Su-27, Su-33 & J-11A Flanker Family vs F-16C Viper: BVR Battle & Dogfight | DCS

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  • čas přidán 13. 07. 2024
  • Today's core game Beyond Visual Range missile battle is between the Flanker family (Su-27, Su-33 & J-11A) and the F-16C Block 50. Which will be dominant?
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    0:00 Overview
    0:32 Apology
    1:11 Scenario Details
    3:00 Predictions
    3:50 ROUND 1
    15:52 ROUND 2
    25:18 ROUND 3
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Komentáře • 54

  • @pahtar7189
    @pahtar7189 Před 7 měsíci +13

    Poosh made a good point. For a realistic battle, the Soviet planes should be operating with a controller whereas the American planes would have an AWACS for the data link.

  • @clangerbasher
    @clangerbasher Před 7 měsíci +14

    Seeing how complex DCS is as a system you are doing well to get anything underway.
    Haters got to hate.

  • @svensvensson2724
    @svensvensson2724 Před 7 měsíci +4

    I want:
    F-15c vs. F-16.
    F-15c vs. Mig-31.
    F-15c vs. Mig-29.
    Please!

  • @chrisstopher2277
    @chrisstopher2277 Před 7 měsíci +3

    A night battle would be terrific especially these bvr fights. I don't care if I can't see anything you explain everything so I pretty much just listen to these fights. I think not being able to visualize the ground will bring another level to your videos.

  • @TR4Ajim
    @TR4Ajim Před 7 měsíci +6

    CAP, a common “what if”, is what if the Germans had a heavy bomber at the start of the war like the Lancaster or B-17?
    So how about doing a BoB scenario where German attackers use Lancasters and the RAF uses Spits and Hurris, then do it again with the Germans using B-17s? It would be interesting to see how well .303s do against those bombers, especially against the B-17s 50 cal defensive fire.

    • @SmithandWesson22A
      @SmithandWesson22A Před 7 měsíci

      Later in the war, Lancaster 4 x 303 MG in tbe tail were replaced by 2 x 50BMG

    • @ivorharden
      @ivorharden Před 6 měsíci

      This would be a good comparison.

  • @djuice1701
    @djuice1701 Před 7 měsíci +19

    I would love to see you guys do these BVR comparisons without the use of AWACs, so the aircrafts can compete with each other with their own electronic suites. (radar/ecm) Having AWACs in battle greatly benefits aircrafts that has DATALINK compatibilities for their AR F&F A2A missiles (AIM-120s/R-77s) etc

    • @mfreed40k
      @mfreed40k Před 7 měsíci +4

      So does the world. That's why datalink exists, and the jets that have it are just better.

    • @charlesparr1611
      @charlesparr1611 Před 7 měsíci +2

      Thy are designed to operate in that environment, you might was well want to see how well they will operate without fuel, or radar.
      "their own electronic suites are not designed to operate alone, it's just not reality.

    • @chuckd9007
      @chuckd9007 Před 7 měsíci

      The us planes are linked even without an awacs and have some of the most powerful and intelligent radar systems.

  • @ApacheVR-4
    @ApacheVR-4 Před 7 měsíci +3

    I'd like to see this kind of match with F-16C vs F-14B, BUT, I would like to have 2 separate best of 3 matches. One set with Jester as the RIO and one set with some experienced human RIOs. I say that for 2 reasons.
    1. Because we all know that Jester can be just absolutely useless sometimes whenever he feels like it, so i think the human RIOs could balance that out and give a fair comparison.
    2. Having a second set of eyes in the plane to help look for bandits while maneuvering as well as possibly have more tactial/situational awareness.
    Hope that you can make something like this happen, for me, a valued viewer. Haha!

    • @charlesparr1611
      @charlesparr1611 Před 7 měsíci

      I will never understand the obsession with the f14, it was a silly thing when built (though admittedly OP, it was ludicrously expensive and insupportably complex to operate as a naval aircraft), and the answer to 'how Ould it do against modern aircraft?' is simple, it will get it's ass handed to it in a modern combat environment. thats literally why we bother to build new planes, because they kick the shit out of older planes.

    • @ApacheVR-4
      @ApacheVR-4 Před 7 měsíci +2

      @@charlesparr1611 Except that in the case of the F-14 vs its successor (the F/A-18E & F) that isn't entirely true, and it's been demonstrated repeatedly. The F-14 was WAY ahead of it's time, and had the Navy (or rather the DoD) stuck with it, many believe that it would have been a better platform for both A-A and A-G than what we went with. Granted, it was DEFINITELY the more expensive fighter.
      My main reason for wanting to see it vs the F-16 is that the F-14 is the only jet that they would have tested so far that beats it in both radar detection range AND engagement range. The Phoenix isn't as good of a missile with regards to tracking a fighter size target as the AMRAAM is, but its extra range may put the F-16 on the defensive sooner and require the first major change in tactics for the F-16. They wont be able to fly high and rain down missiles anymore because if they try they will just get out ranged, kind of like what they have managed to do against every other adversary thus far. Also, the Datalink in the F-14 is actually pretty good, but it does require a different level of expertise to use it vs the F-16 which has probably the easiest Datalink to use of any other jet in the sim.

  • @antongrahn1499
    @antongrahn1499 Před 7 měsíci +3

    Cool to see the sukhois extensive heat-seeking capabilities put to good use in the first round! Although the combination of high-tech and speed the F16 offers is very hard to beat. I would like to see the F14 next, maybe over open terrain to really see what the phoenix can vs a modern fighter.

  • @Anarchy_420
    @Anarchy_420 Před 6 měsíci +3

    In the realm of guns only Dogfights I'd love to see--
    J-10 VS SU-27
    AV-8B VS F-35B
    MIG-29K VS SU-33
    F-86 Sabre VS A-10C Warthog
    MB-339 Aermacchi VS MIG-15
    P-47 Thunderbolt VS SU-25 Frogfoot
    Mirage F-1 VS Panavia Tornado
    F-111 Aardvark VS MIG-27K

  • @akatsos
    @akatsos Před 7 měsíci +5

    Gotta love these bots.

  • @squiremc
    @squiremc Před 6 měsíci

    Great example of very different assets being use to their strengths. Terrific show!
    Any chance of another Birds and Bees? I love those, they look like fun to fly as well.

  • @troyshilanski380
    @troyshilanski380 Před 7 měsíci +1

    That second run was a shirtshow on not how not to do things, but lets see how this last mission plays out.

  • @jamesfletcher9032
    @jamesfletcher9032 Před 5 měsíci +1

    Look at the map cap, the number of black lines (contour lines) tell you how steep the mountains are. St Catherine is flat on the map.

  • @TheDegenerateLord
    @TheDegenerateLord Před 6 měsíci

    This is literally my ever sortie when I fly on Sidewinders server. Trying to outrange US planes isn't a good idea. fly low use electro optical system more often than not and you will do well. Ugh, I actually couldn't watch yall do my flankers like that. lol There was so many missed kills because of not being familiar with the radar, but that's probably the largest obstacle to overcome when flying the flanker, trying to figure out their elevation on the radar. The optical system helps a lot with that too. PS thanks for putting me on to the Chainsaw tactic. That is very much worth the google. You guys always teaching me stuff. Good on you sir!

  • @t6c3t4
    @t6c3t4 Před 6 měsíci

    Great video, do y’all plan on doing the f-15?

  • @Broncoman-lk2zn
    @Broncoman-lk2zn Před 7 měsíci +1

    Nice "Giggity" Simba!

  • @kenhelmers2603
    @kenhelmers2603 Před 6 měsíci

    @Cap Doesn't the F16 have a 'flight' TACAN?

  • @TacticalKeyboardOperator
    @TacticalKeyboardOperator Před 7 měsíci +4

    cap can you incorporate a majestic unnecessary star wars style giant formation merge into a video

  • @No1harris_98
    @No1harris_98 Před 6 měsíci

    I honestly love the flankers, definitely one of my favourite family of aircraft.

  • @jcremeringful
    @jcremeringful Před 6 měsíci

    Have you guys done Falcon vs Eagle before?

  • @ivorharden
    @ivorharden Před 6 měsíci

    I would love to see Eurofighter vs F16 bvr

  • @davecurrey6758
    @davecurrey6758 Před 7 měsíci +1

    I know the f15e doesnt have datalink but still might be interesting in bvr with human wso in the f15e obviously if they merge then the f16 wins

  • @dougroberts3840
    @dougroberts3840 Před 7 měsíci +3

    How about the Mig-29, or would that be similar to the Flankers?

    • @grimreapers
      @grimreapers  Před 7 měsíci +3

      Problem with Mig-29 is is doesn't have a datalink, so becomes very weak in a battle like this.

    • @dougroberts3840
      @dougroberts3840 Před 6 měsíci +1

      @@grimreapers Ah, ok, well I tried to give you something to try...lol

  • @charlielear6810
    @charlielear6810 Před 7 měsíci

    Can u do a f15c v f15ex
    Amazing vids keep it up

  • @davidhines7592
    @davidhines7592 Před 7 měsíci

    it sounded almost like Cap called the JF17 'jeff 17'. are grim reapers calling it jeff to distinguish from russian flankers? i hope so!

  • @xpk0228
    @xpk0228 Před 6 měsíci

    maybe the F15E or F15C next?

  • @NhanNguyen-zc1cb
    @NhanNguyen-zc1cb Před 7 měsíci

    Why we don't have mod about railgun or laser weapon

  • @trev8591
    @trev8591 Před 7 měsíci

    Stressful mission for the SUs.

  • @cockatoo010
    @cockatoo010 Před 7 měsíci

    Bring the KING of BVR (non stealth) into the mix: the F-15

  • @kenhelmers2603
    @kenhelmers2603 Před 6 měsíci

    F16 vs Mig-29, or is the '29 a mod? hmmmm

  • @cyberpunkalphamale
    @cyberpunkalphamale Před 7 měsíci +1

    34:39

  • @troyshilanski380
    @troyshilanski380 Před 7 měsíci +3

    Its a nice change of pace to see you trying planes you aint familiar with. Still love your big battles with land or sea assets. Russian planes and ordanance aint no joke.

  • @mfreed40k
    @mfreed40k Před 7 měsíci

    F-15, gotta do it!

  • @gamecrow8354
    @gamecrow8354 Před 6 měsíci

    F-16 vs F-15. 104-0!

  • @miriamweller812
    @miriamweller812 Před 7 měsíci +1

    Such simulations remind of that they used table tops and computer simluation for making assumptions about how that "summer offensive" of Ukraine would work out.
    And oh my, was it wrong.

    • @XTXImperator
      @XTXImperator Před 7 měsíci +2

      To be fair, the Russians made similar errors of strategic judgements in the Ukraine war, especially during the first couple of months of the war.

    • @Nimmermaer
      @Nimmermaer Před 7 měsíci

      Have you taken a look at the Russian offensives during this war? And there were quite a few. They didn't quite work out as planned on the map either.
      Turns out attacking against a half-way competent enemy is very hard, much harder than pre-war operational analysis of both(!) sides would have suggested.

  • @BorgOvermind
    @BorgOvermind Před 6 měsíci

    I won a 1 vs 3 Su27 vs 3 F16Cs. So ?

  • @UnexpectedInquisition
    @UnexpectedInquisition Před 6 měsíci

    Do Ukraine Russia conflict 2024, once Ukraine has some F16, with a realistic battlespace and density

  • @Lew_in_Renton
    @Lew_in_Renton Před 7 měsíci

    Is this just let cap win video cuz he's "the boss"? I admit there is a lot of planning to do long winded scenarios but me thinks this is just another Let Cap win cuz he has big fat one as he always says. I've been watching for about 6 months enjoying the work but started seeing a pattern. So I guess, I'll go back to Kittyhawk who wakes and bakes...

    • @grmatrix6358
      @grmatrix6358 Před 7 měsíci +1

      None of [GR] Cap's WarGames are scripted, so there's no "just another Let Cap win..." thing going on here. Another thing is that [GR] Cap is rather better at these BVR engagements than people give him credit for, so that may colour people's thinking on this.

    • @Lew_in_Renton
      @Lew_in_Renton Před 6 měsíci

      @@grmatrix6358 the tough part when watching DCS videos is making sense of the actual fight. I mean, I see many always win so are they fighting lower skill levels? I read Cap stating he sets some scenarios up with expert level AI. The guys that "wake and bake" makes me wonder are they fight rookie level AI? Apologies to GR and Cap.

    • @grmatrix6358
      @grmatrix6358 Před 6 měsíci

      @@Lew_in_Renton No AI used in this particular WarGame, so performance is down to human participants. Of course there are different skill and experience levels amongst human participants, and Cap endeavours to balance this where possible, as he does in this WarGame.

    • @Lew_in_Renton
      @Lew_in_Renton Před 6 měsíci

      @@grmatrix6358 I've watched maybe, I don't know, a full years worth of GR and GR2 (love the drum solo). I guess my questions are based on experience levels of "pilots" on DCS. I watched the Thrustmaster challenge and can tell those guys were "veteran" level. it's just hard to believe some of the videos out there with easy victories sometimes.