Why didn't the Allies declare war on the USSR when they invaded Poland?
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The Popular Front and Central Europe: The Dilemmas of French Impotence 1918-1940
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''Poland had a feeling they were betrayed by their western allies.''
Czechoslovakia: ''First time?''
At least they weren't like Germany's allies in world war 1. All Germany's allies did was get fucked by their enemies and held them back. And Germany took all the punishment when their allies who started the damn war got off easy. I don't blame Germany for wanting revenge on the allies.
Except all those that fell under the soviet boot.... so basically that leaves only Italy..
@@aizuuya Well technically the Austrohungarian empire lost shit ton of territory to newly independent countries.
@Min Tin I'm sorry, but WHAT?! I hope you have something to back up that statement, depending on if you do, it will either be very interesting statement, or very stupid one.
@Krzysztof Bartczak Fair enough, although I'd hesitate to call that betrayal (more of a let down, or something similar to that). Betrayal would be if England would go directly against Poland (for example like when Czechoslovakia was betrayed by France, which had a pact with Czechoslovakia to aid it in case of german agression, and yet when it came down to it, not only they didn't meet their part of agreement, they also said to Czechoslovakia to meet Germany's demands, or they'll be on Germany's side).
France and Britain were like "we can't be punished for breaking our treaty with Poland if there's no Poland..."
This...
WW2 era problems require WW2 era solutions
@@ammarbadawi3666 Exactly! I am sorry for diverging, but so many people use modern standards to judge mistakes of the past. If one were to be a German citizen duri g the Weimar Republic era, it was horrible, and after the Great Depression hit, it was radicals who seemed the most attractive choices for a government, and thus the Nazis were elected into power, and through Hitler's manipulations, he became the dictator of Nazi Germany. To think that people are saying that the German people should've known better then to elect a warmongering tyrant are simply ignorant of the dire circumstances the German people were in in the 1920s. Hitler didn't initially appear as a 'bloodthirsty demon'; he was a man who knew the pain and anger of his people and used that to his advantage by promising them massive changes that will pull them out of the abyss. The people were hurt, and therefore they turned to someone who promised he could heal those wounds.
@@ammarbadawi3666 Sorry, preaching.
How exactly did Britain break its Agreement (it wasn't actually a Treaty) with Poland?
Hey kids,never sign alliance treaty with France or UK.
But but but but but but I am the UK
Hannibal Barca - Or at least the France and UK of the 1930s. I don't think we can take for granted that France or the UK would desert their allies today.
@@hughmungus1767 lol ofc they would. Everybody protects their interests first never forget that. They abandoned Poland because it was not in their interest to go to war with both Germans and Russians. Honestly if Russians didint have that idiot Stalin they would probably be in EU today. They were always on the side of Allies in both wars.
@@saellenx3528 Hmmm just like Engerland then
Trust Scotland never the english
@@alastaircrouch7469 trust nobody. Swiss is doing it the right way. Good with all sides and use everyone.
The following represents the meaning of the colors of the Polish flag:
White: Honor and God
Red: Sacrifice and Sovereignty
Blue: Reliable and Loyal Allies
thats russian flag
@@racelkatyusha403 r/whoosh
@@racelkatyusha403 r/whoosh
ettenme barrientos r/wooooosh
In this case, sadly it was French flag.
France fell so fast that a historian has to repeat the same content twice to fit the 10-minute monetisation.
I just hate these comments, remember denmark? Yeah that fell in 6 hours.
@@abdokorib8898 and Zanzibar fell in about 45 minutes... what's your point? Denmark and France are not comparable. France was a global power at the time. Denmark was not.
@@grantm6933 but why the paris memes? It doesn't make sence and yes i know because the german armor broke through the ardennes
@@abdokorib8898 The difference is France is a lot larger than Denmark. Also The Danish army was small at the time.
@@clonecommanderrex8542 i guess you're right
Poland: are you guys gonna help?
Allies: well yes but actually no
Poland: OK, we remembered that
Poland: are you guys gonna help?
Rest of the world just looks away.
Poland: Let's just remember Britain and France.
@@jauntyangle5667 britain and France were allied to Poland
@@paweandonisgawralidisdobrz2522 Is that why Poland took part of Czechoslovakia along with Germany? Poland wouldn't even exist without France and the UK. Had France and the UK not declared war on Germany, you would have a point. but they did: At the cost of France and the British Empire.
@@jauntyangle5667
1annexation of Zaolzie is a different issue
2 Poland declared independace in 1918 regardless of any french or british action for polish independence. The british prime minister said to Ignacy Jan Paderewski (polish diplomat) that "there is no hope for independence of your homeland". Making it clear that during ww1 Britain had no intesion of helping. The closest would be the blue army created in france out of polish imigrants. However they neither participated in negotiations with the axis, nor did they arrive in Poland before it declared independence.
3 in ww2 Britain and France showed no intension of defending Poland at the begging of the war france halted their advance taking only a few villages, and then they just waited, instead of attacking germany in the back while they were occupied with Poland wich proved to be a fatal mistake for France.
After the war Poland was given up to stalin by Brits. poles were not invited for the victory parade as well wich makes you think what happened to those soldiers that were in britain at that time....
There's a scene in the film The Pianist that I think really highlights how the Poles were feeling in this situation. Germany had just invaded and a family is sitting around the radio and listen to the broadcaster say " Britian and France have now just declared war on Germany. Poland is no longer alone". The family then celebrates and has a toast for the allies but it immediately jumps to when the Germans had already occupied their city and all hope in the allies is lost
Awesome flic
My favorite movie ❤
Politicians have two things in common...ONE; they never remember their promises. TWO; They...uh... can't remember the other thing.
I feel like someone is gonna be whooshed here. So if that happens show me in the picture too.
I have had several Polish friends remind me of this at different times in my life. I think they really teach this in Poland.
Is that surprising?
They teach history in poland ? Wow holy
@@cosminalin2190 I mean, they could follow your example, but why go down a path so well trod?
One of my Polish friends told be that Poland defeated Germany in WWII. I tuned out after that.
@@gtimes2 Yeah, I get that too when my German and Russian friends tell me that Poland started WWII.
Insane how ive actually never even thought about this... great video
Neither did I until 3 weeks ago.
Yep, considering that the entire pretext of the second world war was maintaining the territorial integrity of Poland, it kind of makes world war II look like a joke. With a lot of post-hoc rationalizations that had nothing to do with the start of the war.
@@gregorymalchuk272 Its not really ad hoc, British intelligence had a pretty good account of the Soviet OOB (order of battle, a list of its entire forces) and had fought unsuccessfully against the Soviets in 1919. The reason they didnt fight the Soviets over Poland is extremely simple....they couldnt. The Allied forces suffered from a hell of a lot of command issues, supply issues, manpower issues, and equipment issues. On paper, the Soviets outnumbered the Axis AND the Allies combined by a considerable margin and no one yet knew how they would fight. The Winter War had not happened yet. Its pretty hard to take the ONE armored division the British had, and the armored brigades of the French, and take on a nation that on paper, had some 11,000 tanks.
It was pragmatic, not political. Any war minister of the allied nations could read an intelligence report that detailed the Soviet forces and think "Fuck a bunch of that, sorry Poland, you're screwed."
Not to mention, Uboats were extremely successfully in the opening months of the war.
How do you even get troops to the USSR? After the last time the British did anything like that, Gallipoli was the result....modern landing craft hadnt even been invented in 1939. What were the allies going to do, brave the Baltic sea without air support praying Uboats didnt sink them, roll up to Leningrad and hop off?
Its pretty ridiculous to consider that the Brits did anything wrong or that WW2 was a joke because the allies looked at a 1.5 million man German army, and a 3.5 million man Soviet army, and thought "nah, one giant fight is enough". The French had less than 20 mobile divisions (ones that could you know, move at all) while the Brits had 9. One armored division and eight infantry divisions. Against the Soviets 115 divisions at the time.
Thats literally suicidal.
@@ChaplainBobWalkerBTh Nice shill. Are you sure you're not Jewish yourself? Gevalt. You're ranting and raving about monied interest, while shilling for someone elses book, and trying to sell your own shit on CZcams. You might want to look in a mirror my man before casting stones at other people out there try'n to grind up some shekels to buy some pants and smokes.
Dude Frank Britton is a fucking moron, and those books are so riddled with simple factual errors that theyre laughable to anyone who isnt 16 or totally brainwashed.
That's by design.
Best part of it is that we (im from Poland) dont have anything against allies not declaring war on USSR. Allies didnt even helped us with Germans, they were passive at their borders (probably thats why Stalin gave us 19 days more to defend, he was afraid to declare war on France and britain by this move.)
For the same reason that America is fighting all over the world for human right but is the best friend of Saudi Arabia.
Hypocrisy, and shameless imperialism, they violate all laws but you're a criminal when you do the same, they also would betray you if it's in their profit even if you were an ally. A rogue and rubbish state that owes so much war to the bank, just like the British Empire was, and still is, sold to the bank since the whole battle of Waterloo treachery.
I wonder how they get away with all their war crimes :/
@@stalk3r905 Powerful military and sustainability in ignoring their crimes and focusing on business instead, for now.
@@stalk3r905 Their president even got the Nobel Prize of Peace in 2009, this is hilarous
@@aeralu4986 remember obama got nobel prize after doing a coup in Honduras.
This led to drug cartels takeover in that country.
Ask why?
Because Honduran president wanted to turn US base into airport and kick is troops out
Noted: don’t be allied to the British and French
But you were happy when France helped you against England, during your independance war !!
They promised to protect czechoslovakia too.
@@evzenvarga9707 we Lost 1,6 millions of mens 20 years before. We didn't want another war
@@erwansabatie1490 so why you even declare shits like this? Act of betrayal
@@erwansabatie1490 i aint no Yankees
britain and france:we will protect you
Germany:*invades poland
britain and france :stop there buckaroo
Ussr:*invades poland
britain and france :i am gonna pretend i did nt see that
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@Plamen Stoev 500k soldiers? When? How? A frontal attack on the Siegfried Line? The western German border was well protected.
@@TheArklyte why do you say polish were morons?
@@casteddu6740
1)affinity to political suicide;
2)affinity to military suicide;
3)affinity to drive away any potential allies;
4)affinity to backstab existing allies.
You have another opinion on how we should call those? Or maybe poles had finally gotten over at least a half of them?;)
@@TheArklyte it was just my curiosity
From your comment I through you were implying Poland declared war to Germany and Russia
@@nimmcymeow envy in silence:P
I mean, it was pretty clear from day one that it never was about protecting polish independance but just to prevent germany from growing too strong
Nice video documentary host, thank you for sharing. Some new historical discovery highlights, well done.
0:06 That map is wrong, Germany invaded Czechoslovakia and owned Bohemia before they attacked Poland. In the map, the correct boarders of Germany at the time are wrong.
Ryack 63 Bohemia and Moravia was a Reichkommisariat?
loi nuoi They were still governed by Germany, with effectively zero national sovereignty, where as a puppet like Slovakia was given at least a little national sovereignty by Germany. Slovakia should probably be counted in the map too because German and Slovak soldiers attacked from Slovakia into Poland
While the protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia was was established by Germany it was never incorporated into the German Empire and wasn’t a part of Germany back then.
@@loinuoi5314 No, the Sudetenland was part of proper Germany (Großdeutsches Reich), the rest of Czechia came under the protectorate Bohemia and Moravia
GermanSoldier45 The German empire? We are talking about 1939 here not 1918. But I think I know what you’re saying. But in many maps Reichkommisariats are counted as part of Germany in Poland’s case later in the war. I think they should be counted because they were essentially at war as puppet states for Germany
Last time I was this early, USSR still existed.
You have to change your schedule my friend
@The Comfy Chair u got r/wooosh
@The Comfy Chair you just r/woooshed yourself
z1z0 I think he was joking
@@vritngh now this really is a r/whooosh moment
Thinking Hitler and Stalin could have had a stronger alliance shows a fundamental misunderstanding of both "men".
Hitler was a reverse trap confirmed
Hitler did offer a alliance against Britain, with stalin, he refused, that pissed hitler off.
@@TheChosen2030 source?
@@TheChosen2030 if I recall, Stalin wanted to appease Hitler as much as possible and even tried to get the USSR to join the Axis. Japan was onboard, Hitler was not and rejected that idea.
Stalin was then surprised when Germany attacked the USSR. So surprised he decided to take a vacation for a week. He was really surprised Germany attacked even though Hitler opened stated how much he hated Communism and the Slavs. Stalin was so surprised Germany attacked even though German defectors, American and British intelligence and his own spies informed him about Operation Barbarossa.
This man was so in denial and thought he wouldn't be attacked that he purged his army. Why? Stalin correctly figured Germany couldn't fight a two front war so he was surprised a fellow dictator was stupid enough to try it
Stalin wanted to make an alliance with the west against Hitler, but the west declined. This is why Stalin had no other choice but to appease Hitler for a few years
Answer:
1. Double standard
2. Hypocrite
3. Afraid of Russia
the real Game of Thrones...
Reporter: So Herr Hitler, what occupation do you have?
Hitler: Poland.
Yes....also soviet union
@@prussiancrusader9469 Yeah, but you went too far in stalingrad and kursk and you got fired from your russian occupation
@abuaimen28 glad to have make it.
@@diegomurua4798 Soviet was lucky, snow help them.
France, Norway, Belgium, Netherland: "Am I a joke to you?"
Britain to Poland: We don’t want to get our asses kicked by two opponents in Poland. We’ll wait a few months and get our asses kicked by one opponent in Belgium and France.
I love your channel keep up the great stuff
Poland: *dying” Help me guys.
France and UK: We don’t do that here.
The only two countries in the world to join Poland and yet you blame them?
Tell me exactly what they did for us. Because all I can recall is them sitting on their asses as we bled, stalling the Germans for an attack that would never come. Or do you mean them selling out the entirety of Eastern Europe and Poland to Communism after the war, for decades?
@@redacted3557 I don't know if France and the UK were in a position to attack Germany in '39. I would suggest that the way the German army rolled through Poland and France in a matter of weeks that an attack would have been better than waiting/preparing. I would also suggest that France would have had to lead any land attack because they had a far bigger army, and they were your ally from 1815. What they both did for Poland however was enter a war where the rest of the world just sat back and watched. The cost Britain it's empire and made the US the most powerful country in the world. If you have an issue with eastern Europe going communist, then why are you blaming the two countries that were just as fucked as Poland in '45? It says something about Poland that the you only blame the two countries that sided with you in '39.
Rest of the World: Fuck Poland!
France and the UK: How about some consideration Poland?
Poland: We don't do that here!
Chief, if the Allies actually went balls deep and struck hard at Germany's Western Flank while the Wehrmacht was focused on Poland, they would've had major success. In fact, the French refused to even bombard the German positions for the fear the Germans might shoot back. Cowardice at its best. Instead they sat back while we stalled for them. As far as Communism, the Western Powers left us again. We fought and bled for our independence, but when it came due for the Democracies to grant us that, they instead left us for dead, behind the Iron Curtain. I'd rather prefer someone ignoring my nation than backstabbing it.
@@redacted3557 So France and Britain goes balls deep against Germany, all three get fucked and then Russia steamrollers over the whole of Europe. I see. There was only one country that had the A-bomb to stop Russia in '45. That would have meant WW3. Where does the "backstabbing" come into it? If Poland feels better without the west, then did it join NATO and the EU?
Germany : invades Poland
The allies : declares war on Germany
USSR : also invades Poland
The allies : I'm gonna pretend i didn't see that
you want the Nazi Germany would take the Eastern Poland, so the USSR would have less territory in case of the Nazist invasion (which happened just 2 years after)!???
@@ussrwrestling what
@@smally7505 you have no clue. poland got those russian lands after ww1 and during russian civil war , those were not polish lands anyway. also as he said , stalin pushed border further west and that saved moscow in 1941. if hitler started from original polish border he would have been 250km closer.
also nice from polish to pretend to be naive little girl , they had cooperated with hitler in partitioning of czech republic and took par of czechzoslovakia earlier.
@@Zeroni82" poland got Russian lands " those lands although not completely polish were definitely not Russian
Allies: Yeah, let's not declare war on two superpowers at once.
Axis: Dude, we HAVE to declare war on the superpowers. Yes, all of them!
Question of this video is just absolutely brilliant I never thought of this
As General Patton once said: „We may have been fighting the wrong enemy all along.“
and that probably quickened his unfortunate demise...
One of his many idiotic statement
Patton is dum@ and overrated commander. Whom would americans fought in case when Japan and Germany already declared war on the US?
That and a few other statements like it were probably what got him killed.
@@dsfs17987 Just about to write the same. Beware of the many WOKE "sozialistich" agents propaganding their "progressive" vomit
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lol, i think reconquest might be a casus belli, or imperialism/nationalism if they have the tech for it
Oof
Agressieve Expansion + 48
Omg I was thinking this last night
"Why allies didnt declare war to ussr"
Kısaca yemedi
Because they was in war with a very strong country, Germany !!
@@erwansabatie1490 it didn't have to be strong - in 1933 it was clear what's going on. French Army wasn't such vulnerable like it was in 1939 (it was unarmed and not mobilised, also that's the true reason why they've lost French Campaign (not due to a ,,Blitzkrieg" (Wehrmacht wasn't that Mechanised as German propaganda was saying), but because French Army was too weak. But don't worry French - it's not fault of your actually pro-war soldiers, French public opinion, or government - it was because of strikes made by French Communists)), and Poland wasn't that weak either. In 1933 French government has got a secret proposal from Polish Head of State, Mar. Joseph Piłsudski. Specifically: strike now with Polish help, either with or without England. Germany in those times was at the peak of weakness, and France - at the peak of strength. Polish Army, however, had soldiers with the biggest amount of morale. And either Poles, and French had the same approach to Germans (OK, Poles didn't like Germans a little bit more). Today this kind of clash would be like allied Poland and Russia attacking Lithuania. I bet you know who would win.
But French didn't agree to do this. Why? I don't know.
@@gorbo-dk2fu yorum tutmuş burdan sana öpücük yolluuorum
In ww1 and ww2 soviet ally with entante triple, so why must attk them?
Britain declared war to German because of Poland, and after World war II , Poland has been given to URSS. Big hipocrisy!
Every country follows its interests. There is no friendship in policy
Júlio André Laranjo What do you mean, USSR is the one that saved entire Europe from nazism and liberated nazism from Poland, of course Stalin would want to keep it
@@userprecisealt4136 I didn´t mean that USSR has saved Europe. Far from it. I mean that England and France declared war to German because of the invasion in 1939. But in the end, in Potsdam conference, Poland came under soviet power. And Poland suffered a lot under soviet hands. Ask this to any polish.
Júlio André Laranjo Poland also suffered a lot under nazism, and Soviets liberated them from it, they suffered 27 million casualties, makes sense for them to keep it, they did a sacrifice that no one else did
What an awesome topic!
Because declaring war on Germany wasn't about protecting Poland, it was about laying down some beat down on the Germans before they got too strong
Yep, It was a blood libel against Germans. Even Churchill admitted as much.
@I'm not flat, stop asking
The poles were in an unenviable position, but one that had nothing to do with the real reasons for taking Germany down a notch. As evidenced by the result of world war II: Poland and half of Europe under communist occupation for 50 years.
@I'm not flat, stop asking Vilnus, Zaolsie, Danzig. Pick an odd one out or stop being a hypocritical nationalist:P
@I'm not flat, stop asking right off the bat you're a liar, but that goes well with the story of world war 2 doesnt it
Fucking reasons . You are just playing petty pathetic words to evade the Bashers.
What Poland had was the equivalent of an insurance policy. When you go to file a claim, the company comes up with an excuse to deny it. I’m not saying the allies are as heartless as the insurance industry, but they seemed to share this in common
Poland was only needed to declare war. Why the hell would anyone go into world war against Germany in 1939 for POLAND??? Poland did the same shit to czechoslovakia…
@@kerim.s8801 And Czechoslovia they did the same shit Poland during the Polish-Soviet war!
@@kerim.s8801 history repeats itself, but now nobody wants to help ukraine
@@kerim.s8801 No it did not, and this so classic even just soviet apologia
The government, which is morally rejected now, was stupid and took advantage of the already progressed and west/ allies approved breakdown of CZ to demand annexation of a tiny polish speaking strip of land which was being assimilated to be Czech
That was
@@kerim.s8801 Because it is right is the answer, and because they resolved to be an ally at all times
The aggression and right to defend oneself from it aren’t excluded by choosing to participate in the fair accomplcinof division of Czechoslovakian for a tiny polish speaking region before, without armed codnxlir
Poland my precious home country:(
I’ve been asking this question for years. Thank you.
They didn't declare on the USSR for the same reason they did nothing to save Poland in the first place. Because their intention was never actually to protect Poland at all, it was just to use Poland as a sacrificial lamb to trigger a war with Germany. Same reason why the Allies pretended to support Finland during the Winter War only as an excuse for a planned invasion of Norway and Sweden with the real intention of cutting off steel exports to Germany.
Because USA is not that strong that time when nazi invaded poland The US forces only has estimated about 240k troops smaller than the polish armed forces itself
@Polish Hero Witold Pilecki the germans were organised by the nazi regime and thats my point USA is a sleeping giant that time thats why brits and french have no Chance to react or take immediate action because its too risky not a betrayal for me just my opinion
@Polish Hero Witold Pilecki The fault for the Polish conflict lies with France and England entirely. By taking large pieces of land from Germany and giving it to Poland, which before WWI did not even exist as a separate state, they are responsible for creating a problem in that area. Because they wanted to provide the new state of Poland with a connection to the sea, they took land from Germany and gave it to Poland, in the process cutting off East Prussia from the bulk of Germany. This did not sit well with Germany, who as we all know wanted to unite all Germans in one state. This is not new, because this is why the separate German states formed the empire before. Germany fist asked for a corridor, but this was refused by Poland who with the promises of help from both England and France basically had a free ticket to pick a fight. England and France could have foreseen that Germany wanted back what used to be theirs. They helped to create the problem. Maybe on purpose. A war with the Soviets was never on the agenda, so no actions there.
As a great number of Germans supported the Nazi party, is remains to be seen how many actually were real Nazi's. Do not forget that in the thirties Germany was doing extremely well compared to other countries who were suffering under the depression. Germany was flourishing. That fact, years of propaganda and later also peer pressure or compulsory membership makes a lot of supporters. That does not mean they are Nazi trough and through. What definitely has left its mark is the American re-education of Germany, the destruction of any 'unwanted' way of thinking and the instilment of the concept of ' common guilt' in the German people. The rest of the world seems to have copied this. The believe that the war was the common guilt of the German people as a whole. Which is ludicrous of course. But it is what a lot of people still believe and has been put there by the re-education program of the Americans. They destroyed more books than the Nazi's ever burned. So yes, Nazi instead of German.
@Polish Hero Witold Pilecki Hahahahahahahahahaha....a lie? hahahahahahahaha...google is your friend. hahahahahahahaha. If laughter is healthy, you have made me a lot healthier today. Read the right history my friend. Look for maps of Europe of about 1914. Where is Poland? it does not exist. Over a 100 years ago....that is how many generations?
There was a conflict with Poland and Germany took military action to take back what they thought was theirs. France and England decided to make it into a war. Before, they kind of had a thin case against Germany, because it were regions where Germans lived they wanted. France wanted a chance to humiliate Germany again for sure.
If Germany wanted all of Poland, why did they divide it between them and the Soviets? I suggest you read less propaganda and more history.
Lastly, you can disagree with someone, but calling them a liar over and over again disqualifies you as serious discussion partner. So type more pages of comment. They will be a wast of effort.
@Polish Hero Witold Pilecki You are clearly deluded. Not only you cannot read, you come with questionable sources. Anyone can edit a wiki page. There is much rubbish on wiki. You say I said things I did not say. You clearly cannot read, you are a moron. Your reasoning -especially at the end of your rant- is more than ridiculous. You obviously suffer from some sort of national pride or related bias/blind hate and try to sell the old bullshit like lebensraum. I'm not going in discussion with idiots. Rant away.
George Kennan answered the question: Together Germany and Russia could not be defeated at all.
Bsje Jsje - I think the most horrifying thing is that Stalin actually said the following to his daughter after the Germans invaded the Soviet Union: "It's a shame the Germans invaded us. TOGETHER, WE COULD HAVE REALLY DONE SOME THINGS". My blood curdles at the thought of what they might have done together if Hitler had been more pragmatic and decided that the Slavs and Communists weren't so bad after all....
yep, with this alliance Eurasia would be closed to anyone else.
This is what the British and the US feared, if the Eurasian Great Powers combined their might instead fighting each other.
@@hughmungus1767 It' quite easy to guess. It would have created an invincible alliance between the Third Reich and the Soviet Union against which no power in the world could have dared to contradict anything at all. This was the train of thought Stalin was thinking. But history knows ifs....
Another silly What If scenario. Hitler had as much hatred for the Russians as he did for the Jews.
Kevin MacLeod - Theme heard it in the background and i grew a beard just listening to the full song. great work
1:08 actually reason for "feeling being betrayed" was not that they didn't declare war on Russia. The reason was that they were slow to declare war on Germany and even after the declaration they didn't actually started the war.
As a Pole, I would like to say that the losses suffered by Poland during WWII were a profitable price for defeating the Germans. But the fact that the Allies were too weak at the end of the war to make a condition of independence for Poland. What caused half a century of soviecki sajuz's occupation of Poland was a hit from which Poland has not recovered until today
One of my biggest issues with the Allied powers is that they were so transfixed on Germany that they were blind to see what the USSR was doing.
Tbf Germany did violate the Treaty of Versailles, and a lot of hatred towards Germany was still present from the Great War
Nazx 36 When you say shit like that you just look so ignorant to the war effort of countries that weren’t the US or the USSR. It wasn’t just their boys who were sent off and killed. They didn’t win the war alone. I hate people who revise history to make a quick point.
And to the OG, to say these countries weren’t aware of the USSR is also somewhat disingenuous. They were recognised as the lesser of two evils and once the war was won, the Cold War came almost immediately after. They weren’t blind - Germany was the closer and bigger problem, and if they hadn’t invaded the USSR, the USSR would never have been on the same side as the US, UK, FR, bc Stalin respected the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact until the very day Hitler violated it. It is said that Stalin was stunned for weeks after the Nazi betrayal, it took him a while to formulate his response.
@@PrototypeBobaFett A terrible and unfair treaty at that, we still be fighting wars 100 yrs today because of it. That abomination of a treaty didn't end no new wars, it just created new ones.
They weren't blind to it, it was merely impossible to fight both the USSR and Germany at the same time.
Which was?
The Soviet Union tried to form an anti-Nazi alliance with France and Britain but they all declined.
Why didn't Germany invade Lichnestein?
Lol.The next video is about this. How did you know? Are you a spy my friend?
@@Knowledgia I bet the answer because Germany can't find lichenstein on map xD
exposed lmao
Veritine Conquistador probably the same reason for Switzerland, geography and also it was so smal and unimportant
@@Knowledgia no, u must make why Germany so strongggg. Even triple cantante need u.s.a
i've legit always had this question and i thought i would never get the answer, thank you very much!
Nicely explained.
Fun fact. Today in Russia they say that they "Entered Poland" not "Invaded Poland". You see the difference. Word game as usual...Americans also bring Democracy hah.
They liberated half of Europe into poverty.
M and they stabilized the Middle East
Haha cheeky breeky stalker...
and in Japanese wikipedia, The "Nanjing massacre" is called the "Nanjing event"
The Polish campaign of the Red Army (September 17 - October 5, 1939), in Soviet historiography the liberation campaign of the Red Army, in modern historiography also the Soviet invasion of Poland
. direct translation from google translator of Russian Wikipedia
"They wanted Germany crushed." -My HS Euro history teacher when a classmate asked the same question. Just the way he said it made me never forget it.
He's right
And Germany deserved it, because Germany was planning to do worse to the rest of Europe. Look what they did to Poland, Warsaw, the Capital, was 85% destroyed by Germany.
@@SelfProclaimedEmperor You keep saying that in these comments yet all the evidence suggests that Germany had zero interest in changing the culture of western Europe.
@@jauntyangle5667 actually it's true becouse most of western europe was simmiliar to arian (is that how you spell it?) race. However all the other races (eastern Europe and balkans probably too) would have been brutally murdered
@@ghostplasma5590 A case must be made for Eastern Europe yes, but Hitler tried to make peace with Britain a dozen times after the war had started. He admired the British empire. I wouldn't call France an aryan country, yet he still installed the Vichy government after France's defeat, despite the draconian measures the French inflicted against Germany after WW1.
The Katyn forest massacre was a series of mass executions of nearly 22,000 Polish military officers and intelligentsia carried out by the Soviet Union, specifically the NKVD in April and May 1940.
And who did they blame for the massacre?
the soviet union confessed to murdering around 40,000 poles in katyn in 1991
@@bartoszszmig8187 Confessions of crimes committed by the USSR after 1986 cannot be considered valid. If you had then asked Gorbachev/Yelitsin: "Is it true that Stalin killed 1000000000000 people?" he would have said yes.
germans killed polish officers in 1941.
It's something Nazis made up, and now people believe it's real because Gorbachev said so.
Good question! Never thought to ask
I've been waiting on a documentary about this...great job!
they were scared to. the Allies couldnt handle Germany on their own, there wouldve been no chance of victory if the USSR also joined the axis.
stuka80 well worst case senario was Soviet drop from allies and remained neutral but there ideology clash a lot they would have never joined forces best would have been a neutrality pack not to mention Germany need Soviet Union Oil so Germany would have needed to invade anyway
@@bluestar7828 they would've joined forces actually...
IRL, in our own timeline, the USSR held negotiations with Germany and the Axis regarding becoming a fourth major power in the alliance (these were held in late 1940). Stalin and his government wanted the alliance, and asked in return only for a sphere of influence in the middle east (they wanted Persia and Iraq), military bases in Bulgaria (where Germany and Italy could also have bases), joint influence over Turkey with Germany, German troops removed from Finland (in exchange for a Soviet guarantee that Finland would not be annexed), and Japanese recognition of Soviet control over their disputed island territories (in exchange for proportional financial compensation to Japan). Von Ribbentrop and Hitler's foreign advisors loved this deal, and pushed him to accept it, seeing it as war winning (the Soviets would've launched a southward offensive against British colonies in the middle east, leaving the Suez trapped between two hostile forces and the British Raj in the same position). Ultimately the negotiations fell through not because of ideological differences or even neccesarily Hitler's desire for lebensraum, but because Stalin sent Hitler a letter warning him that Churchill was trying to convince the Soviet Union to go to war with Germany... (unintentionally) leading Hitler to believe that the only reason Britain hasn't surrendered yet as he planned was because the UK government expected the Soviets to support them... Hitler spun a conspiracy in his mind (as Nazis tend to do) that the Soviets were secretly in league with the British, and destroying them would lead to British surrender. Stalin didn't realize all this was happening, and kept waiting for his alliance offer to be accepted right up until operation Barbarossa was launched... which is why he was so utterly shocked that Germany was invading despite having had several of his agents abroad try to warn him it was coming.
In this scenario, Hitler never deludes himself in this way, because the UK and Soviets are already at war. Therefore the USSR joins the Axis and the Allies are completely and totally screwed. Mainland Eurasia and North Africa fall, the Reich and USSR have near endless resources to draw from, the largest land armies on earth, and an impenetrable industrial fortress in Europe. Even if the US entered the war it could not be won... at best it'd be a draw (the Axis not having the naval assets to invade the UK or cross the Atlantic, but the Allies not having the land power to invade Eurasia, or the capacity to sufficiently overtake the combined industrial capacity of the USSR and Axis... meaning air superiority would be complicated). WW2 ends with Axis domination over virtually all Eurasia bar the UK.
Eventually the Soviets and Nazis would win the race for ICBMs over the Americans (who were reliant on Nazi scientists in OTL and still lost to the USSR initially anyway) and the US and UK would be nuked into submission with ICBMs they themselves weren't even close to having. A cold war (which potentially turns hot) would then follow between the Soviet led communists and German led Fascists.
Here's more information on the Soviet Axis talks that occurred in our timeline...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German%E2%80%93Soviet_Axis_talks
stuka80
Germany or Russia didn't have the navy or the capability to build a navy to beat the two most powerful navies in the world. By 1945 70% of all ships on the water were American.
Britain and the US supplied 35% of all needed war materials to Russia. Without that support Russia would probably be defeated by the Germans.
Russia didn't have the fortitude to fight Germany and Japan at the same time so the US and Britain would be completely out reach for Russia.
@@CM-ve1bz this is sept 1939, the US isnt even in the picture. another thing is, Germany and Ussr alrdy got poland, it is up britain to kick them off it. germany and ussr dont need to beat britain. they just need to sit tight.
I disagree, the Army that was thrown at the Germans was of rather poor quality with low moral. It's only when Germany invaded and started actually threatening the soviet union's integrity and heartlands that the economy shifted to a total war economy with maaaaaasive subsidies from the allies which enabled it to grow into the bloated monstrosity that it was. A war of aggression is far harder to justify to your political opponents who would undoubtedly capitalize on the political faux pas. Would it have been an easy war? Not by any stretch of the imagination but it would have been a winnable one. Had it been the 1943 army attacking 1939 Poland, Germany, France and England, they would have steam rolled everything regardless.
I wonder if this movie is available, I mean not blocked, in Russia. By the way great piece of work, what graphic program are you using?
Beautiful synopsis, ended my ignorance on this important point of history.
Look into what happened right before WW2 32-38. The context witt pretty much flip everything on its head.
I’ve actually been thinking about this very question now for some time.
Ty for the upload.
Long wondered myself. The Pols were sold out after the war.
@Dillon Mcconnell what's that mean?
It means they were buried behind the ‘Iron Curtain!’ They did not get their sovereignty until the wall fell in 1989.
@StepOne
It has nothing to do with backstabbing. It was a fait accompli, there wasn't much they could do about it against the USSR, really.
@@mike.mentzer_enjoyer team up with the bad people then
Poles.
“Should we help Poland?”
“Wasn’t Poland partitioned a log time ago?”
Actually the documentary "Apocalpyse" can still be watched here on CZcams.
And yes I do agree that the documentary is really great for anyone who want to know life during that era. It is by far one of the most detailed and unbias documentary about the atrocities during the Second World War from both the Allied and Axis side.
I’ve always had this question, thanks for doing this video!
Surprisingly accurate, good job! I'll drop a few remarks from the Polish perspective:
You could've also mentioned the specifics of Pol-Fra treaty, which obliged France to begin military action against Germany in 3 days after the attack, and launch main offensive in two weeks. We can only speculate on what could happen if they did, but as you said, it could've been a good possibility for the allies, and there's a fair chance that the Soviets wouldn't even engage at that time.
Of course, as Poles we can blame ourselves a little bit too, for badly anticipating the allies reaction. The sole war declaration against Germany took them 3 days, under heavy diplomatic pression, so perhaps that could be predicted.
Anyway, nicely done :)
If France and UK defeat Germany in this time, there would be huge danger from USSR, because Germany by invading USSR very weakenend them. So years later there would be much bigger threat than Germany.
My understanding is that the french were not able to mobilise in two weeks. Say that if the french were able to mobilise, and attack the Germans : do you think that the Germans would have been forced to withdraw all their troops from Poland to face the french ?
THANKS GOD I dound the video to my questions I always wondered why allies didnt declare war thank you so much!
I never wondered this before and now im pissed for not wondering this before. Good question 🤔
They didn't declare war on ussr. Because if soviets join the axis the allies coudn't afford of such powerful armies if the two massive powers joined together
Fools and now Communist still a big problem and mess past mistakes is now torturing us.
They should declare war so no more Cold War or Communist you idiot. USA will come even Axis and Soviets Join together.
@Polish Hero Witold Pilecki yes if they really care they should already declared war when the Germany is making Armies and Air-Force since it was written in Treaties of Versailles no more than 100K Soldier's and Air-Force in Germany.
@Polish Hero Witold Pilecki Britain and France were in no position to go to war with the ussr and the third reich. Ussr and Germany outnumbered France and the UK multiple times and the US was still isolationist. Yes if Britain and France declared war on the ussr ww2 would end earlier but this time Germany would've won
@Polish Hero Witold Pilecki The rise of Hitler and nazism was meant as countermeasure to communism. Poland was considered as collateral damage. Had Germany chose not to invade France in 1940 and just push forward to the USSR there would be no Allied countries to fight the Third Reich. Both France and Britain would be quite happy with the defeat of the USSR and would readily sign treaty of peace with Hitler.
Iirc the Soviets wanted to ally with the Brits but they snubbed them so few days later they made a deal with the Germans.
And Poland was a NAZI ally and invade Czechoslovakia together, so they couldn't complain about being invaded by a larger country if they had just done the exact same thing.
@@sisyphusvasilias3943 if in your opinion Poland was allied with Germany u must be brain damaged. The fact that Poland took Zalozie is not equal to say that Poland was nazi ally. Taking Zalozie was a huge mistake from Polish diplomacy but Poland NEVER colaborate with Germans. Milions of Poles died fighting against them. Our goverment refused to colaborate and paid bloody price for that.
@@czowiekbezperspektyw4628 hahahah sure... So what word should I use when two countries negotiate and agree to join together and invade another country at the same time?
Poland was in negotiations for a permanent defence pact and there was a huge amount of pro NAZI Poles right up to the invasion.
I know you dont you like to hear it but it's a fact.
IT shouldnt be so hard to believe when even today Poland has one of the largest numbers of neoNazis for any European country.
@@sisyphusvasilias3943 you need to know definition of A L L Y
Człowiek Bez perspektyw lol
Allies: don't declare on ussr
HOI4: i built different.
you should mention about the bill Poland received from UK for helping them in the Battle of England for using their planes and fuel
It’s like when you are at a party, and there is a whole cake on the table, but no one wants to be the first to touch it. But then, someone grabs a slice, and you rush in to get your slice as well, before the whole cake is gone.
Britain: You should’ve stopped at Sudetenland
France: here, take Paris.
Thanks for your interesting videos, but you should focus more on the economic issues, wich are key drivers for war and invasions any time in history. This would give more originality and credibility to your analysis.
I've been wondering this for years
This always pissed me off. This and the allies selling out Poland, Hungary, and China
Internet dwellers getting offended by history, pathetic life
@@nobrang5146 I can be mad about a historical event and still have a good life
@@Yuhyuhmuhmuh I still wouldn't rage over history but instead learn from it
@@nobrang5146 I can't do both?
@@Yuhyuhmuhmuh ughhhhh maybe 😂
Last time i was this early, Poland used to be the *Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth* .
Last time I was this early lithuania was still a major power.
Normie
@Polish Hero Witold Pilecki and what? It still lithuanian city.
@Polish Hero Witold Pilecki and what? It doesnt matter that there were many polish gasterbeiters. This city was founded by lithuanians. The only right to take it was right of strongest. But you arent)
@Polish Hero Witold Pilecki who talked about lithuanian power? I talked about soviets and germans. They fu*cked you hard and took your lands with right of strongest. Just like you did it with lithuanians. And tell me, if germans would clean warsaw from polish mess and settle it with germans will it be rightfull german land by your logic?
Well done.
Good video; a little known fact is that after the invasion of France on 25 november of 1940 the Soviet Union offered to join the axis if a series of demands were met; Germany didn't respond, and we all know what happen next, but we were very close to a completely different world had the Germans and Soviets came to such agreement
"the invasion of France on 25 november of 1940" ?????
lol that would be insane, no eastern front fight assuming soviets would have given oil to their allies. at least on logical terms, ideologies can make people dumb.
Germany would never respond to the offer, and the Soviet Union knew this. It was a strategical move to make sure they would have to face them later in the war. In fact, when NATO was created after the war, the Soviet Union did the exact same move, and they were denied. Yes, NATO was created to fight the USSR
Nothing like that was ever going to happen Hitler's life mission was to defeat Russia, communism, and expand Germany to the east to gain 'living room' Lebensraum. The German Aryan "Übermensch", superior man, would then starve, kill or exile all Slavic people classified as Untermensch "sub humans", from Poland, Ukraine and Russia east to the Ural Mountains. It would be resettled by ethnic Germans the land Ukraine used to grow food, Russia the minerals and coal and the Caucuses oil to feed, build and fuel a Nazi German Empire that would last 1,000 years.
Hitler defeated Poland in 5 weeks, the UK/France in 6 weeks and planned to defeat Russia in Operation Barbarossa in a 4 month war before winter at the end of 1941. The German army was not equipped to fight a winter war in Russia and was still 20 miles from Moscow in December when the Russians counter attacked and defeated the German Army at the Battle of Moscow defeating Operation Barbarossa and Hitler's plans.
If Russia had been defeated or surrendered in 1941 Hitler would have won the war in Europe and the 3 million man German Army would prevent any UK?US allied invasions. Germany way ahead in jet and rocket technology could then have developed nuclear weapons' in line with the US and then used ballistic missiles to nuke the UK and US in the 1950's .
That's the " completely different world" that we would live in today if it wasn't for the Russian people. It was them and the 27 million who died that stopped Hitler.
Nice video
Thank you sir, and thanks for the email. I will see what I can do about the previous video.
Idiot . Such an Evasion Video.
Because the war wasn't to save Poland but to destroy the new rising power that was germany at the time. They therefore had no interest in attacking the USSR
BTW... if the mission was to destroy the rising power that is Germany, you failed. Germany eventually reunited again in 1990 and is rapidly becoming the strongest European power once again. As for Poland today, they are the most RIGHT WING government in Europe. Who won again in hindsight?
@@mobrule8219 USSR won. Marxism has poisoned Europe
@@CINAMASTER1 Karl Marx is a pen name like Mark Twain. Perhaps you should learn a thing or two about the actual history and players involved.
Because the Babylonians still rule... Chosen People of God they be.
@@mobrule8219 they allowed germany to be reunited dont forget that. On top of that the goal at the time was accomplished
The allies betrayed Poland and so the communism started.
So the Russians basically got a free pass
Invaded 3+ countries and no war declared on them
No wonder.....
Lmao, Poland never had communism, they had enforced Stalinism.
The US is not a defense treaty party with Poland.
@@valenrn8657 The allies means France & Great Britain. The US only entered the war 2 years after it started
@@dukedase7 Poland has a communist centrally planned economy.
In total, 31,000 km2 of land were nationalised in Poland and 5 million in the former German territories, out of which 12,000 km2 were redistributed to farmers and the rest remained in the hands of the government (Most of this was eventually used in the collectivization and creation of sovkhoz-like State Agricultural Farms "PGR"). However, the collectivization of Polish farming never reached the same extent as it did in the Soviet Union or other countries of the Eastern Bloc.[17]
Nationalisation began in 1944, with the pro-Soviet government taking over industries in the newly acquired territories along with the rest of the country. As nationalization was unpopular, the communists delayed the nationalization reform until 1946, when after the 3xTAK referendums they were fairly certain they had total control of the state and could deal a heavy blow to eventual public protests. Some semi-official nationalisation of various private enterprises had begun also in 1944. In 1946, all enterprises with over 50 employees were nationalised, with no compensation to Polish owners.[18]
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Your "Poland never had communism" argument is bullshit!
The french probably looked at a map of ussr and went away to have some baguettes
This simply proves the allies were coward .
@BigLBA1 was churchill not pro declaring war on the soviets after Germanys defeat?
Biglbai Churchill was not even Prime Minister in 1939
Or, just maybe, it would have been dumb for Britain and France to be at war with both Germany and the USSR, because those two powerful countries working together could easily dominate the continent, except maybe the British Isles?
Dutch did also nothing
@BigLBA1 Churchill never promised it.
The practical reason why is because they wouldn't have been able to beat both at the same time. In terms of diplomacy, the USSR had been the most hostile to the Nazis in the interwar period, suggesting pacts against them, being against their annexations, etc, while Britain and France looked the other way, or even actively signed treaties of friendship with the Nazis. Even the Polish did this. The Allies liked or at least tolerated the Nazis because they thought their wrath would be turned only on the Communists, and were willing to equip them as much as possible to deal with their arch enemy. So it would be kind of hypocritical for the Allies to turn down the USSR's offers of anti-Nazi co-operation repeatedly, and then when they finally give up and just take advantage of the situation, declare war on them.
it's still much easier. the Soviets brought in troops when the war had already been lost by Poland and Polish statehood was no longer available
Correct. I admire your knowledge on this topic. It's a relief after the amount of "USSR and Germany were allies" comments I found on Twitter
I never thought of that.
The Allies already knew they had their hands full with Germany, no way they could take on the USSR especially without the US (at the time)
Side note: not only did France not launch any meaningful attacks on Germany, it actually insisted that Britain not Bomb Germany because it might lead the Germans to bomb France.
In so many ways, the allies caused WWII to be so much worse by trying to avoid war.
It wasn't just the French, the British also refused to bomb anything except remote military bases, for fear of "damaging private property". It wasn't until the Germans bombed the hell out of London in the Battle of Britain that the British started to really bomb Germany.
LEFT4BASS - wasn't it great that Churchill sent a bomber squad to Berlin the eve he became PM? That certainly got an end to the Phony War after some civilian terror bombing for a while. How fortunate we got Churchill in charge or we would never have gotten any end to this Phony War?
@@elbuggo the Nazis started the first terror bombing by bombing residential districts in Warsaw.
@@SelfProclaimedEmperor - 1 Stuka? At least there was fighting going on there in the area. Where is the report?
just like the coronavirus shit in britain, they wanted avoid it so much :whatever it fucking means: in the end they now struggling, britons gonna be britons forever..
The Molotov Ribbentrop Pact. You said it in the beginning.
It's the reason no one came to Finlands aid either during Talvisota. They were afraid, not knowing the depth of the Pact, if they fought with Finland against Russia, Germany would join in, thinking they were allies of sorts. Oh, the moral support was everywhere, but that is not artillery, tanks, planes, guns nor bullets.
France actually could have attacked Germany because they had more divisions and tanks. And with the assistance of England, they could have truly hurt Germany early on. Then depending on Belgium and the Netherlands willingness to join in, with even Czechoslovakia coming up, Germany would have been crushed.
And if Hitler would have truly learned about how the Soviets fought during Talvisota, he never would have unleashed Operation Barbarossa. He thought that they were inferior, militarily, due to the time it took their war machine to win against tiny Finland. He learned the wrong lessons. Europe would have fallen and been one big Germany.
Poland:HELP THEY ARE INVADING ME!!
Allies:CHARGE!!!
Poland:YOU FORGOT SOVIET
Allies:Wait that country exists?
USSR:✌
actually there wasn't a charge, there was a small France offensive without fighting
There was only declaration
Great video , WW2 content is the best !
What happened to the first Romanian accent narrator? :(
He is doing the scripts, the animations and he is answering to you too :)
Oh thanks, I thought you had left the team of this channel 😅
@@andrescgomezp I started the channel, and I will work on it forever. It's not just a channel anymore. It's my life. Thanks for sticking up with me for so long! :)
Knowledgia we want you back!!
I am here, I am here
My Grandfather came from Poland when the USSR invaded. When he came to America through Ellis Island he signed up with the US Military and was put in a group called the Polish Falcons, flew back to Poland and fought against Stalin and his regime
"We've defeated the wrong enemy"
"Americans have destroyed in Europe the only sound country"
-George S. Patton
rip patton
He never said nazis are good...he said both Soviet union and nazis are bad...but he wanted to fight Soviet union....bcz Soviet union is more evil than nazi monsters
He's only saying that because he's white
@@TheKumarImpressions Yup!!!!!!! Exactly!!!!!!!!
This is a question that I have thought about for a few years. I was told that France and Britain didn’t want to expand who they were at war with.
It's even worse. After the war Stalin declared wanting to keep his "part" of Poland without any complaints by the "allies" so to compensate that lost part they just took German land
They were Ukrainian and Belarusian land, not Polish. The Polish government only stole it from the Soviet Union during the Russian civil war
@@themeerofkats8908 wich before was Polish and Lithuanian
@@ghostplasma5590 England used to be a part of the Roman Empire. I guess rightfully belongs to Italy
Listen, it was populated by Ukrainian and Belarusian people which the Polish government tried to ethnically clense after they annexed in the 1920s
@@themeerofkats8908 and it excuses Russians trying to clense Poland for over 100 years? And by calling my claims bullshit you just made your claims bullshit too. Becouse it appears it doesn's matter who had it first
@Poul Mortensen I am correct
5:14 When the Soviet Union attacked, the Polish ambassador in London requested help from Britain as soon as the Soviet Union attacked.
Wasn’t the Czech Republic Annexed by Germany before the invasion of Poland?
Annexed by Germany and Poland. Later and Hungary
@@Vlad79500 Poland took Polish populated lands. The size of it was like 1000 times smaller than the amounts taken by the Hungarians and Germans. The biggest difference is that Poland did not cooperate with Germany
@@filipkopec525
Are you serious?
@@Vlad79500 yes, that is all true
@@filipkopec525
"On 23 August, aboard the patria in the Bay of Kiel, where the fleet was maneuvering, Hitler entertained the regent of Hungary, Admiral Horthy, and members of the Hungarian government. If they want to be in time for the "Czech holiday," Hitler assured them, then they must hurry. "Anyone who wants to sit at the table," he said, "must help in the kitchen." Among the guests was the Italian Ambassador Bernardo Attolico. He began to elicit from Ribbentrop the exact date "when Germany will move to Czechoslovakia" so that Mussolini was ready for this, but the German Foreign Minister gave an evasive answer. Obviously, Germany did not fully trust her fascist ally. With Poland everything was very clear. During the summer, von Moltke, the ambassador in Warsaw, reported to Berlin that Poland would not only refuse to help Czechoslovakia and let Soviet troops and Soviet aircraft pass through its territory and airspace, but would also claim part of Czech territory - Tesin, as already stated Polish Foreign Minister Colonel Jozef Beck."
"To conclude an alliance with a country clearly opposed to Russia, and at the same time to split this country from Geneva and Paris, thus undermining the system of the Treaty of Versailles, Hitler in 1934 took the initiative to conclude a Polish-German treaty. In Germany, this step was not enthusiastic. He did not find support in the German army, which from the time of Seeckt had been pro-Russian and anti-Polish. But over time, this step was very useful to Hitler. Friendly relations with Poland helped him to re-occupy the Rhineland, destroy the independence of Austria and Czechoslovakia. These actions, which strengthened Germany, weakened the West, and increased the threat to the East, were viewed favorably by Beck and other colonels in Warsaw."
www.amazon.com/Rise-Fall-Third-Reich-History/dp/1451642598
Germany in WW2 is like watching somebody win in a casino and keeps going. You are allready telling him to stop after the first few wins, but he keeps winning more. However at the end of the day he walks out with nothing and you wonder why he didnt cash earlier.
swami dude 100% true
@Ben Mendolz Any preemptive Soviet attack on Germany would have been a disaster. Their officer Corps was decimated, most of Europe would have come to Germany's support, and Germany had been rearmjng for years. It probably would have ended like the First Soviet-Polish War.
I think the whole point of this non-measure was to have the Soviets on their side. The ability to open a second front against Germany was crucial to victory. Sucked for Poland though! For some reason Communist expansion was considered preferable to Nazi expansion.
As it should be?
Do u really think hitler would stop half way taking polish territory? Of course no. Also Russians would never allow germany taking all of poland and hitler knew it, so he took practical approach. Basically he went to stalin and said, poor poland believes in heavenly help, which is not coming, we are going to conquer them, but we dont want you to go nuts and start war with us, so lets agree on who gets what.
This may be bad for Poland, but not for Belarusians and Ukrainians of those times. (See Polish-Soviet War)
Ty i wonder about that sometimes
Your channel is really good. Thank you.
I need to know, what did you do that this popped in my REcommendation?
I just uploaded
@@Knowledgia No your video gets recommended because you promote a lie that somehow Britain's double standard in it's supposed "protection of Poland" excuse to declare war on Germany was based on secretive bureaucracy rather than the obvious fact that the butchering, plundering J3w maffia regime in Russia was obviously of the same character and "tribe" of people as the power over Britain. The J3w colonial power over Europe, Russia and Britain was looking for excuses to declare war on Germany which had gone "rogue" to their exploitative, criminal hegemony by freeing Germans from debt slavery, serfdom through the rise of the ethnic nationalists and their financial reforms and crackdown on exploitative, hostile, foreign, alien entities like J3wry and the establishment aristocracy and industry they control. CZcams is run by the same type of criminals so of course they'll promote your falsification of history.
The Apocalypse documentary series is really good in general. Their WW1 series is probably my favorite.
Mine too.
The only purpose why UK signed pact to support Poland in case of German aggression was to push Poland into the war first. Polish diplomacy believed that they can stay strong against Germans claims to polish land in late 30ties. UK got what they wanted. Hitler went to the east first. Later on UK was not better, even the polish soldiers fought to protect their country in a Battle of Britain, or when they shared secrets of Enigma.
UK betrayed Poland once again selling Poland to Stalin in Teheran and Yalta.
Poland was not even invited to Victory Parade in London in 1946.
Poland lost 6mln people in IIWW, almost 30% of population.
Lesson learned: never trust UK diplomacy. If they want good for you there is always something behind, what will not end up well.
The betrayal at the beginning was a precursor to the betrayal at the end, courtesy of WC & FDR, who were ashamed to tell Sikorski they were bailing.
When Britain and France have the two largest empires of the time and they say Germany is the 'evil' aggressor
Maybe it's because they are democracies and Germany wasn't but hey, welcome to the internet where basement dwellers act like professional historians
@@nobrang5146 I don't think having an empire and being a democracy makes you a-okay automatically. They got those colonies trough exploitation and slaughter of the natives. Most of the time anyway. I'm sure there's a few incidences where they didn't but regardless. Britain and France weren't the 'good guys' in some fairy tale because guess what? This is real life. There is a grey area between everything. Like how the U.S turned away thousands of Jews in the 1930's because they were Jews. There is no "Good vs Evil" in real life. But I do agree that the internet is a breeding ground for people that think like that
@@nobrang5146 A.H. was voted into his position.
France and britain been evil aggressors with empires, doesn't make germany less evil.
@@akhsdenlew1861 there is no evil. Evil is a concept in fairy tales and stories. No one is evil. No one is righteous. Everybody does wrongs. Adolf was voted into his position. That is a democracy