What if Czechoslovakia Rejected the Munich Agreement?
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- čas přidán 28. 01. 2024
- Do you think that Germany could defeat Czechoslovakia in 1938? The two countries could be in a state of war if Czechoslovakia rejected the Munich Agreement. This agreement stripped Czechoslovakia of much of their industry, land, and fortifications on the border with Germany. What ended up happening after that is Germany freely invaded the rest of the country, and Czechoslovakia couldn’t defend itself.
What would the consequences for Germany be if they lose against Czechoslovakia? Would this conflict escalate into a World War, most likely starting the Second World War a year earlier? Let me show you what I came up with!
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00:00 - Video Intro
You have Unlocked an Achivement with a Czech's Aproval: The Munich Disagreement
Hahaha nice! Very good meme!
@@rewriting-historyis that a HOI4 REFERENCE
"Where the French army stole bicycles from the german citizens there."
Was the French army raised in Chicago or something?
Here is a link to a French series showing how in early September, a few days after the declaration of war on the German Reich, French soldiers penetrated a few kilometers into the Saarland. The French stole bicycles from there on which they returned home (look at 22:00-22:20) - there is the scene, unfortunately I could not find a version with English dubbing. czcams.com/video/8AUQXpsyiGk/video.html
Seems a bit optimistic to assume that the Czechs would pull off all these complicated operations and Germany would make so many mistakes
Perhaps you're right, but the other option is that Czechoslovakia falls, which means we get the historical timeline, so nothing would change.
@@rewriting-history there could be an interesting middle ground where Germany conquers Czechoslovakia but takes so much damage and devastates the Czechs industry to a degree that they don’t really gain anything in the short term and all of Europe has seen enough weakness so they won’t roll over to German demands or even ally with them in a war.
@@George-real That seems most likely. The Czech's would probably destroy a lot of their industry during their retreat which would severely hamper German efforts in Poland. The casualties alone could cause a problem for Hitler.
You idot, we had frots along the border, one of the strongest armies in the world, good industry and economy! Germans were still not fully recovered from Great Depression and the restrictions.
Well, the number of German mistakes matters not as Germany had to make a mistake only once
As an avid HOI4 player, I see where this is coming and it's genuinely hilarious. Great video and keep up the good work.
Glad you liked the video! It wasn't necessary inspired by HOI4, but the game shapes some of my other scenarios.
Hi from Czechia, great video and scenario with many details, but you missplaced the town České Budějovice, they are in Bohemia and not in Moravia, so they are more west, and we also got promised from Soviet Union some airplanes.
Glad you liked it! I have no idea how I messed up with the city's place, will not do that in the future!
Romanian's minister allowed that soviet union can send 100k man to Czechoslovakia through Romania and as many airplanes as they want but the airports were too far so probably only bombers could come to the czechoslovakia.
But in the end soviet help wasnt 100% sure
@@suprtrooper9049 It wouldn't have been so much help, more like under new management.
This is probably the most accurate scenario I've seen so far. Except few things to add:
1. Yes, Hitler was very famous in sudenenland, but in sudetenland, there were also lots of german democrats, who volunteered not only for czechoslovak army, but czechoslovakia also created their own military oroganization - republikanishe wehr. This means that germans weren't fighting only for czehchoslovakia, but also for democracy in europe.
2. German economy was supposed to go bankrupt in exactly 1 month from 30th september. (This was more or les mentioned in german fuel situation)
3. Romania offered to send soliders in case of war and soviets could send air support.
4. Czechoslovak airforce was sometimes called obsolete for using biplanes. But their biplanes had simmilar speed compared to german planes (they were slightly slower) but they benefited from mentioned maneuverability and better climb rate. This means that czechoslovak airforce could win small skirmishes.
5. German attacks could be probably even bloodied and gains could be even smaller in my view, because czechoslovak army focused mainly on defense - they developed a strategy to counter blitzkrieg (mainly from knowing about fall grün). And they could also be much higher, because all divisions of czechoslovak army had 3x more light machine guns than german and 2x more heavy machine guns. Most of the divisions also had light tanks in them. German strategy was mostly to catch enemy country by shock and destroy them during mobiliastion. Czechoslovakia was (as mentioned) mobilised and after mobilisation, the army had strong patriotic fervor, which vould be also boosted a lot after rejecting munich agreement. This would mean, that czechoslovaks would fight until the last bullet.
6. Czechoslovak border fortifications were very high quality and were used to develop weapons to destroy forts in france and belgium. After germans occupied sudenteland, they realized, that they wouldn't heve been able to get past them
Soviets would not send air support, just look at how they supported poland. No reason to assume Ribbentrop-Molotov would be ignored.
Said planes were OK-ish and had great pilots, but suffered from small numbers, especially bombers.
Czechoslovakian positions weren't prepared at the time, most border forts had just walls, while the artillery could be very useful, the ammunition was a big issue.
Not sure where you get your numbers, czechoslovakia had less machine guns then germany, maybe a comparable amount if germans didn't use all of them.
@@giantotter319 From what i found, all forts on the main defensive line were finished. Where they weren't mostly finished was fallback line. And all finished forts had in time of mobilisation equipment in them (however most of them were marked as unfinished, because they planned to add gas filters). And almost all units were on places.
Soviets would send air support, because they had a treaty with czechoslovakia, that they would enter war, if france joined a war. Yes, if france joined a war. But they offered to send air support in case france didn't join the war.
From reliable sources, i found out, that regular german division had available 378 light machine guns and 138 heavy machine guns. On the other hand czechoslovak division had available 1037 light machine guns and 263 heavy machine guns. This means, that even if they own more, they couldnt use them, because germany, lacked logistics in sileszia and austria. That made them not able to support their whole army in border regions. And we can't forget, that they could't just move their whole army to the border. What if france joined at last? And thus they prepared for invasion of czechoslovakia only 900k troops.
Used sources about weapon numbers: www.niehorster.org/011_germany/39_organ_army/39_id-1_welle.html
www.idnes.cz/technet/vojenstvi/mobilizace-pechota.A130326_122653_vojenstvi_kuz
@@ovca410About the Soviet air support, they would have to cross the Polish or Romanian border to get to Czechoslovakia. Those two countries were very anti-soviet and, as far as I know, didn't want to let anyone through. Wouldn't that mean War with one of them?
@@Simonix23 Since Czechoslovakia bought planes from USSR, they would have been sent probably trough air, to maximize effectivity. The air would be most probably sent through be Romania, since Czechoslovakia can say, that those planes are bought by them. With a bit of luck, USSR can secure access through Romanian airspace. If Soviet pilots would then board trains and travel trough those countries, they could get to Czechoslovakia in relatively short period of time.
Hello! It was a good video. I am from Czechia and I love to study WW2. Just some things that were told/showed bad: the České Budějovice and Brno aren't in Slovakia, České Budějovice is actually closer to Plzeň than to the place you showed and Brno is more on northwest of the Moravian offensive. Then about the writers Karel and Josef Čapek... Karel was so ill, that he almost couldn't do anything and as we saw in history, both of them wouldn't leave the country (Karel died before Gestapo came for him to inprison him and Josef, even though he could escape to Britain, stayed and later was killed in labour camp). About the "profesionalism" of our army... well it wasn't that good, we had a lot of great generals and great base from legionars, we had well trained just a few units, not even half of the army. We had 2 mobilizations: 1 around the time of Auschluss (I am not sure by this date, if someone could correct me, it would be nice) and the massive second 2 weeks before the Munich betrayal, where around 1 million men were mobilized. Also we didn't have enough weapons, Germans had more artillery, more tanks (worse, but still a lot of them), more planes (we had better pilots and maybe better planes, but it was impossible to win the air battle) and so much more. We couldn't defend Moravia, since it's a one big flat, but through our major mountains, where the forts were, noone could push, so the succesful offensive towards city of Plzeň is unrealistic.
Great video about the failed painter with alternate history. Keep them coming.
4:46 minor mishap: German-Danish border has been changed to give all of Sleswig to the Germans, which did not happen IOTL.
I'm glad that you liked it, will keep producing quality alternate history scenarios! Thank you for pointing out this mistake, I will fix it soon!
Very interesting video, I think this your most historical accurate video, loved the editing, in my opinion this is the greatest video yhat you ever created
Thank you very much for that! I tried something a bit more realistic, will see if people enjoy it and if I will continue.
Hey i rly love ur videos can u make what if Turkey joined the axis?@@rewriting-history
@@chello477 I will make a video about them joining the Allies, it will be out in mid February
@@rewriting-history yeah also the british bombed turkiye to make them think it was germany for turkiye to join allies
@@rewriting-history but then turkiye found out it was british
Amazing thumbnail! Love your content 😊😊😊❤❤❤
Appreciate it, see you in the video premiere!
@@rewriting-history yep
Keep up with the videos! ❤❤
Thank you very much for that, I will keep it up!
Awesome abbreviated summary of World War II. Though some important details were missing.
Epic and Benes-Pilled, very good video
Glad you liked it! Cheers friend!
Beneš gave the fucking idea to have the agreement, yo
You said city of České Budějovice but you showed German army attacking on place where Bratislava is located. These cities are hundereds of kms apart
I said that paratroopers failed to take České Budějovice, then moved to Bratislava where the Germans attacked too.
These were 2 different battles, maybe I didn't make it clear enough
What a banger of a video
Glad you liked it, expect more bangers in the future!
I think you went too hard on the backstory. I don't need to know the entire history of ww2 for an alt hist video on the Munich agreement. Personally I would have stopped talking about the backstory at the start of ww2, unless you also wanted to talk about ways czechoslovakia specifically impacted the war such as the last battle being in Prague or Czech partisans assassinating hedyrich.
I agree with you here, looking back at it, it was a mistake on my part. This I will avoid for sure in the future, so expect better quality
Nice video you are becoming my favourite because you not explaining real history those we already know.
Glad I'm becoming somebody's favourite, really makes my day!
I like ur vids they’re always high quality also just curious what do u use to make ur maps
Glad you like them! I just use paint. net and a lot of time to make my maps. You can join my discord and get them all for free if you want!
@@rewriting-history yeah I’ve joined ur discord
A part two would be kinda epic
Hello, did you read an alt history books from Jan Drnek called Žáby v mlíku in czech? He mentioned there the thing with the sugar and petrol for tanks. Anyway great video and continue 😁
New editing with the images suddenly appearing was a bit weird but video was still excellent
Glad you liked it! I'm always experimenting with the editing, so expect changes, need to find what people like the most
i didn't like the images/gifs popping up suddenly but the dates were nice@@rewriting-history
AYEEEE HE DID MY SUGGESTION!!!
Rewriting History Fans: Please continue this senario.
Rewriting History:Best I can do is recommend my video on France invading Germany in 1936
I haven't seen anyone request this scenario to be continued, but I like the meme you came up with!
@@rewriting-history I would like you to continue it sometime if you can:)
i liked how u recapped ww2 well and quick but in good detail good video as always
Glad you liked it, appreciate the support!
What if the Neapolitan Republic of 1648 survived?
12:45 city of České Budějovice is located in suthern czechia, not between moravia and slovakia, but despite this error very good video!
I really don't know how I messed that up so badly. Many Czechs have noticed, which I'm glad that people are seeing what I do in detail! I promise to do a lot better in the future!
Very interesting
Glad you liked it, friend!
This timeline is based.
I'm very glad that you liked it!
Byly jsme, jsme, a budem!
We were, are, and will be!
What if hitler didnt invade czechslovakia after they annexed The sudentanland
Chamberlain probably remain a bit popular as it would seem like war has been avoided, and they might be more willing to do further appeasement, or maybe nothing changes and instead Germany is weaker
What do you edit these with? Premiere Pro? DaVinci Resolve? Something else?
This one was done by a freelance editor on filmora wondershare
This scenario is sort of similar to series of books: 1938 Věrni zůstaneme and 1938 Neporaženi
Small correction at 4:35 Yugoslavia was couped by the Britts
I would only want to see a part 2 to this
Question where did you get your maps i also want to use them myself
I make all maps myself, you can join my discord and get them all for free!
*VIDEO SUGGESTION:*
What if Stalin had decided to invade Finland in around March 1940? Would they have preformed better than they did in our timeline, as it wouldn't be The Winter?
You should use a font that renders letter with diacritics. I reccomend Gentium, its free & supports a HUGE library of letters.
I have one interesting idea, what if Stefan Stambolov stayed in power of Bulgaria
The czechoslvaks could hold out for probably a long time as they had a large army and a large industry, Germany just might just have been able to gain air superiority but on the ground it would be very diffficult.
Also can you make a video similar to this on what if, when czechoslovakia rejected the munich agreement, and germany invaded them, poland also joined on their side
Can you maybe do alternative history about bulgaria maybe like what if bulgaria gained independence during the crusade of varna
Truth prevails!
Fun fact: they werent allowed to be in the conference
0:12 Not just industry, land and fortifications, but also most of its military equipment, which the military wasn't allowed to take with them by the Munich Agreedment
Czechoslovak power intensifies
Soon the whole world is going to speak Czech!
I have a cool idea for a scenario:
What if Belgium's claim to the Congo was supported by Germany instead of France.
This would have Belgium be allies with Germany meaning they may join the central powers or they could become a protectorate.
They could allow German troops to go to France through them meaning there wouldn't be any British intervention.
This would have Germany win the 1st world war.
Okk now im invested in the aftermath
Miklós Horthy getting successfully couped by Károlyi is as likely as Bulgaria having a stable economy
Perhaps you're right, I'm not aware of the exact political situation. I just assumed that fascism will be out of fashion once Germany gets defeated
@@rewriting-history In 1938 Hungary was not even fascist, Horthy was an authotorian monarchist and publicly declared in 1920 he would never again align with the far right. The prime minister Béla Imrédy would become later a fascist, but it was thanks to the first Vienna award where he droped his conservative views, but in this senario it never have happend so he would keep his anglophile views. Finally for Károlyi he lost all his popuparity far before Horthy even assumed power thanks to him srlling out the vountry for the Entente, the only democratic element of the country was the march front, but they could never seize full power because Bajcsy-Zilinsky (their leader) supported the regent. Hungary was only officially fascist after Horthy was overthrown in 1944 after he tried to negotiate with the soviets. Hoped this helped with understanding our situation better
@@rewriting-history Bruh fascism isn't out of fashion even by now, how do you think it would look like in that time
I think instead of making half the video being a backround explanation and the rest being scenario, you should make a third of the video be history, another third how the scenario happens and final third to see the long term effects of the scenario. far more then what you went for in this video
I agree with you, I don't know why this part ended up being so lengthy, I'm usually better at this. I promise to you not to commit the same mistake again!
12:45 Bro České Budějovice is somewhere else entirely
Darn bro
I'm crying and screaming right now Beneš would never smoke marijuana😢😢
3:51 somebody here is playing HOI4, isn't?
This is actually almost exactly the plot of czech book 'Frogs in the milk' :D
Just there, Poland actually attacked Czechoslovakia and was in turn attacked by Soviets.
Otherwise, plot was almost the same including sugar in gas stations:D
In subsequent books Soviets gained influence in Spain and started WW2 in 1942 by attacking Gibraltar from Spain and Poland and Germany simultaniously.
Soviets were eventually defeated by european coalition in 1947. Czechoslovakia thanks to its uranium deposits participated in development of Nukes together with UK and South Africa. US had not intervened in Europe and focused only on Pacific
You're right, it's almost based on the book, but I did change some major events. I assume you're Czech, as how else would you know it?
@@rewriting-history yes, Czech here, I dont expect this book being translated into English.... maybe sometime with improved AI autotranslations :D
How have you learned about it ? :D
Comment for algorithm
Appreciate it, as it's very much needed!
New title: what if the *allies* rejected the Munich agreement
they weren't even invited to the meeting where THEIR land would be given to germany, which i think is quite hilarious. imagine having your house be partitioned into units without your knowledge.
you should do what if the megali idea was successful
I already did, it was 2 videos before this one!
Suggestion: what if intermarium was formed after ww1 basically poland would support the Ukrainian independence rebels to beat the soviets which they would gain independence up to around the Dnieper then they would forge an alliance between Poland Romania and Ukraine then Lithuania would be given Vilnius in return for them joining and then at the Munich Conference Czechoslovakian independence would be guaranteed which would lead to the Germans invading THE Intermairum with the soviets
video idea : What if ottoman empire won war of 1877-1878 🤔
POV me in the Munich disagreement achievement (I was in pain)
“The citizens demand the entire resignation of the government” average day in France
W Video
Very glad that you liked it!
Was the 6 minute explanation of the Second World War really necessary?
Is there anyone here who didn't know all of that?
No, it wasn't. I should have shortened it, or just ignored it and assumed that people know what it was about. I promise not to make this mistake again, only quality content from me should be expected!
@@rewriting-history Good :)
Benes’s wildest dreams
German player in hoi4 when Czechoslovakia refuses Sudetenland…
What if napoleon ii inherited the throne of austria?
I do not See how this would lead to Mussolini Fall?
A little corriction at 10:41 hungary didint attack not becuse of fear instead it wanted to gain back lost lands peacfully
What if Czechoslovakia united Germany?
as a czech i approve this video
12:30 I believe you forget ONE major problem the Czechoslovak army would face. The Sudetanland Germans who would definitely revolt in favor of the third Reich in some capacity, quite possible quite massively
I believe the Czechs would be able to grab alliances mid war if they hold out long enough like Poland, France, Romania, and Yugoslavia
No, it would have been the opposite. Czechoslovakia already had France and the Soviet Union as allies - it was the UK that had a mutual alliance with France that convinced France to drop Czechoslovakia. Czechoslovakia literally accepted the Munich agreement, because the UK and France told it they would consider Czechoslovakia and not Germany the aggressor in the War. The Soviet Union could not help because it needed Poland's permission to cross their territory, which Poland would have never agreed to (especially seeing what happened to the Baltic states).
Czechoslovakia was also already previously allied with Yugoslavia and Romania - that Alliance had collapsed in 1933-1934 due to Yugoslavia and Romania's competing interests.
Poland hated Czechoslovakia at this time - When Germany occupied the Sudetenland, Poland joined in and occupied some territory it wanted as well.
Nazi Germany invading Czechoslovakia would be like Kevin Home Alone on steroids.
Lore of What if Czechoslovakia Rejected the Munich Agreement? Momentum 100
what would´ve happened if Benes woke up that morning and just said: fuck this shit, screw the agreement, we´re gonna fight those nazis!
afterall, if the Czechoslovakia wasn´t even present at the conference, why even bother accepting?
What if Crassus conquered Persia
This is a good Video but i disagree with a few things. While the people in the Oster conspiracy were no Nazis they were also no Democrats. I dont think Adenauer would have come to Power it would have probably been a similar situation like in Italy. Were we had a monarch in the Background while a dictatorship ruled the country.
What if the First French Republic survived?
I think there was too much time spent on the introduction, especially if we are just making a timeline where Czechoslovakia doesn't give the Sudetenland to Germany.
Leon Blum was not prime minister in that time and Édouard Daladier was never president
The second roar roar roar
That wasn't even an option.
Why would Italy's regime fall? Italy was very sympathetic to Czechoslovakia, being one of the main powers to push for its creation after ww1, also by now Italy is still the middle man of europe so they wouldn't side with germany
"Italy was very sympathetic to Czechoslovakia," That is just blatantly false. Italy literally was one of the countries that organized the Munich agreement. They were quite literally on Germany's side: they were a member of the Axis since 1936. Mussolini himself, in his speech in Trieste the week before the signing said "If there are two camps, for and against Prague, let it be known that Italy has chosen its side" - His side was Germany.
Well italy as political entity wasn't "pro Czech" but Mussolini had connection to czech history, he for example wrote book about Jan Hus and even get order of white lion by czechoslovak government, if they wasn't influenced by Nazi Germany, it's most likely they wouldn't take much action against czechoslovakia@@serebii666
Poland might declare war on Germany to get silesia if Germany fail too much to avance against CS, maybe. I don't know...
What if Austria Hungary was partitioned in 1914 by all there neighbours
Open a history book
Would we be forced to give up sudeteland like finns gave up karelija? czechoslovakia alone wouldnt withstand germany for months, also at munich it was agreed that czechs would be seen as aggressors if they resisted, thanks allies
Czechoslovakia would keep the Sudetenland and would win, due to a coup in Germany, removing Hitler from charge.
@@rewriting-history Convenient
i really wish we defended ourselves.
Maybe you should have not oppressed Germans that harshly and let them vote to be independent or join Germany under international law
You put czech Budějovice wrong
I have no idea what i should comment
No need to comment anything, but I hope you liked the scenario!
Just one thing, bialystok was given to the russians
What if Bulgaria captured Constantinople?
What if Japan stayed neutral in the first world war
And instead expending into china when the European Powers weren't looking
You don’t seem to understand… the Sudetenland isn’t yours to conquer…
Romania never fucking helped to destroy yugoslavia, and also, what the fuck is that map from the 13 th century without wallachia and moldavia?
I liked this scenario but the idea that this defeat would cause all fascist states to collapse seems pretty ridiculous to me
sadly our government was weak and they didnt want war
why does bro keep making half the video on context 😭
Friend, you exaggerated too much, especially in Spain. The war in 38 was already determined as a Victoria de Franco for events such as the Take of the Alcazar de Toledo or the Battle of the Ebro
On the other hand, in Italy there would be no reason for an absolute monarchy, since 1848 the Savoia with the "Albertino statute" are a monarchy of Liberal Indole. Not to mention that in Italy fascism was already accentuated in the cultural, that revolution does not make historical sense
I reside to Hungary I don't think people have forgotten Trianon
I do not say that the video is bad but incoherent when judging authoritarian nations
Yeah, too many convenient political changes.
I think the other nationalist goverments/movments in europe wouldnt fall if it happened
The most unrealistic thing about this video is Mihály Károlyi becoming the Hungarian president. Even today we view him as an absolute incompetent moron. Someone like István Bethlen or Pál Teleki would be more realistic