Why did Italy FLIP Sides in WW2? | Animated History
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Austrian Prussian War maybe?
@@jes3d I remember the pgo
Ok 👌
It’s a huge meme, but no one goes in Depth into the civil war and political battles of late war Italy. Thank you for all your videos.
Yes that why i came here
@@FIVEBASKET same here.
@@FIVEBASKET same here i guess Make the chain
@@error34507 same here
@@FIVEBASKET happy to see someone wanting to go beyond cheap "humor" and try to learn more
As an Italian i Just wanna thank you for talking about italian resistence also because my grampa was a partigiano Who Fought during the Battle of naple where he was killed while saving his friends May he rest in peace😔
Was he a communist
I'm so sorry he died. A true hero.
I'm sorry for your grampa may he rest in peace 🙏
Your grandfather was a hero, never let his ultimate sacrifice be forgotten.
Tu abuelo traiciono a su pueblo, su fé y su ideal.
I think it’s also partially of Victor Emmanuel being cautious with power, because at the point of time prior to Mussolini’s removal, Mussolini had political capital and power. If the king acted, he might be deposed, and likelier than not, Mussolini would consolidate any remaining power there is. The king was by convention (though can legally exercise discretionary powers) a figurehead.
Yes, on fact many historians define italian fascism as "partial totalitarism", because Mussolini had power only in accordance and sustain with and of the king, the pope, and many other political figures wich joined the party even if before they were not part of the party itself. Victor Emmanuel gave Mussolini the goverment because he wanted to avoid a civil war, but in the end he was still the man who could remove the duce from power, when he wanted
No he didn't.
He could have raised a finger and mobilize the Carabinieri (who were loyal to the King only) and a fair amount of armed force and decapitate the Grand Council.
He didn't, because he was short bot in body and in character
@@animeXcaso that would have just started a way worse conflict a lot earlier on. Italy would be like Spain but way worse because you'd have Fascists, communists, and monarchists fighting each other in the 20s and 30s.
@@animeXcaso that wouldnt have worked. carabinieri are only like national guard. wouldn't stand a chance against a actual army. and beside even if they decapitate the grand council. mussolinini prob would've escaped and return
Though it is to mention that the kings infamous flight from Rome destroyed his and the monarchys support
Germany: Ok ain’t no way Italy gonna fight our occupation and somehow win.
Italian Partisans: *Breathes*
Man, I really wish there were some more perspectives on ww2. for example, Czechoslovakia and Denmark or Norway. I know they weren't too significantly important but there's still some vast history behind their entrance into the war and I really think it should be explained the way griffin explains it. Again, keep up the good work with these videos.
I want free French in afirca, east afirca with kings african rifles, Madgascar, naval battle of Trinidad and Tobago and the Caribbean and pacific islands or other islands like Falkland and the island where napolean went saint helana I think like what if there was a invasion of French Guiana or guadelope because it was vichy
Las Malvinas* d(v)mb@@space4166
Good to see your channel back rolling after everything that happend!
I missed it, what happened
@@jimc.goodfellas226 Check his previous video
@@jimc.goodfellas226 his discord account got hacked, and multiple of his servers were stolen
It's still not over, Currently the other servers at least the Armchair Historian TV one is still hacked and all messed up by the hackers that are trying to promote there supposed game that hacks your computer. IF you are in those servers still. Im sure he will get it back but just do not communicate with anyone in them atm as saying anything will get you timed out or kicked or worse.
@@mattcraztex9940 all of his servers were destroyed, atleast 1 person from AH's server had fallen victim. His entire computer is compromised, and the hackers have access to everything. Griffin's address, bank details, etc., everything. Luckily he has regained control of his account, but he will be taking a break from youtube for a unknown amount of time. The only thing safe to click coming from Griffin's accounts are his videos via youtube itself, and F&M.
I am amazed by how high quality your videos are. AND YET YOU STILL POST EVERY 1-2 WEEKS! IT'S AMAZING KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK!
The animations are high quality but the actual history is not great, for example the entire team he hires somehow didn't realise that the US fifth army (represented by two US flags) was majority British, landed by a primarily British naval force, and most losses were also British during the operation. I've seen plenty of mistakes in his (their) other videos as well. His videos are uploaded quickly because they're obviously designed for midwitts and/or pure entertainment rather than real education.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Avalanche_naval_order_of_battle
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allied_invasion_of_Italy_order_of_battle
Did you notice he is reading?
@@Swift-mr5zi It's not supposed to be, if you are intrestet in the presented topic, you do your own research. No one expects those videos to be 100% accurate
@@MistycznyRuchacz69 The idea that someone would watch a history video knowing its not meant to be accurate is just silly this channel is run by multiple people and they make the most basic errors, its not like they're errors are complex and nuanced they're must plain wrong facts.
@@Swift-mr5zi Which ones? There are no cardinal errors, so if someone wants to learn how a certian battle went on, they will have enough information to hold a conversation about it.
You are perfectly working with details. Mussolini was really killed by french gun MAS-38 and in the video is really MAS-38!
Everybody makes fun of Italy for switching sides, but at least they weren't the ones whose infrastructure was completely decimated and leveled from allied strategic bombing campaigns and ceased to be a unified country for almost half a century.
Didn’t Italy just elect a facist leader?
We were utterly gutted and devastated, save for certain critical industrial and electrical plants in the north, saved by the partisans at the eleventh hour. The rest of the country was in shambles and famished: cities bombed to smithereens, all bridges down, railways and road, the pride of our engineering, sabotaged by the retreating Germans.
Yeah, you just forgot to mention they also lost a bunch of their territory to the poles, so that they could lose their territory to the soviets. And ignore that they could have surrendered once it was clear they would lose the war instead of trying to fight to the last child. By the way, they were also fucking Nazi's, and every single bomb was worth it.
They make fun of you because you pussed out and changed sides
@@trunksbrief6728 yes we should be upset we weren’t divided for 50 years and nuked!
at 18:00, there is Bella Ciao playing in the background. It's just so beautiful, but tragic alike
Watching this video explains in such a great way what's just reduced as a whole joke or meme.
My grandma still remembers these events despite being between 12-17 when the War happened, especially during the 1943 Allied bombing runs and in 1944 when the Germans seized our family pharmacy and house to transform it into a small army outpost and weapons depot.
Also i recommend to read about this period, the novels "Men Against" of Elio Vittorini and "The Path To The Nest Of Spiders" of Italo Calvino. They speak about partisans in northern Italy, and they were written by writers which were part of the resistance, and wrote them during the civil war itself. The seocnd in particular can be readen also by very young readers, because is a sweet, adventure story about a kid, which join the resistance, after he steal the gun of a german commander, which ishis sister's boyfriend.
The partisans both in France, The Netherlands and Italy were always under represented in my history classes, I always wonder if it has to do with the fact that they were usually socialist or communist
Yes. That and the fact that those resistance were so ineffective and useless, in the eyes of the Allies commander and 1950-60s historian, that no one want to remember them.
Mostly because their efforts were for the most part pointless. The only resistance movement that had a genuine effect on the war effort were the Yugoslav partisans.
@@johncarter4956 they would Also diminish the glory of American and English people 😅
Here in italy they are way overrepresented
@@johncarter4956 "no one want to remember them." well in their countries, they are remembered as the brave soles they were
Your animations are literally movies at this point pls keep it up your actually the best history youtuber
Yes exactly
Italy switched sides because they remembered the German betrayal at Teutoburg Forest
Anybody liking this is a Barbero fan.
@@IlTrojo ma anche no
A true grudge
"Modern Italy and Rome are litterally the same" 🤓
@@youravrageitaliandude6016 No they are not. Rome throughout all that time was sympathetic towards Germany. The Vatican laundered Nazi Plunder, turned the Jewish people over to the Nazis and assisted Nazi War Criminals in escaping Germany. There were many Catholic Priests that were Card Carrying Nazis. That's why there is a wall built around Rome, it is a city state separate from the rest of Italy.
sad about the discord, yet you and your team still pump out great videos. Hope you succeed in fixing the problem with the hackers.
Wait what happened?
@@taxidermypolarbear1724 It got hacked
@@Muzzle7.62 That's crumby.
my granddad (on my mum's side) was a Carabiniere in Rome who was arrested by the Germans then narrowly escaped before being taken away, likely to the Fosse Ardeatine massacre mentioned in the video.
He eventually made his way south and hid in the Certosa di Trisulti convent until the allies liberated the area, after which he would join the resistance and infiltrate the Carabinieri of Savona, who had by now been purged of any monarchist sympathies and replaced with fascist fanatics. He'd spend the rest of the war passing on local intel to the Allies.
He'd end up paying for his service as about a decade and a half after the war he'd be once again reassigned to Savona, only to find out that many of the fascists were still in their posts or had even managed to secure a few promotions. By now they knew he had been a snitch, my grandfather's carreer would be left dead in the water as he'd get passed over for promotion and then forced into an early retirement by the end of the century.
In a way i guess he was still luckier than my other granddad, who had lost his father to allied bombings and would spend most of the civil war in a POW camp in Poland
Hopefully, Bulgaria and Romania are next on the switcheroo videos.
Not hero. Look at europe of today
Finland: Am I joke to you?
@@wazzup233 CGE mannerheim after finland sign peace treaty with ussr: *insert dissapearing man here*
@@myhonorwasloyalty larper spotted
I always love it when little known historical periods are touched on. And this one deserved to be mentioned. Nice video.
I must say that this video went into more details into the civil war than what was taught when I attended high school in Italy.
It is also good to remind people that behind the memes of switching sides when the tide turned, a lot of blood was shed and life lost, and countless of brave people had to live for months under the terror of the brutal Nazi occupation.
Italy never changed side in WW2, Italy was divided into two sides and fascists stay in Axis side and anti fascists joined Allied, that's all.
Exactly ! Like France during WW2, memes often misrepresent, distort or denie historical facts.
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Well said! Italy suffered a civil war rather than simply "switch sides"
This would be ignorant to the historical timeline of what played out. Civil war erupted due to the switch referenced. They indeed switched. That’s putting it simply, but the divide you reference is a result of that. German forces seized on some major blunders and took the north new RSI region and put the recently rescued Mussolini in charge of the puppet state.
USSR defeated fascism
Italy: “We surrender!”
Germany: “No you don’t”
You realy can feel bad for Umberto II, he was very opposed to the idea of leaving Rome, stating that they had enough forces to defend the city (wich was true, the italian armored forces outnumbered the germans 4 to 1) but in the end Victor forced him to leave. He loved Italy and when he lost he simply retired even tough monarchists were already arming themself for another civil war.
Absolute props to the background Bella Ciao in the closing message of the video,.
Witnessing the evolution of this channel is amazing! So proud of you, Griffin, and your team for providing such in depth breakdowns of so many realms of history seldom talked about. Your production is awesome!! Keep it up. :)
Bella ciao playing in the background was a perfection. Big brain editing right there!
Thanks for covering the topic!
The cut at 18:20 on the word 'partisans' is so clean, I almost didn't notice it. Very professional.
Very very well done, really enjoyed this, thank you!
Mussolini being mini me had me dying
This video tells about things that in Italy are repeat forever at school, but the world knows a few of this. Thank you for this video😊
Good video. I do hope you explore this topic in further detail. Claudio Pavone's monumental historical work " A Civil War" would be a great thing to distill into videos.
Also, one day I hope you do a video on the International Brigades and their Aftermath. A lot of those guys later fought in Italy and the OSS agents were mostly IB vets from Spain.
I can say that King Victor Emmanuel was just a figurehead and Mussolini was the leader of Italy that took decisions, approving laws, and leading his country. The Italian Civil War was brutal, Italians fought against themselves. There are a lot of similarities between Romania and Italy. Both were "monarchies" in theory which had a king that was just a figurehead and the Prime Minister was the one that will lead the country also both kings got rid of the Prime Minister.
Another similarity is that both of them became a State Nation exactly in the same years: 1859-1862 for Romania, 1859-1861 for Italy. And both of them had for decades an ambivalent love-hate relationship with the Habsburg Empire, until WW1.
Fun fact: during the Paris Congress in 1856, Prime Minister Cavour proposed the dukes of Parma and Modena as new monarchs in Wallachia and Moldavia, in exchange for the annexation of their States to Piedmont.
Curious how eveybody trash Hirohito when he had even less power than VEIII
Very interesting topic. Is it possible to make more videos of topics before the 18th, 19th and 20th centuries, as I believe there is also a lot of possibilities in the previous centuries.
Gonna try and share this one about a bit after your hack experience 👍 Great work as always
Thanks for putting some context to this.
Dear Griffin, this was a great video. While we're on the topic of Italy, I'd love to see a video about the evolution of Italian army uniforms.
Kudos for the soundtrack by an Italian!!! Very humble suggestion: the Cephalonia massacre of the Acqui Division.
This is literally the definition of the show must go on
Love this channel!
The Bella ciao remix in the background at the end was a neat touch.
A truely great representation of the reasons why Italy switches sides.
Oh and of course the memes. Nobody can ever forget the history memes about the Italian tactical ‘switch team’ play.
the switch team memes are old, inaccurate and insulting
@@crook7493 what do you expect from a country that has creationism thaught in schools?
@@crook7493 exactly, W standpoint
agreeable
@@crook7493 only fools could appreciate them .
i like that you've put "bella ciao" in background music at the end, nice touch.
Amazing video as always!
My grandfather was responsible for training partisans to fight the bad guys during the war. Even though he carried guns and did a lot of hard fighting, he was just an electrician, as we found out after we dug up pictures of him and his buddies in their double lightning bolt electrician helmet and gear! My grandpa was a real hero!
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come up with an original joke if you're so desperate for likes my dude
So by bad guys you mean the communist ✡ that instigated both WWI and WWII?
Glad you got your discord back ❤
He did? How?
@@tylermorrison420 discord banned the guy from the account
@@cameraman404 respect to discord for not being to hard to reach
Thank you for the content
I love the use of the melody of bella ciao
This is fascinating as my grandfathers family hid in mountains from the Germans & helped with resistance.
"Certified Italy Moment."
-Griffin Johnson
Bella ciao at the end. Nice touch
Excellent video!
It would be quite pleasant to see a documentary on the Carlist wars.
The Italian civil war, mid WW 2 is such an under represented part of the war. Anyone could recommend me a book about it?
Noi ragazzi della resistenza
Awesome show
The video is very good, the historical knowledge about the war is good and easy to absorb. I hope the channel grows more and more🤗🤗🤗🤗
Great video, really well done. And the last touch of using "Bella ciao" at the end...
yeah, that was supercool!
E grazie anche a te, continuo ad ascoltarti dagli USA ;)
@@andreagallo6224 grazie Andrea! Hai visto che è uscito il mio nuovo libro ;)?
@@italiastoria Non lo sapevo! dove lo trovo?
Did you use Bella Ciao for the background music?This was the anthem of the Partisans.
He did indeed, great song
Continue like that!
another great video
After the 1946 referendum, a carabinieri guard grabbed Umberto II’s hand while boarding his plane bound to Lisbon and said to the King: “Your Majesty, we will never forget you!”
When Italy gets memed for switching sides in WW2 but you did the same: *Stealthy Romania noises*
gl with the discord man, hope it gets resolved.
This was a video I wanted to see for a long time
"Hey Luigi, are we the baddies?"
"I think so too Mario. Let's switch sides."
"Good idea."
Hi, i know it’s a lot to ask but i’ve been very intresten in the Dutch army lately, could you make a video about the evolution of the Dutch army? I’ve heard they have introduced a new uniform so that would be real cool to see.🤩🤩
happy you got the server back
Congratulations on your beautiful video, it is historically very accurate and the animations are incredible. This is one of the best and most unbiased historical youtube channels.
Thank you for speaking about Italy and the Civil War. It’s a partially open wound still today in our Country. My grand-dad was exiled as political opponent - commie - and died in an act of sabotage in Torre Annunziata in 1946, it ment a lot for me to watch your video 🙂
It would be cool if the armchair historian would make a video about the battle of Verdun
Great video 😀
Keep up the good work 👍
An interesting episode of this civil war can be found in the region Val d'Aosta. Partisans and RSI forces agreed to not fight each other and keep the region safe from French army claiming the occupation.
Thank you very much, as an Italian I loved it. Actually I was waiting for someone not italian and with a record of reliability to cover this topic as it is still so divisive in our country. On one side it is celebrated by institutions, but this could be for national propaganda reasons. On the other side is often neglected by foreigners, but this could be because "you should never say something good of a mainly communist movement". It is good to have a more "objective" voice talk about it.
Sorry for your hacking problems man. I love your videos!
The music in the background is a nice touch 👌
I respect the Italians who were anti-fascists in the army during WWII and forgive those who did not want to fight in Greece. They are great fighters who fought under the most incomprehensible officers in many cases. Besides, the memes about them having the whole nation switching sides is ridiculous. I guess ignorant WWII history meme lovers forgot to pick up a book and research what the "Salo Republic" was.
@@1nv15BL3 I absolutely do. Especially that one friend from Taormina who is learning the Italian variant of Greek ;)
You should do eveolution of italian uniforms of greek,spanish and more.
Love thus Video!!
Very nice artwork!
Many forget that fascism took the power with a coupe and the complicity of the crown.
He got hacked and still posts regularly. Absolute king
Playing Bella Ciao at the end was a nice touch
An amazing video
Plz do the Korean War from the Korean Perspective!
Can you PLEASE do the French tanks evolution?
Can't wait for COH3, I remember asking about it during a Civil War game stream and hearing he was excited and planned to play.
solid content
Corrections: In 1943, with the Italian Royal Army taking a beating in Russia, especially Stalingrad, and Sicily falling to American and British forces. Count Dino Grandi convinced the Grand Council to call for a vote of no confidence in Benito Mussolini and to negotiate an armistice with the Allies in Cassible that was signed on September 3rd and would go into effect on September 8th, but Hitler would not accept the armistice. When Operation Aches commenced, German troops disarmed Italian soldier but not all of Italians complied and shootings incidents broke out between German and Italian soldiers while some took to the terrain, including the Carabinieri, and fought as guerrillas. Christian democrats= Catholics and those who wanted a democratic post war Italy, Royalist or Monarchist= Italians loyal to Victor Emmanuel III and not to Mussolini, Jewish Italians, Carabinieri and Italian soldier who escape or eluded detention, Communist, Socialist, Mafiosi (Mafia Crime Lords), Middle Class citizen and civilians who refused to work in German factories united to fight the Fascists and the Nazis.
When the new Italian government was formed, they established a new armed force called the Co-belligerent army (the Royal Italian army trained by the British), the Co-beIligerent navy (Italian Royal navy ships that had a US or Royal British Naval Liaison officer), and the Co-belligerent Air Force (Italians flying for the RAF.) consisting of newly volunteered Italians from liberated territory or former Italian POWs from US, Canadian and British camps who choose to switch sides in exchange for clemency.
The mission to rescue him was kind of a disaster that only succeeded because of extremely inflexibility in the Italian command structure culminating in Mussolini’s flight back which Skorzeny insisted on coming along despite making the craft extremely unstable meaning. But that’s skorzeny a man who probably did only 5% of what he claimed but knew how to charm hitler like few others. I would recommend looking it up its quite funny in how incompetent the whole thing pans out.
Bella Ciao at the end was a nice touch
When you did the war of the triple aliance i was ready for more south america content, but guess i have to keep waiting
Can you do a video in Brazil's involvement in WWII?
Please do Asia Italy next aka Thailand (Siam at the time) perspective in bat world war
Since the end of World War II, there are so many coups and military rule on that country and the latest one was ten years ago but Thailand is very resilient to political crisis for the past 80 years unlike other Southeast Asian countries.
17:53 Bella ciao!
Nice video
amazing that the channel goes strong even after the calamity that unfolded recently
what calamity
what happened
Was the discord thing really a calamity? He probably only made a big deal about it because of the risk of someone trying to scam his fans using his account.
He just lost his Discord account. Worst case it's used to promote scams which is why he made a big deal out of it.
@@Ozzianman Im prety sure his entire computer was compromised. Bank detailas, address all that studf floating on the dark web. I may be wrong but that is what I understood
Can we have a video about the Austrian-Prussian war?
Good. It was a good documentary. 👍