Daemon & Caraxes + Vermithor (House of the Dragon backstory)
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- Daemon Targaryen is singing about 3 heads and blood magic
in HotD episode 10 the season 1 finale
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Caraxes probably has the coolest design of all the dragons in HotD
you mean in all of GOT
I liked more the design of Drogon and friends. But definitely Caraxes has the most distinct design and looks like a spawn of hell, matching his riders temperament...
Caraxes is mid I'm ngl the sound he makes is the only thing that doesn't match him
Here here!
I think the crown dragon has the best design, idk the name tho. I skim thru this series lol
The idea most people have online us that because he's been alone for so long without human contact Daemon wants to ease vermithor back into the fold
That's extremely plausible.
These dragons don't recognize how good a person you are, how noble you are or If you are motivated by the righteous of goals, ask Vermithor who he picked after King Jaehaerys I, and you will have a perfect example.
Hugh hammer. The shittest of shits in the seven kingdoms.
"Just because they were homies"
I like the theory that Daemons song is actually singing to the Targaryen ancestor that was sacrificed and thier soul shoved into the dragon. Not to bond with him but to remind him of his purpose. It makes sense to me that in the old country grandpa or grandma were offed and blood magic used to tied them to a dragon line. Encouraging incest to make sure dragons stay in the family because only decendents can bond. And making the whole "3 heads" literal. Just a theory but unhinged just like them.
I dunno, I feel it's something else. I mean, why "remind him" of his purpose? Just saying, probably did it so Vermithor would follow Daemon and Caraxes around sure but Vermithor will switch sides if his rider doesn't agree with Daemon.
Hey this is probably one of the best theories I heard, thank you for this!
What?
@@Gigipretty64 the guys a bully and a nutjob, try to find better people to watch
We'd know if they were sacrificing Targaryians to birth Dragons, because there would be Targs going missing every time a dragon is born but there isn't.
He's just calming him down and getting him ready for a new rider
It’s always funny to me how Daemon rides Caraxes Rhaenys’s father’s dragon & Rhaenys rides Meleys Daemon & Viserys’s mother’s dragon they are so connected yet so distant Daemon & Viserys have even rode on Meleys with their mother as babies
Very dangerous existence, being a Targaryen..
Very dangerous to live. But that's why we exist.
Bruh 😂
i dont think its meant to show hes boding with the dragon, more to show the audience that other riderless dragons exist
People are making too much hay out of this scene. It looks like Daemon is just trying to rouse Virmothor and coax him out of the caverns of Dragon Stone.
Daemon wasn't trying to bond with Vermithor. He was just letting the audience know of his existence
He was preparing Vermithor to be around ppl again since Daemon is probably the last Targaryen Vermithor would recognize, and even scarcely then. Next would be Rhaenys.
At this point Vermithor hasn't been used to interacting with ppl for about 30 years
Being an ASOIAF NERD i just thought Deamon was just trying to wake up Vermithor without The dragon roasting him whichbim thrn woukd make it easier for someone on Team Black to bond with him has he hasbt had a rider since the ild king like u said .Thanks for the content really enjoy your videos
In the books its actually one of the drsgonseeds who rides vermathor According to Fire & Blood, during the Dance of the Dragons, Vermithor gets a new rider named Hugh, a bastard and blacksmith local to Dragonstone.
I love Caraxes❤️
He is so cute and deadly!!
i think cause of aegons prophecy being such a big secret, most targaryans who never sat the iron throne never knew the prophecy, only recently Alisson Hightower after the series , and maybe we’ll see the death of all the dragons play out with this not perfect bond plot
Make a video on cannibal
Silverwing incoming
See the 1 rider per dragon (living rider) “rule” is obviously brought up in fire and blood on purpose multiple times, BUT I dont think that its actually true!! Hear me out: SO to explain ill use Daenerys “The Mother of Dragons” as an example, show or books either way my point will still make sense. Daenerys had 3 dragons and yet was Drogon’s rider, BUT since the other 2 were rider-less and used to being around their “mom” Daenerys.. If the situation came like in the fighting pit where She needed to ride on Rhaegal or Visereon to flee danger or for her own safety IM PRETTY DAMN SURE that she would do so without Drogon needing to die first lol. And thats just hypothetical but the point im making is that I think common sense indicates that there are certain situations where the 1 Targaryen per Dragon is NOT true. You can use many different examples using Daenerys especially where she could have rode the other 2 dragons and she would not be harmed or thrown off if it was needed. I dont think it would be smart to try this unless necessary because who knows if Drogon would be angry or attack the other dragons, but still my point would stand true because Daenerys would have mounted a 2nd dragon and lived! And to wrap this up and tie back into HOTD & Daemon & Vermithor, the situation is similar because Vermithor has no rider currently which I think is the key factor!! I think its more like you cant Mount a dragon that has a current/living Rider already. Im not sure the “Dragon has 3 heads” prophecy has anything to do with what Daemon was doing and personally I also dont think Daemon will mount Vermithor, however it is possible . So when trying to figure out why we were shown that scene of Daemon & Vermithor and trying to predict what will come next because of that we SHOULD NOT automatically rule out That he may Ride Vermithor because of the so called “1 dragon per Rider rule”. Again this is speculation but with some clear common sense logic behind it .. And I have read the books up to current and Fire & Blood at least 3+ times so im aware of the very low odds of the circumstance where my theory comes into play, and i dont even think im a fan of this actually happening, but the Daemon & Vermithor scenario in the HOTD show does fit pretty damn well with my idea!!
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I wouldn't mind a video of the Dragon Keepers (is that their official term?), the (probably) brave and little insane souls that train and keep to the dragons.
I wonder how skilled they are and how they're recruited and what not. What qualifications they have.
It seems that's a job where odds are, you're going to be dragon lunch sooner or later, but who knows, maybe they got some serious skills and training to avoid that.
Since they speak Valyrian, I wonder if part of the qualifications is being from old Valyria as well.
Besides the obvious Targaryens and Velaryons, I think House Celtigar has roots from Valyria as well. I'm not entirely sure.
I wouldn't be surprised if there's a few more different bloodlines that escaped the Doom of Valyria.
I've always wanted to know if the length of their staves mean anything. There's an episode, I believe the one when daemon is rock climbing on dragonstone and finds the clutch of three eggs. They zoom out on the dragon keepers and one of the staves was like 12-15 feet tall, and the other was like 30 feet tall, something I'm genuinely curious about
daemon also mention that dragon keepers are very capable fighters
House Celitigar was a Valyrian house which settled in the narrow sea before house Velaryon, who in turn settled there well before House Targaryen. Velaryons were already close allies with the Targaryens before either of them moved there, but the Celtigars were not.
There are subtle hints that the two houses did not really get along. One of the Conqueror's first acts in Westeros was to take the lands of Crackclaw Point away from House Celtigar, promising the inhabitants would never need to swear fealty to anyone but the Crown, but the Celtigars defied him and kept sending tax collectors there anyway. Every attempt to wed a Celtigar daughter to a Targaryen has been refused.
I like to think that the Celtigars were to the Targaryens as the Boltons were to the Starks, or the Casterlys to the Lannisters, or the Yronwoods to the Martells.
My tinfoil hat headcanon is that the Celtigars were actually dragonlords once, and may have been the ones who founded Dragonstone, but that they lost control of their beasts by the time the Targaryens arrived and drove them off the island. I like to think Cannibal is the last feral descendant of the Celtigar dragons, which is why he so hostile to all the Targaryen dragons.
Daemon is basically trying to have a bond with Vermithor like Daenerys has with Rhaegal, and Viserion
We have a certain Henry Cavill available for the role of Hugh Hammer now
😅nah. I want him to play something more epic.
Hugh Hammer is a fucking shit character for Henry
@@Eshayzbra96 right. I want him to play something more heroic. I would love to see henry as cregan stark but ofc he is old for the character
@@Noone91875 true, there aren't many roles for Henry to play at this time in the story. Personally I think he'd be the perfect Aegon the conqueror, Rhaegar or even Maekar I if they did a Dunk and Egg series
@@isabellajensen9480 Henry Cavil is better suited to play Orys Baratheon or Maegor the Cruel than any of those.
The gods give just as the gods take away.
or perhaps... Daemon is the biggest Chad in the GOT lore.
that's the simplest answer.
Spouses to a Queen-Sovereign do not gain the title “king”. They become a prince consort. See prince phillip
Because they're homies 🤣
WC!!!
The possibility for a man like Dadmon to acquire two dragons maybe three sends chills down my whole body. Caraxes and him were already a force to be reckon. So excited to see where they decide to go with it !
He's most likely just preparing vermithor for the dragonseeds
Ahhh yes. _Dadmon Tergeryen_ the portly cast-off who wastes his days drinking fermented dragons milk and watching crudly constructed puppet shows while he neglects his family and let's the days pass in a rut since he was laid off from the mines years ago.
@@schouwstra_7778
I don't see why though. What, is he gonna do this for EVERY dragon?
@@thalmoragent9344 The scene was probably put in to show unclaimed dragons and to excite people for the next season
Can't wait to see Vermithor in action. But don't want to see Vaeghar in action. I'm a BLACK.
And if u r black you shouldn't wait to see vermithor in action it will also be harmful for the blacks.
Nanny Vhagar is a grumpy old bully. Poor Arrax chomped in half.😢
@@Gigipretty64 Tough way to go....
Of course you can stow a soul in a Dragon's heart, just ask Sean Connery!
I dont really think Vaylor still being alive would change much. Depending on where they went the chances are they wont hear about the dance of the dragons for a very long time.
Daemon bonding with Vermithor as well as Caraxes that would change the story and make him more like Dany. Because the other dragons where ment to be tamed by new recruits
I imagine if they make big changes to the show, George RR Martin would be consulted.
spolers/theory:
but my theory is we will see Damon bond with the three dragons, similar to show Daenerys. and most probably get one smaller battle with him commanding all three dragons, then we will be introduced either mid season 2 or beginning season 3 to all the dragon seeds and then it will return to following the book.
A Dragonrider can't bond with another dragon if they already have a current bond with their dragon. The reverse is also true.
The purpose of the scene was to show:
Daemon's dedication to heritage and him easing Vermithor to interact with ppl regularly again after about 30 years (Since the only Targs left Vermithor would recognize are Daemon then Rhaenys) and tease further unclaimed dragons for S2 (Red Sowing/Sowing of the Seeds)
Caraxes and Vermithor look ferocious as fuck. They were never described as beautiful like some other dragons. These types are bred for war.
Daenerys had a secondary bond with Rhageal and Veserion
Yeah they apparently saw her as their “mother” even though dragons don’t seem to have familial relationships, at least with other dragons. Blood magic was involved in Dany’s case though
Most fandoms don’t mind slight changes . People realize that you cannnot adapt a story 1 to 1 for TV. The problem is when shows completely crap on the source material (rings of power) or openly mock and distaste the source material( Witcher leaks).
Yep. HotD is i think a pretty good example for how to adapt book
@@Noone91875 HotD is a good example. The fandom had some worries going into it. The show runners race swapping and talking about feminism were huge warning signs but the actually show doesn’t dwell on those topics
and mostly is accurate to the books plus it is overall a good show. Why it is a hit. Make a good show and people will overlook minor changes but make a terrible show and people are not quite as forgiving .
Can you do a lord of the rings lore video?
Mfs still gonna blow a 13-4 dragon lead. Where they do that at? 😭😭😭
Why can't Daemon's daughter, Rhaena claim Vermithor or perhaps Silverwing for that matter?
The problem is, deviating too much from the source gets you things like Rings of Power and NuTrek. I've never read the book, but I generally prefer they stick to the source as much as possible, these days I have zero faith in most writers to take "creative liberties".
Vermithor, as far as sheer brute strength, is probably the strongest dragon. Won’t argue with anybody who says the cannibal cuz he also deserves respect on his name too. Definitely believe at this point Vermithor could’ve beat Vhagar.
Vermithor is however noted as being one of the tamest and best behaved dragons, quite the opposite of the wild Cannibal.
Personally, I think Rhaenyra should have told Luke that he could offer Vermithor to Lord Borros Baratheon as a reward for his loyalty to the true queen. It could have been badass for Luke to recite the Baratheon House Words "Ours is the Fury" and then remind him that The Bronze Fury is waiting on Dragonstone in need of a rider. Borros is the only Lord Paramount capable of being a dragon rider, as unlike all the other great lords he has Valyrian blood. His grandmother was Alyssa Velaryon (widow of King Aenys, mother of King Jaehaerys, great-aunt of Coryls, and grandmother of Rhaenys) and his house's founder Orys Baratheon was a dark haired dragonseed bastard Lord Aerion Targaryen (the father of Aegon the Conqueror).
Unfortunately the Tolkien estate forbid them to use a lot of shit. So they had to write a bunch of new stuff.
Ah, I see that we are running low on content of substance and we have begun grasping at straws. Vermithor is considered a “castle dragon”, just like Syrax, Vahgar and Caraxes. Dragons like Sheepstealer and Cannibal are wild dragons who were born and grew up with no riders and no contact with humans. In order to reacclimatize Vermithor, it is necessary to socialize him with human contact so he doesn’t barbecue TOO many people before a legitimate/worthy rider approaches him.
Little tangent: I don’t understand why it became such an important custom/tradition to give a dragon egg to newly born/young Targaryen’s. Like I understand that they were doing it to create a “bond” between child and dragon early or whatever…but Daemon took Caraxes when he was a teen and was his second rider nonetheless…are we going to pretend that they don’t have the greatest bond between rider and dragon? If it were my choice, I’d give my DAUGHTERS eggs to hatch because the younger ones are faster and more adept at fleeing to safety. But if I had a son and we have fucking VERMITHOR just posted up in his lair, riderless and giant and experienced and formidable…my son isn’t getting a newly born dragon, he’s getting a whole beast that will make people never want to fuck with him ever.
Pretty much, Aemond had the right idea lol. It’s probably better for children and less scary to ride a young dragon, but if you don’t bother to bond with one in childhood and instead want to claim one as an adult, might as well try to bond with the biggest and baddest 😂
@@simonemichelle you make a very good point, I don’t think one could reasonably expect any children to have the courage to face a dragon as serious as Vermithor…and your had me thinking about the other riders that were “second generation” of riders for their dragons. And oh wow I was gonna say Black Dread was Aegon Maegor Viserys but I forgot about the princes who …well, no spoilers I guess. The only example of a child hoping on a big boy was a rather tragic end.
I dunno, I feel that Daemon's actions need official explaining
I don't quite like the theory of the Valyrians placing their souls into the Dragons, cause what happens if one family Dragon breeds with one of another, just unbeknownst to the families?
Valyrians likely didn't marry kin just to keep specific Dragons under thier control, but to keep their particular family "pure". I figure the 3 heads could just as easily be like, "Blood, Fire, and Magic" or something. We know the Blood Mages of Valyria were basically just doing some magical method of Genetic Splicing/Biological Engineering, so them adding Dragon Blood to humans and such is believable but, a soul as well? Maybe, maybe not.
Like, why do this with JUST Vermithor and not literally every Wild Dragon? And why was this never shown to be a thing before? Maybe he did it to gain Vermithor's trust and encourage him to ally with Caraxes while in flight, sure, but if Vermithor gets a rider who's Team Green and not Black, whatever Daemon did isn't gonna matter.
Overall, just saying,
This whole universe is trash thank god for the last 4 seasons of GOT.
The fact you had to bring an entirely different show into this makes you irrelevant lmao. Rings of power was a decent show, you even admit you didn’t read the books 😂 your opinion wasn’t needed in a house of the dragon backstory video which is supposed to be factual coming from the title unless you’re intentionally misleading people to subscribe to your ideologies
Rings of Power was not a decent show. It was an absolute travesty.