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  • @AnonYmous-mc5zx
    @AnonYmous-mc5zx Před 6 lety +311

    I dont think people not play Numot because he's "underrated", I think people dont play Numot because they like having a group of friends to play EDH with.

    • @shawndiaz7528
      @shawndiaz7528 Před 6 lety +5

      Anon Ymous Wait til you see my deck built around Stasis and Limited Resources. LD is for chumps.

    • @bjosx1
      @bjosx1 Před 6 lety +6

      LR is banned, most people don't play with it.

    • @andrewhendrix3475
      @andrewhendrix3475 Před 6 lety +16

      I find the shaming around LD to be immature and unsportsmanlike. It’s a legitimate means of controlling some pretty OP cards (I’m looking at you Gaea’s Cradle). Removal in all its glorious forms should be given the respect it deserves.

    • @AnonYmous-mc5zx
      @AnonYmous-mc5zx Před 6 lety +14

      Andrew Hendrix Land destruction to control powerful lands is one thing. Land destruction to say that your opponent just doesnt even get to play the game is whats shunned. Are you telling me that if your EDH experience was reduced to "draw, pass" (because every time you play a land, your opponent snipes it) that you'd be having fun?

    • @ING0nater
      @ING0nater Před 6 lety +4

      Well they've won at that point. You continuing to play the whole thing out is not their fault.

  • @mfougere3588
    @mfougere3588 Před 6 lety +93

    I think it'd be really cool if you guys made a podcast on building mono-color commander. Maybe go through each color, talk about it's strengths and weaknesses, and address cards that can be used to mitigate the weaknesses.

    • @JpDubbed
      @JpDubbed Před 5 lety +1

      Yeah, that'd be cool. I think they've done some videos on mono-colored staples a loooooong time ago.

    • @n3phelem549
      @n3phelem549 Před 5 lety +1

      @@JpDubbed The Professor did this from mono to 5 color a long while ago.

  • @Miss_Dizzy
    @Miss_Dizzy Před 6 lety +25

    Simply because I can't overlook it. It's not Tom Jones's song that killed the aliens. It's Slim Whitman Indian Love Call.

  • @waynebairstow9722
    @waynebairstow9722 Před 6 lety +11

    "Sol Ring, Grim Monolith, here comes Ugin..."
    Cute little Amonkhet Game Knights reference.

  • @ag47silver80
    @ag47silver80 Před 6 lety +5

    My underrated card is Reconnaissance. Enchantment for W it says
    "0: Removing target attacking creature you control from combat and untap it"
    This is amazing for so many reasons, like for example you can swing with everything you have every turn, and when they declare blockers remove the blocked ones. And the best part is you're allowed to remove them from combat after damage has been dealt, giving them vigilance as well. Best card ever and a definite include in any white creature-based deck.

  • @moxmoonstone
    @moxmoonstone Před 6 lety +44

    For your card design Josh:
    Reroute
    1RR
    Instant
    Exile target spell. That spell's owner may immediately cast that spell without paying its mana cost.

    • @shawndiaz7528
      @shawndiaz7528 Před 6 lety +5

      Basically Release to the Wind but for spells on the stack

    • @scarrboros
      @scarrboros Před 6 lety +1

      I mean there's already a card called Reroute

    • @Thariorn
      @Thariorn Před 6 lety +2

      The thing is, if we go wih the "Recast that spell"-route, the caster could choose new targets, which might be another upside apart from basically rewriting the stack.

    • @Donnerfell
      @Donnerfell Před 6 lety +4

      Probably rename it to "Renege" and leave out the "immediatly" for the templating ;)
      There might be a way to restrict the targets but i think it would be a more well-designed card without it while still doing basicly the same unless you start to pair it with blue cards.
      Otherwise you might consider lowering the cost to RR because of the cards narrowness. Sounds like it should be costed like "Fork".

    • @Welverin
      @Welverin Před 6 lety +1

      downside would be any X costs or alternative or additive costs with different effects..

  • @chaelee9240
    @chaelee9240 Před 6 lety

    I just got into Magic about 2 months ago. Your channel has been a welcome treasure trove of valuable information and insights for a newbie such as myself. Thanks guys and keep it up!

  • @cassiooliveira9429
    @cassiooliveira9429 Před 6 lety +6

    Fellwar stone is incredible! Rock solid mana fix, specially if you check the rulling : Fellwar Stone checks the effects of all mana-producing abilities of lands your opponents control, but it doesn’t check their costs. For example, Vivid Crag has the ability “Tap, Remove a charge counter from Vivid Crag: Add one mana of any color to your mana pool.” If an opponent controls Vivid Crag and you control Fellwar Stone, you can tap Fellwar Stone for any color of mana. It doesn’t matter whether Vivid Crag has a charge counter on it, and it doesn’t matter whether it’s untapped.

    • @Kazz1187
      @Kazz1187 Před 5 lety

      That’s a cool interaction! Thanks for speaking about it :)

  • @ericleiva
    @ericleiva Před 6 lety +13

    To me Mirage Mirror is like Veldaken Orrery to Josh, I just want it in all my decks

  • @jylichan
    @jylichan Před 6 lety +3

    Been waiting for this all week! Always nice to see you guys.

  • @cnweezard9418
    @cnweezard9418 Před 6 lety

    The commanders section cracks me up because I have friends with Toshiro and Varolz decks. Toshiro can roll through so many spells in a turn, and the Varolz deck we have named 'All Eggs, One Basket.' I have a couple of Partner decks as well. Love the interaction.

  • @garrettmartin4589
    @garrettmartin4589 Před 5 lety +1

    A lot of these cards I've played for a bit, and I've always said to my play group, don't underestimate "this card." This was a super dope video for teaching purposes. I like to help out fellow players with wicked new ideas with older cards. I'll be using this video in the future when teaching others about Magic. Thanks Josh & Jimmy. You guys are legendary XD

  • @SmugLookingBarrel
    @SmugLookingBarrel Před 6 lety +72

    My addition to the underrated cards list is Dream Halls. It's an enchantment for 3 and 2 blue, and it says:
    "Rather than pay the mana cost for a spell, its controller may discard a card that shares a color with that spell."
    It turns every spell into a force of will where you can cast it for free by pitching another card. It's also discard instead of exile, so you can recur the cards you pitch.

    • @commandcast
      @commandcast  Před 6 lety +19

      It DOES however affect the entire table, so things can get very crazy very quickly if you're not careful.

    • @SmugLookingBarrel
      @SmugLookingBarrel Před 6 lety +2

      True, but that sounds pretty great to me.

    • @dawubber6676
      @dawubber6676 Před 6 lety +2

      Sounds like a group hug deck's dream.

    • @MakeThisPlaceIgnite
      @MakeThisPlaceIgnite Před 6 lety

      wheel of fortunes make dream halls fun

    • @LaserfaceJones
      @LaserfaceJones Před 6 lety +2

      I run it in the Mimeoplasm to fill my yard with huge dudes, while cheating huge dudes out. Symmetrical effects at their finest

  • @deadnamedeadnameson6391
    @deadnamedeadnameson6391 Před 6 lety +70

    7:41

  • @skyfe1
    @skyfe1 Před 6 lety

    Awesome video guys! Fellwar Stone is one of my favorite cards in commander!
    My most underrated and under- played card:
    All Sun's Dawn.
    4G: for each color, return up to one target card from your graveyard to your hand. (0-5 colors)
    -pure value!

  • @TheOmegaSkater
    @TheOmegaSkater Před 6 lety

    Oh man i was so happy to see Descendant of Soramaro in the video. I began playing during Kamigawa with my dad and he used to have this blue white card draw controlly deck with soramaro and obviously descendant and others like graceful adept (Spell book on a stick). After he passed away ive built a mono blue Soramaro First to Dream deck using many of the cards my dad used to play with and its definitely the most fun commander deck i own.

  • @marius9542
    @marius9542 Před 6 lety +40

    Great Show i am a fan from germany and found you because i am a subscriber of the Tolarian Community College. I play Magic since 2 Years now but never got into EDH. I will build the Professors Kaseto Deck, it seams a lot of fun to play it. Keep doing this great work really love youre show, i learn a lot fore my EDH skills from you guys.
    Nice wishes from GERMANY!
    ps: Your Game Knights are the best, really
    appreciate the hard work thar it takes to make these.
    (apologizes for my bad English)

  • @remillad
    @remillad Před 6 lety +3

    Debt of Loyalty
    1WW - Instant
    Regenerate target creature. You gain control of it if it regenerates this way.
    Save or steal (or both) a creature at instant speed, for 3 mana, IN WHITE.
    This is my favorite unexpected card.

  • @koodwin5875
    @koodwin5875 Před 6 lety +1

    It's a little situational, but I've been really surprising people with Psychic Spiral in my Unesh deck. The spell essentially resets your deck by shuffling your entire graveyard back into your deck, and you can mill someone else for that many cards.
    The reason I like it so much is because with Unesh, you essentially dump half your deck into the grave as you play your sphinxes, and you get a nice reset button when your deck starts looking pretty slim.

  • @zealcrux
    @zealcrux Před 6 lety +1

    Lapse of Certainty is one of my favorite cards people never see coming! My playgroup never remembers it and always ignores my open white mana.

  • @DutchGuyX
    @DutchGuyX Před 6 lety +8

    At 9:41 there is what might be a Masters 25 spoiler: murder. It has the M25 symbol and the M13 watermark.

    • @Brisk83
      @Brisk83 Před 6 lety

      Simon van Houdt most M25 cards have the watermark of the set they were first printed in. Azusa is an example.

  • @aggressivli
    @aggressivli Před 6 lety +3

    Don't know if it is underrated but I rearly see it outside of my decks:
    Scour from existence
    Exile target permanent for 7 colorless mana on instant speed.
    A stable in every mono deck or decks where I have problems to remove a certain permanent type.
    It saved me more than one time

    • @sertaki
      @sertaki Před 6 lety +1

      I love that card, but I'm always feeling bad for putting Eldrazi-flavored cards in decks that don't feel like they would be willing to use Eldrazi. X)

  • @williamschaefer1822
    @williamschaefer1822 Před 6 lety

    I Love towards the end as Jimmy was saying to get Zendikar Resurgent (had already been in my dragon deck) and Mirage Mirror I was sleeving the mirror to put in that deck as he said it!

  • @eldergodseed
    @eldergodseed Před 6 lety

    On the subject of the Partners, I am particularly fond of the combo of Akiri Line Slinger & Silas Renn. They are the Commanders of my Myr tribal deck with a equipment sub theme. That brings me to my underutilized Commander card: Bludgeoning Brawl. For a red and two you get an enchantment which turns all of your non creature artifacts into equipment. It makes your static artifacts & Mana rocks do double duty as damage dealers. Believe me, swinging for leathal using Akiri armed with three signets, a Blinkmoth Urn, and a Rocket Launcher is quite amusing and satisfying.

  • @gurfuzle
    @gurfuzle Před 6 lety +3

    I used to have a Varolz commander deck. It was great, especially with deaths shadow or phyrexian juggernaut.

  • @calebj5852
    @calebj5852 Před 6 lety +88

    Accidental M25 spoiler: Murder

  • @PinkusTheRat
    @PinkusTheRat Před 6 lety

    A good chunk of the cards you talked about where ones i think are very underrated but a cycle of artifacts that are used for ramp are the keyrunes, clue stones, and banners from tarkier block the banners and clue stones are mana ramp that you can later on sack for card draw and the keyrunes are also ramp that can become creatures so they let you come back faster from a board wipe that got rid of all the creatures

  • @silash.5535
    @silash.5535 Před 4 lety

    a card a friend of mine and I stumbled upon not long ago is "Druid's Repository". We basically play it in every green deck right now, just a great ramp-card!

  • @Kurogetsu1
    @Kurogetsu1 Před 6 lety +6

    One thing about mindbreak trap that was never mentioned is it also gets around spells that can't be countered. That alone I think makes it worth the 4 mana to hard-cast in most cases

  • @williamprudhomme91
    @williamprudhomme91 Před 6 lety +52

    Main Topic 6:45

  • @robertbrennan2997
    @robertbrennan2997 Před 6 lety

    for underrated commanders with the partners, I run Sidar Kondo of Jamurra with Tanya the blood sower. the deck is primarily focused on making tokens and keeping them small and attacking while making it very difficult to be blocked.

  • @Tvboy777
    @Tvboy777 Před 6 lety

    Josh's custom card at 38:35 could be worded "Target spell resolves". It would probably need a bunch of reminder text, which can actually be written in plain language (see M15 reminder text for convoke).

  • @philheaton1619
    @philheaton1619 Před 5 lety +5

    Card list:
    Underrated Commanders:
    Toshiro Umazawa
    Numot, the Devastator
    Varolz, the Scar-Stripped
    Iname, Death Aspect
    Underrated Creatures:
    Sidisi, Undead Vizier
    Temur Sabertooth
    Descendant of Soramaro
    Patron of the Moon
    Underrated Lands:
    Dust Bowl
    Winding Canyons
    Slayer’s Stronghold
    Underrated Instants:
    Rebuild
    Magmaquake
    Early Harvest
    Mindbreak Trap
    Arachnogenesis
    Underrated Sorceries:
    Chain Reaction
    Chandra’s Ignition
    Mutilate
    Pore Ever the Pages
    Acquire
    Underrated Enchantments:
    Hibernation’s End
    Squandered Resources
    Zendikar Resurgent
    Abundance
    Underrated Artifacts:
    Mirage Mirror
    Altar of Dementia
    Perilous Vault
    Fellwar Stone

  • @deaconray8914
    @deaconray8914 Před 6 lety +17

    Am I the only one who saw the 'Masters 25' logo on that Murder card? As far as I know that wasn't spoiled yet...

  • @jeeps95
    @jeeps95 Před 6 lety

    Sweet episode. I picked up a Squandered Resources a few months ago and have been contemplating putting in a deck... thinking, "Is it me or is this card underrated?" Boom. It's in your episode. Boom. It's now in my deck. Thanks, guys!

  • @guilhermeandradedaveiga5605

    Ritual of Subdual has a Blood Moon effect, but in green. It does have a steep cumulative upkeep cost, but generally a slower game makes them elves easier to protect.

  • @derp210
    @derp210 Před 6 lety +4

    No one seems to know about Waste Not, which is a win-con by itself with any wheel effect in EDH. If you resolve a wheel with this on the board, you should probably win that turn if the deck is built correctly (I run it in my sedris reanimator)

    • @frusens6094
      @frusens6094 Před 6 lety

      I run waste not in my nekusar wheel of fortune deck but I think megrim, liliana's caress, and sangromancer are better if u play a ton of wheels not to say waste not is bad at all

    • @derp210
      @derp210 Před 6 lety

      What I don't like about those cards is the fact that the effect is damage. Waste not cheats you mana, which is great in black, and it creates tokens if you need to sacrifice things. I can see a scenario where you cycle with the cards you listed and win because they deal damage, and obviously that effect is strong in nekusar-esque decks, but since a lot of decks are looking to cheat mana to set up an engine that goes infinite, waste not is the go-to.

    • @aggressivli
      @aggressivli Před 6 lety

      Everyone knows about waste not :D

    • @derp210
      @derp210 Před 6 lety

      aggressivli I think in higher power playgroups people do

  • @brianokafor9748
    @brianokafor9748 Před 6 lety +135

    Video begins 6:43

  • @BAndersJ74
    @BAndersJ74 Před 6 lety

    I recently have gotten to do some really awesome things with Mirage Mirror. In one game I got to turn it into a copy of Nevinyrral's Disk, which means avoiding the coming into play tapped part, and then cast a Heroic Intervention in response to do a one sided board wipe.
    In another game I got to turn my Mirage Mirror into a copy of Avenger of Zendikar, which meant that the lands I played that turn doubled the number of counters on my plant tokens.
    That card is super useful, and if it is underated, it definitely won't stay that way for long.

  • @vendusmortem1433
    @vendusmortem1433 Před 6 lety

    a neat combo that goes off with abundance is the gitrog monster and a discard outlet. Pretty much allows you to draw and dump every land in your deck. People dont like it but its really cool

  • @andyony2
    @andyony2 Před 6 lety +4

    Hibernations End works very fine With Braid of Fire :)
    So you get the mana for free!

  • @burgfrauvoge4855
    @burgfrauvoge4855 Před 6 lety +4

    great show guys. keep on , you are doing a great job. greetings from germany :)

  • @janetlapham3919
    @janetlapham3919 Před 6 lety

    'harvest wurm' is great for graveyard decks to get death triggers, and lands; 'bottle gnomes' is great to recur in graveyard decks, in addition to some great flavour text; 'scavenger folk' is good artefact removal; 'llanowar mentor' is good ramp; and the vow cycle is a great way to deal with a scary creature, because it stops it from attacking you, but helps it attack your opponents.

  • @recoandmidnight1555
    @recoandmidnight1555 Před 6 lety +2

    Y'all have helped me so much when it comes to building decks and learning mtg keep up the great job

  • @ohmygod7024
    @ohmygod7024 Před 6 lety +10

    Look at murder's set symbol ;)

  • @pauldyson8098
    @pauldyson8098 Před 6 lety +10

    Patron of the Moon is a decent (okay, a hilarious) commander, too.

  • @peterdamstedt1114
    @peterdamstedt1114 Před 5 lety

    My favorite Chandra's ignition was a turn where I was able to play it on a creature that had lifelink, and a large board. When the dust settled, I had over 750 life.

  • @carlosgetzelman8872
    @carlosgetzelman8872 Před 6 lety

    Omg notes, Melissa’s notes would be sooooooo cool she just goes off on each of her turn I straight up bought her deck its great( on card kingdom -with the affiliate code of course-) love you guys.

  • @rodneysao
    @rodneysao Před 6 lety +6

    I'm the only player in my playgroup that uses Temur Sabertooth, and it is very, very strong. I have an Azusa EDH with very heavy creatures, like Avenger of Zendikar and Regal Force, that little Sabertooth is a monster with these two, imagine Regal Force each turn or Avenger of Zendikar creating thousands of plants each turn, its nuts! Then we have Karametra's Acolyte, if you have 7 devotion to green and a lightning greaves, you have infinite green mana. Add to this a primordial sage or a Soul of the Harvest and you draw your entire deck and cast everything with your infinite green mana.

  • @thefrenchcowboye7936
    @thefrenchcowboye7936 Před 6 lety +3

    The hot sauce in the background 😂

  • @tylerrouss9286
    @tylerrouss9286 Před 6 lety

    Around minute forty Josh mentions a super fun card idea! Thinking on possible wordings (why not), I came up with this: “Copy target spell, you may choose new targets for the copy. Then, counter target spell with the same name as the copied spell.”

  • @skynyrdjesus
    @skynyrdjesus Před 5 lety

    I love Varolz. He's one of the first commander decks I ever built and he combos so well with things that scale based on the number of creature in graveyards like Boneyard Wurm, Lurghoyf and the 1BB enchantment creature from Theros who's name is escaping me. Because their abilities function from any zone they turn into massive permanent pump spells for 2-4 mana

  • @willemboele2079
    @willemboele2079 Před 6 lety +7

    in rakdos, lord of riots, wait for it....
    deal 9 damange
    cast sidisi for 2 black
    exploit herself
    find artisan of kozilek
    cast artisan of kozilek
    get back sidisi
    exploit herself
    find phyrexian reclemation
    cast phyrexian reclemation
    activate it's ability
    return sidisi
    cast sidisi
    exploit herself
    find phyrexian altar
    you now have pay 2 life tutor on a stick

    • @willemboele2079
      @willemboele2079 Před 6 lety +1

      total cost is 10 mana which can be easily gotten in commander with some rocks and some crypt ghasts

  • @HarryBuddhaPalm
    @HarryBuddhaPalm Před 6 lety +9

    I see Fellwar Stones all the time.

    • @half-assedcraftswithbigmik4301
      @half-assedcraftswithbigmik4301 Před 6 lety +1

      Every deck my son and I run has them, as does the rest of our playgroup.

    • @HarryBuddhaPalm
      @HarryBuddhaPalm Před 6 lety

      Yeah. We've been using them for decades, even before EDH was a thing. We've always played multi-player so a two-mana rock that usually makes any color is almost always good.

  • @hubert12fingers
    @hubert12fingers Před 6 lety

    good video guys. nice to see you talking about cards in detail again... the reason I subscribed in the first place. more like this please

  • @ryangainey94
    @ryangainey94 Před 6 lety

    Another underrated general I'd add to this list: Shattergang Brothers. It works as a control/stax commander outside of white or blue and whenever the downsides would hit you harder, you can just remove them and maybe take something out with it. Say you play that Null Rod kinda early and shut off an opponent long enough to get your vandalblast, you can then sac off your null rod and have all the artifacts to yourself. You can also sacrifice things at instant speed -- so say you only need Winter Orb to slow them down for a turn, you can blow it up at the end of your turn, or use it in response to your own smokestack trigger... etc. Plus cards like Rancor and self recurring creatures are automatic includes for repeat sac effects. It's not a commander you see too often but it has a lot of good stax potential as well as just good politics potential.

  • @karlovcg1823
    @karlovcg1823 Před 6 lety +35

    9:55 Masters 25 Spoiler!!!!!??????

  • @TheCKT10gaming
    @TheCKT10gaming Před 6 lety +5

    Wait, murder is in masters 25? Wha!

  • @SirBisky
    @SirBisky Před 5 lety

    I've been singing the praises of Chain Reaction for EVER. Such good value. Solid board wipe in most situations. SUPER funny with Repercussion in play.

  • @hawkeye137137
    @hawkeye137137 Před 6 lety +2

    Firstly, I love underrated card episodes. They are probably the most favourite of mine to watch, since you can find lots of cards that you don't know and a perfect fit for your decks.
    One of the most underrated cards for me that I like is Codex Shredder. It is a card that can bring anything from your graveyard Eternal Witness style that any deck can use since it is colorless. It can counter your opponents' top deck tutors like Vampiric, Enlightened, etc.. or Sensei's Divining Top's tap ability and of course it can mill your opponent. Or you if you are a graveyard deck which can be invaluable! It is cheap so Sun Titan can bring it back for example which can be powerful. It is a cool utility artifact which has many small things going on for it.

  • @diehardGG
    @diehardGG Před 6 lety +7

    7 minutes to actually get to the video, my god.

  • @MikeWasThere
    @MikeWasThere Před 6 lety +3

    Do you see the salt cans next to the seracha

  • @mdchiesi
    @mdchiesi Před 3 lety

    chandra's ignition is my favorite wincon with Kalamax (once he gets big) and possibly copying it with twincast or some other. ALSO with Feather, if you have spells to pump her, you can cast this once a turn since it's target creature.

  • @pedrogarcia5849
    @pedrogarcia5849 Před 6 lety +1

    Toshiro was my first deck! I swear, always i thinck while im watching this list of underrated cards "wow, why anybody put Toshiro in any of those lists?" and here you are!.
    PD: there are some recursion instants in instan, Corpse Dance, Fated Return and Grim Return!
    Thanks for the great work as always

  • @david_broz
    @david_broz Před 6 lety +7

    Underrated card? Engulfing Slagwurm. Best. Creature. EVER!

    • @sertaki
      @sertaki Před 6 lety +1

      yeah, that's a fun one. You just need to get a way to give it vigilance for all the wurm fun.

    • @david_broz
      @david_broz Před 6 lety

      Or Lure. That is my favorite way to win.

  • @narcisisticbudoka8450
    @narcisisticbudoka8450 Před 6 lety

    Mindbreak Trap is sometimes played as a sideboard card in legacy as an answer to storm for decks that aren't blue or aren't playing force because you can free cast it. That's why it's a little more expensive

  • @schlaackmusic
    @schlaackmusic Před 6 lety

    Arachnogenesis has saved my butt a few times in my Yisan deck. I love that card. Awesome episode as always, gentlemen!

  • @felixbillington6151
    @felixbillington6151 Před 6 lety +14

    Main topic starts at 6:44

    • @j_g_t6091
      @j_g_t6091 Před 6 lety

      felix billington thank you for that. Their intros have been ridiculously long for a while now

    • @paulr9562
      @paulr9562 Před 6 lety

      My first time watching. Seems like they just find some jank cards with lots of key words and mention that you can buy them through an affiliate store. At least you saved me from the ridiculous singing :)

    • @Dragon-eu8cb
      @Dragon-eu8cb Před 5 lety

      Fuck off shit head.

    • @Dragon-eu8cb
      @Dragon-eu8cb Před 5 lety

      @@paulr9562 The say that so their sponsere's give them money for supporting them.

  • @Ovni121
    @Ovni121 Před 6 lety +4

    A spell that copy an other on the top exist already. Fork is an example. To move it, it would be a counter + copy

  • @TemurKing1
    @TemurKing1 Před 6 lety

    Don't see it often in my play group, but I think conquerors flail is fantastic in every deck! 2 drop 2 to equip it reads "Equipped creature gets +1/+1 for each color among permanents you control.
    As long as Conquerors Flail is attached to a creature your opponents can't cast spells during your turn."

  • @commanderjank9060
    @commanderjank9060 Před 6 lety

    Thank you both for helping me and my wife to understand and enjoy Commander. You both are entertaining and knowledgeable. Thank you again.

  • @Larsooz
    @Larsooz Před 6 lety +4

    But...3 out of 4 example cards for the Iname deck cant't be played in a Iname deck, right? :D

    • @monicalux5455
      @monicalux5455 Před 6 lety

      Larsooz correct

    • @IndraSunrise
      @IndraSunrise Před 5 lety

      They can if he's a creature in the deck, instead of a commander. He can go well in an orzhov token deck, iirc.

  • @CaptCozy
    @CaptCozy Před 6 lety +4

    Sylvan Library + Abundance =

  • @chrisfitterman-harris5381

    Thank you guys for all the hard work you do. I love the content you all put out, it has helped me exponentially.

  • @rotemegozi4202
    @rotemegozi4202 Před 11 měsíci

    Here's how you reorder the stack (I think): "Counter target spell or ability. Copy it. The copy must have the exact same targets as the original". (Or "you may not choose new targets for the copy"). If you want to get around umcounterable stuff instead you can say "exile it and put it into it's owner's graveyard".

  • @linky0064
    @linky0064 Před 6 lety +35

    Oof, Murder spoiler...

    • @Wiseguy150
      @Wiseguy150 Před 6 lety +3

      omg lol, sell all your murders now before the price tanks!

  • @guisseppimelon8224
    @guisseppimelon8224 Před 6 lety +24

    Why am I being suggested Minecraft and Roblox video, dafuq

    • @emdub9679
      @emdub9679 Před 6 lety

      Guisseppi Fresh you been watching roblox meme videos?

  • @okitasoujialter
    @okitasoujialter Před 6 lety +1

    Another underrated one is Crush of Tentacles. It bounces all creatures back and gives you an 8/8 token if you pay the surge cost, which is only 3UU!

  • @omgitsgodzilla101
    @omgitsgodzilla101 Před 6 lety +1

    38:29 what you guys are talking about is essentially a twincast-esk effect except for any spell type

  • @DemonOfMyMind
    @DemonOfMyMind Před 6 lety +12

    Not a single commander you mentioned was actually underrated. They are rated appropriately. Partners are absolutely NOT underrated. Also, didn't mention Dralnu. Still Underrated.
    Sidisi is not underrated! I have no idea how you can even say that! She's almost a 5 dollar card. Do you think she's that expensive because she's UNDERRATED? No! She's rated really highly.

    • @btfricks
      @btfricks Před 6 lety +2

      I completely agree on Sidisi - she's in 14% of 120575 decks listed on edhrec - J&J are just plain wrong.
      However, their point about the partners was valid. People are still pretty unsure about using them, largely because they are not valued for the key points J&J frequently mention on these shows. e.g. that you get 2 solid early drops that are not auto-hate generators - which is critical in many commander metas.
      And as for the listed commanders, you gotta know you are wrong... but just in case:
      Toshiro -- 227 decks
      Numot -- 254 decks
      Varolz -- 374 decks
      Iname - 82 decks
      Perhaps you define "underrated" as something other than how commonly the card is used as a commander, but surely you are reasonable enough to admit those are low numbers and that low usage for powerful commanders is a part of what should qualify something as underrated.
      As for Dralnu, you are probably right, and mainly because most people wont read past her first sentence. But I'm sure there are scores of commanders they could have listed as well. The four they chose were interesting, and covered a lot of different strategies. That's sorta the point of these shows.

    • @DemonOfMyMind
      @DemonOfMyMind Před 6 lety

      Underrated as in, they are not rated appropriately for what they do. I've played with Toshiro and tried to build decks around him and tried to work him into commander decks that care about recasting instants and sorceresses. He just doesn't work all that well. You need a way to start the repeated removal and once you do that it becomes "Why not just us an easier method of removal in mono black commander?".
      Numot isn't underrated either. Players are adverted to using land destruction. It has nothing to do with him being underrated in this case and everything to do with people's emotional reaction to LD. Its not that people are underrating LD, its that they're overrating it and see it as too much of a degenerate strategy.
      I've seen Varolz a few times. He's fine, but the issue with Varolz is it burns itself quickly for a Golgari deck. Which isn't something you want. Golgari isn't a voltron color and he doesn't work that great as a sac outlet compared to other golgari commanders. His cost is a bit step for a strategy that is very fragile, even with his regenerate ability. If you're going to play Golgari, why not pick a general who has more resilience long game?
      Iname, again we have one that is very narrow. As a commander, why not just use Sidisi or Razaketh? Both of them just act as repeatable tutors that can get you anything you need.While Iname is good in Spirit decks, It just doesn't have the number of good targets in mono black. Nirkana Revenant being the most notable one I can think of, which is a $20 card that not everyone is going to have access to.
      So, My point is that I don't see them as underrated. They seem to be rated appropriately to their tech. Not saying they're bad, just that you have far better options.

    • @about50pyros55
      @about50pyros55 Před 6 lety

      in compettive the best/default partner is thrasios/tymna

    • @cobblepott4169
      @cobblepott4169 Před 6 lety

      agreed

    • @about50pyros55
      @about50pyros55 Před 6 lety

      are you the cobblepot on the cedh reddit?

  • @erroneousbosch2756
    @erroneousbosch2756 Před 6 lety +24

    Starts at 0:01 :)

    • @brandonzadzilka4821
      @brandonzadzilka4821 Před 6 lety +3

      You're thinking of 6:41

    • @dragondook
      @dragondook Před 6 lety +1

      just wrong

    • @erroneousbosch2756
      @erroneousbosch2756 Před 6 lety +5

      Nah, I like watching their content enough to not skip the beginning. I personally find it in bad taste to jump on their videos and tell people to skip part of the content. ;)

    • @DeSaxofoonVanPeter
      @DeSaxofoonVanPeter Před 6 lety +6

      Thanks for sharing your holier-than-thou sentiments

    • @erroneousbosch2756
      @erroneousbosch2756 Před 6 lety +1

      You're Welcome. :)
      Thank for being an ass. :)

  • @ColtGuthrie
    @ColtGuthrie Před 6 lety

    Happy to see Abundance! Been playing it for the last year or so and have no idea why more people aren’t drooling over it

  • @stefanobadodi2085
    @stefanobadodi2085 Před 6 lety

    Oreskos explorer is one of my new favourite ramp creatures in non-green decks. It usually searches for up to 3 lands

  • @elijahmthompson2313
    @elijahmthompson2313 Před 6 lety +6

    Before watching:
    5) Command Tower
    4) Ancient Tomb
    3) Mana Crypt
    2) Sol Ring
    1) Barrack Obama (Jimmy and Josh's Favorite Card)

    • @leovaeg
      @leovaeg Před 6 lety +3

      next time, shitpost less and watch more :)

  • @blackmountain1983
    @blackmountain1983 Před 6 lety +26

    Love you guys, love what you're doing, just please, for the love of Heliod, STOP SINGING.

    • @naokikashima8054
      @naokikashima8054 Před 6 lety +3

      Eric Pelletier Heliod killed Elspeth, who wants his love? His love is a spear through the chest.

    • @dannyscott14
      @dannyscott14 Před 6 lety +2

      I would also appreciate an end to the singing. But I do accept that I am a grumpy bugger.

    • @jqxok
      @jqxok Před 6 lety +5

      Don't listen to this heresy. The singing is awesome. Don't change a thing.

  • @trumpets101
    @trumpets101 Před 6 lety

    For Patron of the Moon, it pairs well with Retreat to Coralhelm. Landfall - scry 1 or untap target permanent. Then you're just paying 1 to put 2 lands on the field untapped.

  • @kc1423
    @kc1423 Před 6 lety

    My playgroup plays Zendikar Resurgent in almost every green deck. Also, I feel like Mirage Mirror has always been good. Every time I see that card played, it does something crazy.

  • @daftgoblin3043
    @daftgoblin3043 Před 6 lety

    My under rated card is Flameshadow Conjuring. This 3 and a red enchantment reads "whenever a non token creature enters the battlefield under your control you may pay a red if you do, put a token onto the battlefield that is a copy of that creature. That token gains haste, exile it at the beginning of the next end step"
    I play this in my R/G ramp decks so I can get a second big creature when I cast the dorks I am ramping into. Also I could see this being pretty useful in decks with red in them that care about ETB triggers.

  • @ironman37100
    @ironman37100 Před 6 lety

    I was questioning getting those tokens before, but I’m actually really excited now!

  • @jesperejsing7558
    @jesperejsing7558 Před 6 lety

    Hey Guys: I am so happy you mentioned Patron of the Moon as an underrated creature. it is the commander of one of my more "funny" commander decks. He gets totally crazy with Amulet of Vigor that will let all your lands enter the battlefield untapped. Trick is to play ALL the manarocks and put him into play around round 5...thank you for a great episode. I am gonna buy that cumulative upkeep enchantment.

  • @derekcole799
    @derekcole799 Před 6 lety

    My play group loves your team's casts and commander matches thanks again for all the good plays and vaule of cards

  • @DragonPrince16
    @DragonPrince16 Před 6 lety

    so thanks to this video I went to Card Kingdom to get rebuilds also picked up almost everything I needed for my Goblin Commander deck so THANKS GUYS!!!

  • @borimorwathal9963
    @borimorwathal9963 Před 5 lety

    Now, I would like to say one little combo I love... Omnath, Locus of Mana + Altar of Dementia = Shennanigans when you can't swing

  • @sephyrias883
    @sephyrias883 Před 6 lety +1

    33:40 I also recommend
    - Energy Flux: That is an enchantment for 2 and a U and does "All artifacts have "At the beginning of your upkeep, sacrifice this artifact unless you pay {2}.""
    - By Force: XR, Sorcery, Destroy X target artifacts.
    36:10 I also recommend
    - Quest for Renewal: Enchantment for 1 and a G and does "Whenever a creature you control becomes tapped, you may put a quest counter on Quest for Renewal.
    As long as there are four or more quest counters on Quest for Renewal, untap all creatures you control during each other player's untap step."
    49:10 Yisan without a body? That has potential. Imagine this with Paradox Haze.
    Another card that I can recommend: Corrupted Conscience {3}{U}{U}, Aura: "You control enchanted creature. Enchanted creature has infect."

  • @Miss_Dizzy
    @Miss_Dizzy Před 6 lety

    Man, abundance has my jam for years now. It's just so powerful with the right support.
    As to cards I think are underrated: burst mana cards, especially songs of the damned, and rain of filth. Demonic consultation is definitely one that people underestimate: if I'm going to lose anyways, or if I'm certain I'll win if I just had one other card, a 1 mana instant speed tutor is always worth the risk.
    In Red, there's Rolling earthquake which is great because it hits flyers.

  • @christiannettel6157
    @christiannettel6157 Před 5 lety

    I've played against Numot, the Devastator decks on more than one occasion and threat assessment usually picks them off because people don't like their lands being destroyed. I've also played against a Varolz deck that was quite powerful.

  • @pirateshaman
    @pirateshaman Před 6 lety

    wow Toshiro is pretty cool , you just planted a seed in my head, now i will have to build this , thanx guys

  • @tashagodspell6960
    @tashagodspell6960 Před 6 lety +1

    One of the most underrated cards I play and I don't see played by others is Night Dealings. 2BB, everytime a suource you control deals damage to an opponent add that many counters, 2BB remove X counters and demonic tutor for a card with cmc X. Expecially good with Sheoldred and Urborg. Other one is Tower of the magistrate, land, add {C} or {1}{T}: give protection from arrtifacts to target creature. Ehi look at those Boots and Greaves or swords doing nothing :D

  • @dominicsevilla1189
    @dominicsevilla1189 Před 6 lety

    Altar of the Brood. Most of the decks in my playgroup have a copy. The ammount of cards milled from dropping one land per turn alone is insane. There was one time when all 4 of us had one out. So much mill

  • @ehegger
    @ehegger Před 6 lety

    I have Sidisi in my Scarab God deck, never knew she could exploit herself. can't wait to try that out!