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- In light of the allegations against powerful men like Harvey Weinstein and Matt Lauer, how should businesses and society respond? AEI's Christina Hoff Sommers - The Factual Feminist - offers her take.
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Men and women afraid of each other has many more negatives than positives.
Agree
I have seen many comments from women, across social media, all sharing their experiences with sexual harassment and "sexual harassment."
Some have complained about men asking them out to dinner, or complimenting them and all this basic shit. I noticed many seemed very annoyed and tired of this behaviour, but they hadn't reported it or even told the man directly that his attention was unwanted. Some went to dinner with them and had assumed it was work related.
Jesus Christ, I have had male customers make uncomfortable comments towards me in work, and have had strangers on the street pass comment. It is DEEPLY uncomfortable, but a single comment made on a single occasion is not harassment. They have to be persistent in order for it to be harassment.
If a male coworker asks you to dinner or makes a flirtatious comment towards you, you have to be direct and say, "No thank you." Or "Please do not continue to make those kinds of comments, they are not appreciated or wanted."
Guys need more than a hint. Some of them are really that bad at reading subtly.
If someone physically touched you in a way which was clearly innapropriate, then yes, different case altogether, but a man saying you look good at a Christmas party is hardly a crime.
DarthYuYevon They're not only from men
I’m a woman and I agree 100%
Even the inappropriate touch can be them trying to signal interest in you or merely being friendly, and not sexually harassing you. Context matters in all these situations but feminists and other women due to the panic are quick to label anything that makes them feel like harassment, as harassment.
An example would be a hand placed on the shoulder. It isn't sexual and I've had men and women do this to me and every time it makes me uncomfortable as I am not big on touching.
Dont worry about the attention. You will be old invisible and yearn for the attention you once had soon enough
"a single comment made on a single occasion is not harassment. They have to be persistent in order for it to be harassment."
If a woman keeps leading a man on, you can't blame the man if he keeps trying.
People seem to think that this feminist sexual assault/harassment hysteria started just recently. I can remember back in the late 70's/early 80's when I first started working for a particular employer who had a zero tolerance policy on sexual harassment in the work place. Even asking a woman co-worker out for a date was considered sexual harassment, and just a formal complaint could get a man summarily terminated with no two weeks notice, no severance pay, just security escorting him off of company grounds and never being allowed back again for any reason. I can remember being excoriated by feminists at work for telling a woman co-worker that I thought she looked quite beautiful in a particular outfit that she had worn that day, or for calling a woman a 'girl' once, or for looking down at a woman's open and highly visible cleavage, and I feared for my job over it. But I thought that it was highly hypocritical that women could ask male co-workers out for dates, tell male co-workers that they were handsome, call male co-workers boys, and make comments about admiring male co-workers' butts without any fear of any repercussions at all. And all this time feminists kept claiming that all they wanted was equality!
Exactly. The Duluth Model, the first known instance of institutional criminalization of masculinity, stems from 1981. Feminists have been pushing to translate the demonization of men into policy and law since at least the early 1980's.
bla blahblah Nailed it, except they want it given instead of earned.
“But I thought that it was highly hypocritical that women could ask male co-workers out for dates, tell male co-workers that they were handsome, call male co-workers boys, and make comments about admiring male co-workers' butts without any fear of any repercussions at all.”
- If they could, that must have been because men at your employer tolerated that inequality.
Your assumption that all of the managers at my employer were men is false. Actually a lot of the managers were women. And when it came to a dispute between women and men co-workers, women were given preference over men because feminists would raise all holy he** if they weren't, claiming that the company was being misogynist. With all of the public complaints from feminists of sexism and misogyny in the work place and society in general, nobody really cared to stand up for us men, least of all women managers. I could tell you of a lot of other examples of the double standard that prevailed because feminists publicly raised so much he** about misogyny. Another example that really ticked me off was when some women in the office sent out e-mails to everyone in the office with long lists of jokes that had men as the fools in them. I took one of those e-mails one time and rewrote the jokes, reversing the gender roles in them, and sent the e-mail back out to all of the original recipients. I was reprimanded for sending out an e-mail with jokes denigrating women. When I pointed out that the jokes were originally sent to me with the gender roles reversed, I was informed that it was OK to send out e-mails like that with men as the fools in them, but not OK to send out e-mails like that with women as the fools in them. Once again, the managers deciding this were----women. And going to HR about it didn't do me any good either. Guess what gender generally staffed the HR dept.--Women.
What C Laird says here is very, very true. Men being fired on nothing but an allegation and being denied due process has been happening for decades and the media won't talk about it.
now its a crime to flirt or try to date a woman..
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.... Yes it genuinely is. You just have to ignore it I suppose. Human sexuality is a very powerful urge and, and you can;t let the totalitarian state try to interfere. This is going to damage a lot of people. This is all very elitist shit.
Academics at University of Auckland are claiming that sandwich jokes are violent and that asking a woman if she is a virgin should be met with jail time.
There is an rapidly growing number of men who are opting for sex robots. You can't make this up. Our society is so broken that men are opting for a sex-robots over an actual woman. And with the current technology they are looking scare real. I don't blame them since your life can so easily be destroyed by a woman's whim these days I just don't think the majority of women have a clue of how badly it has become. Here's a video about women being replaced by robots. czcams.com/video/dTFzBFTlMm0/video.html
"A crime," as in criminal statutes? Silly nonsense. Show me one.
No it’s not, it’s your 1st Amendment right to try to talk to anyone to have sex with you. Free country
@@srbaruchi Any woman can accuse you of rape with no evidence and you can be charged. All she has to do is prove you had sex.
I’m a male, and I love the way she explains these problems that we face as a society. She explains these things calmly, and she isn’t biased to one side.
Women need to learn to work with men as they are or go home. Our workplace rules have criminalized normal male behavior and this sex scare is likely to do even more harm. It was a mistake to ever involve companies in the enforcement of crimes. If a man commits a crime at work, it should be reported to law enforcement, not the HR department.
Perhaps your right about crime being reported to law enforcement and not HR. (If we're talking sexual harrassment) The only reason why I see HR taking it seriously is because they are afraid of getting sued - claiming that an environment is unsafe to work in. Then comes the definition of what is normal male behavior? Every culture is different and when a male crosses from one to another what may be normal in his culture may not be normal in the next place. Similiarly, that goes for females. --- If we are talking about no cultural difference, then the male will act normal in front of everyone else and then harass you when no one is around. When you report it you look like the crazy one because no one can see or has seen what you are talking about.
This is where you are wrong. If men or women commits a crime at WORK, you need to report it to HR department after that yes law enforcement. For example when at school or college you need to go through teacher first before you can go to clinics or hospital. I think you need to check back what is the function of HR department. if what I'm saying is wrong maybe my lecturer just teach a lie to me then.
@@hamkaida You don't need to do any of this. Laws were passed that made employers responsible for these things. That was a mistake and these laws should be repealed. Schools and businesses have no law enforcement expertise and should not be involved in law enforcement.
Put this lady in charge of America it will make you great.
Too emotional
she lost me when she said "we need rules to rid us of creeps" a man's creepiness level is entirely subjective and inverse to his perceived attractiveness level by the woman.
C Hipp yeah. She should know better than to use a word like that. It clearly only applies to men, and not women. The word creep is a tool of male bashing.
Yeah but just because men initiate everything. I think what she meant was quite clear. Guys like Kevin Spacey pushing himself onto someone. Nothing wrong with that. It's not about men approaching women but generally unwanted approach. That society expects that from men (making the first move) is nobody's fault. She just stated the status quo.
I agree. If a man is "creepy", it usually means he is socially awkward or poor. If a woman is socially awkward (or even as crazy as Glenn Close in "Fatal Attraction") most (heterosexual) men don't give a shit (perhaps they should). Men definitely don't judge women as "creepy" because they're poor or socially awkward. Unless a man is acting like Norman Bates or Hannibal Lector or engaging in real harassment, "creepiness" is just another female way of shaming and putting down men.
It is NOT a "welcome development" that women are being elevated to supremacy in the workplace.
Where is the massive obsession with women who sexually harass men in the workplace? When we see equal concern for the sexual harassment and sexual assault that women commit, in the workplace and elsewhere, then, and only then, will we have a "welcome development."
Baawwwwww muh whataboutism bitching.
Actually you kind of made Mike Pence’s point for him. All the examples you posted had multiple people together in them which lowers the opportunity. I remember in the old office movies a lot of the offices had half glass windows and or doors. Maybe this was the reason to stop office rumors from being created. I know my own deceased father said he would never allow one to one conferences. Always 3 people or more for that reason. It protected everyone’s reputation.
But how do you prove that a woman is LYING about being sexually harassed?
joey zapata how do you prove she’s telling the truth? That’s the burden false allegations have caused.
Innocent until proven guilty
Unfortunately, that's not how it goes in the public eye. It's interesting to see how many lives can be ruined on allegations and if it's found to be false no one cares that the person's life is already ruined and rarely does anyone ever read the updates of it being a false allegation
Yep. The Brian Singer case comes to mind.
joey zapata women don't lie silly
As a male employee, I would never deign to have a meeting with any employee without benefit of both a witness and recording of the proceedings, and these decades-old allegations mentioned in the video are the reason why. It's a simple matter to fabricate a complaint against a supe whenever there's an ax to grind, even if it's for the express purpose of extortion. A sane society would recognize this and respond appropriately, but that leaves us out, doesn't it? What is blithely labeled 'male averse feminism' here is actually the nascent stages of targeting all males for reprisal...
Puritanism really doesn't seem so silly in the context. If women are going to wildly make sexual allegations if someone merely flirts with them, which can destroy a man, or a company even, it would make sense to never be alone with a woman co-worker, to make everything public, ever record everything to mitigate what actually presents as a financial liability. In fact, it would make sense under those circumstances not to even hire women, given women make such complaints, and men do not. Used to be puritanism protected society from such things - women had chaperones, no sex before marriage, marry if you get someone pregnant etc. The "harshness" of traditionalism protected men from false allegations, and women from impropriety whilst defending the lives of children. In this "listen and believe" culture, interacting with women at all, in a professional context, is a liability vaguely akin to dabbling in herbal potions during the salem witch trials..
Evne as someone with a deep social anxeity, I know that one of the most important factors to improve a career is networking.
That is not something I blame everyone else for, even though I often wish every single person in this world would disappear... or at least die painfully in a fire, on a good day. :-p I accept that it means I'm probably not going to be a millionair at any point in this lifetime, and instead I found a job that I like doing and that got a decent enough pay. (And to be honest, I feel like a majority of people, at least where I live prefere a job they like with a decent pay, over working a job that becomes stressful in hope of getting a larger paycheck later.)
But what happens when men starts to be afraid of socializing with women, especially those men who have a say when it comes to promotions, who have to be extra careful not to say or look in a way that some female might use to ruin his career?
When socializing with women become a high enough risk for men, they will stop socializing with anyone that carry that risk, and as such when looking at who would be a good choise for a promotion or a new job opening, the people they know well enough to believe they have skills the job takes, will be men.
Every day it seems more and more like the new wave of feminism is more about female supremacy, validated because men used to rule throughout history, so now women need to have a couple of million years where they oppress men to balance it out. But just like white supremacists never managed to conquere the world, neither did black supremacy or male supremacy for that matter... and neither will female supremacy.
If women truely was so much wiser than men, one would think that they at least knew how to learn from history... but somehow they clearly aren't, and it strangely looks like we are all just mere humans :-)
Dude, there are dozens of criminal laws that apply only to men. The FBI doesn't even consider a woman enveloping a man's genitals rape, and in UK law only men can be rapists. We've been living in a female supremacy world for decades, you just never realized it.
What a fantastic break down of this subject. Really appreciate your perspective Christina. Thanks Based Mom.
As usual! Sommers is such an amazing person with incredible insights.
Having been in the workplace now for 25 years, ironically I have actually become sexist. Working with women is so fraught with danger that it must if at all possible be avoided. This is particularly manifest in those important team building exercises often in a social setting. I will of course engage with a woman in the workplace professionally and courteously but the risks of even that are so manifest that when it comes to "going down the pub after work", then if there are any woman there I will either not go or cry off after one drink and go home. Feminism encourages women to break their "social contract" which men by being in essence juvenile. Again , ironically, if a woman indicates that she prefers to deal with any issues / misunderstandings or even unwanted advances at the time / in the flesh and like a grown up, rather than running to HR / Twitter then she can come to the pub. Even more ironically, she is more likely to be promoted because it is in the pub where wider issues are discussed, hidden talents and capabilities come to light that I might otherwise be unaware of. Is this sexist? Probably. Is this Gynophobia? Probably not, that would indicate an irrational fear of women, and for example - Christina Hoff Summers can come to the pub, no issues at all :)
Sorry bro CHS is a SHILL
Haven't been paying attention to the culture war since the election. Nice to have the soothing voice of based mom to ease me back into it.
I just simply don't flirt with or ask women out at work. Don't gawk at their bodies. Keep your hands to yourself. Eye contact only. I don't date women at work. I rather enjoy the hurt look in their eyes when I recoil from their touch.
As a result in working in 90% female environments, my female co workers gossiped that I was gay. This was to protect their fragile egos of course. Oh well, being fake gay gave me a protected status that I could turn against them and use to my advantage. And, I sometimes did.
I wish more guys would do this. Protect your careers and your reputations. You want sex? Go to swing clubs where getting it requires little or no effort.
The only thing I would add is that I never, ever make any comment whatsoever about the physical appearance or attire of female colleagues. If “she” was to turn up at the office in a g-string or a chicken costume, she will get a friendly, “good morning! Howe are you?” From me, nothing more.
While I understand what you're trying to say, the reality is that all it takes is one allegation (false or otherwise) to ruin a man's career and life. And I don't blame men for not wanting to take that risk. As for that statement that everyone is making about gender segregated workforce harming women, that's the price women are going to pay for letting feminists make the rules and regulations.
exactly
But isn't it also bad to assume every woman is a false accuser? Just like assuming every man is a rapist.
Christina, while I agree with most of what you've said here, I have a few squabbles.
1. labeling men "monsters" and "creeps" is never a path toward solving the problem. Those labels allow people to dismiss (male) perpetrators as evil without having to understand the root causes of the behavior, and you can't solve any problem you can't understand. Creep is also a very gender-specific term. It only applies to men, never women, and in many workplaces a woman only has to put the vague label of "creepy" on a man to put him at risk, whether he deserves it or not. Please don't contribute to the weaponization of that word.
2. Why is it that we are only concerned with sexual harassment? It's merely one type of abuse of power and not necessarily the worst. Well, clearly we give it extra weight because it's the type of harassment that women are most concerned about and that they can use to diminish men and make a claim that there should be more women in charge. Very convenient. There are people who go to work every day only to be belittled and screamed at, both by men and women bosses, and who suffer greatly for it. I was harassed by a woman boss to the point that I needed therapy and medication, but it doesn't count because there was no sexual component to it? I would much rather she had flirted with me than belittle me and constantly threaten my job. Any form of harassment by a superior should be taken just as seriously as sexual harassment and dealt with in the same way, but that stance doesn't pander to and satisfy feminists, so there's no discussion of it.
You claim sexual harassment laws were designed to protect workers from bullying, coercion, and extortion. No, they were designed to protect women from a very specific type of behavior. If you're being harassed by a terrible boss, and there's nothing sexual about it, good luck taking that to HR. You're the one likely to be fired.
3. While you don't like the idea that men are being cautious about being with women at work, and that women could pay a price for it, it is with good reason that men are fearful. You say you worry about witch hunts, but don't seem to think that men should be fearful of it because most people seem to be working in harmony. In this climate, every man fears that it only takes an accusation and his job and career are over immediately. Women have no interest in taking men's fears seriously because they really don't care about men. They only care about themselves. And they believe that women's fears are "real" while men's aren't.
I hope you get a chance to read this and respond.
The public needs to be seriously be made aware of the fact that allegations are not synonymous with truth. Guys record every encounter with women and have them sign a consent form before hand to being recorded it’s the only way to keep you safe otherwise for the most part just stay away from women as much as possible especially at work
It’s a good idea... although she can just say she changed her mind after signing and “the man” didn’t respect that. There’s no way around it. Men are screwed from all angles.
This . Womwn are horrifying
I see so many defensive men in the comments saying the rise in allegations makes them worry that they too might be caught up in a scandal. That’s basically saying every allegation is false and so we need to worry about the scheming woman who might tarnish your career.
bla blahblah Shame this is all entirely irrelevant in the UK (where I am). We are allowed to record conversations but only for our own purposes - if the recordings are shared it becomes a crime. They can be used to prevent or as evidence of a crime but it’s unclear as of yet (not been tested in law) whether it could be used as defence in a criminal case. The defendant risks getting additional charged added on for sharing a recording of a private conversation.
faultroy A great point! Both Hoff-Sommers and Paglia have been saying this is a while now: “(post-) modern feminism is infantilising women. It’s diametrically opposed to what women fought for in the 60s and 70s. 2nd wave Feminism (which I’m also not a fan of, as an aside) at least fought for women to be treated like adults and equals (in one way but not every) sexually. These days feminists want men to bear all the responsibility for every sexual encounter making us believe that woman don’t have the ability to consent or not but wanting the right to be able to consent or not retrospectively based on how the woman feels the next day/week/year/decade.
Normally I agree with Professor Hoff Sommers but one of her remarks struck me as somewhat naive. She regarded rules such as the one suggested by Timothy Noah as "silly and infantilizing" (1:39) In a sane world, she would be right, but we don't live in a sane world, do we!? We live in a world where men have to take extreme precautions bordering on paranoia in order to protect themselves from the possibility of false sexual assault accusations. I think the phrase she should have used is "regrettably necessary".
Well the fact is MEN still are owners of most business. It is looking more and more just too much risk to have Women in the workplace...
I love this woman! When my buddy and we’re bar hopping last week one woman grabbed my ass and giggles with her friends as she ran away. At the last bar of the night a woman licked my friend on the face. No “hello”, just drunkenly walked off. Should I have called the cops? No. Women need to grow a pair.
delete yourself
Having worked in education for nearly a quarter of a century I can say that the rules you're describing what I have lived with an under virtually my entire career. I am never alone with anyone the door closed all offices will have Windows they don't have window the door will remain open. For those of you who have not lived in this world welcome to it if you are male you are the target for anyone who wishes to destroy your career with two words.
I've been threatened with "Are you looking at my tits?"
Another reason education is a gynocracy.
I've had it in the opposite direction. Some woman can be cruel as hell when rejected.
As long as the deciding authority on whether I'm a predator or not, is how the female feels, I'm staying away. La donna e mobile...
This vis misses two important points in my view
1/ Mens rea + actus reus: There has to be not only a criminal act but criminal intent. If a woman comes to work in a low cut blouse both men (and women) will not be able to not notice it. So a man being caught 'glancing' at the exposed flesh is not guilty of anything. If he's intentionally staring at her breasts then that's another thing - but I would still question if the woman is completely innocent in this case
2/ For minor cases we don't need to run directly to authorities who are now bound by social justice to pursue every case no matter how trivial. Case in hand: Michael Fallon / Julia Hartley-Brewer. She dealt with the case, end of.
I'm tempted to say that we should just ride this wave out. The smart people in the work force will get the picture and realise the policies are just unworkable in the modern world. I'm one of the few that just refuse to deal with females without a witness of some variety to prevent the damage of a sexual harassment statement but its a growing movement.
I really wish we could get all feminists to believe in Christina Hoff Sommers unicorn feminism. Life would be so much better for everyone, including said feminists.
This is why M.G.T.O.W wins end the game by not playing it. Like my hero Lord Humongous once said "Just walk away" as men there is nothing left for us here just walk away. Let this world rot and burn give it give it only your back to look at.
We (men) have always been warned *not* to be alone after hours with women. At the end of the day it's your words against hers.
Who are they going to believe.
I always appreciate your perspective and insights but with respect I disagree. Until we can publicly join with Tom Golden to say, "men are good," without being accused of misogyny, the only rational course for men is to go on strike against the system, John Galt style, and join the ranks of MGTOW.
If asking her out is harassment, maybe even turning her down might be sexual harassment.
Christina I think it's about time to accept that the word and original meaning of 'feminism' has been lost to extremists. You should consider to join the thousands who describe themselves as equalists instead.
"We don't need a sex panic" says the person who has no chance of losing everything because of allegations of impropriety. I think it's a damn smart idea for men to protect themselves and their female co workers. I'm not sure why this is even a question. Women's safety and men's reputations are more important. It's a small price to pay to clean up this mess that has gotten so far out of hand.
there is no other form of assault or harassment that would be taken seriously years after the fact. im sorry but its obvious that these woman made the choice to use their sexuality to get ahead instead of doing the right thing and pressing charges when it happened. this seems like just another feminist culture "have you cake and eat it too" situation.
not even defending 1, 2, 10 men who broke laws...they should have been charged and arrested. these women hurt more women by not doing anything, they were selfish. had no problem draping themselves over these men in countless photos and keeping quiet if it benefited them.
if we wanna address the elephant in the room we can talk about how female sexuality is "currency" and has always been on a biological level. this is vastly abused in modern times and everybody knows that and 99% of it is positive.
the amount of things men do for women vs what they would do for any other man is unbalanced to say the least and for the most part men always felt a sense of pride that we were able to "woo" the girl of our dreams. its always been a transaction and it was a benefit to both men and women...but now men are demonized for it so fuck, cant win.
then we just throw in the towel
This is a reasonable counterpoint to the more hyper liberal stance generally taken on this. Good vid.
Most of these men have never even been charged. Whole lives, careers and projects have been reduced to ruins on nothing but allegations. Due process is dead. And women call it a victory. As a man who has been sexually harassed by women more than once; and will not receive due process and I'm effectively NOT equal before the law: I'M DONE WITH WOMEN.
I don't want to be alone in the same room with them ever. I don't date at all anymore. I don't attend office parties. And increasingly I don't respect what women do or have to say. I wasn't always like this, but this is how it is now. Women and feminists have irreparable damaged gender relations. And fixing it is not my fucking job.
I feel sorry for my own gender, i hate all those actresses playing the victims in this game where we all know they benefited for...
Thank you, Christina Hoff-Sommers. It probably goes without saying that I'm a straight, white, male. However, I appreciate your sense and reason. Thanks for speaking out against these scares, and standing up for men on the majority who behave decently to one another.
1:00 "everyone loses, especially women." Based mom or not, this gynocentric comment clearly shows that she's still a feminist. We, as a society, have an issue with feeling empathy for men, accepting that they can be the primary victims of crimes and sins and harmful ideologies and unfortunately Ms Sommers is no exception.
I think you're reading far too much into that comment. Christina does have a reasonable explanation for that statement.
We've all heard the joke "Asteroid collides with earth and kills humanity, women most affected" however Christina is right if you put what she said into context. After-hours collaboration between men would likely go unnoticed/unrestricted after policy changes and so men would benefit but women would indeed be worse off due to the policy changes... Which is what she was saying. Furthermore she clarifies that these sorts of policies and gender panic are aimed at infantilizing women - so that also means that women would be more affected because they're the ones being infantilized.
You make people who express actual concerns of gynocentrism look bad with braindead comments like yours and trying to paint Christina as some sort of marxist-Feminist just makes you look like a conspiracy nut.
Hard pass sister, I would not be caught dead alone with a subordinate. This #metoo deal should scare the life out of men and should make majority of us not deal with women.
The one and only Based Mom. Been waiting for your take for some time. I saw Dave Rubin tweet that Vox has cancelled their Christmas party. What a shame.
We should uphold due process without a doubt on all these allegations. However, I think we should also encourage women and men to draw lines, and have boundaries when they are in situations where people naturally let their hair down. Violate those boundaries, and you get in trouble.
How about having separate male and female parties? Like they do in Islamic countries? What could go wrong?
Wolfgang - What boundaries specifically? Who sets and enforces these boundaries? Who educates whom about what those boundaries are and why?
I think these are the fundamental questions that are insufficiently answered in your comment.
You seem serious about this. I am very curious: How do YOU answer these questions? How do you think they should be answered for others? Wha do you think the feminists leading this charge want to accomplish/change?
>Who educates them? --Well, I'd say friends and family.
>Who sets the boundaries? -- Since they are personal, I'd say they vary from individual to individual.
>If I do sound serious, it's only because I'm worried about false allegations. I do recall a story about a year or so ago about a young man who was falsely accused of rape who committed suicide. Subsequently, about a year later, the mother of this man committed suicide as well. It was a really tragic affair. That is my main concern.
>I really push the concept of boundaries, because I believe for one, that we can't enjoy the freedom we have in this country without some level of self-control and moderation. And I'm a big liberty guy. We live in a time when people think it's okay to just let oneself loose, and not give a care about the potential consequences or the dangers that can result from this.
"The one and only Based Mom."
She fucking RULESSSSSS!!
As a business owner .. I haven't hired a woman for two years .. I only hire males . I have 2 left .. I find I'm quiet around them because of political correctness .. I can't be me .. Once they move on it will be men only .. Hedi is close to retirement .. Julie is going overseas travel for a year .. I have told her I will not guarantee her place she is devastated ...Good workers but the feminist movement is strong against white males .. I am cutting the risks .
marco amato now the feminists will attack you for your choices of workers. Either you have women and have a high chance of stupid sexual assault claims or have all, hard working men but have feminists barking down your throat about male privilege and shit
Brother I have great workers but I need to protect my business from legal action ..I can't control or be everywhere .. This is the easiest way ..
marco amato i agree
If they come at you, bud, you can always reply with, "Well, this is what happens when you let radical feminists cut your nose off to spite your face.".
You speak so much calming sense, it makes my head hurt. - like blowing your nose and clearing the social nonsense which has been clogged there for so long.
A bureaucrat I know said he liked his job until it became predominately women. Now he spends an inordinate amount of time intervening in cat fights. His wife agreed.
Another old guy in the trades would not work on projects if woman were involved because they caused more trouble than they were worth.
www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1168182/Catfights-handbags-tears-toilets-When-producer-launched-women-TV-company-thought-shed-kissed-goodbye-conflict-.html
New Rule: Never tell a woman that they are pretty especially if they are pretty.
The "Pence Rule" is simply smart. There are ways for both men and women to collaborate with each other without violating this.
If the modern woman wouldn't act like an infant, we wouldn't have to treat them accordingly. We stopped having shop parties, and I keep audio of every phone call and conversation with female employees. To be honest, the risks of having women in the workplace are rapidly outweighing the reward.
You are falsely implying that there is an automatic reward of having woman in the workplace, which is untrue.
The reward? Please elaborate. (serious question)
Are you asking me or the original commentator?
Nico....It's a common phrase...risk and reward. I interpret it in this context as negative and positive.
By your logic, the risks of having men in the workplace are rapidly outweighing the reward because of sexual harassers.
What about women who propose sex against favors ? Should they be labeled as "creeps" too and punished like masculine creeps ?
"male averse feminism" is not mainstream? Is that supposed to be a joke?
I wish this issue wouldn't keep side stepping men who have been victims of sexual misconduct. It's been woefully silent on male victims and I don't believe for a second that there aren't any.
Being alone with any subordinate is an absolute risk these days especially a woman
This is the problem I can't say hey you look pretty or oh nice haircut because I can get charged with sexual harassment this is the stupidest thing I've ever heard
The only reasonable feminists that I know. And they say that I marginalize radical ones.
I'm sorry but guys need to protect themselves from false allegations bc he will lose everything on an accusation with zero proof.
I personally avoid any women inside the work place.
That is the feminism any sensible human being can support. Keep up the awesome job!
I'm fine with a witch hunt if Hollywood gets burned to the ground in the process.
It'll be like Bacchae: just a nice release.
Its not really profitable for women to accuse the Plumber or the Landscaper, the Pool Guy just doesn't have a big enough bank account.
Thank you Christina, I have been waiting for this video!
"This male averse feminism is not mainstream" I love you Christina, but you're wrong. It's YOUR version of feminism that's not mainstream. Not even in the slightest. Still, keep up the good work and thanks for the vid.
This was an awesome video and you've always been a reasonable voice of Women's Rights you've never bashed all men like many Feminists do these days which as a man has made you my favourite feminist. Thank you Christina Hoff Summers for being the voice of reason in a movement all too often Hysterical.
The UK needs you as the prime minister. You are one of the most well spoken and logically thinking people I have ever seen. You truly should be a more prominent figure in the worlds society. The world needs people like you more than ever.
Do videos more often Based Mom!
Open bars being replaced with Games Zones?, FUCKING AWESOME!! XD
Well done Christine. Your insight is truely invaluable
Wise words my waifu x
There are plenty of feminist I refuse to listen to on social media simply because they tend towards the radical side. I find your channel to be a breath of fresh air. Subscribed and will continue to watch/listen. Thank you for your positive advocacy of both genders with actual facts and sensible arguments.
It's painful how this channel is under appreciated
As a man who has had a working with children card for much of the last two decades, I refuse to allow other people's kids to play out our house without either their parent or my wife around.
My reputation is too important to waste on a potential false accusation in fifteen years time. I've seen too many male teachers who have had their lives destroyed or threatened by false accusations by female students who simply don't like them.
This is one reason why men don't want to become teachers.
We should come together as a society and reject useless divisions. Peace and love!
Condemnation of all men necessarily hurts many women: the men's mothers, the men's daughters, the men's sisters, the men's wives (when they're not the accusers), and, in general, straight women's mental health, for their internal conflict of being attracted to alleged monsters.
THANK YOU FOR BEING YOU Christina Hoff Sommers you are doing good works .
How about women dressing more modestly for a start.
I know what you're talking about here. I've been a supervisor for a few women and I've never had a discussion with any of them behind closed doors. The fear is always there, they could destroy my life with just an accusation. It's hard because I can tell they don't get the benefit of my experience as much as my guys do which makes me worry about favoritism which makes our interactions even more awkward. It's a death spiral of negativity.
My company had a compulsory Sexual Harassment Seminar every year in which they could not tell us what sexual harassment is. Any woman could get any man fired at any time. And no, to any smartass reading my words, this did not happen to me. But I witnessed it. If a woman says "He makes me uncomfortable," how do you defend yourself against that?
Indeed: we need less subjectivity here and more facts. Otherwise, it's open to abuse.
I had a conversation with a male manager that was very stressed because of a situation in his team where a woman has accused an entire team of developers of harassment. It turned out that this woman had mental issues and none of it was true. Everyone was so scared and stressed. The manager told me that he did realize what it means to hire a woman in the team, implying he won't do it again. I think this is one of the backlashes the women are going to feel more and more. I am a woman and I had my share of unwanted attention in my life but I dealt with them myself by clearly defining boundaries. We need to be strong enough to deal with the issues ourselves, a system to get help when we can't solve it ourselves and a neutral and good investigative body that would fairly assess the problems and offer a solution.
Where’s the theme song?!
Thank you for being a voice of reason, in these chaotic times.
Sommers does have a point. What started out as an exposure of a scandal that supposedly was hurting women has become an all-out sex panic and male-bashing campaign, a which hunt. It has gotten to the point in which guys are afraid of meeting women without wondering if they need to lawyer up.
By their standards anybody would think that females don't engage in unwanted flirtation or don't commit crimes or any indiscretions, christ's sake I have flirted with females and they have done it with me but but all mature enough and common sense enough to make a joke out of it and laugh it off and move on!
Of course they do but I would never DREAM of dobbing any woman in for unwanted flirtation no matter how weird or disconcerting
Based Mom, you rock but you're wrong about the Pence rule.
Segregation of the sexes is the way forward in the workplace. Men must not be able to see a woman at work.
Watch what Ian McKellen has to say about the issue.
We could prevent sexual harassment by setting up cameras in every room everywhere and ensure a protective watcher, like a big sister or big brother or something, watch us the entire time. To prevent sexual harassment sometimes 2+2 has to equal 5.
The problem is victims not speaking up when they are assaulted. This allows the predators to have many more victims for years.
Simple, never be alone with women at work.
I have followed the "Mike Pence Rule" for years and that rule is an old rule followed by many pastors and other men for years. If women need counseling or mentoring, would it be so bad to include another woman manager in the meeting? Open bars have always been a bad idea for so many reasons. Most worker compensation insurers recommend this and besides, open bars are way too expensive.
She didn't offer any solutions, The Pence Rule of never being alone with women protects the men involved. Sure you can say it hurts the progress of women in the office but what is a man supposed to do? I've been doing it for 3 years now, one of the best decision I've made in the work place.
Dear fuck... I was going to say.. I wish you'd look back at this video given recent happenings.... and talk about them, but oh my it's been such a short time.
Though, it honestly worries me that it's been less then a year and this has gone almost nuclear.
while I may not see eye to eye with what ya say from topic to topic, I will say I have only respect for how you carry your self & your words, & yes I would lie a full retrospective more about the 'worries' you brought up, and just what you honestly think about that path to get where we are.
Viewed from there perspective of three years, this presentation makes for interesting viewing. I am a huge fan of Christina Hoff Sommers’ brand of rational feminism, and it’s interesting to see how many of her predictions for how this movement might go played out.
I seriously don't understand some people. They wanted more freedom and when they got it they didn't like its responsibility so now they want less freedom. They just need to accept the responsibility and report to the law when something illegal happens.
There are people out there who look at facts before emotions these days?!?!?
Sure. Just look for anyone the Feminists call a "misogynist, or who the Regressives call a "Nazi".
Victims are sometimes just as accountable...a survivor does not think like a victim.
the problem here is she suggests absolutely nothing that will chnage anything, on either side. As much as she dismisses creating higher standards, it is the only thing proven to work
Thank you for your voice. From the time that I was 12 and I'm 51 now I work to support my family I have never been racist never hit a woman never raped anybody never done any of the things that they are accusing me of today. So tired of hearing the hate dialogue coming at men. I would like to see them throw those nasty opinions they have at themselves, I have four daughters five granddaughters and they've all been poisoned by these lies
Pence was 100 percent correct. If you value your career stay away from female co workers period. Don't hug them don't even shake their hands just keep it at good morning, good afternoon, and goodnight.
I'm not sure it's a sex panic. For as long as I can remember the rules were (1) NEVER be alone with a female in your office with the door closed. (2) if you had to go to her office, stand in the doorway if at all possible; if not, then stay in plain sight of the doorway. I don't ever remember working late, alone, with a female, only other males or in groups. (3) DON'T TOUCH. (4) don't compliment her person only her work related actions (5) no jokes, not even squeaky clean ones and (6) treat her like another guy except watch the language, no war stories and only engage in work related discussions.
As for having dinner with a woman not your wife, I never thought about it before Pence brought it up, but I realized that I've never had dinner, alone, with a woman not my wife. The one time I was on an overnight business trip, alone, with a woman of comparable age, I didn't even go to dinner. I ate in my room.
One of the main problems with any workplace rules short of the "puritanical" ones complained about in this video is the rest are too subjective. What is flattering vs what is creepy mostly comes down to whether the woman finds the man attractive or not. I was considered ok looking when younger but then due to medical issues/injuries gained a lot of weight so in a short time frame I went from one side of the spectrum to the other and saw how the exact same words and actions went from welcome (even if rejected) to possible harassment just based on my attractiveness.
Clarity of thought is hot. Christina Hoff Sommers is hot.
It would be nice to think the rules would be equally applied. Accusation and ruin for any male so accused and no action in the case of any woman so charged. Guilt to be determined later. The exposure is all one way whatever the actual case. The Factual Feminist argues for reason and peace and for men to go and take your exposure like a man. Yes mere accusation ruins a male but it shouldn't be like that. I agree. It shouldn't be. This is a case where Ms. Sommers can talk until she is blue in the face. What is the exposure? What is the consequence of accusation? Exposure. Guilt by accusation. Ruin. What Ms. Sommers is saying is, "Calm down children, its just a minefield. Walk slowly forward. It is unlikely to be you who will be blown up. Unless of course you are a bad boy. But that's what you get." What is your exposure Ms. Sommers? What do you suppose will be this season's fashion among the womenfolk? Again, what is your exposure? It would be genuinely infantile not to notice. Wouldn't it?