.
Meanwhile,Malcom X believed in self-defense and not in race-superiority,that's why he was killed by racist blacks who fought racism with racism (under the eyes of white police officers of course).
In fact,Malcom X opposed the core ideology of Nation of Islam and fought his own kind when he actually discovered that difference between the true islamic ideology and nation of islam ideology after his pilgrimage.
Garrison vs. Douglass might also be apt.
Magneto in his quest has forgotten that Mutants are in fact human. They laugh, they cry, they have irrational fears and hates. Humans, with our without mutants, will begin to categorize other humans into slots of being "lesser" and will be the mutants with minor abilities.
Professor X however is blinded by his hope. Hope that things will be better. The through dedication and hard work those that hate against all reason can be logiced into giving up their irrationality.
Equality is not given, but it can not be taken either. It is a constant struggle against the human instincts to fear what we see as different and to hold onto old teachings from our families, peers, cultures, and society about what is right and wrong and what people are. Both of these men have the tools to get to their goals but their own biases and fixed beliefs will forever prevent them from being able to collaborate.
I think Magneto is right because although there are so many mutants that help people, such as X-Men, and at one point, even Magneto and the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants, there are no humans to side with the mutants; some hate them, some are indifferent. Plus, Magneto is a Holocaust survivor, an event in which some people tortured and killed other people just because they were different. I wish Charles was right (even Magneto said that), but unfortunately he's not. As Magneto told Charles in X-Men Evolution "You're idealistic, I'm realistic".
They're both right and wrong at the same time. Charles is right in that peace provides a better dialogue for humans and mutants, but he's too reluctant to act against existential threats to mutants. Erik is right in that there are humans who would exterminate mutants at the first chance they get, but he's too headstrong to see the humans on his side. It has to be both peaceful dialogue and a physical force response to direct threats
It all has to deal with your own point of view. Even though Magento has seen the worse that the world can give him, it just goes to show that he is no different from what he wants to conquer. Him wanting to conquer humanity because of his hatred and for humanity to keep mutants in check because of what they don't understand. Fear and hatred is what causes the greatest of all calamities.
That's the point. He knows what people can do, so he does not want to let them have an upperhand.
I honestly think they are both half right, we needed people like Doctor King and Malcolm X to fight for civil rights in there own ways, Real change occurs when groups of people work towards the same goals
Hey can u make an only magneto video
I would say that while Charles’ view is more noble, Magneto is right. It’s just nature. Any civilization that met another with directly contrasting ideologies, could not coexist. Magneto does preach genocide pretty much, but in self defense of his kind. Because if they tolerate humans, eventually someone will find the way to kill them off. In the movies they showed that with Logan, showing what too much tolerance gives you. In real life, we see it in countries like Germany, or Sweden, who are slowly exterminated by Muslims, through births. The natives are held back by the leadership who gives out free passes as women and children are being gang raped, but anyone who retaliated goes to prison. Historically, you can see this everywhere. So, as much as I like the X-Men and respect Charles’ convictions and hopes, I would probably join Magneto as a mutant. I’m not self hating in that I’d say “let humanity die off”, I’m just saying, when it comes to mutants, if they were real and wanted to survive, Magneto’s logic would prevail. If not, eventually they’d be wiped out. Humans rose to the top of the food chain because we were better at killing things than they were at killing us. There’s no logic in saying that wouldn’t happen again if something metahuman came about and threatened human superiority.
Alexander Angelus agreed and here’s the thing, mutants are the ones that have been oppressed for so long. Most mutants are just trying to live their lives and yet they get oppressed or ostracized by most human beings. Also considering what magneto went through at birth id completely understand his point of view
Look at black people how we are still being killed by whites
Another great parallel is Fisher Tiger and Otohime from one piece
Mutants Vs Human's is Just Like The Bloody Valentine war in Gundam Seed.
I stand with Magneto 🔥🔥🔥
Id love a vudeo on one piece or code geass
Storm is omega level too
Neither will truly bring peace world peace (or in this case mutant and humans)living along side each other will never happen due to the two being different even if one was to wipe out the other they'll just fight amongst themselves so at end it's sort of pointless to eliminate freewill and uniqueness is to bring peace but no one is willing to make that sacrifice for that to be obtainable
I think it would be best for both Charles and Erik to play the Good Cop/Bad Cop role.. Charles would be the Good Cop and the face of the peaceful mutant, and Erik would be the Bad Cop who with no hesitation protect the lives of the good mutant and keep the human from harassing the mutant at all cost
After I watched the video for the second or the third time and after I learned little things about Malcolm X life...
I see it differently (In my Opinion), Professor X and Magneto are representing Malcolm X' life period. Magneto is representing Malcolm X approach, or what he was before his pilgrimage and Professor X is representing Malcolm X approach or what he becomes after his pilgrimage.
(I don't know much about X-Men )
his pilgrimage has changed him after he saw that humans can live with each other even in different colours...so, he becomes Professor X.
No such thing as equality, for every situation whoever is in control has the say in what goes, which dictates the concept of equality.
I think face value wise I'd agree with Xavier but with further scrutiny under the human condition (note: mutants are still humans psychologically [ unless their ability changes this] and therefore still act like humans in their thinking and mannerisms to a certain degree) therefore with that in mind I think it's reasonable to say that Charles has a good idea and that most people would work him off as having "just a bad guys idea therefore it's worthless" without thinking about how he's by example throughout the series, right.
Living together in peace is all good and nice and people should never stop striving for Corporation with one another
but putting all of your faith in another is foolish people should never forget humans potential for violence and betrayal
People should never leave them themselves vulnerable you must have your own strength so if peace if not an option you have the strengthen to defend yourself and not be dependent on your oppressor for protection
I'm glad there are no mutants in the Marvel Cinematic Universe
I wish they didn't demonize Xavier in Dark Pheonix
Magneto and professor x are parallel to malcom x and dr king
Both of them are Correct and Wring at the same time. That is what I believe. Charles believe in right ways results to peace, Eric believe that through force and Suffering peace will be for the Mutants.
I just believe that use both Ideology and come with one result. And that is They have there own land yhere own natuon there own laws that are still within reach of humanity but with protection and Civilize society for the mutant. If Humans cause any harm they will defend there own. Let the human be stubborn that will never change just protect your own away from the dicrimating humans and welcome those who respect there kind.
Magneto's ideology would work a lot better if it implemented some elements of Xavier's philosophy. I'd join Magneto's side but would argue for a bit more tolerance and retaliating only after being engaged. I'd argue for a mutant world, a mutant nation away from Homo sapiens. Planet X or a Mutant City State with no contact with humans with its own industries and culture.
Hell no magneto is right
@@coreythomas3633 Killing everyone who doesn't agree with you or are genetically different is not right by any margin. Magneto would basically be a Hitler figure exterminating anyone who isn't part of the mutant master race.
@@ursaber killing everyone that oppress black people is the solution just like megneto
@@ursaber Well you are just segregating the mutants from humans. You can just be a peaceful force for the most part and have the force for war should it arise.
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I think that Xavier is right, and that the humans and mutants should work together
They are like 2 sides of the same coin.
Charles has the gift to read minds and telepathy, magneto only his magnetic skill.
Charles is superior because he knows what everyone is thinking and it is possible to make the world one
Eventually the world would be dominated by mutants over a long course of time. At the same time it’s a universe where super heroes like hulk, captain America, Thor, Spider-Man all super heroes etc are accepted by the society but mutants are hated and hunted
I think there both correct magneto is right mutants and humans cant live peacefully but charles is right that if you do good things for those who hate you might see you as a normal person.
Martin Luther King & Malcolm X
Isnt magneto generalizing too then?
When I'm including mutants from xmen in my mega-crossover, they must hails from self-contained xmen universe(where homo sapiens superior are only superpowered beings that exists there) where destruction of their universe force-open their eyes to the existence of any superpowered beings that aren't mutants
One of the best parts of the Xmen mythos... AND THERE ARE MANY... may be the fact that most of the mutant characters are NON-POLITICAL. I'm not saying thats a good thing... but its realistic and makes the world far more complicated. Xavier has his political world view... Magneto has his opposing... some others mutants do, and frankly a lot of others really DGaF. They deal w the world as it is and try to grab their piece for their reasons: e.g. Shaw/Sinister