What if the Hungarian Soviet Republic of 1919 Survived?
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- čas přidán 15. 06. 2024
- The Hungarian Soviet Republic existed for 133 days in 1919, but got invaded by all their neighbors, with a kingdom being established in the nation. Sadly, when Hungary got defeated, the flag also changed from one of the most creative designs, to the Hungarian Tricolor. After Hungary’s attempt at communism, they became communist once again in 30 years later, after the Second World War ended.
What would change if Hungary managed to remain communist in 1919, how would that change the Second World War, let’s find out?
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00:00 - Video Intro
00:31 - Europe after WW1
01:36 - The rise of Socialism in Hungary
03:57 - Romanian-Hungarian War
04:30 - Hungary's blunder in Slovakia
05:35 - The Entente invades Hungary
06:52 - Alternate Hungarian Soviet Republic
07:32 - Realistic Option
08:00 - Hungary Annexes Slovakia
09:41 - Alternate Romanian-Hungarian War
10:40 - Alternate World War 2
12:30 - The Communists join the War
14:22 - Peace Treaty
15:17 - Video Outro
Personally I think the Entente would probably treat Germany a bit differently if they see how easily a country like Russia and now Hungary with Soviet aid (under Trotski) fell to an extreme ideology like Communism and might be more lineant with Germany to have a Bullwark against the Soviet Union
This happened after the trety of versailles
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Hungary Mentioned 🇭🇺
Bro the whole video is about Hungary lol
Magyarország !!!!
Hungary Bulgarije mongol Turkish Brothers of the steps
Very hungry. /s
@@rewriting-historybad April Fools idea, make a video (like what if the ottomans were on the entante ) but don't change ANYTHING just have it be a regular documentary about the war of 1812 oh yeah and change the war
I remember having a dream that Romania Yugoslavia and czechslovakia accepted a straight line border for Hungary, the map was the ugliest thing I’ve ever seen
Lol I know what you're talking about, nice
@@rewriting-history you forgot about the Stalin's forced industrialization
@@rewriting-history On 31 October 1918, in the midst of armistice negotiations, the Aster Revolution in Budapest brought the liberal Károlyi, a supporter of the Allies, to power. On the 1st of November, Mihály Károlyi's new Hungarian government decided to recall all of the troops, who were conscripted from the territory of Kingdom of Hungary, which was a major blow for the Habsburg's armies.[37] King Charles had no other option than the appointment of Károlyi as prime minister of Hungary. The Hungarian Royal Honvéd army still had more than 1,400,000 soldiers[38][39] when Károlyi was announced as prime minister. Károlyi yielded to President Wilson's demand for pacifism by ordering the unilateral self-disarmament of the Hungarian army. This happened under the direction of Minister of War Béla Linder on 2 November 1918[40][41] When Oszkár Jászi became the new Minister for National Minorities of Hungary, he immediately offered democratic referendums about the disputed borders for minorities; however, the political leaders of those minorities refused the very idea of democratic referendums regarding disputed territories at the Paris peace conference.[42] Disarmament of its army meant that Hungary was to remain without a national defence at a time of particular vulnerability. The unilateral self-disarmament made the occupation of Hungary directly possible for the relatively small armies of Romania, the Franco-Serbian army, and the armed forces of the newly established Czechoslovakia.[43][44][45][46] After self-disarmament, Czech, Serbian, and Romanian political leaders chose to attack Hungary instead of holding democratic plebiscites concerning the disputed areas.[47]
On the request of the Austro-Hungarian government, an armistice was granted to Austria-Hungary on 3 November 1918 by the Allies.[48] Military and political events changed rapidly and drastically after the Hungarian unilateral disarmament:
On 5 November 1918, the Serbian army, with the help of the French army, crossed the southern borders.
On 8 November, the Czechoslovak army crossed the northern borders.
On 10 November d'Espérey's army crossed the Danube River and was poised to enter the Hungarian heartland.
On 11 November Germany signed an armistice with Allies, under which they had to immediately withdraw all German troops in Romania and in the Ottoman Empire, the Austro-Hungarian Empire and the Russian Empire back to German territory and Allies to have access to these countries.[49]
On 13 November, the Romanian army crossed the eastern borders of the Kingdom of Hungary.
During the rule of Károlyi's pacifist cabinet, Hungary rapidly lost control over approximately 75% of its former pre-WWI territories (325,411 km2 (125,642 sq mi)) without a fight and was subject to foreign occupation.[50]
HOLY MOLY. Thanks for doing this scenario, RW! This is literaly my dream for this scenario to be made by you!🙏🙏
I appreciate that you liked both the topic and the implementation of the video!
How did you comment before the video came out what?
@@jeffthebovine4158 Hacking
@@jeffthebovine4158 damn bro wtf
@@rewriting-historythank you bro I wanted this video so much
Suggestion: what if prussia lost the Franco-Prussian war. I think that political instability would stop any unification in Germany and prussia would now face a French and Austrian alliance
I made that video
*VIDEO SUGGESTIONS:*
1. What if The Soviets had won The Polish - Soviet War?
2. What if Poland had won The Polish - Soviet War, but even harder than they did in our timeline?
3. What if The Reds had won The Finnish Civil War?
1:Poland would probably be annexed as Soviets wanted to restore the borders of the Russian empire.
2: The others states would be recreated (UPR, Belarus, etc) and Intermarium would succeed
3: Finland would either be a protectorate or annexed by the USSR.
Love Hungary from Turkey ❤
🇹🇷❤️🇭🇺
Nice alernative scenario. Love to our hungarian brothers 🇵🇱❤️🇭🇺
Appreciate it, glad you liked the video!
Also, love to Poland from Bulgaria! I love the Polish people, as in this video, their nation was completely destroyed and annexed, and still they leave good comments. This can be seen in many of my videos!
@@rewriting-history :) Thank you 🇵🇱❤️🇧🇬
Video idea: What if unification of Romania and Hungary was succesfull in 1919.
Also you deserve better bro, keep it up with the good work!❤
Thanks for the idea! I will do it this month maybe, so expect a video on that very soon!
Like Romania would add anything plus for culture and science lmao
*Hungarian soviet republic succeeds*
Romania czechoslovakia & yugoslavia: nooooooo you can't do that😨😰😭😱
Hungarian soviet republic:🗿
Yeah! Need to start adding similar memes to my videos, it would make it better!
Then 1956 hits Hungary
@@theli3x Not really. The first hungarian soviet republic was less cruel than the 2nd one under Rákosi.
Thats what I meant
@@theli3x 1st Soviet Republic of Hungary was quite good, actually. Without Stalin, the USSR and Hungary (in this universe aswell) would've had a brighter future.
On 31 October 1918, in the midst of armistice negotiations, the Aster Revolution in Budapest brought the liberal Károlyi, a supporter of the Allies, to power. On the 1st of November, Mihály Károlyi's new Hungarian government decided to recall all of the troops, who were conscripted from the territory of Kingdom of Hungary, which was a major blow for the Habsburg's armies.[37] King Charles had no other option than the appointment of Károlyi as prime minister of Hungary. The Hungarian Royal Honvéd army still had more than 1,400,000 soldiers[38][39] when Károlyi was announced as prime minister. Károlyi yielded to President Wilson's demand for pacifism by ordering the unilateral self-disarmament of the Hungarian army. This happened under the direction of Minister of War Béla Linder on 2 November 1918[40][41] When Oszkár Jászi became the new Minister for National Minorities of Hungary, he immediately offered democratic referendums about the disputed borders for minorities; however, the political leaders of those minorities refused the very idea of democratic referendums regarding disputed territories at the Paris peace conference.[42] Disarmament of its army meant that Hungary was to remain without a national defence at a time of particular vulnerability. The unilateral self-disarmament made the occupation of Hungary directly possible for the relatively small armies of Romania, the Franco-Serbian army, and the armed forces of the newly established Czechoslovakia.[43][44][45][46] After self-disarmament, Czech, Serbian, and Romanian political leaders chose to attack Hungary instead of holding democratic plebiscites concerning the disputed areas.[47]
On the request of the Austro-Hungarian government, an armistice was granted to Austria-Hungary on 3 November 1918 by the Allies.[48] Military and political events changed rapidly and drastically after the Hungarian unilateral disarmament:
On 5 November 1918, the Serbian army, with the help of the French army, crossed the southern borders.
On 8 November, the Czechoslovak army crossed the northern borders.
On 10 November d'Espérey's army crossed the Danube River and was poised to enter the Hungarian heartland.
On 11 November Germany signed an armistice with Allies, under which they had to immediately withdraw all German troops in Romania and in the Ottoman Empire, the Austro-Hungarian Empire and the Russian Empire back to German territory and Allies to have access to these countries.[49]
On 13 November, the Romanian army crossed the eastern borders of the Kingdom of Hungary.
During the rule of Károlyi's pacifist cabinet, Hungary rapidly lost control over approximately 75% of its former pre-WWI territories (325,411 km2 (125,642 sq mi)) without a fight and was subject to foreign occupation.[50]
I feel bad for Hungary. They didn't want a WW1, yet they had territories ripped away from them that they controlled since 900 or so.
Hungary certainly didn't exist in the borders they claim for over 1000 years. The conquest of the Pannonian and Transylvanian basins ended fairly late, somewhere in the 13th century when the Teutonic Knights were invited to expand the borders inside Transylvania. Then in 1526, Hungary was conquered by the Ottoman empire and stopped existing as a geopolitical entity until the 19th century, when the Hungarians revolted against the Austrians in 1848, which unfortunately failed and were put again under Austrian rule for 70 more years.
@@999mi999 Fortunatelly, major encyclopedias (E. Britannica, German Brockhaus French Larousse E. Americana) do not support your nationalist fantasy. Hungarians were in Transylvania since the 10th century. Learn: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Transylvania#Hungarians
Your ridiculous fantasy that the Hungarian state ceased to exist after Mohács is a simple lie. Learn about the Hungarian state between 1526 and 1849 here (Hungary did not even became part of Austria until 1849) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austro-Hungarian_Compromise_of_1867#1526%E2%80%931848
I don't.
@@999mi999 Hungary certainly DID exist within the borders we claim for over a 1000 years. The various administrative changes enacted on our territories by foreign invaders don't count. The 1000 years old Hungarian lands all belong to Hungary. Our Revisionism will not stop until all of Hungary is ours again! Hungary will resurrect, we will MAKE HUNGARY GREAT AGAIN! The unjust borders of the Trianon Treaty will never be accepted: NO, NO, NEVER!
@@999mi999 But it DID exist. Study history.
Make a part two of this video. It would be interesting how the operation "unthinkable" works in this timeline
I think that I should make a video just about operation unthinkable and refer back to this video. The borders are similar here, so it could work as a follow up/part 2
@@rewriting-history but still, I want to see how a Trotskyist Soviet Union fairs compared to the historical Stalinist Soviet Union in this two very similar scenarios
@@rewriting-history This operation unthinkable would be more interesting since nukes wasn't used and no one experienced how destructive it could be
>Germany somehow being allowed to keep its newly annexed Lands
Genuinely curious as to how plausible this is
Well if it was a puppet of the Soviets maybe so, also in this universe technically the Soviets would be invading the Germans, and the war ends faster meaning two things, waaaay less Soviets die, and less people are affected because scorched earth isn’t used
Love your content! Keep it up❤❤❤
Thank you so much!! I am creating so much videos I cannot even keep track of it!
You are the best alternative history channel because you'r content is professionally made and second because you are Bulgarian
I must say, really enjoy the quality of your videos lately! Personally, the constant meme GIFS u used to put in ur older videos were a bit meh. These are so much better! Keep it up
Glad you like them! Will keep it up!
What If Novogorod Unified Russia
YO IT'S YAZOV THE GAMER
I really want to see part 2 to this
I really liked this one, so I might do part 2 on something similar
10:28 Uhm, what did you mean about Romania capitulating twice in the Great War? There was the Peace Treaty of Bucharest in May 1918 which was the actual capitulation - if you mean the armistice of Focsani in December 1917, that was just the precursor to the peace treaty (it took so long between armistice and capitulation because... you know... balkan spirit and all that, delay everything for as long as possible)
In this scenario they capitulated twice, first the one you mentioned and the second to the communist alliance.
@@user-uh2lp4jk6o Oh right, my bad, lost track of the scenario conditions
they didnt capilutated a single time ...they started to nogociete a peace with central power in moldova but they advance stoped there and theyr king never signed anything @@user-uh2lp4jk6o
In the Great war Romania didn't capitulated twice. You should learn some history. The Treaty from Bucharest was not accepted by the Romanian king. And, also, just southern Romania was occupied. So, you should learn some history. And, at that time, there was no war between Romania and some comunist state. So, no double capitulation in WW I from Romania. The alliance with USSR was in WW II. So you should study more. 😉 This is adressed to the video creator.
Great Video!
Thanks! Really appreciate it!
very interesting scenario, certainly would shake things up a lot
The second scenario you included is actually a lot like what happened between Greece and Turkey. But irl Greece didn't become ultranationalist, because the nationalist royalists had betrayed the Anatolians
Good video, I'ma sub
This makes me curious about a alt-hist in which the turkish war of Independence was replaced with a austrian war of Independence, or just in general a timeline in which austria managed to maintain the borders it claimed in 1918.
Nice video
i'm watching this while eating sugar-free chocolate chip cookies rn (don't ask why i tell you what i eat when i do so while watching your videos, like for example i had chocolate pudding while watching your monaco video)
anyway great video!
Love that comment! Glad you liked the video!
@@rewriting-history thank you! and yeah, keep it up with the great work!
Idea of a new video. What would have happened if, after the Aurelian withdrawal from Dacia Daco-Romans (Romanians), they had created a state that would have included Roman Dacia and Dacian territories not included in the Roman Empire.
"Daco-Romans (Romanians)" 😂😂😂😂
@@Tovalokodonc What's so funny bozgor son?
@@burandaniel1919 "Bozgor son" we're not the ones fabricating fairytales to validate our existance
@@Tovalokodonc 😂Hear fairy tales! Fairy tales are your reasons for saying that Transylvania is Hungary. The fact that Romanians are descended from Dacians and Romans is true. I know that some Romanians tell fairy tales about tunnels under the Carpathians that lead to Adolf on the feast and that Jesus Christ It was Dacian, these two things are false. But the fact that Dacians and Romans are the ancestors of Romanians, it's true.
We have no idea whether those Romans from Dacia even existed after the withdrawal. The first two Proto-Romanian words are mentioned in Moesia in 587 and 814 AD by Theophylactus and Theophanes. And even _if_ those Romans were there, there's no likely scenario that they would have made their own state especially one that would have incorporated "Dacian land's" which in their case was Barbaric, not Roman.
I know this video will be great!
Judging by your profile picture's flag, I'm unsure if you will think that! :D
Well as long as they don’t take Slovakia! But still I know it will be good anyway. :D
They will , don’t make your dreams…
Thanks - köszi .
Blessed scenario, Greece at least got Northern Epirus
very cool
but i think the ww2 was a bit too much like our timeline
i think having Trotsky as the leader of soviet union would be very different than our timeline soviet union
it would be great if you made a video about that
nice vid
Glad you liked it!
Estaría genial tener subtítulos en español.
also W upload schedule
Oh yeah, I'm just getting started, this is the bare minimum you should expect from me!
@@rewriting-history don't push yourself too hard man, it's already amazing as is, a bird in the hand is better than two in the bush.
@@prime2357 Dont worry, I really enjoy and love what I do. It's my pleasure to make so much videos, trust me!
So basically if Trotsky actually coming in power, even earlier than expected (still great video)
What if the French and British Empires collapsed during World war one
What if the Netherlands kept control over the south Belguim and Luxembourg
They would go communist especially if the USA stay out if the war. And the USA would annex Canada give Quebec independence. Ireland would get independence. India also get independence. And most of the British French empire may just fall under the USA influence to remain stable.
Erm akshually🤓🤓👆👆
If the Soviets manage to almost capture berlin early the Allies would attempt to panicly invade Normandy which will result in a failure causing al of Germany and the Benelux to be Communist. Also since the war is shorter in Japan the Soviets would have more time to defeat the Japanese army causing a fully united Communist Korea
Good point, I really like this, should have thought a bit more about this, and add it to the video.
@@rewriting-history do you think soviets would win cold war because of this? i think they have a better chance because they have more industrialized land but I would like your opinion
Can you please do one if the Paris Commune succeeded in creating a Communist France in 1871?
As a Dane i see this as an absolute win
Hungary: come to daddy
Czech and Romania:NO WAY
suggestion, what if the 13 Colonies managed to win the battle of Quebec in 1775 during the american revolution, would canada be apart of the US or would it stay separate, would the US manage to become even stronger then modern day?
1:53 RW is wild for that 💀
You earned a subscriber
They had a lot of vanilla ice cream, which they gave for food tickets
Butterfly effect. I doubt things would go down exactly the same with Germany for the same reason Trotsky came to power instead of Stalin. In fact, I don't think Leon would have been as friendly with Adolf. Probably no Molotov Riptoven pact.
FINALLY a youtuber that DOESN’T screw up the East Thrace border of the Ottoman Empire during WW1
I don't believe Bulgaria would side with Yugoslavia. They had much more problems with the Greeks and Yugoslavs
I honestly think that this is one of the most likely scenarios for a Soviet victory since at the end of the war, even if the Americans joined the allies, the Soviets would be able to conquer all of Europe and with Trotsky not being able to, perhaps they would try to expand militarily into India and Africa with In the end, the Soviets took all of Eurasia and Africa while the Americans created an alliance with all of America and the United Kingdom
What if the Roman empire build the suez kanaal
What if the ottomans won the Battle of Ankara and conquered the timurid empire and Afghanistan
Fun fact: Rome technically did own the Suez. At the time, it was called the Canal of the Pharaoh's or something similar, I can't remember it's namd
Now all i wonder is wouldnt Yugoslavia, Bulgaria and greece allied with the soviets over the allies in this scenario?
the perfect scenario ❤❤❤
Based Hungarian
What if King Mihai was able to maintain a unified Romania in 1600?
Thank you for finally make this scenarios! I am a hungarian and i thought so many times about this scenario!
very good yes
Romania in 1990 be like: Romanian Black League is created.
GREAT TRIAL AWAITS...
hahaha would love to see a mod like that
As a Pole, i love your videos. However, my nation being an allied power and getting annexed by USSR and the agressor really makes me devious
Plz make a video on what if the Jewish rebellion against the Roman’s succeeded and the Jewish Kingdom was restored and survived to modern day
It Would be Awesome if they Added a Mod Like this on HOI4!
That Show How BRILLIANT this Scenario is!
MANN BRO FINALLY USED a suggestion 3 of us may of had Hungarian COMMUNISTS MAKES ME gig LETZ GO HUNGARIAN SOVIetttt
Wait, so in an alternate scenario we could have a romanian hungary?
Wait, does the great purge still happen in this timeline?
prob not
woo 45 minutes!
Learned from the turkish mistake, now atleast acknowledging what the *literal topic of the video* would be doing.
However, you really just want to play around with a trotsky and a really strong soviet union. Also, that little mention of Japan happening as you said, would make much different korean borders (because of the much stronger communists).
But for how little the allies did, they probably wouldn't be given that Rhineland germany thingie you didn't talk about.
Look, I'm not trying to be an asshole, pointing out every little stupid detail but those said little details are kinda the point of alt history, no?
I appreciate this comment and getting better. I do agree with you, except the allies not getting the Rhineland. It's true that they didn't do anything, but the balance of power needs to be preserved. This should avoid a conflict between both sides, which I think they would want, at least initially.
What if the ottomans build the suez Chanel
What if the Portuguese Spanish Union was not dissolved by the British and Portuguese
What if the Riechsreform succeeded in the HRE
oh hell yes babyyyyyy
The video quickly becomes one of my favourites for sure!
There is a historical innacuraccy within the video. The Soviet Union and the Comintern recognized Macedonians as a sepreate ethnicity from both Serbs and Bulgarians, meaning they wouldnt give them to either and would support a Yugoslav federation with Bulgaria invovled. Meaning Bulgaria would be on the side of the Axis not Comintern
Good CZcams video. video idea: What if in the american civil war the CSA wins and try's to invade Mexico and central america and the Caribbean. weird idea but i like it
Glad you liked the video! Your idea is cool, I would make something similar soon!
here's a little video idea what if the Lusitania sinking brought America into the first world war?
As a romanian living in Transilvania i would take my life if this timeline was real
and ?
It wasn't soviet union yet. Soviet Union start existing in 1924, this was Russian SSR
2k like ❤️
bro has beef with stalin 💀
What if the 1848 Hungarian Revolution succeeded?
why u made live so advanced ? when i mean that why u put it 2 day before actually apears
I was debating on if I should even make it a premiere or just drop it out of nowhere. I just decided to upload it then and scheduled it
What if Austria Hungary was partitioned in 1914 by all there neighbors
What if siam joined the central powers
I don’t think that the Axis would do that badly in WW2 considering that their technology was superior and their ability to completely neutralise the Soviet Air Force. They wouldn’t push to Moscow but most likely would be able to reach Riga and or Kiev if they’re lucky. Kiev is a stretch but you get the idea. Great video though!
I respectfully disagree. German technological superiority over USSR wasn't that overwhelming even in our time line. But tactical, operational and doctrinal experience was overwhelmingly superior in actual time line. But with Great Purge and Holodomor off the table, Red Army would keep its best officers and commanders. And under Trotzky, political commesars won't get that much power as under Stalin. So, IMO, Red Army would act more coherent ans sharply in opening stages of WW2.
@@CipiRipi-in7df It was somewhat overwhelming on a smaller scale being out manoeuvred due to radios and no air support due to much superior air technology. Overall though, i wouldn’t have called it overwhelming or a major reason of German success in 1941.
Rewriting History, ¿Why did The Ottoman Didnt Join The Seven Years War?
But would Hungary be less of a problem country today if this had played out? That's the question.
Let's go! We finally got Macedonia!
What if the HRE didn't dissolve in 1806
Lore of What if the Hungarian Soviet Republic of 1919 Survived? Momentum 100
What if 🇧🇬🇷🇴🇦🇱and yugoslavia united after WW1 into the federativne states of the balkans transylvania moldova walachia Serbia Croatia Slovenia Bulgaria albania and Macedonia . bosnia in croatia Montenegro in Serbia Kosovo in albania
what if crassus conquered persia
What of Italy was as competent as germany
What if Bulgaria became communist in 1923?
2:23 that is not Hungary
Wait is it a part of SSSR because of soviet
Not part of the ussr, this is how it was called
I just rewached this video and at the ending map I think you made two mistakes and those are Bulgaria and Yugoslavia because Bulgaria loved soviets and Yugoslavia woud be toppeld buy Hungarian communist and Tito.
What if the Soviets used nuclear weapons in the Hungarian revolution of 1956?
.. they wouldn’t have. that is unrealistic to the max
9:16 not holodomor but just the great famine (it’s more correct and more neutral)
It was orchestrated and exploited by Stalin. It was not neutral
Bro doesn’t really know much about Trotsky tbh
Yooo finally hungary
wait what about Tito and the Partisans
Didn't I saw in the video that they also succeed, and ally with the USSR?
@@rewriting-history no Yugoslavia remained a monarchy at the end of the video
@@surge1229 my mistake then, I should have made them communist. In another video I'm working on they become communist. I messed up the scenario, by confusing the two. Next time I will do better and not make such mistakes
@@rewriting-history its okay man
Jesus Christ, what an accent!
Bulgarian accent, my friend :)
@@rewriting-history разбирам, но това е просто нещо странно. Опитай се малко да го овладееш, защото не ти се разбира.
I knew it
Noooo america, noooo UK......
Comment for algorithm
Sounds like that one hoi4 mod
Which one?
yea which one
which one?
@@rewriting-history It's called Red Hungary
@sandorbalogh6533 is right
Poland :(
Nahhhh România would not invade Serbia, we never did dirty to one another.