What if the Soviet Union defended Poland in WW2?

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  • čas přidán 20. 06. 2024
  • At the start of the Second World War, Poland was promised protection by the Allies of France and Britain, against German aggression. When Germany invaded Poland on the 1st of September 1939, the Allies declared war, but didn’t do anything on the frontlines.
    Poland felt betrayed by their allies, and with the Soviet Union also invading them, the Polish nation disappeared from the map for the next 6 years.
    But what if all of that changed, and Poland allied with the Soviet Union? This would prevent a possible Soviet invasion, but most importantly, the Red Army defend Poland against the Germans! Would this Polish-Soviet Alliance change the outcome of the Second World War, and how would it form in the first place? Let’s find out!
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    00:00 - Video Intro
    00:39 - Polish-Soviet War
    02:33 - Poland in the Great Depression
    05:00 - How could Poland ally with the USSR?
    07:42 - Poland in the Communist Sphere
    09:07 - Start of WW2
    09:55 - Britain Surrenders
    10:58 - Scramble for the Balkans
    13:00 - The USSR joins the war!
    14:17 - Britain joins the War again!
    16:42 - Peace Treaty
    18:42 - Stalin doesn't have allies
    19:11 - Video Outro

Komentáře • 208

  • @PakBallandSami
    @PakBallandSami Před 5 měsíci +123

    Germany: invades poland
    Poland: oh sh*t iam all alone
    Ussr: i will save you poland
    Germany: what
    UK: what
    France: what
    Poland: what
    Ussr: what

  • @robertalaverdov8147
    @robertalaverdov8147 Před 5 měsíci +102

    How did Germany get to Greece before they took care of Yugoslavia or without access from Bulgaria? Logistics is a thing, in reality Germany needed to move troops through Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria and Yugoslavia to get to Greece. Even without the British navy German merchant fleet wouldn't be able to support Italy via the limited Albanian ports alone.

    • @rewriting-history
      @rewriting-history  Před 5 měsíci +46

      I agree with you and I'm aware that I just skipped over this part, I just didn't want to spend too much time on it, since the video doesn't revolve around this scenario. My bad here

    • @robertalaverdov8147
      @robertalaverdov8147 Před 5 měsíci +26

      @@rewriting-history Ok well as long as you agree that its silly I'll allow it as German plot armor.

    • @letlnee
      @letlnee Před 5 měsíci +1

      ​@@rewriting-historyпо акцентът ти знаех че си Българин

    • @KedAR_48
      @KedAR_48 Před 5 měsíci +2

      True, maybe if invasion of Yugoslavia happened (similiar to out timeline) first 🤔

  • @marcusappelberg369
    @marcusappelberg369 Před 5 měsíci +31

    The Soviets suggested sending one million men to fight Germany in 1939, acording to the Soviet Archives, but France and Britain thought the SU were not commited enough, and Poland refused SU troops on Polish soil.

    • @rewriting-history
      @rewriting-history  Před 5 měsíci +13

      This is the historical path, but what I came up with can alter this data, make it useless for this scenario. Even I would say that in case of the USSR allying with Poland, it would work in Poland's favor.

    • @marcusappelberg369
      @marcusappelberg369 Před 5 měsíci +5

      Yes, your video was a lot more realistic, since the historical Polish government wouldn't have allowed soviet troops. ​@@rewriting-history

    • @user-ig7gf3qt8j
      @user-ig7gf3qt8j Před 5 měsíci

      Got any proof?

    • @q3eq3eq65
      @q3eq3eq65 Před 5 měsíci +6

      Their true intention was to get their troops on polish soil and stay there forever😂

    • @marcusappelberg369
      @marcusappelberg369 Před 5 měsíci

      Well, that happened anyway, kind of. :p @@q3eq3eq65

  • @shez_rebellion
    @shez_rebellion Před 5 měsíci +39

    - So, we've been enemies for all our history, right?
    - Right.
    - You tried to install puppet government in my country during our bad times without a ruler, right?
    - Right.
    - I took a part of the country and made you a part of my empire, right?
    - Right.
    - You've attacked us and took parts of western Belarus and western Ukraine, right?
    - Right.
    - Want me to defend you aginst the Germany?
    - Bro...

  • @romle4816
    @romle4816 Před 5 měsíci +40

    I love how you use memes in your thumbnail

  • @widmo10
    @widmo10 Před 5 měsíci +8

    it has some realism, but one thing is certain later, or rather during the war, that the Polish government would become much more communist and then probably ask for the "eternal protection of the Soviet Union"

    • @rewriting-history
      @rewriting-history  Před 5 měsíci +1

      Most likely, there would still be free elections, but communist parties would dominate Polish Politics.

    • @widmo10
      @widmo10 Před 5 měsíci +2

      no, or maybe there would be "free elections" with the only right party like in North Korea and at most Poland would have its own communist path like e.g. Yugoslavia, China@@rewriting-history

  • @DukeofDenmark2
    @DukeofDenmark2 Před 5 měsíci +23

    Did you know the Mayor of a small town out side of Poznan, asked the Germans if they could let him flee’ to Britain in 1940. The Germans simply responded: “Yes, if you run around The Streets of Warsaw naked, screaming *Im a small kid that has just shit my own pants! Someone give me towel.* After that he should drink 15 liters of sewer water. And throw up. He ended up rejecting The offer. But asked in 1941 if the offer still was available, but the Germans sadly said no.

  • @greeneanimations3660
    @greeneanimations3660 Před 5 měsíci +6

    This scenario is sequel worthy! Great video, keep it up, friend!

    • @rewriting-history
      @rewriting-history  Před 5 měsíci +1

      Thanks! Will do, friend!

    • @isaacdavis7979
      @isaacdavis7979 Před 23 dny

      Could you do one UK 🇬🇧 and France helped Finland against the Soviet Union ?​@@rewriting-history

  • @ILikeMoney295
    @ILikeMoney295 Před 5 měsíci +5

    Great video , my fellow southern neighbour!(I'm from Romania)

    • @rewriting-history
      @rewriting-history  Před 5 měsíci +1

      Hello there! Glad you liked it, greetings from Bulgaria! :)

  • @zayedbinimran957
    @zayedbinimran957 Před 5 měsíci +3

    Thank you for this video!

  • @bartdr5146
    @bartdr5146 Před 5 měsíci +31

    I mostly agree with your scenario however there are some changes that I would make:
    1. Britian would probably not sign a peace deal because they would predict the breakdown of Soviet-German relations at some point
    2. Polish borders would definitely change much more after the war, I expect that most of East would be lost just like in reality (except Wilno and Lwów, since Poland was allied with the Soviets from the beginning), and in return, Poland would probably be granted Silesia, Pomerania and East Prussia. Because Poland now controls Koningsberg there is no need for them to annex Stettin and as a result Poland's border remains entirely east of Oder).

    • @rewriting-history
      @rewriting-history  Před 5 měsíci +2

      Britain wouldn't sign a peace deal, but Edward Halifax would I feel like. Them entering the war again I feel like is more unrealistic than the part where they exit. As for the Polish borders, I agree, but in my previous videos, I have made many people angry with my peace treaties, so I just didn't do something too drastic.

    • @widmo10
      @widmo10 Před 5 měsíci +1

      I have a question about the connection between the possible non-annexation of Szczytny and the possible annexation of Königsberg. or maybe I understand that it's about a larger coast and if you already have Königsberg, the coast is bigger and you don't need to have more of it, but ultimately, if you want to transport something from Silesia, it's better to go to Szczecin than to Gdańsk/Gdynia and to your point, if Poland was still to some extent independent after that, then (the question is what exactly would happen to Germany) it would want a border on the Oder because, firstly, it is further from Warsaw, secondly, the Oder would be a possible line of defense and the river is a good obstacle (if you are a defender)

    • @widmo10
      @widmo10 Před 5 měsíci +1

      ​@@rewriting-historyan idea for an episode of what if Poland and France intervened in Germany when Hitler came to power, this is based on the fact that Piłsudski immediately felt Hitler stunk and somehow in 1933 or 1934 he made such plans, but the French also ultimately behaved like native French (here you can consider the intervention of Poland itself and the second option of Poland and France)

    • @bartdr5146
      @bartdr5146 Před 5 měsíci

      @@widmo10 originally Poland was supposed to get Koningsberg after WW2 but Stalin wanted part of Germany for himself and offered Szczecin in exchange, that's why in scenario where Poland gets Koninsberg they dont get szczecin

    • @widmo10
      @widmo10 Před 5 měsíci

      don't forget that quite a large part of the east was taken from Poland and that Russia in the 18th or early 19th century wanted to conquer this region (check the "miracle of the House of Brandenburg" or something like that, but in short, the Russian ruler died and the new ruler ordered to withdraw) and also that The area around Szczecin was occupied by Poland and the Polish population at the beginning of the existence of this country@@bartdr5146

  • @The-tank-engine
    @The-tank-engine Před 5 měsíci +5

    Sorry for missing the vid , I’m about to watch it , though I mean you uploaded it so it has to be fire 🔥🔥🔥

  • @X_Mapping
    @X_Mapping Před 5 měsíci +1

    Nice video 😊

  • @Niltenstein
    @Niltenstein Před 5 měsíci +3

    I like your videos, and your accent is fine, i can still understand what you‘re saying, but some subtitles would really help. Maybe consider adding those. Other than that good video 👍🏻

  • @user-kt8yp5ho2y
    @user-kt8yp5ho2y Před 5 měsíci +11

    For the next video about Poland, I want to see What if the 1938 Polish ultimatum to Lithuania caused WW2. :) 😄

    • @rewriting-history
      @rewriting-history  Před 5 měsíci +7

      You have suggested it before and I saved the idea, the time will come

    • @isaacdavis7979
      @isaacdavis7979 Před 23 dny

      ​@@rewriting-historyCould you do if in Ww2 The Weimar Republic came back and had a Civil War with Nazi Germany please do a Video about it ?

  • @radored7750
    @radored7750 Před 5 měsíci +2

    Great video

  • @danielsantiagourtado3430
    @danielsantiagourtado3430 Před 5 měsíci +5

    Love your content 😊😊😊😊

  • @Polish_internet_troll
    @Polish_internet_troll Před 5 měsíci +2

    I see one big issue with this scenario, there is no way eastern Prussia gets occupied that easily, I would rather expect front to stabilize on Vistula river, or even further into commintern territory

  • @Kerguelen.Mapping
    @Kerguelen.Mapping Před 5 měsíci +1

    Nice video

  • @randomguy6152
    @randomguy6152 Před 5 měsíci +3

    what if Crassus conquered Persia along with Publius and the two "Parthicus" were a powerhouse in Rome making a 3 way civil war

  • @whitehawk4099
    @whitehawk4099 Před 5 měsíci +2

    Why did the Germans invade Denmark at all? This isn't very clear in this scenario, and seems to happen entirely out of the blue.
    Historically, the invasions of Denmark and Norway were done to ensure the shipment of Swedish ore for the German war effort.
    Without that impetus, why would the Germans risk British and French involvement for no apparent reason?

  • @mikeratixxd7397
    @mikeratixxd7397 Před 5 měsíci +2

    Basically: What if the Soviet union was smarter:

    • @rewriting-history
      @rewriting-history  Před 5 měsíci +1

      Imagine the USSR worked with each nation they conquered against Germany, instead of scaring them away

    • @mikeratixxd7397
      @mikeratixxd7397 Před 5 měsíci

      @@rewriting-history I know right? Like, they could have worked with their neighbours and probably have more influence over europe instead of trying to conquer it, the issue is that they were communists, and the other nations weren't to keen on working with communists

    • @ciii4361
      @ciii4361 Před 5 měsíci +1

      @@rewriting-historybecause the other nation existed only to be anti-communist as hell or Britain and France would have let Germany exterminate every single one of their inhabitants?
      Russia was part of the Entente, the only reason why the other members after WWI let some states secede from Moskva was to have an anti-communist curtain.
      Soviets could have done everything to collaborate with neighbours against nazism (and , to specify, they didn’t), but little would have changed

  • @tomas.blitzgod
    @tomas.blitzgod Před 2 měsíci

    so good

  • @Counterfactualy_no
    @Counterfactualy_no Před 5 měsíci +1

    I dont see why Romania would join the Soveits especially because the soviets openly wanted Bessarabia from Romania. Also, trench warefare isnt really possible in mountainous terrain

  • @herobrinesblog
    @herobrinesblog Před 5 měsíci

    This reminded me a lot of the spanish civil war, pretty cool!

  • @radkamerad
    @radkamerad Před 18 dny +1

    You remind me of that Turkish alternate history guy who was creating weird scenarios 😂😂😂

  • @Abd121
    @Abd121 Před 5 měsíci +3

    This is just your Hoi4 playthrough isn't it?

  • @Romewasbuildbygreeks
    @Romewasbuildbygreeks Před 5 měsíci +1

    This video will probably be fire.

  • @szymekkusztal3320
    @szymekkusztal3320 Před 5 měsíci

    What program do you use to animate this?

  • @user-kt8yp5ho2y
    @user-kt8yp5ho2y Před 5 měsíci +3

    Today’s video is more wilder and creepy than the previous video. 😨😱

    • @rewriting-history
      @rewriting-history  Před 5 měsíci +2

      I need to make more videos on this topic, people really like it

  • @Sander_van_de_Reep
    @Sander_van_de_Reep Před 5 měsíci +5

    Very interesting video although I do think Memel would be annexed by Poland.

    • @rewriting-history
      @rewriting-history  Před 5 měsíci

      I think Germany would still push for it, like they did historically

    • @extrage3061
      @extrage3061 Před 5 měsíci

      @@rewriting-history he means after the war

  • @tylerinot965
    @tylerinot965 Před 5 měsíci +2

    What if Chen Jiongming's Eastern Expedition suceeded overthrowing Sun Yat-Sen and establishing a Federalist rival Goverment

  • @KedAR_48
    @KedAR_48 Před 5 měsíci +1

    Great work, much improvment in terms of scenario accuracy in regards to the previous Poland alt hist! I could actually believe in this happening, even tough I have my own problems with the video.
    First, how do the inferior, barely-after-purges Red Army is able to do so well? Same with Poland, which just finished civil and would need lots of time to teach its full strength (like Red Army). From what I understand, war lasted until 1946, so this fact would theoretically eliminate this problem. However the Germans, even tough fighting on only one front, with more manpower avaible, against an inferior army, weren't able to make any gains, which makes them worse than combined Italian-Bulgarian-Hungarian forces. Germany would have propably advanced to Vistula, maybe even further, only then be pushed back with Allies joining back for second round.
    Second thing is post-war Poland. I'd say small amounts of clearly Belorussian, Ukrainian territory is ceded to USSR, compenstaed with half of German Silesia and Masuria.
    Other than that (and maybe more dynamic frontlines) really good work.

  • @Mr.MR2111
    @Mr.MR2111 Před měsícem

    9:29 Why does the invasion of the Benelux change. Belguim lasted 18 days, and the Netherlands lasted for a week. I don't understand why does the fact that Belguim lasted longer then the Netherlands change.

  • @Jeff_Reyx
    @Jeff_Reyx Před 5 měsíci +2

    It was impossible, if the Red Army had entered Poland with permission, they would never have left and everyone knows that it would have happened.

    • @rewriting-history
      @rewriting-history  Před 5 měsíci

      I wanted to make a scenario where they occupied their claimed lands, but the problem becomes that the video would be very boring and predictable.

    • @New_Sguy
      @New_Sguy Před 4 měsíci

      Probably better than Being controlled by people with a superiority Fetish aka germany

  • @georgios_5342
    @georgios_5342 Před 4 měsíci +1

    11:39 ok everything else made sense, but this? How??? Greece defended by itself against the Italians and even pushed deep into the south of Albania

    • @New_Sguy
      @New_Sguy Před 4 měsíci

      I guess they ran out of ammo?

  • @Catoslouco
    @Catoslouco Před 5 měsíci +6

    it was pretty realistic at some points, but the comunist in Greece, is something really weird because, the Americans, probably, wouldn't accept that much influence of the reds on the mediterranean, and also, could cause really high tensions with the turks that could excalate to a war between the allies and the comunist, otherwise great video

    • @rewriting-history
      @rewriting-history  Před 5 měsíci +1

      Appreciate it, I am getting better. In our timeline, the Soviets didn't send anything to the Greek Communists, because Stalin knew that the Allies would just send more, because they are interested in Greece. This time, as Stalin has no allies, I assume he would go all in, securing Greece for himself

  • @mappingshaman5280
    @mappingshaman5280 Před 5 měsíci +1

    What if archduke franz karl von hapsburg, the father of franz joseph died in 1820 and his father and brother too, leading to austria being inherited by napoleon II?

  • @pc_suffering6941
    @pc_suffering6941 Před měsícem

    It would've been possible if Poland didn't hate Soviet union guts

  • @kaungsintthar7529
    @kaungsintthar7529 Před 7 dny

    If that happens i think there will be no cold war

  • @Failman-xy6ge
    @Failman-xy6ge Před 5 měsíci +1

    Just a few things I disagree with personally
    1: Poland would likely lose all their Belarussian lands, as well as maybe some of west ukraine, due to soviet claims to the region and poland really having no capability to resist
    2: Slovakia has been bugging me this entire time, why did it not get carved up by hungary
    3: Yugoslavia would have to be invaded before Germany could get to greece, as a naval entrance would be expensive and unsafe compared to an extremely safe invasion of the unstable yugoslavia
    4: Since belarus and parts of western ukraine are given to russia, Lithuania excluding memel goes to them instead
    5: Bulgaria likely wouldn’t be directly given thessaloniki, at least not that early on. This is primarily due to it’s immense value to germany as a gateway to the aegean, and it is almost entirely greek so, unlike thrace, Bulgaria could likely struggle with keeping it in line

  • @thehuntsmansniper
    @thehuntsmansniper Před 5 měsíci

    I swear I saw someone comment “Is bro making a video about India or Poland” (it’s bc of his accent)

  • @Polish_Hussar_Productions
    @Polish_Hussar_Productions Před 5 měsíci +2

    As a Pole its epik

  • @JustJ_KK
    @JustJ_KK Před 5 měsíci +1

    Just watching it now was not there to watch it live

  • @CommunismEnjoyer
    @CommunismEnjoyer Před 5 měsíci +1

    You have accent like typical slav. I thought you are polish but I saw your channel's description

    • @rewriting-history
      @rewriting-history  Před 5 měsíci +1

      Yes I'm indeed Bulgarian. As for the accent, somehow people like it and want to listen to it, who would have guessed

  • @micahistory
    @micahistory Před 5 měsíci +1

    interesting scenario though seems a bit unrealistic

    • @rewriting-history
      @rewriting-history  Před 5 měsíci

      I hope that you still liked it! It's not that unrealistic, compared to my previous video. I did listen to the feedback I got, so I could improve

    • @micahistory
      @micahistory Před 5 měsíci

      alright, still a good video@@rewriting-history

  • @SANP76234
    @SANP76234 Před 5 měsíci

    Now what if china was more succesful during sino-soviet split influencing warsaw pact

  • @japsu5279
    @japsu5279 Před 5 měsíci +1

    1:26 lucky poland

  • @not_averge
    @not_averge Před měsícem

    Why dosen't Romania take land from Bulgaria and Hungary?

  • @ThePlanet_7
    @ThePlanet_7 Před měsícem

    Average 1939 Scenario on WC4:

  • @KainDestinedAscension
    @KainDestinedAscension Před 5 měsíci +1

    what if the sino soviet split never happened and the USSR never had Khrushchev

    • @rewriting-history
      @rewriting-history  Před 5 měsíci

      I had this idea for a long time in mind, should create a video in a month maybe on that

    • @KainDestinedAscension
      @KainDestinedAscension Před 5 měsíci

      @@rewriting-history I am a communist myself and I am curious on how history could have been different, though I do heavily criticise past socialist states as much as I praise their successes, I am interested in your take on this scenario!

  • @lljkgktudjlrsmygilug
    @lljkgktudjlrsmygilug Před 5 měsíci

    17:31 Please elaborate.

  • @zironthegamer
    @zironthegamer Před 5 měsíci +3

    Can you do a video on what if the soviet aided and establish Kurdish soviet socialist republic

    • @rewriting-history
      @rewriting-history  Před 5 měsíci +1

      Will save the idea, sounds good, maybe it would work as a short

    • @zironthegamer
      @zironthegamer Před 5 měsíci

      @@rewriting-history cool

    • @gengarzilla1685
      @gengarzilla1685 Před 5 měsíci

      This makes me think of how HOI4's Montreax Convention event chain can lead to war if the Turks and Soviets are both bullheaded enough.

  • @franciscojavierdelatorreba3554
    @franciscojavierdelatorreba3554 Před 5 měsíci +1

    What if yugoslavia was named memeslavia

  • @mininoble2253
    @mininoble2253 Před 3 měsíci

    I think a more realistic POD could be done much more simply, with the relatively desperate Poles accepting an overature by Stalin to defend the country, this proposal did not exist in real life to my knowledge, over the summer of 1939 when the Allie’s were telling the Poles they couldn’t mobilize because it might prevoke the Germans, likely creating fears that the western Allies would abandon them like Czechoslovakia or cripple them through blatantly foolish attempts to not provoke the Germans. Stalin would need to convince the government that he would abide by whatever deal they signed but, if he could do that stayed true to his word, the Poles may say yes. Or once the invasion had begun and with no other option they easily would have said yes assuming the terms weren’t incredibly severe. The most important thing in the minds of these politicians was the survival of the polish state. If any political change is needed instead of a full blown civil war just have the peasant uprisings be dealt with by political promises to include the sanitation left more heavily in government, this seems like it would have at least temporarily ended any problems with the farmers and created the environment where politicians might be more open to doing buisness with the Soviets. Having a full civil war may just mean that the Germans not only take Danzig but also just refuse to leave the Nationalist zone after they lose the civil war and annex it into the Reich, either meaning an early start to ww2 or the sacrifice of most of western Poland to the Germans.

  • @namejeff1693
    @namejeff1693 Před 5 měsíci +1

    I dont see how denmark would remain a part of the DDR

    • @rewriting-history
      @rewriting-history  Před 5 měsíci

      Most likely they won't. I assume the USSR would combine them, just because they wanted the DDR to be bigger in terms of size, compared to the Western German Alternative

  • @mappingshaman5280
    @mappingshaman5280 Před 5 měsíci +1

    I feel like you bent history too much in this video. A: the germans didnt want to go north, they wanted to go east and secure lebensraum and destroy bolshevism. Invading denmark and norway in otl was just a strategic move to prevent the british mining the sea between germany and sweden and so secure the german iron supply.
    B: by having the germans and poles avoid war you have crafted an entirely different scenario that causes the allies to peace out earlier.
    Imo a better way to approach this would be that a leftist government is peacefully put in power v in poland either because of a coup or democratic election due to soviet meddling. They choose to give up the east of poland in exchange for an alliance. Germany wanting to achieve lebensraum and crush bolshevism attacks the polish soviet alliance. The british desire to maintain the balance of power so they join on the soviet side. France wants to secure its borders by abolishing the german state so they also join.

  • @user-ev8gv1vs4r
    @user-ev8gv1vs4r Před 5 měsíci

    your scenario is very unlikely for several reasons...
    1. the allies (Britain and France) didn't see Germany as a threat at first. if Poland turned communist they would support Germany in a massive offensive against the Soviet Union and the USSR deemed a much greater threat then the Germans with their massive industry and population. it wouldn't be far from the idea of them aiding the germans either with supplies or direct military intervention against the Soviets. the british were far more inclined to accept a german request for aid against the red giant as they had promised help to any european nation threatened by the red giant after WW1.
    2. in the early stages of the war the USSR commanders were incompetent. (the experienced ones were killed in the great purge due to stalin's paranoia) and even if they did encircle east prussia. the Blitzkrieg tactic relies on encirclements and destruction of large groups of enemy troops. not to mention the soviet air doctrine was a disaster. they could take the corridor under heavy losses but insufficient air support and the poor state the red army was in at the time will only get them counter encircled in Posnan and pushed into the sea by the Germans. not to mention a major offensive from east prussia to slovakia will encircle the entire front line and crush the main soviet force allowing the germans to steamrolls most of the soviet army until it reorganizes in the winter just as they had done in the Maginot line.
    3. even if this scenario plays out as you described as churchill being elected, mobilizing so soon after losing a war and peacing out is political suicide and is bound to launch the UK into a civil war. as for the US. it will prefer the Germans over the Soviets as long as the Germans don't join the Japanese after the US declared war for pearl harbor.
    in conclusion with the German army focused on one major front. while the soviets have the north against Finland (yes the continuation war is still a thing) and central european theatre against the Germans,Hungarian,Bulgarians,Spanish and French Volunteers,as well as Romanian revolutionaries as Romania was overwhelmingly split at the time between fascism and communism which will make them a ridiculously terrible ally. the Soviets stand no chance and will just get steamrolled. Germany lost a lost during it's war over britain which didn't happen in your universe meaning they could use all that lost equipment against the soviets in the east.

  • @BudokaiMan-mr9tw
    @BudokaiMan-mr9tw Před 5 měsíci

    So it ends literally the exact same way.... Great.

    • @rewriting-history
      @rewriting-history  Před 5 měsíci

      Not at all, what do you mean? Most of Europe is not under communist influence, meaning the USSR is in a weaker position. Communist China might not form, Vietnam and Korea will be united and democratic, and etc. This scenario changes a lot in terms of politics

  • @y.r._
    @y.r._ Před 5 měsíci

    The USSR did not have ANY offensive capabilities in 1941. The idea that they would take all of prussia over within just one major offensive is laughable.

  • @Manetho76
    @Manetho76 Před 5 měsíci

    I don't think Germany would declare war on the USA in this scenario, the declaration of war against the USA was due to long term uboot warfare and a worse situation than in this scenario "military history visualized" has a great 7 minute video on that

    • @Counterfactualy_no
      @Counterfactualy_no Před 5 měsíci

      I think they would still declare war, the Germans hated the Americans either way and Hitler was kinda full of himself

  • @Piotrek2131
    @Piotrek2131 Před 18 dny

    It is a better ending ngl

  • @yoyo93103
    @yoyo93103 Před 5 měsíci +1

    even in this timeline kalilingrad is part of russia

  • @DavidRusu1919
    @DavidRusu1919 Před 5 měsíci +1

    Romania wouldn't just fucking leave transilvania, wallachia and dobruja, we would have fought

    • @rewriting-history
      @rewriting-history  Před 5 měsíci

      I assume that if they kept fighting and not dug in, they could risk being overran, since the Soviets and the Poles were far away and couldn't support them. After all, in this scenario, Romania was pushed from Yugoslavia easily, so the Germans could have kept pushing.

    • @DavidRusu1919
      @DavidRusu1919 Před 5 měsíci

      @@rewriting-history Also, It would be time for the Soviets to send divisions, because germany would first have to occupy the remaning serbia, and romania would be hard to invade because of it's geography, and oil reserves

    • @buzter8135
      @buzter8135 Před 5 měsíci

      Ultra-nationalist, opinion discarded.

    • @DavidRusu1919
      @DavidRusu1919 Před 5 měsíci

      @@buzter8135 Ultra-realist* non opinion🤦‍♂️

    • @buzter8135
      @buzter8135 Před 5 měsíci

      @@DavidRusu1919 Not a real term+monarchist+former communist+top poorest in Europe+Andrew Tate+no bitches+you fell off+cope+seethe+mald

  • @ptopds
    @ptopds Před 5 měsíci

    Interesting scenario, there's some things I personally disagree with particularly about Romania:
    Romania's geographical state is quite interesting especially since the Carpathian Mountains could've played a massive role in DELAYING German advancement, not stopping. Romania also had a lot of oil so it wouldn't really abandon Wallachia easily considering it would basically hand the Axis its oil if they do retreat. Communism was also not a popular ideology in Romania back then, the PCR was the least popular party and only emerged after the Second World War. To think Romania would collaborate with a state that the government portraits as the devil is quite off point, however I assume maybe the Soviets here promised to remove its claims on Bessarabia and Bukovina? Either way, forgive my rambling, this video just focuses on Poland 😂

    • @KedAR_48
      @KedAR_48 Před 5 měsíci

      Romanian army was quite shitty at the time tough, so I believe they couldn't hold Wallachia. They did buy their allies some time after all, and maybe Romanians just sabotaged their oil rafineries before retreating. 🤔 I do doubt, if USSR would tolerate monarchist country as their close lesser ally, but I can believe, that resigning from Besarabia and Bukovina, as well as guaranteeing their territorial integrity could make Romanians ally with the Comintern.

    • @ptopds
      @ptopds Před 5 měsíci +1

      @KedAR_48 You are correct. The Romanian army was back then in the 1930s in a period of reform. Corruption between commanders was evident, which draws a similar outcome to the First World War, where we saw how Romania got destroyed after losing the battle of Turtucaia in Southern Dobruja.
      A thing worth analysing about Romania is that the Iron Guard led by Corneliu Zelea Codreanu could have revolted or taken over the country in this scenario if not properly taken care of.

    • @KedAR_48
      @KedAR_48 Před 5 měsíci

      @@ptopds They might have crated a collaborationist government in occupied Wallachia

    • @ptopds
      @ptopds Před 5 měsíci +1

      @KedAR_48 Most likely, however, when allying with the Soviets the Iron Guard might be triggered even more, as they absolutely despised King Carol II and further allying with the country they hated for being Communist might spark even more conflict and will see maybe a short rebellion like in our timeline on the streets of Bucharest, though in greater numbers. (For context: In our original timeline, after the ceding of Northern Transylvania, Bessarabia, North Bukovina, and Southern Dobruja, King Carol II abdicated in favour of Michael who was considered unexperienced by the Head of the Government: Marshal Ion Antonescu. Therefore as we know Michael stayed a figurehead whilst Antonescu had authority, during this time he collaborated with the Iron Guard to settle the National Legionary State which did not last long. The Legionaries led by Horia Sima following Codreanu's assassination in 1938, thirsty for power and realising they could rule the country under full rule decided whilst Antonescu was in Germany for a meeting, to rebel in the streets of Bucharest. Eventually, the rebellion died down following the intervention of the Romanian and German army. This caused Antonescu to revoke any cooperation with the Iron Guard and, therefore, a military dictatorship was in charge until August 23rd 1944.)

  • @Danderreichofficial
    @Danderreichofficial Před 5 měsíci

    i swear if i want to learn somthing all i need to work for is to look for somone with an indian accent and look at that!

  • @ekralj4316
    @ekralj4316 Před 5 měsíci +1

    Well this picture summons everything.Like it woud go this way.We helped you but our army is in your naction so an anexation is Next as a way of payment

    • @rewriting-history
      @rewriting-history  Před 5 měsíci +1

      I didn't want to make it this obvious, but you're close to what I came up with!

    • @ekralj4316
      @ekralj4316 Před 5 měsíci

      Now after whatching it I only think that polisch woud in Next five Years turn commune and not last as democracy.

    • @ekralj4316
      @ekralj4316 Před 5 měsíci

      And Coud I give you idea for video.What if three kindgoms allience was fighting entente in first world war.

  • @Metal_Overlord
    @Metal_Overlord Před 5 měsíci +2

    Why do you say democratic like it is the opposite of communist? Communist ≠ Dictatorship. Just as there are capitalist dictatorships, there are communist/socialist democracies.

    • @radkamerad
      @radkamerad Před 18 dny

      Simple. He is brainwashed by Capitalist propaganda

  • @sebskyYyy
    @sebskyYyy Před 5 měsíci

    if they did poland would be top 5 economies in europe

  • @agent_FBR
    @agent_FBR Před 5 měsíci +2

    What about scenario "If Ukraine stayed independent after WW1"? You mentioned this outcome in video about Moldova. WW2 would be very different, because Ukraine was mighty industrial power and even more stronger if Holodomor, repressions and mass migration never happened. The presence of Ukraine in one bloc or another significantly strengthens it. And sustained german-soviet alliance seems more realistic

    • @rewriting-history
      @rewriting-history  Před 5 měsíci

      Will save the idea, it sounds good to me and I have wanting to make a similar video on it too!

  • @takedasamurai238
    @takedasamurai238 Před 5 měsíci

    the ussr wouldnt help poland either, but..... germany would

  • @KiraiKatsuji
    @KiraiKatsuji Před 5 měsíci +3

    I don't like this timeline but i like it more that the Original Timeline, since Poland isn't as devastated and isn't as much of a minor Parter to the USSR

    • @saidblanco7696
      @saidblanco7696 Před 5 měsíci +3

      With the Soviets too I think, both wouldn't be so devastated after the war.
      So, in this timeline we get:
      -Overpowered USSR and Poland
      -Smaller USSR
      -Bigger and stronger Polen
      -More industrialized USSR and Poland
      -MUCH less devastated Europe (specially Poland, Germany, Hungary, Yugoslavia and the USSR)
      -Less casualties in all the war
      -More Jews
      -A greater Communist influence in the world (as they would have been seen as the winners against Nazism), but at the same time a lesser influence in Europe
      -No occupation of Iran?
      -Slower decolonization I think
      -Friendlier moustache Stalin
      -Japan would have been f*cked
      -Probably an earlier Soviet intervention in China
      -Repeat
      I honestly prefer this world even though it is very unrealistic. Less deaths, less suffering.

    • @KiraiKatsuji
      @KiraiKatsuji Před 5 měsíci +4

      @@saidblanco7696 Yes, it is very unrealistic but it is better for people living in this world

  • @inzyniertv9305
    @inzyniertv9305 Před 5 měsíci +4

    Russian history class be like

  • @CrazyyzaiiMB
    @CrazyyzaiiMB Před 5 měsíci +1

    I just thought about this what if and then I see this video😂

    • @rewriting-history
      @rewriting-history  Před 5 měsíci

      Did you like the video? Now it's out!

    • @CrazyyzaiiMB
      @CrazyyzaiiMB Před 5 měsíci

      ​@@rewriting-historyI'm not at home right now, but I'll let you know when I've watched it :)

    • @CrazyyzaiiMB
      @CrazyyzaiiMB Před 5 měsíci

      ​​@@rewriting-historythe video was very interesting and exciting!

  • @reytop5064
    @reytop5064 Před 5 měsíci +2

    The best and most based alternative timeline!

    • @rewriting-history
      @rewriting-history  Před 5 měsíci

      I'm glad you think like that and I'm glad that you liked it! Cheers mate!

  • @MajinTurles-ng2gy
    @MajinTurles-ng2gy Před 5 měsíci

    So a Communist Poland HOI4 Game 🤣

  • @kaungsintthar7529
    @kaungsintthar7529 Před 7 dny

    And USSR will not fall

  • @ChangeNameEdits
    @ChangeNameEdits Před 5 měsíci +1

    Woohoo

  • @FelidaeEnjoyer
    @FelidaeEnjoyer Před 5 měsíci +1

    Comment for algorithm

  • @olodinful
    @olodinful Před 5 měsíci

    I doubt that Comintern armies would be that successful at the start of the war. You mentioned Germany preparing for Barbarossa, but in the ended up as total stomp of the Germans. Polish army after the Civil war would be in the similar state with Soviet Red Army (if not worse since civil war ended just 2 years ago) there is no way they outperform Wehrmacht and take Danzig, same goes for Romanians - they wouldn't be that motivated to fight Axis similar to France until they capitulate (and most likely change sides). After that everything will be similar to original Eastern Front - Germany would occupy Poland and almost reach Moscow and/or Stalingrad and after that battle-hardened Red Army would begin counteroffensive. And after end of the war there is no way Poland and Romania wouldn't become "satellites" of USSR - their government would be unstable and majority of people would be very pro-communist seeing Red Army as liberators so in the end everything ends pretty similar to our timeline.

  • @matthewgreenwod9422
    @matthewgreenwod9422 Před 2 měsíci

    The soviets already had a defence pact with Poland, they disregarded it when they invaded alongside Germany.

  • @poalima6527
    @poalima6527 Před 5 měsíci

    are u russian❤

    • @rewriting-history
      @rewriting-history  Před 5 měsíci

      No, I'm from Bulgaria!

    • @poalima6527
      @poalima6527 Před 5 měsíci

      @@rewriting-history your english is so good 👍 and love your accent

  • @fabianrolewski172
    @fabianrolewski172 Před 5 měsíci +1

    Polish aproved👍

  • @MPhussarW
    @MPhussarW Před 3 měsíci

    I like big Poland Lithuania

  • @MAXIMIR-wf7ez
    @MAXIMIR-wf7ez Před 5 měsíci +1

    Видео не смотрел, но та Вселенная, где СССР защищает Польшу явно ненормальна

  • @hdufort
    @hdufort Před 5 měsíci +1

    The Soviets were absolutely not ready for anything in 1939, following the brutal Stalinist purges that left the Soviet army in complete disarray. The purge removed 75-80% of top military leaders (from marshalls to corp commanders). It also eliminated around 8% of the lower rank officers. By 1938, the army was a collection of uncoordinated regional corps. It had no generals with any experience coordinating ground troops and tanks, for instance, and the navy was crippled.

  • @fnfal47
    @fnfal47 Před 5 měsíci

    USSR According to Polish Communists: